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hazeleyes33
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Re: talking about judgement ... eating cold cuts, drinking a glass of wine, haing sushi and more
Posted by nov04libride
No doctor would say raw fish in moderation is OK. No doctor would say Subway/Quizno coldcuts not heated up are OK, just as no dr. would say raw cookie dough is OK.
Sometimes there is a grey area, and sometimes there isn't.
To the OP, it sounds like an innocent conversation among women at a shower, some with differing opinions. It's hard if you haven't been PG because you haven't seen/heard from the doctor's mouth.
Maybe because I haven't had a baby in almost 8 years but neither that dr. or my almost 13 yr. old's dr. ever said anything about eating fish or cold cuts.
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Re: talking about judgement ... eating cold cuts, drinking a glass of wine, haing sushi and more
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Posted by nov04libride
No doctor would say raw fish in moderation is OK. No doctor would say Subway/Quizno coldcuts not heated up are OK, just as no dr. would say raw cookie dough is OK.
Sometimes there is a grey area, and sometimes there isn't.
To the OP, it sounds like an innocent conversation among women at a shower, some with differing opinions. It's hard if you haven't been PG because you haven't seen/heard from the doctor's mouth.
Maybe because I haven't had a baby in almost 8 years but neither that dr. or my almost 13 yr. old's dr. ever said anything about eating fish or cold cuts.
I'm sure even 8 years ago raw fish and listeria from cold cuts were an issue, but things have changed even since my last PG 3 years ago. Maybe that's some of the reason for differing opinions. Last time my dr. said no dyeing hair during first tri, and I just got my new packet which said hair dye is OK.
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Re: talking about judgement ... eating cold cuts, drinking a glass of wine, haing sushi and more
Posted by nov04libride
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Posted by nov04libride
No doctor would say raw fish in moderation is OK. No doctor would say Subway/Quizno coldcuts not heated up are OK, just as no dr. would say raw cookie dough is OK.
Sometimes there is a grey area, and sometimes there isn't.
To the OP, it sounds like an innocent conversation among women at a shower, some with differing opinions. It's hard if you haven't been PG because you haven't seen/heard from the doctor's mouth.
Maybe because I haven't had a baby in almost 8 years but neither that dr. or my almost 13 yr. old's dr. ever said anything about eating fish or cold cuts.
I'm sure even 8 years ago raw fish and listeria from cold cuts were an issue, but things have changed even since my last PG 3 years ago. Maybe that's some of the reason for differing opinions. Last time my dr. said no dyeing hair during first tri, and I just got my new packet which said hair dye is OK.
Yep, ITA.
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Re: talking about judgement ... eating cold cuts, drinking a glass of wine, haing sushi and more
Posted by hazeleyes33
Posted by nov04libride
Posted by hazeleyes33
Posted by nov04libride
No doctor would say raw fish in moderation is OK. No doctor would say Subway/Quizno coldcuts not heated up are OK, just as no dr. would say raw cookie dough is OK.
Sometimes there is a grey area, and sometimes there isn't.
To the OP, it sounds like an innocent conversation among women at a shower, some with differing opinions. It's hard if you haven't been PG because you haven't seen/heard from the doctor's mouth.
Maybe because I haven't had a baby in almost 8 years but neither that dr. or my almost 13 yr. old's dr. ever said anything about eating fish or cold cuts.
I'm sure even 8 years ago raw fish and listeria from cold cuts were an issue, but things have changed even since my last PG 3 years ago. Maybe that's some of the reason for differing opinions. Last time my dr. said no dyeing hair during first tri, and I just got my new packet which said hair dye is OK.
Yep, ITA.
Not totally true, My doctor did saw that raw fish was ok in moderation. It was less of an in moderation and more of know the place you get the food. He said that women all over the world (mostly Asia) ate raw fish and if I trusted the source I could enjoy low mercury fish. That said it didn't appeal to me, but there are many doctors that think it's fine. Women in Asia eat raw fish throughout their pregnancy and seem to be just fine.
