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Re: Supreme Court upholds late-term abortion ban
Posted by stayandjohn
Posted by dita
What if this happened:
What about a 13 year old who is raped by her father and not until the 2nd trimester does she come forward... should she have to have that baby who may suffer from birth defects????
In all actuality, how many abortions, be it 1st, 2nd or 3rd trimester, are because of rape or incest?
I'm sorry but I know way to many women who have had abortions as birth control, one woman had an abortion at 5 months (she has had 4 abortions, is that not a bit much?)....both she and her baby were fine. Unfortunately there are Dr's out there that will do PBA "willy nilly", sad to say but the almighty $ can get you anything
So your argument is that since some women use abortion as a form of birth control (which is a practice I don't agree with), all women should be prevented from having abortions? What about if the mother's or child's health is at risk? Based upon this Act, these women are also prohibited from having this type of abortion even if this procedure is less dangerous than other available procedures.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds late-term abortion ban
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As to the omission...the NYT article indicates that the vast majority of PBAs are on healthy women/babies....so all of the stock arguments don't apply to that situation. This is an earnest question and I really would appreciate a response....
This is based on one person's statement, and I honestly doubt the accuracy of it. Where is his statement coming from? Has he performed a study or examined medical records from thousands of these procedures? I doubt that.
If the mother and baby are healthy, I personally don't agree with an abortion after the first trimester. However, this Act makes no distinction between healthy mothers/babies and those whose health are at risk. It's a pure ban on the procedure. I have a problem with the fact that there's no health exception.
The statement comes from the Executive Director of a the National Coalition of Abortion Providers...so obviously, he is not spreading "pro life rhetoric" as some would like to believe.
Also, the ban that was upheld did contain a health exception:
"This subsection does not apply to a partial-birth abortion that is necessary to save the life of a mother whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself. "
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Re: Supreme Court upholds late-term abortion ban
Posted by Hi-Fi55
They start with the partial birth - which I may not feel is right but some may find necessary. Besides live births what are other late term alternatives?
Next they are going to take away all late term abortions and then what? Do they attack Roe vs. Wade?
It's easy to sit back and say - not me, not ever. But unless you are in that position, I don't think people truly know what they would do.
The government should stay out of my body.
I totally agree with you! I have a huge issue with 5 old men telling me what to do.
A situation that can affect ANY pregnant woman is blood clots. What should that woman do. Wait for the clot to travel to her lung and kill her and the baby? Use blood thinners and have them cross the placenta (which they do), or have an emergnecy c/s and have the choice after to go on blood thinners and bleed to death or wait for the clot to get to her lung and kill her and leave the baby (and possibly other children) motherless.
Some people may want to protect that one baby, but i want to protect that one mother.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds late-term abortion ban
Posted by stayandjohn
Posted by dita
What if this happened:
What about a 13 year old who is raped by her father and not until the 2nd trimester does she come forward... should she have to have that baby who may suffer from birth defects????
In all actuality, how many abortions, be it 1st, 2nd or 3rd trimester, are because of rape or incest?
I'm sorry but I know way to many women who have had abortions as birth control, one woman had an abortion at 5 months (she has had 4 abortions, is that not a bit much?)....both she and her baby were fine. Unfortunately there are Dr's out there that will do PBA "willy nilly", sad to say but the almighty $ can get you anything
Abortions should not be used as a form of birth control, I think most pro-abortion people would agree with that.
However, it's not right to deny a women's health because some people use abortion that way.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds late-term abortion ban
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Some people may want to protect that one baby, but i want to protect that one mother.
For me, it's not so much protecting that one mother, but protecting her right, in a VERY specific circumstance, to make that choice for herself.
The issue isn't whether or not the ban should exist. I think most of us would have a problem with partial birth abortions for women who are making this decision on a whim, and that is exactly what the ban protects against. But, the issue still remains, what about women who have a serious, life threatening necessity for this particular type of abortion? Why, if up until now, all supreme court and legislative decisions have dictated that there must always be a health exception, in this case, there isn't? If you read the court's opinion, they ADMIT that there is medical UNCERTAINTY as to the necessity of this particular type of abortion. In my mind, you simply CANNOT validate a ban that does not have a health exception unless and until that medical uncertainty becomes certain.
