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The missing boy from Brooklyn
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acm1899
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Re: The missing boy from Brooklyn
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Posted by imagin916
You are right - that is their way of life. I saw it myself just last weekend. Vinny and I went to the Brooklyn Botanic Garden for the day - we got a little turned around driving home and we were in, not sure if it's the same area exactly, but very similar. And it was so remarkable I even said to Vinny - look what a close community this is. They are all like a family, they all walk around together - everyone knows everyone. It is unbelievable. And I even saw kids walking alone and it's just an everyday thing to them. Will this change things a bit? I'm sure. Will they step up with being cautious and worried - absolutely. And if I didn't just drive through this area recently and see it myself I probably would have thought why was this kid alone. It's just strange that I've never been in an area like that in my entire life and then just last weekend I was AND I even commented on it. I was talking to Vin in the car about how it's their own little world and they are all a big close-knit family. What a shame - what a tragedy 
You were most likely in Crown Heights, which is another big Hasidic community. Williamsburg is the other large one in Brooklyn.
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justmefornow
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Re: The missing boy from Brooklyn
Posted by imagin916
First and foremost I am shocked by this tragedy and my prayers go out to the family.
Here's my take on this:
In order to truly appreciate this story, I think you have to understand the neighborhood of Boro Park and the community in general.
An earlier poster said something like "why is this kid allowed to walk home from camp, I have to sign them out", or talking to your kids about strangers since they are old enough to understand. These types of things that are common practices here are NOT common practices in this community. All of the schools and other activities are not concerned with paperwork for lawsuits and all of that stuff that camps/schools/whatever are here because they are all run by the community and include only members of this community, no outsiders allowed.
Anyone who knows Boro Park well knows that its very common to see many small children out on the sidewalks alone at any time of the day. Its probably at least 3-4 times a day I see what I'm assuming the oldest sibling who is probably no older that 11 or 12 walking somewhere with 4 or 5 other siblings, and sometimes even pushing a baby carriage. This is common and in general a safe neighborhood. The families all know each other, and there is a sense of security there.
It is not uncommon to be walking down the sidewalk and notice a car pull up full of Hasidic people and just pick up random people who are also Hasidic in order to give them a ride. Its obvious in these cases that its people wanting to help their neighbors out and the intentions are good, but it is an example of how the children of the community are led to believe that all people of the same faith and group as they are, are good people. It is also known that these children are not taught about strangers in the schools or by parents. To them, there are no strangers in their neighborhood since it's so tight knit.
When I first heard about this story, I knew right away that the abductor was someone from the same community. Many of the children shy away from people who are not from the same community, not because of bias (they are too young to understand that), but because they look for what is familiar to them and modern people appear different from what they are used to. Its possible, although I don't know this to be fact, that this child did not speak english but only yiddish. I think by the time a child is 8 they do speak english but I have seen countless children under 4 or 5 who don't. I'm sure this boy approached this man in particular because he looks like the people he knows or maybe because he thought he spoke yiddish. He had no fear of this man, much to his detriment.
I hope if any good can come out of this horrible tragedy that the parents of Boro Park are going to work together by teaching children about strangers and step up neighborhood patrols.
This makes me so angry (not you but just the concepts and ideas of being a close knit community). It's so naive for people in this or any close knit-community to think this way. We don't know how many children must be being molested or woman being raped, it happens everywhere, there are sickos and psychos everywhere... no matter what religion or close ties or not allowing outsiders in.
Message edited 7/14/2011 11:04:57 AM.
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| Posted 7/14/11 11:01 AM |
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imagin916
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Re: The missing boy from Brooklyn
Posted by justmefornow
This makes me so angry (not you but just the concepts and ideas of being a close knit community). It's so naive for people in this or any close knit-community to think this way. We don't know how many children must be being molested or woman being raped, it happens everywhere, there are sickos and psychos everywhere... no matter what religion or close ties or no letting outsiders in.
It doesn't make sense to us, but they don't live at all like we do. Everything the community does is run by the community itself. The schools, the business they work for or own, everything. The men will interact with outsiders due to business, but the women and children don't usually.
There are a lot of sexual assault and abuse cases that do go on, just as they do in any other neighborhood, but they are dealt with by community leaders in rabbinical courts. The police are only involved when its something as extreme as this or if an outsider notices and contacts police.
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| Posted 7/14/11 11:08 AM |
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MST9106
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Re: The missing boy from Brooklyn
Whats even more disturbing about this whole situation is that the criminal is considered to be "slow" a "misfit" (quoting Daily News). I wonder if his "condition" will make him fit to stand trial. He seems not all there, its like he doesn't realize what he did. This will be another whole issue about such individuals living in our society...
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| Posted 7/14/11 11:08 AM |
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JaydenT
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Re: The missing boy from Brooklyn
I do not mean to offend ANYONE when I post this.