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Re: talking about judgement ... eating cold cuts, drinking a glass of wine, haing sushi and more
I have i issues about the judgement but to comment on some remarks.
Many asian cultures eat raw seafood food over and over again. Many see it as beneficial for health.
Listeria can be anything not just cold cuts. The last outbreaks were in spinach, milk, eggs, tomatoes, cucumbers and string beans. Sometimes cooking unless you cook it to death you can contract listeria. I had to take a food prep class when I worked at a deli. We also had a listeria outbreak in the case and it was in our salads not the meats. It also tested in produce. So unless you want to cook things beyond recognition you may still get it. It also can be in drinking water (not so much here since we don't have well water or spring water.)
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Re: talking about judgement ... eating cold cuts, drinking a glass of wine, haing sushi and more
Posted by Nifheim
I have i issues about the judgement but to comment on some remarks.
Many asian cultures eat raw seafood food over and over again. Many see it as beneficial for health.
Listeria can be anything not just cold cuts. The last outbreaks were in spinach, milk, eggs, tomatoes, cucumbers and string beans. Sometimes cooking unless you cook it to death you can contract listeria. I had to take a food prep class when I worked at a deli. We also had a listeria outbreak in the case and it was in our salads not the meats. It also tested in produce. So unless you want to cook things beyond recognition you may still get it. It also can be in drinking water (not so much here since we don't have well water or spring water.)
I'm staring at a packet from my hospital.
It says:
-DO NOT EAT RAW OR RARE MEAT OR FISH.
-AVOID ANY SHARK, SWORDFISH, TILE FISH, OR MACKEREL.
-LIMIT SEAFOOD CONSUMPTION TO 12 oz. PER WEEK
-DO NOT EAT ANY IMPORTED SOFT UNPASTEURIZED CHEESES.
-DO NOT EAT FRESHLY SLICED DELI MEATS UNLESS YOU HEAT THEM TO THE POINT OF STEAMING FIRST.
Now, of course this is all cultural. I assume within the US we speak of what is culturally accepted here, and not in Asia or Europe. You can argue til your face turns blue about what they do in other countries, but when you are PG, you need to put faith in your OB, and if mine publishes that it's safer not to eat raw fish, I assume there is reasoning behind that.
Are there dangers with any food? Sure, but especially when PG, I think these rules and guidelines are to limit those risks.
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Re: talking about judgement ... eating cold cuts, drinking a glass of wine, haing sushi and more
i dunno they all claim their doctors said they can have it and its a bunch of tattooed white chicks who crave sushi IoI I don't eat seafood i think its disgusting anyway i just don't understand like I said about the whole judgmental b/s that goes on with it. Your body, your baby you do whatever u want 
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Re: talking about judgement ... eating cold cuts, drinking a glass of wine, haing sushi and more
Posted by itsbabytime
Honestly, I could care less what anyone else wants to do. For me and my baby - I'm not taking any chances. What one person considers overboard another may consider cautious. I can certainly give up coffee, wine, sush and cold cuts for 10 months if there is even a 1 in a gazillion chance it could harm my baby. I have at least 70 yrs to enjoy these things - why take a chance. Is it a small chance - yes. But, anyone who says there is no risk at all is just not educated on the facts.
ITA with everything!!! For me, it's just not worth the risk.
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Re: talking about judgement ... eating cold cuts, drinking a glass of wine, haing sushi and more
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Posted by nov04libride
Posted by hazeleyes33
Posted by nov04libride
No doctor would say raw fish in moderation is OK. No doctor would say Subway/Quizno coldcuts not heated up are OK, just as no dr. would say raw cookie dough is OK.
Sometimes there is a grey area, and sometimes there isn't.
To the OP, it sounds like an innocent conversation among women at a shower, some with differing opinions. It's hard if you haven't been PG because you haven't seen/heard from the doctor's mouth.
Maybe because I haven't had a baby in almost 8 years but neither that dr. or my almost 13 yr. old's dr. ever said anything about eating fish or cold cuts.
