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Re: Supreme Court upholds late-term abortion ban
Posted by DebG
Last year, after being diagnosed with a brain tumor, the discussion to end my pregnancy was brought up. My tumor was growing fast and it was a belief of some of the medicial professionals I was consulting with that it was growing so fast due to the increase of hormones in my body from said pregnancy.
To have cancer and be pregnant IS HARD. Forget mentally, that is a whole nother argument in itself. But the pain I endured on a daily basis. When was the last time you spent 75% of your day on your hands and needs, head cupped in your hand CRYING HYSTERICAL in pain...howling so much it made your husband cry because he couldn't help. The pain....so intense for a brief moment in time (as I am completly sane) you derive ways to stop the pain. To all of a sudden have moments of suicidal tendancies because it's too much for you to handle for another 12 weeks. To sit on a fence EVERYDAY and try to choose your life over the life of the baby inside of you...the baby that took you nearly three years to concieve. The baby you obsessed, wished and prayed for 32 months. The baby that lasted when 8 others didn't make it passed 6 weeks.
Does anyone hear KNOW that feeling? Not, ooh Deb, I can only imagine, but does anyone KNOW IT?
NO ONE can tell me I didn't want Joseph, I didn't fight to get pregnant for Joseph of stand up for him everyday of my pregnancy.
Like it or not, late term abortions NEED to stay a viable option. I considered it, that's right I did. In the end, I decided to live with the pain, the pressure, the siezures and everythng that came along with it.
I am one strong and stubborn woman and i feel like I JUST made it thru...others might not be as strong and may need an alternative.
By the way, my tumor did grow while I tried to wait out pregnancy...a tumor I don't have a great shot at beating anyway. I leave a lot of grim stuff out of my posts because I try and stay positive but next time you are pregnant and get diagnosed with someone that IS going to kill you (anywhere from tomorrow thru the next ten years...as no one with as ACC has lasted past 10 years) well than let me know what you think.
I have to tell you....having a grapefruit size tumor wrapped around my carotid artery with the possibility that any day is the day it grows enough to put enough pressure on the artery to shut it down, denying my brain blood and killing me....welll, come talk to me.
Saving my llife should be an option for me.
You truly are amazing, thank you for sharing and I am so inspired by they way you have fought through this!!
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Posted by maybebaby
Deb, I admire and applaud you for what you endured. No, I cannot imagine what your life was like during that phase. I won't begin to try to sympathize or empathize.
I have a question b.c it's honestly something I don't know the answer to. If the pregnancy is late term....why does abortion have to be an option to save the mother? I need to read up on this because i do not know the answer. To people not aware of what it all entails, it's easy for me to sit here and ask "why coudln't they just do a c-section and take the baby from there". Is it because you can't be under anesthetia?
For me...even when we waited and then took him early. Joseph was in NICU for over 2 weeks. His heart and lungs and brains were not developed. He is going to be 10 months old soon and is still on a heart monitor because we took him early...I feel blessed as it could have been a LOT worse.
I can only imagine what sort of physical/developmental challanges we would face if I didn't hold out for two months.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds late-term abortion ban
Posted by DebG
Last year, after being diagnosed with a brain tumor, the discussion to end my pregnancy was brought up. My tumor was growing fast and it was a belief of some of the medicial professionals I was consulting with that it was growing so fast due to the increase of hormones in my body from said pregnancy.
To have cancer and be pregnant IS HARD. Forget mentally, that is a whole nother argument in itself. But the pain I endured on a daily basis. When was the last time you spent 75% of your day on your hands and needs, head cupped in your hand CRYING HYSTERICAL in pain...howling so much it made your husband cry because he couldn't help. The pain....so intense for a brief moment in time (as I am completly sane) you derive ways to stop the pain. To all of a sudden have moments of suicidal tendancies because it's too much for you to handle for another 12 weeks. To sit on a fence EVERYDAY and try to choose your life over the life of the baby inside of you...the baby that took you nearly three years to concieve. The baby you obsessed, wished and prayed for 32 months. The baby that lasted when 8 others didn't make it passed 6 weeks.
