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Porrruss
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Re: What do u believe? POLL Autism
Posted by Dulcinea
I posted this link in another thread but thought I'll share here too. I've read this research paper from Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:
Deadly Immunity
I won't be surprised there's some truth to it. Ie. the pharmaceutical and medical community is covering up information. Imagine the panic and the money in lawsuit costs if all the parents with autistic kids come out and demand monetary compensation.
Not to mention the loss in revenue from these vaccines.
I know this is a hot topic right now so can only say that it's up to you to believe what you want. I feel that until the truth is revealed that we should be cautious of what we allow into our child's body.
I quickly skimmed his paper, but I didn't see anywhere that explains WHY autism is still on the rise, even though there hasn't been any thimerisol in vaccines since the early 2000s.
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dpli
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Re: What do u believe? POLL Autism
Posted by Dulcinea
Also, I heard 4/5 doctors actually don't vaccinate their child. Hm....
Sorry, I don't believe this at all.....
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| Posted 4/27/08 2:15 PM |
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dandr10199
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Re: What do u believe? POLL Autism
I wish there was a maybe option to your poll, I do not feel that there is enough evidence to prove yes or no just yet.
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CalendarGirl16
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Re: What do u believe? POLL Autism
I honetly am not sure what I believe. But when looking at it from another point of view I got all my shots, as did DH, as did my mom and her brother, as did DH's nieces and nephews and siblings and NONE of us have autism so when looking it at like that there is no way that the shots itself could have caused autism. Not saying that they don't have an effect and have some part in it for certain children however I think that there is so much more to it then that. Some children may have had signs that were ignored or not seen because the parents/caregivers did not know to look for them and became more obvious (coincedentally after their shots)... in all reality no one really knows and that is the sad truth to it all.
I'm absolutely terrified of it because I teach children with Autism and yet I have no idea how I will handle it if at 18 months my already very social daughter (almost 2 months old now ) disappears - as I have heard too many parents say - but I know that no matter what happens I will still love her and look towards the many parents whose children that I know have autism for support. I just pray that one of these days they do find the real cause because I'm sorry but 1/150 ratio and getting smaller by the day just doesn't work for me. For all we know in the next 10 years it will be 1/50 and then what every other child. It really has to be something.
*** I sincerely apologize if I have upset anyone with any of my comments, I did not intend to do so, I am just apologizing ahead of time because I feel so strongly on this subject that I do tend to start going on and on and I understand fully that others have an entirely different view on the whole subject and I respect that, so again please do not take anything I said to offense.
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Melbernai
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Re: What do u believe? POLL Autism
Posted by dpli
Posted by Dulcinea
Also, I heard 4/5 doctors actually don't vaccinate their child. Hm....
Sorry, I don't believe this at all.....
I've actually overheard my doc speaking to a few sets of parents over the 2.5 years that I've been bringing my daughter there ---- it's a small office and you can sometimes hear him talking to parents in the next room. He has always said that with his 3 children --- he always chose to vaccinate them. I don't really know how accurate the 4/5 doctors thing is. I'd like to see the source of that.
As far as my opinion about whether or not the MMR causes autism, I really dont' know. I have a close friend who's son has Autism and she SWEARS that it was caused by the MMR. She is very active in programs and support groups for children and their families with Autism, and she feels that after speaking with so many families and hearing so many stories, that it is connected.
Personally, I do agree with others that you have to have a genetic predisposition for it, and that there can be many triggers and not just one that bright out the symptoms that lead to a diagnosis.
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| Posted 4/27/08 4:14 PM |
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Samlove
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Re: What do u believe? POLL Autism
No I dont. I think that it is just that Autism begins to surface around the same time the MMR is given at 18 months because thats when language really begins and the children really becaome for "independent: as they appraoch 2
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jules
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Re: What do u believe? POLL Autism
Posted by Samlove
No I dont. I think that it is just that Autism begins to surface around the same time the MMR is given at 18 months because thats when language really begins and the children really becaome for "independent: as they appraoch 2
actually they are recognizing signs more and more earlier these days. And i think that if some parents were honest with themselves they would be able to tell you that they did see signs prior to the shots. Not all by any means but some. As did my friend whose son who is autistic and her sister had a son with Asperger's
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| Posted 4/27/08 5:55 PM |
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Lillykat
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Re: What do u believe? POLL Autism
No I don't believe that it causes autism - and for those that mentioned it - there isn't any thimerisol in the shots anymore - so that is no longer the concern. Maybe if you have a genetic link in your family the shot might bring something out but I don't believe it is the cause. But I do feel strongly that there is some sort of genetic connection.