I'm sure even 8 years ago raw fish and listeria from cold cuts were an issue, but things have changed even since my last PG 3 years ago. Maybe that's some of the reason for differing opinions. Last time my dr. said no dyeing hair during first tri, and I just got my new packet which said hair dye is OK.
Yep, ITA.
Not totally true, My doctor did saw that raw fish was ok in moderation. It was less of an in moderation and more of know the place you get the food. He said that women all over the world (mostly Asia) ate raw fish and if I trusted the source I could enjoy low mercury fish. That said it didn't appeal to me, but there are many doctors that think it's fine. Women in Asia eat raw fish throughout their pregnancy and seem to be just fine.
I think the suggestions from doctors has changed throughout the years.
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Re: talking about judgement ... eating cold cuts, drinking a glass of wine, haing sushi and more
I just had to chime in about listeria. I don't avoid anything while pregnant (except of course alcohol). Listeria can be found in pretty much anything. If you don't want to expose yourself to it, then you are going to find much to eat, not even vegetables. Many restrictions are put on by doctors because of lawsuits. They need to protect themselves.
I also find it interesting, when a person gives a pregnant person a funny look for eating some cold cuts but then takes a trip to McDonalds. I think I will take the risk with some Turkey over the big mac.
Here is a of some of the foods that carry listeria:
* Ready-to-eat seafood such as smoked fish or mussels, oysters or raw seafood such as sashimi or sushi
* Pre-prepared or pre-packaged fruit and vegetable salads including those available from buffets, salad bars and sandwich bars
* Drinks made from fresh fruit and vegetables where washing procedures are unknown (excluding pasteurised or canned juices)
* Deli meats which are eaten without further cooking or heating, such as pate, ham, Strasbourg (Stras) and salami and cooked and diced chicken (as used in sandwich shops)
* Any unpasteurised milk or foods made from unpasteurised milk
* Soft-serve icecreams
* Soft cheeses, such as brie, camembert, ricotta and feta (these are safe if cooked and served hot)
* Ready-to-eat foods, including leftover meats, which have been refrigerated for more than one day
* Dips and salad dressings in which vegetables may have been dipped
* Raw vegetable garnishes.
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Re: talking about judgement ... eating cold cuts, drinking a glass of wine, haing sushi and more
Posted by katiebug
I just had to chime in about listeria. I don't avoid anything while pregnant (except of course alcohol). Listeria can be found in pretty much anything. If you don't want to expose yourself to it, then you are going to find much to eat, not even vegetables. Many restrictions are put on by doctors because of lawsuits. They need to protect themselves.
I also find it interesting, when a person gives a pregnant person a funny look for eating some cold cuts but then takes a trip to McDonalds. I think I will take the risk with some Turkey over the big mac.
Here is a of some of the foods that carry listeria:
* Ready-to-eat seafood such as smoked fish or mussels, oysters or raw seafood such as sashimi or sushi
* Pre-prepared or pre-packaged fruit and vegetable salads including those available from buffets, salad bars and sandwich bars
* Drinks made from fresh fruit and vegetables where washing procedures are unknown (excluding pasteurised or canned juices)
* Deli meats which are eaten without further cooking or heating, such as pate, ham, Strasbourg (Stras) and salami and cooked and diced chicken (as used in sandwich shops)
* Any unpasteurised milk or foods made from unpasteurised milk
* Soft-serve icecreams
* Soft cheeses, such as brie, camembert, ricotta and feta (these are safe if cooked and served hot)
* Ready-to-eat foods, including leftover meats, which have been refrigerated for more than one day
* Dips and salad dressings in which vegetables may have been dipped
* Raw vegetable garnishes.
I think these are very easy things to avoid eating while pg. There are loads of other things to choose from, this is very limited IMO.
And the senario you bring up isn't comparable IMO, a person giving a "look" to a pg person for eating cold cuts then going into McDonalds. McDonalds, while it may be unhealthy in it's own way, it certainly isnt known for carrying a bacteria that could kill your unborn child.