Does anyone hear KNOW that feeling? Not, ooh Deb, I can only imagine, but does anyone KNOW IT?
NO ONE can tell me I didn't want Joseph, I didn't fight to get pregnant for Joseph of stand up for him everyday of my pregnancy.
Like it or not, late term abortions NEED to stay a viable option. I considered it, that's right I did. In the end, I decided to live with the pain, the pressure, the siezures and everythng that came along with it.
I am one strong and stubborn woman and i feel like I JUST made it thru...others might not be as strong and may need an alternative.
By the way, my tumor did grow while I tried to wait out pregnancy...a tumor I don't have a great shot at beating anyway. I leave a lot of grim stuff out of my posts because I try and stay positive but next time you are pregnant and get diagnosed with someone that IS going to kill you (anywhere from tomorrow thru the next ten years...as no one with as ACC has lasted past 10 years) well than let me know what you think.
I have to tell you....having a grapefruit size tumor wrapped around my carotid artery with the possibility that any day is the day it grows enough to put enough pressure on the artery to shut it down, denying my brain blood and killing me....welll, come talk to me.
Saving my llife should be an option for me.
no one post has ever moved me more in my life Deb.
you are one hell of a woman.
Thank you.
b/c I don't KNOW what it's like, but I do KNOW that someone else does, and for all the women like you, I will never condone taking the choice away.
you don't need hugs girl...you rock.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds late-term abortion ban
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It's about time. It's a barbaric practice that should not be legal in a civilized society.
I completely agree. I think it's a disgusting practice, and do not know how doctors perform that type of abortion. I don't understand abortion in the first place, BUT this type of abortion is so inhumane.
I agree...any doctor who does this should be a ASAMED of themselves and NOT be considered a doctor
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Re: Supreme Court upholds late-term abortion ban
I think abortion is such a personal choice that in my opinion whatever the government decides to do to regulate the late term is never going to be 100% satisfactory to everyone...every woman is in a different situation and should have the choice...its her body...who are WE to decide what is right and what is wrong for her and HER baby. I am completely pro-choice for early abortions as well as pro-choice for late term abortions, although I believe they need to be regulated and monitored to be administered only in medically necessary cases. Most prenatal screening takes place at the beginning of pregnancy, so a woman knows whether or not her baby stands of having some sort of medical condition, and she should have the choice to act early.
I just don't think its right for people to judge...especially those that have never been in a situation of having to have an abortion, whether early or late, whether as a personal choice or medical or other reason.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds late-term abortion ban
Deb, you are truly an incredible human being. Your post brought tears to my eyes. So long as there are women in this world like you, I will always be pro-choice.
Just like the saying re: our justice system: it is better for 10 guilty escape than one innocent suffer, I think that it's better that one person like Deb G get to make her choice, even if there are 10 women who abuse their right to an abortion.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds late-term abortion ban
Posted by Woodsy
Posted by DebG
Saving my llife should be an option for me.
DebG...I greatly admire your strength. Your son is very lucky to have you as a a mother.
But, the ban does uphold PBAs to save the life of the mother:
"This subsection does not apply to a partial-birth abortion that is necessary to save the life of a mother whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself. "
I just don't understand how people can advocate such a procedure on healthy moms and healthy babies. I asked how somebody could be ok with this and didn't receive a response. I posted an article by a pro-abortionist admitting that in the vast majority of cases is done on healthy woman and healthy babies. Almost immediately, I was accused of posting a forged New York Times article. This is what is really scary to me...that people would rather insinuate that the article is a fake rather than admit that there is something wrong with a society that permits this.
The point is not that anyone advocates this procedure being done on healthy moms and fetuses. Its that this ruling is just the START of taking away a woman's right to choose. Little by little, it will be eroded away. What are women in situations like DebG to do when ALL late-term abortions are outlawed?
