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GoldenRod
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Vatican urges Obama not to change stem cell policy
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
1:39 PM EST, November 11, 2008
VATICAN CITY - Roman Catholic Church officials are sending messages to U.S. president-elect Barack Obama, saying they will oppose any changes in U.S. policies on embryonic stem cell research.
Cardinal Javier Lozano Barragan, the pope's health minister, on Tuesday reiterated the Vatican's opposition to using embryos for research purposes.
President George W. Bush has issued executive orders limiting federal spending for stem cell research.
But Obama supports relaxing those restrictions. Obama's transition chief John Podesta indicated Sunday that Obama will reverse Bush's orders on embryonic stem cell research.
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MissRadiant
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Re: Vatican urges Obama not to change stem cell policy
oh boy.... And so it begins.
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| Posted 11/11/08 3:42 PM |
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CathyB
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Re: Vatican urges Obama not to change stem cell policy
Not surprising.
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| Posted 11/11/08 3:43 PM |
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PreshusSmurf
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Re: Vatican urges Obama not to change stem cell policy
Posted by GoldenRod
they will oppose any changes in U.S. policies on embryonic stem cell research.
Now, I guess I should start out by saying that I'm Jewish ...
But, IMHO, who the heck cares if the Vatican "opposes any changes in the U.S. policies"
Why would the US government care?
I'm not asking why Catholics care what the Pope or the Vatican have to say ... but why would anyone who ISN'T Catholic care?
I'm really curious ... I'm not trying to be argumentative or confrontational. I really want to know why/how this affects any one who is of a different religion or belief system.
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| Posted 11/11/08 3:48 PM |
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Blu-ize
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Re: Vatican urges Obama not to change stem cell policy
this should be interesting..let's see how it unfolds.
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| Posted 11/11/08 3:48 PM |
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Wendy
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Re: Vatican urges Obama not to change stem cell policy
Posted by PreshusSmurf
But, IMHO, who the heck cares if the Vatican "opposes any changes in the U.S. policies"
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| Posted 11/11/08 3:50 PM |
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Blu-ize
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Re: Vatican urges Obama not to change stem cell policy
really, the Vatican is not the boss of me.
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| Posted 11/11/08 3:50 PM |
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CathyB
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Re: Vatican urges Obama not to change stem cell policy
Posted by PreshusSmurf
Posted by GoldenRod
they will oppose any changes in U.S. policies on embryonic stem cell research.
Now, I guess I should start out by saying that I'm Jewish ...
But, IMHO, who the heck cares if the Vatican "opposes any changes in the U.S. policies"
Why would the US government care?
I'm not asking why Catholics care what the Pope or the Vatican have to say ... but why would anyone who ISN'T Catholic care?
I'm really curious ... I'm not trying to be argumentative or confrontational. I really want to know why/how this affects any one who is of a different religion or belief system.
Maybe because the Vatican is a foreign state they feel like their opinion should have more weight than just a religious opinion? I don't agree with that, but I could see them thinking that way.
I'm a Catholic and this is one of the things I disagree with the Church about. IMO if God gave man the ability to think and find ways to use these cells to help out another man, how is that a bad thing?
Message edited 11/11/2008 3:58:53 PM.
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| Posted 11/11/08 3:52 PM |
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Luv2bAmom
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Re: Vatican urges Obama not to change stem cell policy
Posted by PreshusSmurf
Posted by GoldenRod
they will oppose any changes in U.S. policies on embryonic stem cell research.
Now, I guess I should start out by saying that I'm Jewish ...
But, IMHO, who the heck cares if the Vatican "opposes any changes in the U.S. policies"
Why would the US government care?
I'm not asking why Catholics care what the Pope or the Vatican have to say ... but why would anyone who ISN'T Catholic care?
I'm really curious ... I'm not trying to be argumentative or confrontational. I really want to know why/how this affects any one who is of a different religion or belief system.
Let me start by saying I am a Roman Catholic, but I agree, at some point we need to decide are we going to have a seperation of church and state or our we not.
Where does it end?? Be it Gay marriage, stem cell research or abortion, I think that we keep making laws based on religion, and last I checked this country was not all the same religion.
Message edited 11/11/2008 4:05:20 PM.
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| Posted 11/11/08 3:54 PM |
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Shelly
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Re: Vatican urges Obama not to change stem cell policy
Good for the Vatican.
And many voters feel differently. There is another election in 4 years that the vatican won't be voting in.
We'll see who Obama listens to: his voters or the vatican.
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| Posted 11/11/08 4:02 PM |
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mrsej
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Re: Vatican urges Obama not to change stem cell policy
The Vatican is actually a "city-state". It is the smallest independent state in the world and is recognized as a national territory - Also the Catholic Church is "governed" by the Pope and Catholics make up 1/6 of the world population. The Pope is the monarch of the Vatican, so I guess the Vatican has some influence in the world. The Vatican can only have as much influence as governments let them.