Honestly I do think the numbers are partly going up b.c of the rise in diagnosing children who were passed over in the past. I think they are much quicker to diagnose and label kids these days than they were 5,10, 20 years ago. Even the number of kids now who are labeled with ADHD - I can think of several people who made it thru school but come college time were actually diagnosed with ADHD.
Also I think there was a time when there was a stigma attached to labeling - so many parents didn't realize the importance of getting early intervention - so more kids might have gone undiagnosed who would be diagnosed with a mild form of autism today.
Also, I think as parents it is very difficult to accept the fact that your child is somehow different - and might need services. I think sometimes people say there was no indications before the shot but if someone other than a parent who is too close to the situation were to step in - they might have seen some red flags prior to the diagnosis. I applaud those parents who do recognize the need for early intervention and are strong enough to get out there and get their children the services they need.
Etd to add - I definitely don't believe that 4/5 doctors haven't vaccinated their children - Where did you get these statistics from? Are these MD's, DOs, Drs of chiropratic medicine?
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Goldi0218
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Re: What do u believe? POLL Autism
I don't believe it. I think the criteria for diagnoses has changed and children are classified differently than they were years ago.
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jules
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Re: What do u believe? POLL Autism
Posted by Goldi0218
I don't believe it. I think the criteria for diagnoses has changed and children are classified differently than they were years ago.
SO SO TRUE
People want to think it is at such a HUGE rise in the population. But IMO i really think that due to the misdiagnoses of the past, the numbers are heavily skewed
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| Posted 4/27/08 6:05 PM |
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Re: What do u believe? POLL Autism
I'm sure everyone knows where I stand on this, but I don't believe in the connection...
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chelle
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Re: What do u believe? POLL Autism
Posted by Dulcinea
I don't think one particular shot causes autism.
The combination of multiple shots given at the same time to a young child who may be more susceptible to developing austism spectrum disorders may lead to autism.
These days the fact that a child is given 36 shots before they are 3, while we were given less than 10, do suggest that immunization may cause the problem.
Also, the rate of autism in Japan is significant lower than in the US per 1000 births. One reason is because Japan don't vaccinate their child until after 5. I think that speaks volume about whether we should be immunizing our child so early.
Also, I heard 4/5 doctors actually don't vaccinate their child. Hm....
I've done alot of research about this and just had to shed some light on this topic.
ITA and I think environment and genetics also play a part.
I think there are a few things that tie in with one another.
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bella
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Re: What do u believe? POLL Autism
Posted by chelle
Posted by Dulcinea
I don't think one particular shot causes autism.
The combination of multiple shots given at the same time to a young child who may be more susceptible to developing austism spectrum disorders may lead to autism.
These days the fact that a child is given 36 shots before they are 3, while we were given less than 10, do suggest that immunization may cause the problem.
Also, the rate of autism in Japan is significant lower than in the US per 1000 births. One reason is because Japan don't vaccinate their child until after 5. I think that speaks volume about whether we should be immunizing our child so early.
Also, I heard 4/5 doctors actually don't vaccinate their child. Hm....
I've done alot of research about this and just had to shed some light on this topic.
ITA and I think environment and genetics also play a part.
I think there are a few things that tie in with one another.
I completely agree with all of the above. It is disgusting that the CDC allows children today to get so many shots ,regardless of whether it triggers autism or not. Clearly, it is not healthy and IMO not in the best interest of a childs health, despite what so many doctors might say, speciifcally why I chose a doctor that understands my point of view. My child will not have this many shots at all in a short time frame. That may not prevent him from getting autism but I will do everything in my power even if there is a small chance to prevent it. I don't think you can compare what we got as kids and what kids today get in the way of shots as they are so drastically different now.
An important consideration in my choices is also the CDC recently admitted that autism was triggered by shots in the Hannah Pollong case, due to the fact she had an underlying mithochondria disorder....this was ruled in court, so I therefore believe if my child has a similiar mothochondria condition which I may not yet aware of, couldn't this happen to him as well, if I follow the recommended schedule...that to me is frightening and quite frankly I am amzaed that more parents are not shouting form the rooftops for more studies done on that.
It does sound like quite a number of people here work with children who are on the specturm and know a great deal so I always enjoy reading these posts as they are informative but I don't think anyone here can say definitely one way or the other as no one knows what the connection is .
I have definitely learned a lot from these boards about this topic and know it is somewhat of a hot topic but I will add I have talked to a great deal of people who delay or all out abstain from vaccinations and don't see many people on these boards that do. It is so personal a choice and with risks involved but overall it may not just be doctors out there that abstain form shots, there are many, many parents taking this route as well.