Whenever you hear about cases of listeria, it never comes from fast food so there is no comparison b/w the two. Listeria is well known in REFRIGERATED or cold foods, such as cold cuts, b/c it thrives in that perfect temp in the frig.
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Re: talking about judgement ... eating cold cuts, drinking a glass of wine, haing sushi and more
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Posted by katiebug
I just had to chime in about listeria. I don't avoid anything while pregnant (except of course alcohol). Listeria can be found in pretty much anything. If you don't want to expose yourself to it, then you are going to find much to eat, not even vegetables. Many restrictions are put on by doctors because of lawsuits. They need to protect themselves.
I also find it interesting, when a person gives a pregnant person a funny look for eating some cold cuts but then takes a trip to McDonalds. I think I will take the risk with some Turkey over the big mac.
Here is a of some of the foods that carry listeria:
* Ready-to-eat seafood such as smoked fish or mussels, oysters or raw seafood such as sashimi or sushi
* Pre-prepared or pre-packaged fruit and vegetable salads including those available from buffets, salad bars and sandwich bars
* Drinks made from fresh fruit and vegetables where washing procedures are unknown (excluding pasteurised or canned juices)
* Deli meats which are eaten without further cooking or heating, such as pate, ham, Strasbourg (Stras) and salami and cooked and diced chicken (as used in sandwich shops)
* Any unpasteurised milk or foods made from unpasteurised milk
* Soft-serve icecreams
* Soft cheeses, such as brie, camembert, ricotta and feta (these are safe if cooked and served hot)
* Ready-to-eat foods, including leftover meats, which have been refrigerated for more than one day
* Dips and salad dressings in which vegetables may have been dipped
* Raw vegetable garnishes.
I think these are very easy things to avoid eating while pg. There are loads of other things to choose from, this is very limited IMO.
And the senario you bring up isn't comparable IMO, a person giving a "look" to a pg person for eating cold cuts then going into McDonalds. McDonalds, while it may be unhealthy in it's own way, it certainly isnt known for carrying a bacteria that could kill your unborn child.
Whenever you hear about cases of listeria, it never comes from fast food so there is no comparison b/w the two. Listeria is well known in REFRIGERATED or cold foods, such as cold cuts, b/c it thrives in that perfect temp in the frig.
Listeria can be found in ANYTHING, especially veggies. The problem is not the cold cuts, the problem is eating cold cuts that are not fresh.
And the McDonald point is that people are concerned with Listeria that is such a slim chance of contracting, but not concerned with nutrition. I honestly do not care in the slightest what people eat when they are pregnant or not pregnant, but they shouldn't give me a look for eating some feta cheese on a salad while they are scarfing down McD's.
Here is what Nuggets are made of:As of October 9, 2010, the ingredients are as follows: Chicken, water, salt, sodium phosphates. Battered and breaded with: bleached wheat flour, water, wheat flour, food starch-modified, salt, spices, wheat gluten, paprika, dextrose, yeast, garlic powder, rosemary, partially hydrogenated soybean oil and cottonseed oil with mono- and diglycerides, leavening (sodium acid pyrophosphate, baking soda, ammonium bicarbonate, monocalcium phosphate), natural flavor (plant source) with extractives of paprika. Prepared in vegetable oil (Canola oil, corn oil, soybean oil, hydrogenated soybean oil with TBHQ and citric acid added to preserve freshness). Dimethylpolysiloxane made of silicone[4] is added as an antifoaming agent.
ETS: Most cases of Listeria can't be traced, so to say people don't get it from fast food, can neither be proven or disproved. But if you can get it from veggies or veggie dip or ice cream etc. I am pretty sure you can get it from a fast food joint
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Re: talking about judgement ... eating cold cuts, drinking a glass of wine, haing sushi and more
I think a lot of people don't see it as giving advice, but rather as a "heads up" in case you didn't know. One of my friends is traveling to Florida this week and was planning on renting a car seat while she was there. I didn't say "I wouldn't do that" or "don't you dare" or anything like that but I did tell her what I've read about renting car seats and how you don't know if they've been in an accident or not. She was very thankful because she never knew about that!
