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casey31
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Re: Third Trimester Abortions - extremely long
Posted by nrthshgrl
For the record, I don't believe people who are against abortion rights to be narrow-minded. I assume that they belive that life begins at conception and believe all life should be protected. For me, I believe that life does not begin at conception, but the potential for life begins at conception. When weighing factors such as a mother's health vs. the potential baby's health, I believe the living, breathing human being's right supercede all rights. I also believe that we need allowances for the quality of life for the baby once it is born. Bringing a child into this world to suffer for its brief time on Earth needs to be the decision of the parents - not the goverment.
Very well said Barbara
thank you for posting this.
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Re: Third Trimester Abortions - extremely long
Posted by puppylove
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this was a great article and I wish more people who are so narrow-mindedly against choice could read it and see what laws like this do to people...
Unfortunately, all choice is in danger of being taken away and put in the back alleys once again...and that scares me...
Why do you consider people who are againts abortions to be narrow-minded? Everyone has there own opinion on every issue effecting the world today, as well as past issues of the world. Peoples opinions do not make them narrow minded, it simply means they have a brain and use it to think and form views.
I understand that it must be a truly horrific and devastating thing to be told your child will either not live or will never be able to have a normal and healthy life. However, I believe life is not for us to decide. (If you are wondering, I AM AGAINTS the death-penalty, as many seem to believe that those usually associated with being anti-abortion are however pro-death penatly.)
True, my husband and I have not been faced with this situation. In fact we do not have children yet. So many will tell me that until I am in that situation, I cannot judge. I disagree...I would not terminate under any circumstance...I know this about myself. Although this decisions is in part a religious belief...it is ALSO most definitely my own free will belief. It is a life, a living breathing life. Not a decisions awaiting to be made.
I am truly sorry for any family who has to deal with this devastating situation. And I do not mean to come off as insensitive to any family who has gone through this and choosen to terminate.
However, I feel that there are too many people in the world defending the rights of the mother, but not of the helpless life growing inside of them.
This battle over who is right in the argument of pro-abortion or anti-abortions will not end. It is a sad fact, but a true fact.
My thoughts go out to any family dealing with this.
Very well said!! I agree!
While I agree that a woman has a right to control her own body, an unborn child is another person and abortion kills that other person. Science confirms this incovenient truth, but a truth nevertheless. At the average time when a woman is aware that she is pregnant (the fifth to sixth week after conception), the baby living inside her is metabolizing nutrition, excreting waste, moving, growing, and doing many other things that non-living things just do not do. At 21 days after conception, the baby’s heart has begun to beat his or her own unique blood-type, often different than the mother’s. At 40 days after conception, brain waves can be read on an EEG.
Medical science already refers to a spontaneous heart rhythm and the presence of brain waves to determine whether someone is alive at the other spectrum of human existence. In simplistic terms, if an organ donor is in an automobile accident and is on life support in a hospital, the physician cannot “pull the plug” and scavenge his organs unless the patient is “brain dead” and his heart is not beating on its own. If the medical community maintained consistency with this generally-accepted medical definition of human life, then we would condemn every abortion after the time when the average woman discovers she is pregnant. Every abortion, by the generally-accepted standards of medical science, kills an innocent human life.
Pro-choicers do not, nor could they, dispute these scientific facts. They just believe that a woman's right to choice somehow trumps a baby's right to life. I think this is a very warped sense of ethics.
I don't understand people who are pro life for themselves but believe that others should be able to abort. That's like saying I wouldn't personally shoot my neighbor but if the guy down the block wants to shoot someone, that is his choice and I can't impose my moral code of ethics on him. That is illogical.
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Redhead
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Re: Third Trimester Abortions - extremely long
Posted by Woodsy
I don't understand people who are pro life for themselves but believe that others should be able to abort. That's like saying I wouldn't personally shoot my neighbor but if the guy down the block wants to shoot someone, that is his choice and I can't impose my moral code of ethics on him. That is illogical.
because i don't know what it is like to be raped, i don't know what it is like to be a victim of incest or abuse...
Because i don't know what it is like to hear that your child is going to have serious medical, physical, mental disabilites....
Because i do NOT have the right to tell someone else what they can and cannot do with their body LEGALLY.....
What about that do YOU not understand?
Message edited 7/3/2006 11:32:29 AM.
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Woodsy
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Re: Third Trimester Abortions - extremely long
Posted by Redhead
Because i do NOT have the right to tell someone else what they can and cannot do with their body LEGALLY.....
What about that do YOU not understand?
My point is that abortion is not doing something to a mother's body...it is doing something to a Baby's body. And they have no voice and are completely defenseless!! The fact that it is LEGAL does not mean it is right.
Also, the fact that a baby has serious mental, or physical disabilities does not make that life less important or entitled to protection.
Abortions resulting from rape or incest account for less than 1% of all abortions...most abortions are performed on healthy babies conceived from consensual relationships.
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Redhead
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Re: Third Trimester Abortions - extremely long
Look.....i am not turning this into yet ANOTHER debate about prolife vs prochoice
you believe what you want...and so will i
i just answered your question
And as someone who takes care the the physically and mentally disabled....if i knew my child was going to have these issues....tot he degree that i deal with almost everyday...
i would have an abortion...
and someone like you isn't going to change that fact...and thankfully will never stop my decision
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maybebaby
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Re: Third Trimester Abortions - extremely long
Posted by Woodsy
Posted by Redhead
Because i do NOT have the right to tell someone else what they can and cannot do with their body LEGALLY.....
What about that do YOU not understand?