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christy
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Re: What do u believe? POLL Autism
Posted by 5ofClubs
I think if the child has some sort of genetic predisposition then the MMR can bring autism out in that child.
This is how I feel too, but who knows really.
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| Posted 4/27/08 8:40 PM |
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GoldenRod
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Re: What do u believe? POLL Autism
There is scientific proof, anecdotal proof (even Jenny McArthy said in an interview that a lot of "character quirks" that she thought were cute in her son, wound up being early signs of autism.... months before the shot). Many countries that don't have vaccines still have a relatively high amount of autism. They are discovering signs earlier and earlier. They are finding genetic signs in many studies. At this point, I have to believe that it is a predisposed genetic cause.  I just hope that they find the gene,"cure", diagnosis, etc. fairly soon. This is an epidemic, and needs to be solved. Ironically, the "fix" may possibly be a vaccination shot.....
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CrankyPants
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Re: What do u believe? POLL Autism
I don't really know, but I do know of the dangers of not vaccinating so my DD gets everything on time at the recommended schedule.
On a side note, I am skeptical of any theory that claims to have an answer upfront, and then does the research to "prove" the theory. This generally means the data is biased and flawed. Instead, the theory should state the problem and let the research dictate the answer.
I also think all this research around a connection between autism and vaccines is unfortunately narrowing the scope of finding the true cause of the condition itself. What if it has nothing to do with vaccines? Then we have wasted time and funding trying to prove a theory that is wrong and delayed the research around the actual cause-and delaying this discovery by several years.
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Ang-Rich
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Re: What do u believe? POLL Autism
No
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GoldenRod
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Re: What do u believe? POLL Autism
Posted by CrankyPants
I also think all this research around a connection between autism and vaccines is unfortunately narrowing the scope of finding the true cause of the condition itself. What if it has nothing to do with vaccines? Then we have wasted time and funding trying to prove a theory that is wrong and delayed the research around the actual cause-and delaying this discovery by several years.
This is my biggest issue with people blaming vaccines. All of those researchers who are spending all of their time repeatedly disproving the vaccine-autism connection could be much more helpful if they were looking for other causes. Even if what they are looking into winds up being wrong, at least they are narrowing down possibilities, and eliminating things.
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Kidsaplenty
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partyof6
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Re: What do u believe? POLL Autism
Posted by 5ofClubs
I think if the child has some sort of genetic predisposition then the MMR can bring autism out in that child.
that is my opinion
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MsMBV
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Re: What do u believe? POLL Autism
I do not think that the MMR causes Autism. However, not unlike with cancer patients, I think that if a child is somewhat pre-disposed somehow for a condition, things like early vaccinations, fevers, and certain foods can exacerbate any underlying conditions, and even bring some symptoms to the surface.
I also think personally there are higher risks for other things, like febrile seizures and over-medication for symptoms that are a result of side-effects that are more prevalent.
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| Posted 4/28/08 9:29 AM |
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Mrs
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Re: What do u believe? POLL Autism
nope..
all the studies i read show no link.
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| Posted 4/28/08 9:30 AM |
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Re: What do u believe? POLL Autism
Posted by lastchance1222
Posted by 5ofClubs
I think if the child has some sort of genetic predisposition then the MMR can bring autism out in that child.
that is my opinion
It is my opionion that a child already predisposed to a genetic disorder may be worse w/out any vaccines.
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| Posted 4/28/08 9:31 AM |
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DRMom
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Re: What do u believe? POLL Autism
Posted by Dulcinea
I posted this link in another thread but thought I'll share here too. I've read this research paper from Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:
Deadly Immunity
I won't be surprised there's some truth to it. Ie. the pharmaceutical and medical community is covering up information. Imagine the panic and the money in lawsuit costs if all the parents with autistic kids come out and demand monetary compensation.
Not to mention the loss in revenue from these vaccines.
I know this is a hot topic right now so can only say that it's up to you to believe what you want. I feel that until the truth is revealed that we should be cautious of what we allow into our child's body.
WOW! That is very concerning. Thanks for posting.
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SweetTooth
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Re: What do u believe? POLL Autism
Posted by jules
Posted by Goldi0218
I don't believe it. I think the criteria for diagnoses has changed and children are classified differently than they were years ago.
SO SO TRUE
People want to think it is at such a HUGE rise in the population. But IMO i really think that due to the misdiagnoses of the past, the numbers are heavily skewed
I also agree with this. I do not think there is a link between vaccines and autism. I think there has been a shift in the way children are diagnosed with diseases and disorders.
I have also read a study that there may be a possible link between the father's age and autism, but that would be a whole different debate.
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