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jellybean78
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Re: Virus question
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If Trump encouraged mask wearing from the beginning and did a total US shut down, we wouldn’t be here and he probably would have had a second term.
Do you really believe this? LOL
Our own health experts don't even know what type of guidance to give yet you expect Trump or even Biden for that matter to have control.
The CDC and Fauci have flip flopped so much on this virus that they have lost credibility and the confidence of the American public. Between them and the governors that keep moving the goal post now the Delta variant it's no wonder people are so skeptical.
Also didn't Trump initially tried to close travel from China except he was called....wait for it..RACIST by a bunch of Dems who then paraded themselves around crowded Chinatown in NYC encouraging people to go it and do their thing right at the start of COVID. NYC ended up being ground zero for COVID.
I think by far and large a good majority of Americans were locked down, we social distanced, we masked up, we took precautions and yet here we are 18 months later no end in sight.
Even the states that took the most tyrannical measures are still experiencing COVID. Vaccines have been here for months and a bunch of states have a high vaccination rate, but yet COVID is still spreading amongst the vaccinated and unvaccinated. Look at countries like Israel that have almost a 70% vaccination rate and yet they too are seeing a spike in COVID positive people.
Unfortunately this is a respiratory virus and I believe it just needs to play its course. I also believe COVID is not going away we need to learn how to live with it. Continue to develop the vaccine and find ways to lessen the symptoms for those that do fall very ill.Lockdowns and mandating masks forever is not the way.
I do! I blame the mask divisiveness on him. He has a LOT of people who look to him as a god. He mocked masks, discredited their effectiveness, and to My knowledge hasn’t come out and admitted he’s vaccinated. If he encouraged mask wearing, his disciples might have done their part. Instead, people flat out defied common sense.
Honestly hold the TDS a little.
Yes he has some followers that are kooky and go against common sense but overall by far and large most Americans, Trump supporters included, wore mask during the height of this pandemic and a bunch of them are indeed vaccinated.
Let's acknowledge that Trump was the one who initiated operation warp speed which pushed vaccines and made them happen so quickly. Him and most of his family have happily admitted they are vaccinated and they are proud of the quick vaccine rollouts. This is just common knowledge so I'm not sure where you are getting your information from. Lets not forget that Harris and Biden amongst other dems went on record saying that they wouldn't trust and would never get a vaccine rolled out during the Trump administration. This is a huge part of the vaccine hesitancy that a lot of minority communities are up against right now and a big part of the reason a lot of people haven't pulled the trigger on getting vaccinated.
And I'm sorry but this virus has nothing to do with Trump or his followers. It has everything to do with a deadly virus whose origins have yet to be officially determined but whose presence has affected literally every single human being on this planet. The quicker we can understand and rollout effective and safe treatments and vaccines to end this the better we will all be. Blaming Trump at this point just makes you look a little delusional 
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Jenhos
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Re: Virus question
Posted by MissJones
Posted by jellybean78
Posted by MissJones
If Trump encouraged mask wearing from the beginning and did a total US shut down, we wouldn’t be here and he probably would have had a second term.
Do you really believe this? LOL
Our own health experts don't even know what type of guidance to give yet you expect Trump or even Biden for that matter to have control.
The CDC and Fauci have flip flopped so much on this virus that they have lost credibility and the confidence of the American public. Between them and the governors that keep moving the goal post now the Delta variant it's no wonder people are so skeptical.
Also didn't Trump initially tried to close travel from China except he was called....wait for it..RACIST by a bunch of Dems who then paraded themselves around crowded Chinatown in NYC encouraging people to go it and do their thing right at the start of COVID. NYC ended up being ground zero for COVID.
I think by far and large a good majority of Americans were locked down, we social distanced, we masked up, we took precautions and yet here we are 18 months later no end in sight.
Even the states that took the most tyrannical measures are still experiencing COVID. Vaccines have been here for months and a bunch of states have a high vaccination rate, but yet COVID is still spreading amongst the vaccinated and unvaccinated. Look at countries like Israel that have almost a 70% vaccination rate and yet they too are seeing a spike in COVID positive people.
Unfortunately this is a respiratory virus and I believe it just needs to play its course. I also believe COVID is not going away we need to learn how to live with it. Continue to develop the vaccine and find ways to lessen the symptoms for those that do fall very ill.Lockdowns and mandating masks forever is not the way.
I do! I blame the mask divisiveness on him. He has a LOT of people who look to him as a god. He mocked masks, discredited their effectiveness, and to My knowledge hasn’t come out and admitted he’s vaccinated. If he encouraged mask wearing, his disciples might have done their part. Instead, people flat out defied common sense.
Ok. Let’s say you are right and Trumps divisiveness made the virus worse. We now have a vaccine that has been around for months. Biden taking credit for getting the virus under control. Now the numbers are ticking up. Still grumps fault? What is Biden doing to get it back under control?
And Trump did say he was vaccinated. And was encouraging it.
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mommy2devin
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It's odd to me how quick some people are to blame immigrants for any uptick in COVID cases yet don't seem to put any blame on the countless thousands of Americans who refuse to get themselves vaccinated. We're our own problem, there is little blame to be placed elsewhere as far as I am concerned.