The exception listed in the Act really isn't an exception - it's merely an exception to "liability", not the act itself. Moreover, the Supreme Court holding now establishes the precedent that health exceptions are not always necessary, even though Roe v. Wade clearly established that IT IS.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds late-term abortion ban
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As to the omission...the NYT article indicates that the vast majority of PBAs are on healthy women/babies....so all of the stock arguments don't apply to that situation. This is an earnest question and I really would appreciate a response....
This is based on one person's statement, and I honestly doubt the accuracy of it. Where is his statement coming from? Has he performed a study or examined medical records from thousands of these procedures? I doubt that.
If the mother and baby are healthy, I personally don't agree with an abortion after the first trimester. However, this Act makes no distinction between healthy mothers/babies and those whose health are at risk. It's a pure ban on the procedure. I have a problem with the fact that there's no health exception.
The statement comes from the Executive Director of a the National Coalition of Abortion Providers...so obviously, he is not spreading "pro life rhetoric" as some would like to believe.
Also, the ban that was upheld did contain a health exception:
"This subsection does not apply to a partial-birth abortion that is necessary to save the life of a mother whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself. "
First of all, I don't care who made the statement. Unless he can back up his statement with studies or other facts, I don't believe it's accuracy. His comments in general don't strike me as being pro-choice.
The Act contains an exception for the mother's life, but it doesn't contain an exception for the mother's or baby's health.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds late-term abortion ban
I dont think that this should of been something decided yesterday with all that is going on in the country.
Its like nevermind all the young students and faculty killed at VT, and never mind the 180 plus people killed in bombs in iraq yesterday
Lets not try to help these people with their loss
Lets ban abortion and gay marriage and then the world will be so much better
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Re: Supreme Court upholds late-term abortion ban
Posted by stinkysmom80
I dont think that this should of been something decided yesterday with all that is going on in the country.
Its like nevermind all the young students and faculty killed at VT, and never mind the 180 plus people killed in bombs in iraq yesterday
Lets not try to help these people with their loss
Lets ban abortion and gay marriage and then the world will be so much better
I really don't think one has anything to do with the other except that this decision is getting much less media coverage than it would had these tragic events at VT not taken place.
The case was argued before the Supreme Court in November. The the justices made their decision long before yesterday. The Court simply released its opinion yesterday.
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stayandjohn
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Re: Supreme Court upholds late-term abortion ban
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by stayandjohn
Posted by dita
What if this happened:
What about a 13 year old who is raped by her father and not until the 2nd trimester does she come forward... should she have to have that baby who may suffer from birth defects????
In all actuality, how many abortions, be it 1st, 2nd or 3rd trimester, are because of rape or incest?
I'm sorry but I know way to many women who have had abortions as birth control, one woman had an abortion at 5 months (she has had 4 abortions, is that not a bit much?)....both she and her baby were fine. Unfortunately there are Dr's out there that will do PBA "willy nilly", sad to say but the almighty $ can get you anything
So your argument is that since some women use abortion as a form of birth control (which is a practice I don't agree with), all women should be prevented from having abortions? What about if the mother's or child's health is at risk? Based upon this Act, these women are also prohibited from having this type of abortion even if this procedure is less dangerous than other available procedures.
No, I agree that in the instances of rape, incest etc it is a necessary evil.
But lets be frank here, 90% of the women who get abortions are women who were lax in their contraception.
Women who have no choice but to abort their babies due to illness on either part should not be denyed that right, I wanted to point out that, yes, pba do occur on seemingly healthy women and their babies
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Re: Supreme Court upholds late-term abortion ban
While I don't agree with late-term abortions (except in the cases where the mothers health/life is in danger), where will the ban end? Next will be ALL abortions?? 
I think that we, as woman, need to stand together, whether we agree with abortions or not, to protect the rights of woman to have a legal and safe abortion, if they choose to.
I can just see it now, the return of the back alley abortion clinic and the mutilation and/or death of thousands of women!!! 
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Posted by Lisa
While I don't agree with late-term abortions (except in the cases where the mothers health/life is in danger), where will the ban end? Next will be ALL abortions??
I think that we, as woman, need to stand together, whether we agree with abortions or not, to protect the rights of woman to have a legal and safe abortion, if they choose to.
I can just see it now, the return of the back alley abortion clinic and the mutilation and/or death of thousands of women!!!
ITA!!!!!
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Re: Supreme Court upholds late-term abortion ban
I didnt read all comments or article
but wanted to ask
if something is wrong with the baby after doing an amnio at 16 weeks which is in the second trimester you dont have the option on whether or not you want to contiue the pregnancy?