I love that they are so giving to one another in this type of community. However, I have experienced that downfalls of this.They are so tight knit that it is of danger to them. They sometimes do not tolerate different types of people or associate with them (and also very few will treat "others" with disrespect). They think no one in their community can falter. They sometimes have distorted logic.
For instance, on Friday nights until Saturday, they can not turn on or off appliances, lights, etc. My upstairs neighbor knocked on my door one Friday night. She asked if my husband was home (he is not Jewish). I said he was working very late why? She said she forgot to shut her stove off and needs someone who isn't Jewish to turn it off. I told her, it was OK, I would do it. I am not religious and it's OK (I am 100% Jewish). She said "no, I AM NOT OK with it. You are Jewish".
That night I could not sleep thinking the house would burn down (ALONG with her FIVE KIDS!). I kept thinking "isn't she friendly with a neighbor or something?!".
Our surrounding next door neighbors are not Jewish. I found out through the owner of our house that they always end up in fights with the surrounding neighbors because they have such disregard for them.
See, if she was friendly with one NON Jewish person, it would not be a problem.
I still don't know what happened but my house is still there.
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| Posted 7/14/11 11:16 AM |
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HoneyBadger
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Re: The missing boy from Brooklyn
Posted by JaydenT
I do not mean to offend ANYONE when I post this.
I love that they are so giving to one another in this type of community. However, I have experienced that downfalls of this.They are so tight knit that it is of danger to them. They sometimes do not tolerate different types of people or associate with them (and also very few will treat "others" with disrespect). They think no one in their community can falter. They sometimes have distorted logic.
For instance, on Friday nights until Saturday, they can not turn on or off appliances, lights, etc. My upstairs neighbor knocked on my door one Friday night. She asked if my husband was home (he is not Jewish). I said he was working very late why? She said she forgot to shut her stove off and needs someone who isn't Jewish to turn it off. I told her, it was OK, I would do it. I am not religious and it's OK (I am 100% Jewish). She said "no, I AM NOT OK with it. You are Jewish".
That night I could not sleep thinking the house would burn down (ALONG with her FIVE KIDS!). I kept thinking "isn't she friendly with a neighbor or something?!".
Our surrounding next door neighbors are not Jewish. I found out through the owner of our house that they always end up in fights with the surrounding neighbors because they have such disregard for them.
See, if she was friendly with one NON Jewish person, it would not be a problem.
I still don't know what happened but my house is still there.
I agree it is a detriment, to them and those around them. Your experience is a prime example.
There is a case of a missing 14 yr old boy up in Ulster County - he went missing THIS WEEK. He was up there for camp, I'm guessing Yeshiva? Anyway, the camp staff STOOD IN THE WAY of police coming in and using dogs to pick up his scent because they were looking for him themselves.
I understand this is their way, it's their religion and is of the utmost importance but at what cost?
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| Posted 7/14/11 11:26 AM |
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summertime
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Re: The missing boy from Brooklyn
Posted by JaydenT
I do not mean to offend ANYONE when I post this.
I love that they are so giving to one another in this type of community. However, I have experienced that downfalls of this.They are so tight knit that it is of danger to them. They sometimes do not tolerate different types of people or associate with them (and also very few will treat "others" with disrespect). They think no one in their community can falter. They sometimes have distorted logic.
For instance, on Friday nights until Saturday, they can not turn on or off appliances, lights, etc. My upstairs neighbor knocked on my door one Friday night. She asked if my husband was home (he is not Jewish). I said he was working very late why? She said she forgot to shut her stove off and needs someone who isn't Jewish to turn it off. I told her, it was OK, I would do it. I am not religious and it's OK (I am 100% Jewish). She said "no, I AM NOT OK with it. You are Jewish".
That night I could not sleep thinking the house would burn down (ALONG with her FIVE KIDS!). I kept thinking "isn't she friendly with a neighbor or something?!".
Our surrounding next door neighbors are not Jewish. I found out through the owner of our house that they always end up in fights with the surrounding neighbors because they have such disregard for them.
See, if she was friendly with one NON Jewish person, it would not be a problem.
I still don't know what happened but my house is still there.
I dont mean to offend anyone but this is complete insanity to me. I would have called the police. I simply can not even wrap my head around this kind of thinking, someone whould risk hurting their family because of their beliefs???
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| Posted 7/14/11 11:33 AM |
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JaydenT
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Re: The missing boy from Brooklyn
My aunt is religious. But I KNOW if it were her house she'd turn it off and just pray harder (like God would want her to die). Some people just take it to the extreme.
I did go on a tirade once about something and it stopped. The thing is they can be really nice but, us conservative Jews really have had it with the restrictions that are dangerous!
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| Posted 7/14/11 11:43 AM |
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