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Re: What is your suggestion
Posted by Christine2
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Schools should reopen with smaller class sizes, elimination of assemblies, children stay in their classrooms for lunch, etc. Even in higher grades it may mean restructuring so the same students stay with the same "honors" classes.
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Who is deciding which 10 kids per class get to go to school then? you can't just click your fingers and make class sizes smaller..where are the rest of the kids going?
See this is the "you can't" attitude I'm talking about. There are classes in my DC's school that are inclusion with 2 teachers per class...."click your fingers" and you get 2 classes of 10. I think classes of 15 would be acceptable as well. Make class periods smaller, less "prep" periods for the older levels and voila, you have more teachers. Why is it always this red tape that stops people from thinking outside the box??? Exactly what I AM TALKING ABOUT!!
Many schools are filled to capacity, so even if you have enough staff to split the classes, where are you putting them?
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Re: What is your suggestion
Posted by Christine2
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Posted by Christine2
Schools should reopen with smaller class sizes, elimination of assemblies, children stay in their classrooms for lunch, etc. Even in higher grades it may mean restructuring so the same students stay with the same "honors" classes.
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Who is deciding which 10 kids per class get to go to school then? you can't just click your fingers and make class sizes smaller..where are the rest of the kids going?
See this is the "you can't" attitude I'm talking about. There are classes in my DC's school that are inclusion with 2 teachers per class...."click your fingers" and you get 2 classes of 10. I think classes of 15 would be acceptable as well. Make class periods smaller, less "prep" periods for the older levels and voila, you have more teachers. Why is it always this red tape that stops people from thinking outside the box??? Exactly what I AM TALKING ABOUT!!
First off kids are mandated to have those tow teachers on IEP's which are legal documents which schools can get in trouble for not following and sued - but let's say all parents in those rooms agree to forgo those services. What rooms are you putting this new class you just created in?
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Re: What is your suggestion
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You do realize that other states are in much better shape, don’t you? We still have close to 2300 people dying each week....
This. Exactly this. Almost every other state closed schools, how could anyone expect ours to open?
I thought it was crazy southern states with less volume are opening.
Homes in Georgia are affordable and taxes are a lot less. It could be a great option for everyone looking to move. Just don’t risk me or my family’s life on your way out.
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What is your suggestion
I think when it started to go sour for me is when DiBlasio announced on April 11th that NYC public schools would not reopen until September, and Cuomo said that wasn't true and DiBlasio couldn't make that call because he was the governor and we won't know where we will be in June. It was mid April, at that point we were in way worse shape than we are today. He knew that there was no way it was safe to send children back to school in June. But he needed to be the one to say it, because it had to be done regionally. Well, neither NJ nor CT have announced schools being closed through September yet. There goes that. That day is when I realized he is on a power trip. He could not let DiBlasio be the one who got credit for making the right decision to keep schools closed. And I can't stand DiBlasio, I hate giving him credit of any kind- but in this case, I agreed with him. Schools in Wisconsin closed for the year for crying out loud, and they have very few cases. There was no reason for him to not announce this weeks sooner. The anxiety of not knowing was worse than actually knowing.
I think all most people want is some kind of hope. Every single day is doomsday- there is never one iota of positive. Instead of thanking the people of NY for doing our part, he says "it's working so don't be arrogant and stupid ans stop". It's not always what you say, it's how you say it. You can acknowledge the loss and the tragedy while still celebrating the triumphs. You can give us even some sort of timeline...instead we get "upstate NY will start Phase 1 on May 15th. Downstate NY will not reopen anytime soon." What does that even mean? 6 months? 12 months? The 12th of never?
I am fine with us having to stay like this through May, and even June. I am not demanding to open up now, I don't think we should. But give us something. You lock up a region and then give them no hope, no light at the end of the tunnel, people will crack.