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Posted by girlygrl33
I didnt read all comments or article
but wanted to ask
if something is wrong with the baby after doing an amnio at 16 weeks which is in the second trimester you dont have the option on whether or not you want to contiue the pregnancy?
A woman could still terminate her pregnancy. This decision deals with a particular type of abortion, intact dilation and extraction. Numerous physicians and the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists consider this procedure safer for certain women and necessary to protect the women's health. The Act bans this type of abortion for all women unless the mother's life is in danger. The health of the mother (or child) is not an exception to the ban.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds late-term abortion ban
Posted by Lisa
While I don't agree with late-term abortions (except in the cases where the mothers health/life is in danger), where will the ban end? Next will be ALL abortions??
I think that we, as woman, need to stand together, whether we agree with abortions or not, to protect the rights of woman to have a legal and safe abortion, if they choose to.
I can just see it now, the return of the back alley abortion clinic and the mutilation and/or death of thousands of women!!!
I have to respectfully disagree. I for one do NOT believe that we as women have to stand together to protect abortion rights. Why? Because I do not believe in abortion. It has nothing to do with not believing in equality for women...I just have had the belief all my life that life begins at conception. Religious and my own morality have drawn me to that conclusion. Many may disagree, but many are like me. I just believe in the protection of an unborn human who can't speak for themselves.
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Posted by nrthshgrl
This was debated before on the FHF board. I posted the article from the Boston Globe regarding late term abortions. For those of you who missed it & have plenty of time to read the article here is the link.
Unless this ruling allows for the quality of life issue for the baby & the health care exception for the mother, I consider the law barbaric.
I've stated this before but here it goes again:
I believe that life does not begin at conception, but the potential for life begins at conception. When weighing factors such as a mother's health vs. the potential baby's health, I believe the living, breathing human being's right supercede all rights. I also believe that we need allowances for the quality of life for the baby once it is born. Bringing a child into this world to suffer for its brief time on Earth needs to be the decision of the parents - not the goverment.
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Potential life vs Actual life. I've seen too many miscarriages in the first and second trimester to believe it's a life that has rights.
Posted by Maathy317
I agree. If you deliver a child to the point where everything is out but the head, why can't you deliver the rest? This child is viable. This child can breathe on their own and they can feel pain and to perform this procedure is cruel and savage. As this poster said, this is a "civilized" society and this procedure should not be tolerated in any way. If a mother's health is in danger, an emergency c-section can be performed and this child can be removed from her in a very short period of time. I am not at all in favor of overturning Roe v. Wade, but, this procedure is obscene.
You stated if the mother's health is in danger - what if the child isn't viable? Should we cut the mother open then? Or do we force these women to go through their labor & deliver their child - some who will be stillborn, others that will live in agony only to die months later? Who is the government to take away this option to ease these women's ordeal?
I've seen my SIL labor for hours, knowing full well her baby would not survive. I've seen her struggle with the pain of a csection & have that scar as a reminder of that day (as if she needed one more). It is not humane to force these women to go through her last 2 trimesters, knowing she will be answering "how is the baby? Is he crawling yet?" questions from every well-meaning stranger. It is a choice that THEY, and only THEY should make.
Partial-birth abortion is done in the last trimester of pregnancy. Up until that time (24 weeks), other methods can be used to abort a child. I'm sorry for your SIL and the pain she must go through every day. She made a brave decision to carry on with a pregnancy she knew would not be viable. It was clearly a choice she made. It had to be extremely difficult. I have, also, known women who have made the decision to carry to term knowing that their child would not survive. Even though they went on to have other children, the pain never left them. These brave women are the exception, not the rule.
You talk in terms of "what ifs". I'm talking in terms of "what is". Your theory, if I understand you, is that it is far better for a child (and, yes, it is a child) to have their skull crushed or their brains sucked out than to have an adult deal with what might be ahead. Have you actually seen this procedure? Do you know how it is done? I suggest you find this video and watch it carefully. It is appalling, barbaric and obscene. I would think a scar would be easier to live with than knowing that you put our child through this torture.
No one knows what the health of our children will be after they are born. A woman can have a normal pregnancy and her child can have serious problems. This is what we take on as parents. We don't discard our children in such a cruel manner simply because they might be "defective" or it may save us some heartache. I am not an abortion proponent. However, I do not judge any woman who chooses this course and, as I have stated, Roe v. Wade should not be overturned. This is an extremely personal and difficult decision that is between her, her doctor and her God. On the other hand, to go this far in a pregnancy, deliver a child almost completely and then kill it is obscene. For those who think that this is in any way "humane" are, IMO, just as obscene as the procedure itself.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds late-term abortion ban
What the hell good is a ban on partial birth abortion if there's still another type available?