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Re: talking about judgement ... eating cold cuts, drinking a glass of wine, haing sushi and more
Posted by katiebug
ETS: Most cases of Listeria can't be traced, so to say people don't get it from fast food, can neither be proven or disproved. But if you can get it from veggies or veggie dip or ice cream etc. I am pretty sure you can get it from a fast food joint
I understand the problem isn't the cold cuts, it's that they are not fresh enough or weren't refrigerated at the proper temp. But that's what cold cuts are all about, so that's why they get the biggest rep for Listeria.
As for fast foods and listeria....You want to say you can get it from the Ice Cream at McDonalds (soft serve machine), I would agree. Or maybe the lettuce or tomato on a sandwich, I would agree.
But you are not going to get Listeria from fried chicken nuggets or a fried chicken sandwich or french fries. To compare fried foods with feta cheese is just incomparable when we are talking about Listeria.
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Re: talking about judgement ... eating cold cuts, drinking a glass of wine, haing sushi and more
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ETS: Most cases of Listeria can't be traced, so to say people don't get it from fast food, can neither be proven or disproved. But if you can get it from veggies or veggie dip or ice cream etc. I am pretty sure you can get it from a fast food joint
I don't see the comparison. You want to say you can get it from the Ice Cream at McDonalds (soft serve machine), I would agree. Or maybe the lettuce or tomato on a sandwich, I would agree.
But you are not going to get Listeria from fried chicken nuggets or a fried chicken sandwich or french fries. To compare fried foods with feta cheese is just incomparable when we are talking about Listeria.
Maybe I am not being clear. You said you don't get listeria from fast food, but then say you can contract listeria from Mc Donalds, just not from fried food. So then we agree, you CAN get Listeria from Fast Food.
I made the point on nutrition. I am more concerned with nutrition then I am with listeria, hence the feta cheese and chicken nugget comparison.
Through this reasoning that has just been made, the nutrition is lacking at fast food, and unless you stick to ONLY fried food then you are at risk for listeria.
So I will stick to my salad with Feta and you can eat the McDonalds.
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Re: talking about judgement ... eating cold cuts, drinking a glass of wine, haing sushi and more
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ETS: Most cases of Listeria can't be traced, so to say people don't get it from fast food, can neither be proven or disproved. But if you can get it from veggies or veggie dip or ice cream etc. I am pretty sure you can get it from a fast food joint
I don't see the comparison. You want to say you can get it from the Ice Cream at McDonalds (soft serve machine), I would agree. Or maybe the lettuce or tomato on a sandwich, I would agree.
But you are not going to get Listeria from fried chicken nuggets or a fried chicken sandwich or french fries. To compare fried foods with feta cheese is just incomparable when we are talking about Listeria.
Maybe I am not being clear. You said you don't get listeria from fast food, but then say you can contract listeria from Mc Donalds, just not from fried food. So then we agree, you CAN get Listeria from Fast Food.
I made the point on nutrition. I am more concerned with nutrition then I am with listeria, hence the feta cheese and chicken nugget comparison.
Through this reasoning that has just been made, the nutrition is lacking at fast food, and unless you stick to ONLY fried food then you are at risk for listeria.
So I will stick to my salad with Feta and you can eat the McDonalds.
I still don't agree with what you are saying. You can get it from soft serve ice cream (wherever from), or veggies, wherever from. But when people talk about eating fast food, they are generally referring to eating a burger and fries. And while you can get it from veggies, it's generally mostly known in cold cuts, and soft cheeses.