The thing that is being argued here is that the government has no right to tell a woman what to do with her body. And if the government finds a way to do this, women who are desperate will find a way around it - be it back-alley abortions, or asking someone to punch her in the belly... and what kind of civilized society is that?
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Posted by SweetTooth
The point is not that anyone advocates this procedure being done on healthy moms and fetuses. Its that this ruling is just the START of taking away a woman's right to choose. Little by little, it will be eroded away. What are women in situations like DebG to do when ALL late-term abortions are outlawed?
The thing that is being argued here is that the government has no right to tell a woman what to do with her body. And if the government finds a way to do this, women who are desperate will find a way around it - be it back-alley abortions, or asking someone to punch her in the belly... and what kind of civilized society is that?
ITA! I couldn't say it better myself.
Ladies, you have to remember it wasn't too long ago when birth control was not permitted to be distributed to unmarried women (1961) and abortion was only made legal in 1973.
If these righst are starting to erode now, who knows where we will be in another 40 years.
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Posted by Woodsy
I just don't understand how people can advocate such a procedure on healthy moms and healthy babies. I asked how somebody could be ok with this and didn't receive a response. I posted an article by a pro-abortionist admitting that in the vast majority of cases is done on healthy woman and healthy babies. Almost immediately, I was accused of posting a forged New York Times article. This is what is really scary to me...that people would rather insinuate that the article is a fake rather than admit that there is something wrong with a society that permits this.
I don't remember reading any posts that supported the use of this procedure on healthy women and babies. It's unfortunate if that happens, but as a previous poster mentioned, just b/c people abuse the right to have an abortion doesn't mean everyone should be denied the right, especially if it's less dangerous than other available procedures. The problem is that the Act contains NO health exception. You mention that there's something wrong with a society that permits this type of abortion. IMO, there's something wrong with a society that completely disregards a woman's health.
As for the article you posted, I continue to question the accuracy of the statements. This was a blanket assertion without any facts to support it. This man is a lobbyist who made a statement to fulfill his own personal agenda.
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Posted by DebG
Last year, after being diagnosed with a brain tumor, the discussion to end my pregnancy was brought up. My tumor was growing fast and it was a belief of some of the medicial professionals I was consulting with that it was growing so fast due to the increase of hormones in my body from said pregnancy.
To have cancer and be pregnant IS HARD. Forget mentally, that is a whole nother argument in itself. But the pain I endured on a daily basis. When was the last time you spent 75% of your day on your hands and needs, head cupped in your hand CRYING HYSTERICAL in pain...howling so much it made your husband cry because he couldn't help. The pain....so intense for a brief moment in time (as I am completly sane) you derive ways to stop the pain. To all of a sudden have moments of suicidal tendancies because it's too much for you to handle for another 12 weeks. To sit on a fence EVERYDAY and try to choose your life over the life of the baby inside of you...the baby that took you nearly three years to concieve. The baby you obsessed, wished and prayed for 32 months. The baby that lasted when 8 others didn't make it passed 6 weeks.
Does anyone hear KNOW that feeling? Not, ooh Deb, I can only imagine, but does anyone KNOW IT?
NO ONE can tell me I didn't want Joseph, I didn't fight to get pregnant for Joseph of stand up for him everyday of my pregnancy.
Like it or not, late term abortions NEED to stay a viable option. I considered it, that's right I did. In the end, I decided to live with the pain, the pressure, the siezures and everythng that came along with it.
I am one strong and stubborn woman and i feel like I JUST made it thru...others might not be as strong and may need an alternative.
By the way, my tumor did grow while I tried to wait out pregnancy...a tumor I don't have a great shot at beating anyway. I leave a lot of grim stuff out of my posts because I try and stay positive but next time you are pregnant and get diagnosed with someone that IS going to kill you (anywhere from tomorrow thru the next ten years...as no one with as ACC has lasted past 10 years) well than let me know what you think.