ETA - Biden has been pushing hard to encourage vaccination. If people won't vaccinate or follow any CDC guidelines what else can we do? As far as Trump, his failing was NOT delivering a cohesive, strong and NON DIVISIVE message regarding COVID and it's threat.
I am not putting all the blame on them, but it is odd, how they are so worried about this new strain, but letting people come over during a pandemic. Are they vaccinating them? Are they doing what they did when immigrants came through Ellis Island? What are they doing when they come over? Are they testing them, and if so, what are they doing if they test positive? Sorry, these are answers the American people should know,
Maybe they are being vaccinated. Everyone is simply assuming nothing is being done but perhaps that isn't the case.
But again, I am FAR less concerned about immigrants then I am my fellow Americans who are wandering around pretending like COVID isn't a threat to our public health and thinking they know better than literally every doctor, scientist, infectious disease expert and medical journal.
Like I said, we're our own problem...........not immigrants.
Immigrants ARE our problem now as they are around everyone else just as much as your fellow American.
Do you think they come into the country and just form their own community and see no one else but whom they came with?
You don't believe in vaccines for anyone so why are YOU worried about unvaccinated immigrants being around you?
To my own point, the immigrant population is a FAR smaller population of people compared to the LARGE population of moron Americans in this country running around not giving a cr@p about COVID, whining about masks and refusing vaccines. Immigrants are the LEAST of my worries. We're self destructing as a nation without any "help" from the dreaded, diseased and sick immigrants some are so fearful of.
Please do NOT put words in my mouth as I NEVER said that. Trying to make me look bad is not going to work.
Go look up to see how many have crossed the border and let me know "small" you consider that to be.
I am not afraid of anyone, so you should really put in your post, "in general". I do agree though that they can be part of the problem.
I don't need to *try* to make you look bad, you do a fine job of that all on your own every time you post your nonsense. 
And we ALL know where you stand on vaccines as you haven't shut up about it for MONTHS on end so this little game you're playing today here and on FHF of "am I vaccinated, am I not" and pretending like you believe in vaccines is falling on deaf ears.
And again, immigrants aren't the problem. They are just an easy scapegoat.
I would think you would be NICER since your hubby came home.
Do you have some kind of social ineptitude? Is that why you are unable to carry on a conversation with ANYONE on here without bringing up details about their personal life? It's an odd problem you seem to have especially when nobody ever brings up your DH, kids, house, job, etc. The way you harp on people's lives makes you come across as a very unhappy, insecure and envious individual. I pity you.
But back to the discussion at hand...................
NOBODY has ever brought up my personal life? Wow, you have a very bad memory.
If I was unhappy, insecure and envious I would be cursing people out and calling them names and acting like a bully towards them. 
Right... you always take the high road.. like stalking and posting peronal tidbits of information on the boards for all to see. Why do you get off on the stalking thing?
You are just upset that you lied and got caught. Sorry the search engine is so easy to use here.
OMG, where did I lie? Did I SAY I didn't ever live in St. Louis AREA???? Not sure what you are getting off on here.
And maybe don't be so quick to throw stones.. VB/WINDY/HAZEL.. whoever else you are but claim NOT to be. You're a joke.
I don't know what you get out of a board that is mainly for people from NY and started as a resource for that.
Don't they have boards in the mid-west that would be more appropriate for your area?
Does that matter? Should we not post here? Do you have issue with MANY others who post that aren't local any longer? Or just me b/c I can't stand your BS? You never seem to call out klingklang... but maybe that's b/c you choose to use her past posts about very sensitive peronal issues against her instead. As long as you have SOMETHING to prove you are a crazy stalker, that is what you get stuck on. I will continue to post and call out your BS b/c at this point I will do it JUST so you can continue to harp on that when nobody else gives two sh**s. Find something else to come back with, you're ridiculous.
You must not read all the posts as I HAVE called out KK, especially when she attacked all the parents on this board when the pandemic started.
People HAVE questioned why she even posts about things on the island when she doesn't live here anymore and we get, because her parents are still there.
Do you have ANY ties to LI?
Nope. I choose NOT to waste my time stalking. We can leave that task to you, although you aren’t near as good as it as you try to insinuate you are with your passive aggressive comments to only certain posters. To each their own. You have to realize though that you are no victim here. You chose this path by being creepy stalker chic with 5, 6, 7, who knows how many, different profiles.
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JennP
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Re: Virus question
I haven't read every response and don't have time to address every aspect but to applaud Trump for operation warp speed is half the story.
First, that was a no brainer. Second, and more importantly, to get the vaccine manufactured but refuse to allocate the money for the distribution and administration of the vaccine so he could punish blue states was one of the most reprehensible things he did.
Thousands of people died in the winter because of his inaction.
It's indefensible.
When people use the letters TDS they lose all credibility with me. The Bushes or Reagan - whom I lump together because they are the modern Republican presidents with similar policies and whom I all loathed as Prez to varying degrees - all at least had a modicum of interest in the job, respect for our democratic traditions, and empathy towards fellow Americans. Trump has none of any of that, and it's not abnormal or "deranged" to think the worst because he's in a class by himself.
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