I agree that nutrition is lacking in fast food. Sure. But the point you made that I was referring to was comparing fast food and other pregnancy no no foods (re listeria). And I was making the point that the risk b/w feta cheese and french fries are not comparable at all, in terms of listeria, which can kill an unborn child or preg mom for that matter. I make no reference to health or nutrition of the food, b/c eating that food one time while pg cannot harm your child b/c it lacks excellent nutrition. But eating a listeria risky food like cold cuts or soft cheese ONE time, can kill an unborn child or preg mom. So I just don't see the two comparable. Again, this is putting all other aspects of food aside. We are just talking about what can harm an unborn baby.
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Re: talking about judgement ... eating cold cuts, drinking a glass of wine, haing sushi and more
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ETS: Most cases of Listeria can't be traced, so to say people don't get it from fast food, can neither be proven or disproved. But if you can get it from veggies or veggie dip or ice cream etc. I am pretty sure you can get it from a fast food joint
I don't see the comparison. You want to say you can get it from the Ice Cream at McDonalds (soft serve machine), I would agree. Or maybe the lettuce or tomato on a sandwich, I would agree.
But you are not going to get Listeria from fried chicken nuggets or a fried chicken sandwich or french fries. To compare fried foods with feta cheese is just incomparable when we are talking about Listeria.
Maybe I am not being clear. You said you don't get listeria from fast food, but then say you can contract listeria from Mc Donalds, just not from fried food. So then we agree, you CAN get Listeria from Fast Food.
I made the point on nutrition. I am more concerned with nutrition then I am with listeria, hence the feta cheese and chicken nugget comparison.
Through this reasoning that has just been made, the nutrition is lacking at fast food, and unless you stick to ONLY fried food then you are at risk for listeria.
So I will stick to my salad with Feta and you can eat the McDonalds.
I still don't agree with what you are saying. You can get it from soft serve ice cream (wherever from), or veggies, wherever from. But when people talk about eating fast food, they are generally referring to eating a burger and fries. And while you can get it from veggies, it's generally mostly known in cold cuts, and soft cheeses.
I agree that nutrition is lacking in fast food. Sure. But the point you made that I was referring to was comparing fast food and other pregnancy no no foods (re listeria). And I was making the point that the risk b/w feta cheese and french fries are not comparable at all, in terms of listeria, which can kill an unborn child or preg mom for that matter. I make no reference to health or nutrition of the food, b/c eating that food one time while pg cannot harm your child b/c it lacks excellent nutrition. But eating a listeria risky food like cold cuts or soft cheese ONE time, can kill an unborn child or preg mom. So I just don't see the two comparable. Again, this is putting all other aspects of food aside. We are just talking about what can harm an unborn baby.
Okay, lets take the nutrition aspect out of the equation. It IS possible to contract listeria from fast food. Many people eat veggies from fast food joints, and get ice cream.
So, in my experience, people who give looks for someone eating a turkey sandwich, but then goes and orders McD's, unless it is all fried food, should perhaps not throw stones in a glass house.
Just one more point, I have family in Europe, and they laugh at our restrictions as Listeria is under the category of rare diseases. Their lists are more restrictive of vegetables then anything else, because of bacteria.
Again, to each their own. Where I wouldn't eat a cheese burger or nuggets from a fast food joint, you won't eat a turkey sandwich.
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Re: talking about judgement ... eating cold cuts, drinking a glass of wine, haing sushi and more
Posted by nov04libride
No doctor would say raw fish in moderation is OK.
Actually, a good friend of mine did eat raw fish sushi during pregnancy because her doctor told her it was OK.  She also proceeded to do her own research on the internet to confirm that advice. Something about salt water fish versus lake fish and how one was OK because it didn;t have some specific bacteria in it that was the most dangerous...  I don't know... I judged, albeit silently and personally would never do that myself. But hey, I minded my own business!!!!
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Re: talking about judgement ... eating cold cuts, drinking a glass of wine, haing sushi and more
my doctor also said raw fish from a reputable restaurant was okay in the 3rd trimester and believe me, I ate it weekly!
Also, you are going by the packet that your doctor gave out, but if you looked at the one my doctor had given me at the time, it was completely different. NOTHING about cold cuts being heated until steaming....