I have to tell you....having a grapefruit size tumor wrapped around my carotid artery with the possibility that any day is the day it grows enough to put enough pressure on the artery to shut it down, denying my brain blood and killing me....welll, come talk to me.
Saving my llife should be an option for me.
And yet you still believe that you have NOT made a difference in someone's life? You, my dear, are one of the most incredible human beings I've ever known. God Bless you.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds late-term abortion ban
Posted by DebG
Last year, after being diagnosed with a brain tumor, the discussion to end my pregnancy was brought up. My tumor was growing fast and it was a belief of some of the medicial professionals I was consulting with that it was growing so fast due to the increase of hormones in my body from said pregnancy.
To have cancer and be pregnant IS HARD. Forget mentally, that is a whole nother argument in itself. But the pain I endured on a daily basis. When was the last time you spent 75% of your day on your hands and needs, head cupped in your hand CRYING HYSTERICAL in pain...howling so much it made your husband cry because he couldn't help. The pain....so intense for a brief moment in time (as I am completly sane) you derive ways to stop the pain. To all of a sudden have moments of suicidal tendancies because it's too much for you to handle for another 12 weeks. To sit on a fence EVERYDAY and try to choose your life over the life of the baby inside of you...the baby that took you nearly three years to concieve. The baby you obsessed, wished and prayed for 32 months. The baby that lasted when 8 others didn't make it passed 6 weeks.
Does anyone hear KNOW that feeling? Not, ooh Deb, I can only imagine, but does anyone KNOW IT?
NO ONE can tell me I didn't want Joseph, I didn't fight to get pregnant for Joseph of stand up for him everyday of my pregnancy.
Like it or not, late term abortions NEED to stay a viable option. I considered it, that's right I did. In the end, I decided to live with the pain, the pressure, the siezures and everythng that came along with it.
I am one strong and stubborn woman and i feel like I JUST made it thru...others might not be as strong and may need an alternative.
By the way, my tumor did grow while I tried to wait out pregnancy...a tumor I don't have a great shot at beating anyway. I leave a lot of grim stuff out of my posts because I try and stay positive but next time you are pregnant and get diagnosed with someone that IS going to kill you (anywhere from tomorrow thru the next ten years...as no one with as ACC has lasted past 10 years) well than let me know what you think.
I have to tell you....having a grapefruit size tumor wrapped around my carotid artery with the possibility that any day is the day it grows enough to put enough pressure on the artery to shut it down, denying my brain blood and killing me....welll, come talk to me.
Saving my llife should be an option for me.
Your strength continues to amaze me. Thank you for sharing such a personal and enlightening story.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds late-term abortion ban
Posted by DebG
Last year, after being diagnosed with a brain tumor, the discussion to end my pregnancy was brought up. My tumor was growing fast and it was a belief of some of the medicial professionals I was consulting with that it was growing so fast due to the increase of hormones in my body from said pregnancy.
To have cancer and be pregnant IS HARD. Forget mentally, that is a whole nother argument in itself. But the pain I endured on a daily basis. When was the last time you spent 75% of your day on your hands and needs, head cupped in your hand CRYING HYSTERICAL in pain...howling so much it made your husband cry because he couldn't help. The pain....so intense for a brief moment in time (as I am completly sane) you derive ways to stop the pain. To all of a sudden have moments of suicidal tendancies because it's too much for you to handle for another 12 weeks. To sit on a fence EVERYDAY and try to choose your life over the life of the baby inside of you...the baby that took you nearly three years to concieve. The baby you obsessed, wished and prayed for 32 months. The baby that lasted when 8 others didn't make it passed 6 weeks.
Does anyone hear KNOW that feeling? Not, ooh Deb, I can only imagine, but does anyone KNOW IT?
NO ONE can tell me I didn't want Joseph, I didn't fight to get pregnant for Joseph of stand up for him everyday of my pregnancy.