Gee, since we can't puncture the back of this poor baby's head and suck out its brains, why don't we INSTEAD crush it with forceps while it's still "safe" in utero? You know, kinda like a scrambled egg!
No one sees anything wrong with this??!!!
(And no, I'm not a Republican)
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Posted by MrsRivera
What the hell good is a ban on partial birth abortion if there's still another type available?
Gee, since we can't puncture the back of this poor baby's head and suck out its brains, why don't we INSTEAD crush it with forceps while it's still "safe" in utero? You know, kinda like a scrambled egg!
No one sees anything wrong with this??!!!
(And no, I'm not a Republican)
There's not another type of PBA available, rather there is another type of late term abortion available, which is as horrific.
The reason this other procedure was not banned is b/c that issue was not before the court and therefore could not be ruled upon. Only legislation dealing with PBA was before the court.
However, I think that, after this ruling, either states and/or the feds will ban late term abortion and then the court will determine if that is constitutionally permissible. I think that given this decision and the current court composition, such bans will also be upheld.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds late-term abortion ban
Last year, after being diagnosed with a brain tumor, the discussion to end my pregnancy was brought up. My tumor was growing fast and it was a belief of some of the medicial professionals I was consulting with that it was growing so fast due to the increase of hormones in my body from said pregnancy.
To have cancer and be pregnant IS HARD. Forget mentally, that is a whole nother argument in itself. But the pain I endured on a daily basis. When was the last time you spent 75% of your day on your hands and needs, head cupped in your hand CRYING HYSTERICAL in pain...howling so much it made your husband cry because he couldn't help. The pain....so intense for a brief moment in time (as I am completly sane) you derive ways to stop the pain. To all of a sudden have moments of suicidal tendancies because it's too much for you to handle for another 12 weeks. To sit on a fence EVERYDAY and try to choose your life over the life of the baby inside of you...the baby that took you nearly three years to concieve. The baby you obsessed, wished and prayed for 32 months. The baby that lasted when 8 others didn't make it passed 6 weeks.
Does anyone hear KNOW that feeling? Not, ooh Deb, I can only imagine, but does anyone KNOW IT?
NO ONE can tell me I didn't want Joseph, I didn't fight to get pregnant for Joseph of stand up for him everyday of my pregnancy.
Like it or not, late term abortions NEED to stay a viable option. I considered it, that's right I did. In the end, I decided to live with the pain, the pressure, the siezures and everythng that came along with it.
I am one strong and stubborn woman and i feel like I JUST made it thru...others might not be as strong and may need an alternative.
By the way, my tumor did grow while I tried to wait out pregnancy...a tumor I don't have a great shot at beating anyway. I leave a lot of grim stuff out of my posts because I try and stay positive but next time you are pregnant and get diagnosed with someone that IS going to kill you (anywhere from tomorrow thru the next ten years...as no one with as ACC has lasted past 10 years) well than let me know what you think.
I have to tell you....having a grapefruit size tumor wrapped around my carotid artery with the possibility that any day is the day it grows enough to put enough pressure on the artery to shut it down, denying my brain blood and killing me....welll, come talk to me.
Saving my llife should be an option for me.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds late-term abortion ban
Posted by DebG
Last year, after being diagnosed with a brain tumor, the discussion to end my pregnancy was brought up. My tumor was growing fast and it was a belief of some of the medicial professionals I was consulting with that it was growing so fast due to the increase of hormones in my body from said pregnancy.
To have cancer and be pregnant IS HARD. Forget mentally, that is a whole nother argument in itself. But the pain I endured on a daily basis. When was the last time you spent 75% of your day on your hands and needs, head cupped in your hand CRYING HYSTERICAL in pain...howling so much it made your husband cry because he couldn't help. The pain....so intense for a brief moment in time (as I am completly sane) you derive ways to stop the pain. To all of a sudden have moments of suicidal tendancies because it's too much for you to handle for another 12 weeks. To sit on a fence EVERYDAY and try to choose your life over the life of the baby inside of you...the baby that took you nearly three years to concieve. The baby you obsessed, wished and prayed for 32 months. The baby that lasted when 8 others didn't make it passed 6 weeks.