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Re: talking about judgement ... eating cold cuts, drinking a glass of wine, haing sushi and more
Posted by maybeamommy
my doctor also said raw fish from a reputable restaurant was okay in the 3rd trimester and believe me, I ate it weekly!
Also, you are going by the packet that your doctor gave out, but if you looked at the one my doctor had given me at the time, it was completely different. NOTHING about cold cuts being heated until steaming....
I was PG three years ago, and I know the coldcuts were a no-no then...But I think it's probably easier for doctors to say no raw fish, no cold cuts, then to create a grey area where we as PG mothers are deciding which restaurants are reputable. I assume we all have very different ideas of what is clean, or reputable. For some, Quiznos may seem OK for cold cuts. So I think easier to err on the side of caution and say none, which is what my OB does, because short of listing a list of restaurants that the OB thinks are OK, the decision is falling on the mother. And I know as much as I'd like to think that the restaurants that I frequent are reputable, I haven't seen the kitchens, KWIM?
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| Posted 8/2/11 8:46 AM |
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sfp0701
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Re: talking about judgement ... eating cold cuts, drinking a glass of wine, haing sushi and more
Oh god. I had someone get on my case because I had a few shrimp on NYE because they are a no no because they are bottom feeders??? I have never heard this and she didn't let it go. On and On. So what did I do? I had another helping of shrimp right in front of her.
People need to shut their traps.
I had caffine, 1/2 glass of wine every once in a while (no sushi but that's because I hate it), I did all the no no's and my child is fine. Just fine.
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| Posted 8/2/11 8:57 AM |
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ali120206
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Re: talking about judgement ... eating cold cuts, drinking a glass of wine, haing sushi and more
Posted by nov04libride
No doctor would say raw fish in moderation is OK. No doctor would say Subway/Quizno coldcuts not heated up are OK, just as no dr. would say raw cookie dough is OK.
Sometimes there is a grey area, and sometimes there isn't.
To the OP, it sounds like an innocent conversation among women at a shower, some with differing opinions. It's hard if you haven't been PG because you haven't seen/heard from the doctor's mouth.
My Dr actually said try to avoid raw fish but, if you have to have it, have it from a reputable place.
For deli meat, she said it as ok if it was fresh and from a reputable place and in moderation.
The only thing she was adamant about me avoiding was alcohol and diet soda.
One of my BFFs has a 5 1/2 year old and is now pregnant with DC #2. She is using the same OB/GYN and was surprised at the change in recommendations - before it was NO to everything, now it's all about moderation (obv no alcohol).
Message edited 8/2/2011 8:59:29 AM.
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| Posted 8/2/11 8:58 AM |
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MarisaK
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Re: talking about judgement ... eating cold cuts, drinking a glass of wine, haing sushi and more
People are by nature going to judge - it would be nice if they kept their mouths shut - but most don't - such is life.
And as far as what your OB tells you - My cousin IS an OB, and what she tells her patients is what she is REQUIRED to tell her patients b/c you have to inform people of every possible thing and ESPECIALLY as an OB, you have to CYA -
She was PG twice, and she didn't always follow her 'own' advice - KWIM? And every Dr. has a different opinion - so, you trust you own Dr. and you trust your own good judgement and you tell everyone else to go to hell ......
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| Posted 8/2/11 9:05 AM |
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Goobster
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Re: talking about judgement ... eating cold cuts, drinking a glass of wine, haing sushi and more
Posted by sfp0701
People need to shut their traps.
I had caffine, 1/2 glass of wine every once in a while (no sushi but that's because I hate it), I did all the no no's and my child is fine. Just fine.
It's all about luck and odds, it's a gamble re your health during pg and your unborn child's health. Good for you that you were lucky your DC turned out fine, but not everyone is. This is what compels people to comment, esp also they may feel responsible to share info they believe may save some heartache on....
Message edited 8/2/2011 9:20:55 AM.
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| Posted 8/2/11 9:18 AM |
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