Like it or not, late term abortions NEED to stay a viable option. I considered it, that's right I did. In the end, I decided to live with the pain, the pressure, the siezures and everythng that came along with it.
I am one strong and stubborn woman and i feel like I JUST made it thru...others might not be as strong and may need an alternative.
By the way, my tumor did grow while I tried to wait out pregnancy...a tumor I don't have a great shot at beating anyway. I leave a lot of grim stuff out of my posts because I try and stay positive but next time you are pregnant and get diagnosed with someone that IS going to kill you (anywhere from tomorrow thru the next ten years...as no one with as ACC has lasted past 10 years) well than let me know what you think.
I have to tell you....having a grapefruit size tumor wrapped around my carotid artery with the possibility that any day is the day it grows enough to put enough pressure on the artery to shut it down, denying my brain blood and killing me....welll, come talk to me.
Saving my llife should be an option for me.
Wow! You are incredibly strong. You are the reason I don't think the gov't should get involved in our bodies. Every story is different. I know your son has the best mother he could ever imagine. I'm sorry you had to go through all of that and I wish you only the best.
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Deb, your strength always insprires me
To be honest, I know this may be horrible, but I am weary of being pregnant with this type of ban in place. I have not been tested for it yet, but both my mom and sister have thombophilia. Knowing that God forbid if my pregnancy becomes life threatening I will have no choice but to continue w/ the pregnancy and increase the chances of dying, does not make me happy. DH and I had discussed this before and always agreed that if it became a choice between my life or the baby's we would terminate the pregnancy. I know that it's being said while I am not pregnant, and maybe that outlook would be different if I was, it was how we looked at it. Doesn't a woman have a right not to die?
I believe the ban should be in place for women who just decide they don't want to be pregnant anymore...but for those w/ medical issues, it should be an option. What can be done?
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Re: Supreme Court upholds late-term abortion ban
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Posted by Woodsy
I just don't understand how people can advocate such a procedure on healthy moms and healthy babies. I asked how somebody could be ok with this and didn't receive a response. I posted an article by a pro-abortionist admitting that in the vast majority of cases is done on healthy woman and healthy babies. Almost immediately, I was accused of posting a forged New York Times article. This is what is really scary to me...that people would rather insinuate that the article is a fake rather than admit that there is something wrong with a society that permits this.
I don't remember reading any posts that supported the use of this procedure on healthy women and babies. It's unfortunate if that happens, but as a previous poster mentioned, just b/c people abuse the right to have an abortion doesn't mean everyone should be denied the right, especially if it's less dangerous than other available procedures. The problem is that the Act contains NO health exception. You mention that there's something wrong with a society that permits this type of abortion. IMO, there's something wrong with a society that completely disregards a woman's health.
As for the article you posted, I continue to question the accuracy of the statements. This was a blanket assertion without any facts to support it. This man is a lobbyist who made a statement to fulfill his own personal agenda.
I don't understand this post at all. The ban that was just upheld does contain a health exception for when the mother's life is at risk. If you zealously object to any restrictions on PBA, then by implication you support the right of a healthy woman to have a PBA of a healthy baby. This is what I have the biggest problem with and yet it seems the vast majority of posters believe there should be no restrictions at all.
So, seriously, in your opinion, should a healthy woman with healthy baby be entitled to have a Partial Birth Abortion?
The "lobbyist" you don't want to believe is an ardent pro-choicer. He is the executive director of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers and fully supports the procedure (as stated in the article). So, if he has any "personal agenda," it is certainly not to promote a pro life argument. He was just admitting that he lied and that most PBAs are performed on healthy woman/babies. This NYT article was based upon an article in an AMA publication (an organization that supports PBA), American Medical News.
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Posted by DebG
Last year, after being diagnosed with a brain tumor, the discussion to end my pregnancy was brought up. My tumor was growing fast and it was a belief of some of the medicial professionals I was consulting with that it was growing so fast due to the increase of hormones in my body from said pregnancy.