Does anyone hear KNOW that feeling? Not, ooh Deb, I can only imagine, but does anyone KNOW IT?
NO ONE can tell me I didn't want Joseph, I didn't fight to get pregnant for Joseph of stand up for him everyday of my pregnancy.
Like it or not, late term abortions NEED to stay a viable option. I considered it, that's right I did. In the end, I decided to live with the pain, the pressure, the siezures and everythng that came along with it.
I am one strong and stubborn woman and i feel like I JUST made it thru...others might not be as strong and may need an alternative.
By the way, my tumor did grow while I tried to wait out pregnancy...a tumor I don't have a great shot at beating anyway. I leave a lot of grim stuff out of my posts because I try and stay positive but next time you are pregnant and get diagnosed with someone that IS going to kill you (anywhere from tomorrow thru the next ten years...as no one with as ACC has lasted past 10 years) well than let me know what you think.
I have to tell you....having a grapefruit size tumor wrapped around my carotid artery with the possibility that any day is the day it grows enough to put enough pressure on the artery to shut it down, denying my brain blood and killing me....welll, come talk to me.
Saving my llife should be an option for me.
Thank you so much for this Deb. NONE of us will ever understand what you went through, and what kind of pain you will always live with, but what you've shared is more enlightening than anything I've read yet on this issue.
Thank you for your honesty 
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I wasn't replying to this thread anymore but I had to say something to you Deb for being so candid about something so painful and so personal.
Thank you for being so honest
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Wow Deb! Thank you so much for your post.
I didn't post anything before because its somethign I feel so strongly about, that I didn't think I could be eloquent enough to describe how I felt.
You put it so perfectly. You really should go to Washington and tell those bonehead judges a thing or two.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds late-term abortion ban
Posted by DebG
Last year, after being diagnosed with a brain tumor, the discussion to end my pregnancy was brought up. My tumor was growing fast and it was a belief of some of the medicial professionals I was consulting with that it was growing so fast due to the increase of hormones in my body from said pregnancy.
To have cancer and be pregnant IS HARD. Forget mentally, that is a whole nother argument in itself. But the pain I endured on a daily basis. When was the last time you spent 75% of your day on your hands and needs, head cupped in your hand CRYING HYSTERICAL in pain...howling so much it made your husband cry because he couldn't help. The pain....so intense for a brief moment in time (as I am completly sane) you derive ways to stop the pain. To all of a sudden have moments of suicidal tendancies because it's too much for you to handle for another 12 weeks. To sit on a fence EVERYDAY and try to choose your life over the life of the baby inside of you...the baby that took you nearly three years to concieve. The baby you obsessed, wished and prayed for 32 months. The baby that lasted when 8 others didn't make it passed 6 weeks.
Does anyone hear KNOW that feeling? Not, ooh Deb, I can only imagine, but does anyone KNOW IT?
NO ONE can tell me I didn't want Joseph, I didn't fight to get pregnant for Joseph of stand up for him everyday of my pregnancy.
Like it or not, late term abortions NEED to stay a viable option. I considered it, that's right I did. In the end, I decided to live with the pain, the pressure, the siezures and everythng that came along with it.
I am one strong and stubborn woman and i feel like I JUST made it thru...others might not be as strong and may need an alternative.
By the way, my tumor did grow while I tried to wait out pregnancy...a tumor I don't have a great shot at beating anyway. I leave a lot of grim stuff out of my posts because I try and stay positive but next time you are pregnant and get diagnosed with someone that IS going to kill you (anywhere from tomorrow thru the next ten years...as no one with as ACC has lasted past 10 years) well than let me know what you think.
I have to tell you....having a grapefruit size tumor wrapped around my carotid artery with the possibility that any day is the day it grows enough to put enough pressure on the artery to shut it down, denying my brain blood and killing me....welll, come talk to me.
Saving my llife should be an option for me.
and this is why I will stand and protect the a woman's right to choose!!
Deb....I will NEVER know what you have gone through or going through but I do know that you are an extremly STRONG woman and I look up to you!!
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Re: Supreme Court upholds late-term abortion ban
Posted by maybebaby
Posted by Lisa
While I don't agree with late-term abortions (except in the cases where the mothers health/life is in danger), where will the ban end? Next will be ALL abortions??
I think that we, as woman, need to stand together, whether we agree with abortions or not, to protect the rights of woman to have a legal and safe abortion, if they choose to.
I can just see it now, the return of the back alley abortion clinic and the mutilation and/or death of thousands of women!!!