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| Posted 11/11/08 4:03 PM |
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PreshusSmurf
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Re: Vatican urges Obama not to change stem cell policy
Posted by mrsej
The Vatican can only have as much influence as governments let them.
Granted, the population of Catholics in the world is huge especially when compared to other religions.
I guess it all goes back to the discussion of separation of church and state. And it seems that the Vatican doesn't think there should be *any* separation 
I am happy that we elected a President who thinks there should be a separation ...
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| Posted 11/11/08 4:36 PM |
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GioiaMia
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Re: Vatican urges Obama not to change stem cell policy
The Pope has always talked with US presidents and will continue to into the future. He talks with the leaders of many countries. I am not saying that they listen, LOL. But the Vatican always tries to influence the global political community.
And since the VP is Catholic maybe he thinks he has an "in" 
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| Posted 11/11/08 5:18 PM |
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jewels
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Re: Vatican urges Obama not to change stem cell policy
I don't see anything wrong with the Vatican issuing a statement. It's not surprising and is nothing new. Our government can still make its own decisions.
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| Posted 11/11/08 7:55 PM |
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donegal419
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Re: Vatican urges Obama not to change stem cell policy
All they are saying is that they OPPOSE Obama's stance on the issue. I think this is a completely appropriate and necessary thing for them to do. If you disagreed with something, you might write a letter to your Congressman or call, etc. etc. The Vatican represents 1 BILLION people. IMO, it is their DUTY to make known to the leaders of the world their stance on issues, regardless of whether or not the government or person is in agreement. It is important for Obama to know that for MANY of the 77 MILLION Catholics in the country that he is now representing, this is an important issue.
Posted by CathyB
IMO if God gave man the ability to think and find ways to use these cells to help out another man, how is that a bad thing?
The Catholic Church's issue with embryonic stem cell research goes back to their basic stance that life beings at CONCEPTION. The embryo is a human being at its earliest stages and thus they feel that life is being ended. Also embryonic stem cell research is a slippery slope towards cloning and other such scientific endeavors that the Church opposes. The Church however does support adult stem cell research and cells from the umbilical cords after delivery of the baby.
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| Posted 11/11/08 8:55 PM |
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Vatican urges Obama not to change stem cell policy
this wouldn't be the 1st time nor the last that the Vatican "urges" or imposes their beliefs on others.
the Pope I guess feels that he has an obligation to the huge Catholic population to make this kind of statement.
and I am also 100% sure that they don't expect Obama to suddenly change his beliefs.
I honestly have zero opinions about this. like I said, it's not the first time, won't be the last.
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| Posted 11/11/08 9:37 PM |
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donegal419
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Re: Vatican urges Obama not to change stem cell policy
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
this wouldn't be the 1st time nor the last that the Vatican "urges" or imposes their beliefs on others.
the Pope I guess feels that he has an obligation to the huge Catholic population to make this kind of statement.
and I am also 100% sure that they don't expect Obama to suddenly change his beliefs.
Exactly... The Pope has an obligation to the Catholics in this country to state their position. And like any other major religion or group in the world, they share their opinion with major world leaders. I don't get why some people are up in arms about this; the Vatican is not the only group that does this.
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| Posted 11/11/08 9:49 PM |
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PreshusSmurf
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Re: Vatican urges Obama not to change stem cell policy
Posted by donegal419
The Pope has an obligation to the Catholics in this country to state their position.
But its not like their position on this subject is NEWS to anyone.
Posted by donegal419
the Vatican is not the only group that does this.
I am sure they are not the only group that does this ...
But, IMHO, the Vatican and the Catholic League almost always have something to say about every single issue.
And its their right to express their beliefs and stances on issues. I'm not suggesting they don't have a right.
I guess it would be nice to *not* hear from them sometimes
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| Posted 11/11/08 9:52 PM |
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donegal419
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Re: Vatican urges Obama not to change stem cell policy
Posted by PreshusSmurf
Posted by donegal419
The Pope has an obligation to the Catholics in this country to state their position.
But its not like their position on this subject is NEWS to anyone.
Posted by donegal419
the Vatican is not the only group that does this.
I am sure they are not the only group that does this ...
But, IMHO, the Vatican and the Catholic League almost always have something to say about every single issue.
And its their right to express their beliefs and stances on issues. I'm not suggesting they don't have a right.
I guess it would be nice to *not* hear from them sometimes
I don't think that's fair at all to say. to many, believe it or not, their stance on the issue is NOT news to everyone. Nancy Pelosi is a perfect example. She sat there on Meet the Press as a Catholic and started spouting off INCORRECT information about the Church's stance on abortion. Obviously, the correct stance was not news to her. Another example is when you have people like Rudy Giuliani lying to the Cardinal and then receiving communion, the Church needs to come out and say something. If the Vatican does not come out with a stance or an opinion, you would be surprised at the number of people that truly do NOT understand what the Church believes on the issue. Politicians are notorious for being misinformed on these issues. again, the Vatican represents over 50 MILLION people in the U.S. and over 1 BILLION worldwide. these are issues that are at the very crux of our faith and they should not be ignored. granted, should or will the government act on what the Church believes, no of course not... but to say that they are too vocal, I don't think that's very fair.