To have cancer and be pregnant IS HARD. Forget mentally, that is a whole nother argument in itself. But the pain I endured on a daily basis. When was the last time you spent 75% of your day on your hands and needs, head cupped in your hand CRYING HYSTERICAL in pain...howling so much it made your husband cry because he couldn't help. The pain....so intense for a brief moment in time (as I am completly sane) you derive ways to stop the pain. To all of a sudden have moments of suicidal tendancies because it's too much for you to handle for another 12 weeks. To sit on a fence EVERYDAY and try to choose your life over the life of the baby inside of you...the baby that took you nearly three years to concieve. The baby you obsessed, wished and prayed for 32 months. The baby that lasted when 8 others didn't make it passed 6 weeks.
Does anyone hear KNOW that feeling? Not, ooh Deb, I can only imagine, but does anyone KNOW IT?
NO ONE can tell me I didn't want Joseph, I didn't fight to get pregnant for Joseph of stand up for him everyday of my pregnancy.
Like it or not, late term abortions NEED to stay a viable option. I considered it, that's right I did. In the end, I decided to live with the pain, the pressure, the siezures and everythng that came along with it.
I am one strong and stubborn woman and i feel like I JUST made it thru...others might not be as strong and may need an alternative.
By the way, my tumor did grow while I tried to wait out pregnancy...a tumor I don't have a great shot at beating anyway. I leave a lot of grim stuff out of my posts because I try and stay positive but next time you are pregnant and get diagnosed with someone that IS going to kill you (anywhere from tomorrow thru the next ten years...as no one with as ACC has lasted past 10 years) well than let me know what you think.
I have to tell you....having a grapefruit size tumor wrapped around my carotid artery with the possibility that any day is the day it grows enough to put enough pressure on the artery to shut it down, denying my brain blood and killing me....welll, come talk to me.
Saving my llife should be an option for me.
Your strength continues to amaze me. Thank you for sharing such a personal and enlightening story.
Wow,  just for being one hell of a woman.!
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Re: Supreme Court upholds late-term abortion ban
Posted by DebG
Last year, after being diagnosed with a brain tumor, the discussion to end my pregnancy was brought up. My tumor was growing fast and it was a belief of some of the medicial professionals I was consulting with that it was growing so fast due to the increase of hormones in my body from said pregnancy.
To have cancer and be pregnant IS HARD. Forget mentally, that is a whole nother argument in itself. But the pain I endured on a daily basis. When was the last time you spent 75% of your day on your hands and needs, head cupped in your hand CRYING HYSTERICAL in pain...howling so much it made your husband cry because he couldn't help. The pain....so intense for a brief moment in time (as I am completly sane) you derive ways to stop the pain. To all of a sudden have moments of suicidal tendancies because it's too much for you to handle for another 12 weeks. To sit on a fence EVERYDAY and try to choose your life over the life of the baby inside of you...the baby that took you nearly three years to concieve. The baby you obsessed, wished and prayed for 32 months. The baby that lasted when 8 others didn't make it passed 6 weeks.
Does anyone hear KNOW that feeling? Not, ooh Deb, I can only imagine, but does anyone KNOW IT?
NO ONE can tell me I didn't want Joseph, I didn't fight to get pregnant for Joseph of stand up for him everyday of my pregnancy.
Like it or not, late term abortions NEED to stay a viable option. I considered it, that's right I did. In the end, I decided to live with the pain, the pressure, the siezures and everythng that came along with it.
I am one strong and stubborn woman and i feel like I JUST made it thru...others might not be as strong and may need an alternative.
By the way, my tumor did grow while I tried to wait out pregnancy...a tumor I don't have a great shot at beating anyway. I leave a lot of grim stuff out of my posts because I try and stay positive but next time you are pregnant and get diagnosed with someone that IS going to kill you (anywhere from tomorrow thru the next ten years...as no one with as ACC has lasted past 10 years) well than let me know what you think.