I have to respectfully disagree. I for one do NOT believe that we as women have to stand together to protect abortion rights. Why? Because I do not believe in abortion. It has nothing to do with not believing in equality for women...I just have had the belief all my life that life begins at conception. Religious and my own morality have drawn me to that conclusion. Many may disagree, but many are like me. I just believe in the protection of an unborn human who can't speak for themselves.
I am not saying that how you feel is right or wrong, but the REALITY is that if all abortions are banned than there WILL be women getting back alley abortions and attempting to do things that are harmful to end her pregnancy. Its just like they have shown lately in recent studies about abstainence education does not work either. People will have sex if they want to, it does not matter if people preach to them and tell them not to. That reality is we need to educate about safe sex so that they dont need abortions, and they dont get STD's.
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| Posted 4/20/07 11:55 AM |
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maybebaby
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Member since 11/05 6870 total posts
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Maureen
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Re: Supreme Court upholds late-term abortion ban
Posted by DebG
Last year, after being diagnosed with a brain tumor, the discussion to end my pregnancy was brought up. My tumor was growing fast and it was a belief of some of the medicial professionals I was consulting with that it was growing so fast due to the increase of hormones in my body from said pregnancy.
To have cancer and be pregnant IS HARD. Forget mentally, that is a whole nother argument in itself. But the pain I endured on a daily basis. When was the last time you spent 75% of your day on your hands and needs, head cupped in your hand CRYING HYSTERICAL in pain...howling so much it made your husband cry because he couldn't help. The pain....so intense for a brief moment in time (as I am completly sane) you derive ways to stop the pain. To all of a sudden have moments of suicidal tendancies because it's too much for you to handle for another 12 weeks. To sit on a fence EVERYDAY and try to choose your life over the life of the baby inside of you...the baby that took you nearly three years to concieve. The baby you obsessed, wished and prayed for 32 months. The baby that lasted when 8 others didn't make it passed 6 weeks.
Does anyone hear KNOW that feeling? Not, ooh Deb, I can only imagine, but does anyone KNOW IT?
NO ONE can tell me I didn't want Joseph, I didn't fight to get pregnant for Joseph of stand up for him everyday of my pregnancy.
Like it or not, late term abortions NEED to stay a viable option. I considered it, that's right I did. In the end, I decided to live with the pain, the pressure, the siezures and everythng that came along with it.
I am one strong and stubborn woman and i feel like I JUST made it thru...others might not be as strong and may need an alternative.
By the way, my tumor did grow while I tried to wait out pregnancy...a tumor I don't have a great shot at beating anyway. I leave a lot of grim stuff out of my posts because I try and stay positive but next time you are pregnant and get diagnosed with someone that IS going to kill you (anywhere from tomorrow thru the next ten years...as no one with as ACC has lasted past 10 years) well than let me know what you think.
I have to tell you....having a grapefruit size tumor wrapped around my carotid artery with the possibility that any day is the day it grows enough to put enough pressure on the artery to shut it down, denying my brain blood and killing me....welll, come talk to me.
Saving my llife should be an option for me.
Deb, I admire and applaud you for what you endured. No, I cannot imagine what your life was like during that phase. I won't begin to try to sympathize or empathize.
I have a question b.c it's honestly something I don't know the answer to. If the pregnancy is late term....why does abortion have to be an option to save the mother? I need to read up on this because i do not know the answer. To people not aware of what it all entails, it's easy for me to sit here and ask "why coudln't they just do a c-section and take the baby from there". Is it because you can't be under anesthetia?
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| Posted 4/20/07 11:57 AM |
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Woodsy
LIF Infant
Member since 6/05 241 total posts
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Re: Supreme Court upholds late-term abortion ban
Posted by DebG
Saving my llife should be an option for me.
DebG...I greatly admire your strength. Your son is very lucky to have you as a a mother.
But, the ban does uphold PBAs to save the life of the mother:
"This subsection does not apply to a partial-birth abortion that is necessary to save the life of a mother whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself. "
I just don't understand how people can advocate such a procedure on healthy moms and healthy babies. I asked how somebody could be ok with this and didn't receive a response. I posted an article by a pro-abortionist admitting that in the vast majority of cases is done on healthy woman and healthy babies. Almost immediately, I was accused of posting a forged New York Times article. This is what is really scary to me...that people would rather insinuate that the article is a fake rather than admit that there is something wrong with a society that permits this.
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| Posted 4/20/07 11:58 AM |
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