My point is that abortion is not doing something to a mother's body...it is doing something to a Baby's body. And they have no voice and are completely defenseless!! The fact that it is LEGAL does not mean it is right.
Also, the fact that a baby has serious mental, or physical disabilities does not make that life less important or entitled to protection.
Abortions resulting from rape or incest account for less than 1% of all abortions...most abortions are performed on healthy babies conceived from consensual relationships.
I think you have summed up my feelings in a much better way that I was able to vocalize earlier. Thank you for what you wrote.
You are right when you say that it is not only doing something to a mothers body...but to a baby's body as well. The baby being the one who is defenseless and having their life end before it had a chance to begin.
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maybebaby
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Re: Third Trimester Abortions - extremely long
Posted by Redhead
Look.....i am not turning this into yet ANOTHER debate about prolife vs prochoice
you believe what you want...and so will i
i just answered your question
And as someone who takes care the the physically and mentally disabled....if i knew my child was going to have these issues....tot he degree that i deal with almost everyday...
i would have an abortion...
and someone like you isn't going to change that fact...and thankfully will never stop my decision
Why is it that you have to roll your eyes or become nasty when someone else expresses an opposing viewpoint? I don't understand that. I think woodsy as well as anyone on thee boards have a right to their opinion, and your first response to her post saying "what is it that YOU don't understand" was uncalled for. I'm sorry, it just bothers me. No one is attacking you or saying your beliefs are wrong, but we all are allowed to express them like adults.
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Redhead
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Re: Third Trimester Abortions - extremely long
Posted by maybebaby
Posted by Redhead
Look.....i am not turning this into yet ANOTHER debate about prolife vs prochoice
you believe what you want...and so will i
i just answered your question
And as someone who takes care the the physically and mentally disabled....if i knew my child was going to have these issues....tot he degree that i deal with almost everyday...
i would have an abortion...
and someone like you isn't going to change that fact...and thankfully will never stop my decision
Why is it that you have to roll your eyes or become nasty when someone else expresses an opposing viewpoint? I don't understand that. I think woodsy as well as anyone on thee boards have a right to their opinion, and your first response to her post saying "what is it that YOU don't understand" was uncalled for. I'm sorry, it just bothers me. No one is attacking you or saying your beliefs are wrong, but we all are allowed to express them like adults.
nasty...i am not nasty...
i was answering a question SHE HAD on the thread
wasn't looking for a debate...
that is why i rolled my eyes
ETA...and for your information i never said anything about people NOT having a right to their opinion...
so do not put me in that role on this thread
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maybebaby
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Re: Third Trimester Abortions - extremely long
YOU are not nasty, i guess i meant the comment seemed nasty. And on a thread like this, i think debates are natural...but when it gets to the point where it SEEMS like attacking another for an opposing viewpoint, well that is where i don't understand it.
No one will ever be in agreeance over this topic, that goes without questions. But I enjoy reading everyone's views...whether or not i agree with them. There is always another viewpoint out there to see, and while it doesn't change my stance on abortion, it does open my eyes as to why they occur.
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Redhead
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Re: Third Trimester Abortions - extremely long
Posted by maybebaby
YOU are not nasty, i guess i meant the comment seemed nasty. And on a thread like this, i think debates are natural...but when it gets to the point where it SEEMS like attacking another for an opposing viewpoint, well that is where i don't understand it.
No one will ever be in agreeance over this topic, that goes without questions. But I enjoy reading everyone's views...whether or not i agree with them. There is always another viewpoint out there to see, and while it doesn't change my stance on abortion, it does open my eyes as to why they occur.
i do understand that...which is why i said pretty much the same thing
i made no comment on her beliefs about prolife...
she asked a specific question and i answered it...since i was in that category of viewpoint...
But what i wasn't looking for is statistics and a debate about it...
she wanted insight...i provided it. I didn't and do not need to feel i have to defend my beliefs to her or anyone here
hence the eyeroll...
she didn't have to agree with it
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Re: Third Trimester Abortions - extremely long
Thank you for posting this article. Although I know it will most certainly spark debate (if it has not already) it is important to know that these situations o come about, no matter how good your intentions can be. I am contantly in touch with persons who suffer (and I do mean suffer) with mental, genetic and developmental conditions that are so far beyond what most people can even imagine. I cannot imagine for myself putting a person through that if the choice could be made. There is such severity involved sometimes that it is not truly a life at all, and no matter how much you might love that child and respect it's life no amount of love can make life easier.
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Shanti
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Re: Third Trimester Abortions - extremely long
This article was very interesting and eye opening. Thank you for posting it.
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nrthshgrl
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Re: Third Trimester Abortions - extremely long
Posted by maybebaby
You are right when you say that it is not only doing something to a mothers body...but to a baby's body as well. The baby being the one who is defenseless and having their life end before it had a chance to begin.
This is off topic since it's a late term abortion thread but you stated a very good point - "the baby...having their life end before it had a chance to begin". Potential life vs Actual life. I've seen too many miscarriages in the first and second trimester to believe it's a life that has rights.
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Re: Third Trimester Abortions - extremely long
I don't know what I would do in this situation and I cannot say what anyone else should do either......I feel very sad for your SIL it must have been very hard for her
Edited for spelling mistake
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Re: Third Trimester Abortions - extremely long
Thank you for sharing that. I had read it before after some friends and I had a huge debate on "partial birth abortions." People were horrified that I didn't think they should be illegal.
I hope it can open people's eyes to the real reason most people have 2nd and 3rd trimester abortions and why they need to be available for those that need them.
I am so sorry for what your SIL had to go through.
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maybebaby
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Re: Third Trimester Abortions - extremely long
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