ETA: This post is in no way meant to be confrontational, Jess! I am just trying to show the other side of the story.
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| Posted 11/11/08 10:06 PM |
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Jackie24
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Re: Vatican urges Obama not to change stem cell policy
Posted by Shelly
Good for the Vatican.
And many voters feel differently. There is another election in 4 years that the vatican won't be voting in.
We'll see who Obama listens to: his voters or the vatican.
Seriously! Who gives a rats arse what the vatican thinks.
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| Posted 11/11/08 10:14 PM |
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donegal419
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Re: Vatican urges Obama not to change stem cell policy
Posted by Jackie24
Posted by Shelly
Good for the Vatican.
And many voters feel differently. There is another election in 4 years that the vatican won't be voting in.
We'll see who Obama listens to: his voters or the vatican.
Seriously! Who gives a rats arse what the vatican thinks.
The Vatican is NOT saying he has to listen to them...that's not the point. if you read my above post, the point is to inform him of the belief system of many of the over 50 million of his constituents.
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| Posted 11/11/08 10:17 PM |
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PreshusSmurf
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Re: Vatican urges Obama not to change stem cell policy
Posted by donegal419
I don't think that's fair at all to say. to many, believe it or not, their stance on the issue is NOT news to everyone. Nancy Pelosi is a perfect example. She sat there on Meet the Press as a Catholic and started spouting off INCORRECT information about the Church's stance on abortion. Obviously, the correct stance was not news to her. Another example is when you have people like Rudy Giuliani lying to the Cardinal and then receiving communion, the Church needs to come out and say something. If the Vatican does not come out with a stance or an opinion, you would be surprised at the number of people that truly do NOT understand what the Church believes on the issue. Politicians are notorious for being misinformed on these issues. again, the Vatican represents over 50 MILLION people in the U.S. and over 1 BILLION worldwide. these are issues that are at the very crux of our faith and they should not be ignored. granted, should or will the government act on what the Church believes, no of course not... but to say that they are too vocal, I don't think that's very fair.
Well ... I've never been a fan of Pelosi ... now I just have 1 more reason.
And as for Guiliani ... I don't think there's an honest politician out there, so hearing this doesn't surprise me. But I don't think that has much to do with what I'm saying anyway. I think that's a whole other thread.
And we can agree to disagree on whether the Church is "too vocal" or "just making sure that everyone knows what their stance is on the issues". It wouldn't be the first time 
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| Posted 11/11/08 10:22 PM |
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donegal419
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Re: Vatican urges Obama not to change stem cell policy
Posted by PreshusSmurf
Well ... I've never been a fan of Pelosi ... now I just have 1 more reason.
And as for Guiliani ... I don't think there's an honest politician out there, so hearing this doesn't surprise me. But I don't think that has much to do with what I'm saying anyway. I think that's a whole other thread.
And we can agree to disagree on whether the Church is "too vocal" or "just making sure that everyone knows what their stance is on the issues". It wouldn't be the first time
I agree that Pelosi, Guiliani and all that is a total different issue and could lead to a whole different thread--- I just used them as an example of WHY the Church has to come and out and say to governments around the world what their stances are. Otherwise, they are misconstrued and incorrectly interpreted to the public by those particular governments and/or politicians.
and we can definitely agree to disagree!
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| Posted 11/11/08 10:25 PM |
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Diane
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Re: Vatican urges Obama not to change stem cell policy
I agree
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Re: Vatican urges Obama not to change stem cell policy
Posted by GoldenRod
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
1:39 PM EST, November 11, 2008
VATICAN CITY - Roman Catholic Church officials are sending messages to U.S. president-elect Barack Obama, saying they will oppose any changes in U.S. policies on embryonic stem cell research.
Cardinal Javier Lozano Barragan, the pope's health minister, on Tuesday reiterated the Vatican's opposition to using embryos for research purposes.
President George W. Bush has issued executive orders limiting federal spending for stem cell research.
But Obama supports relaxing those restrictions. Obama's transition chief John Podesta indicated Sunday that Obama will reverse Bush's orders on embryonic stem cell research.
I think the way this article is worded is very interesting. There was no "urging" really going on. In fact it's very vague as to how it happened that the Cardinal "reiterated" the church's stance on stem cell research. My guess is the statement by Obama's transition chief was made first and the Vatican's press office was then called for comment. As their comment, they simply reiterated the church's stance. Doesn't seem like there were any messages sent!
Anyway, Obama is well aware of the Catholic opposition on this issue - I don't think he's now going to say Gee, I didn't think of that, you're right, I won't change the legislation now! 
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