I have to tell you....having a grapefruit size tumor wrapped around my carotid artery with the possibility that any day is the day it grows enough to put enough pressure on the artery to shut it down, denying my brain blood and killing me....welll, come talk to me.
Saving my llife should be an option for me.
Thanks for sharing that.
People need to realize not everything is black or white.
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Exactly Deb....some people will never Get it
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Deb...you truly are an inspiration.
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And yet you still believe that you have NOT made a difference in someone's life? You, my dear, are one of the most incredible human beings I've ever known. God Bless you.
Christina-Yes I still believe this. As a new member of an org. advocating for patients rights, I hope that changes soon!
For everyone else  you all give me too much credit. I do have to add that something like this is certainly one of those "you're not sure what you will do until it happens to you" type things.
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| Posted 4/20/07 5:45 PM |
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MrsS2005
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Re: Supreme Court upholds late-term abortion ban
Posted by Woodsy
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by Woodsy
I just don't understand how people can advocate such a procedure on healthy moms and healthy babies. I asked how somebody could be ok with this and didn't receive a response. I posted an article by a pro-abortionist admitting that in the vast majority of cases is done on healthy woman and healthy babies. Almost immediately, I was accused of posting a forged New York Times article. This is what is really scary to me...that people would rather insinuate that the article is a fake rather than admit that there is something wrong with a society that permits this.
I don't remember reading any posts that supported the use of this procedure on healthy women and babies. It's unfortunate if that happens, but as a previous poster mentioned, just b/c people abuse the right to have an abortion doesn't mean everyone should be denied the right, especially if it's less dangerous than other available procedures. The problem is that the Act contains NO health exception. You mention that there's something wrong with a society that permits this type of abortion. IMO, there's something wrong with a society that completely disregards a woman's health.
As for the article you posted, I continue to question the accuracy of the statements. This was a blanket assertion without any facts to support it. This man is a lobbyist who made a statement to fulfill his own personal agenda.
I don't understand this post at all. The ban that was just upheld does contain a health exception for when the mother's life is at risk. If you zealously object to any restrictions on PBA, then by implication you support the right of a healthy woman to have a PBA of a healthy baby. This is what I have the biggest problem with and yet it seems the vast majority of posters believe there should be no restrictions at all.
So, seriously, in your opinion, should a healthy woman with healthy baby be entitled to have a Partial Birth Abortion?
The "lobbyist" you don't want to believe is an ardent pro-choicer. He is the executive director of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers and fully supports the procedure (as stated in the article). So, if he has any "personal agenda," it is certainly not to promote a pro life argument. He was just admitting that he lied and that most PBAs are performed on healthy woman/babies. This NYT article was based upon an article in an AMA publication (an organization that supports PBA), American Medical News.
Have you read the decision or the numerous articles discussing the decision? There is NO health exception. The decision, dissent and numerous articles make this very clear. Yes, there is an exception for the mother's life, but this is different than a health exception.
As I stated before, personally I don't agree with a healthy mother and child having this procedure in the second or third trimester simply b/c she decided she doesn't want to be pregnant anymore. However, I don't think that the procedure should be banned just b/c some women take advantage of it. Women should be allowed to have this procedure if it is safer than other available procedures. This Act does not take a woman's health into account.
As for Ron Fitzsimmons, a former executive director, I read other articles about him which make me question his motives and the truth of what he says. Are there any facts or studies verifying his statements? I haven't read anything that makes him appear credible.
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| Posted 4/20/07 6:15 PM |
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DebG
Pick a cause & stand up for it
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The cure IS worse!
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Re: Supreme Court upholds late-term abortion ban
Posted by MrsS2005
As I stated before, personally I don't agree with a healthy mother and child having this procedure in the second or third trimester simply b/c she decided she doesn't want to be pregnant anymore. However, I don't think that the procedure should be banned just b/c some women take advantage of it. Women should be allowed to have this procedure if it is safer than other available procedures. This Act does not take a woman's health into account.
Good post.
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| Posted 4/21/07 4:49 PM |
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