A little girl in my class is starving. Her parents are immigrants, her mother does not work because her daughter is very low functioning ASD. Dad was laid off, not working right now. I myself have bought them food and delivered it, as has my principal and other parents. The mother sobs that she can't feed her babies. Needs her husband to go back to work so she can take care of her girls. These people had nothing before, and now, they have less than nothing. So when a governor stands up there and basically says that families like this do not matter- just go get an essential job, as long as they don't have this virus, then yes, that enrages me. Call it displaced, but it's real.
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Re: What is your suggestion
Posted by Christine2
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Posted by Christine2
Schools should reopen with smaller class sizes, elimination of assemblies, children stay in their classrooms for lunch, etc. Even in higher grades it may mean restructuring so the same students stay with the same "honors" classes.
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Who is deciding which 10 kids per class get to go to school then? you can't just click your fingers and make class sizes smaller..where are the rest of the kids going?
See this is the "you can't" attitude I'm talking about. There are classes in my DC's school that are inclusion with 2 teachers per class...."click your fingers" and you get 2 classes of 10. I think classes of 15 would be acceptable as well. Make class periods smaller, less "prep" periods for the older levels and voila, you have more teachers. Why is it always this red tape that stops people from thinking outside the box??? Exactly what I AM TALKING ABOUT!!
I’m sorry and I mean no disrespect but have you stepped foot inside a school other than the one your children might go to?
Walk into one of the overcrowded schools in NYC and let me know how you’d make it possible to have kids in classes of 30 sit 6 feet away from each other.
There are several buildings on a Good day that have trailers functioning as classrooms for already overcrowded school
And if they start staggering days and times, and sibling A is now in school for different hours than sibling B when they go to the same school, how are parents arranging for child care
If the school day is longer for the people that work in the building , are they getting paid to be there longer
If kids sit and wait in cafeterias for their turn to learn , are the janitors going to be able to disinfect the whole cafeteria while the kids change classes
How about the traffic in the hallways
Did you have a plan for the middle and high school kids teachers paras related service providers and administrators who rely on public transportation getting back and forth
There is a whole lot to consider
We all hate this whole thing
But thinking outside the box isn’t just coming up with ideas. You gotta be safe and keep all these kids and families safe too
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Re: What is your suggestion
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Posted by Christine2
Posted by NicoleF219
Posted by Christine2
Schools should reopen with smaller class sizes, elimination of assemblies, children stay in their classrooms for lunch, etc. Even in higher grades it may mean restructuring so the same students stay with the same "honors" classes.
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Who is deciding which 10 kids per class get to go to school then? you can't just click your fingers and make class sizes smaller..where are the rest of the kids going?
See this is the "you can't" attitude I'm talking about. There are classes in my DC's school that are inclusion with 2 teachers per class...."click your fingers" and you get 2 classes of 10. I think classes of 15 would be acceptable as well. Make class periods smaller, less "prep" periods for the older levels and voila, you have more teachers. Why is it always this red tape that stops people from thinking outside the box??? Exactly what I AM TALKING ABOUT!!
I’m sorry and I mean no disrespect but have you stepped foot inside a school other than the one your children might go to?
Walk into one of the overcrowded schools in NYC and let me know how you’d make it possible to have kids in classes of 30 sit 6 feet away from each other.
There are several buildings on a Good day that have trailers functioning as classrooms for already overcrowded school
And if they start staggering days and times, and sibling A is now in school for different hours than sibling B when they go to the same school, how are parents arranging for child care
If the school day is longer for the people that work in the building , are they getting paid to be there longer
If kids sit and wait in cafeterias for their turn to learn , are the janitors going to be able to disinfect the whole cafeteria while the kids change classes
How about the traffic in the hallways
Did you have a plan for the middle and high school kids teachers paras related service providers and administrators who rely on public transportation getting back and forth
There is a whole lot to consider
We all hate this whole thing
But thinking outside the box isn’t just coming up with ideas. You gotta be safe and keep all these kids and families safe too
This is the problem. Schools are overcrowded already. This is going to me a massive undertaking in figuring how to implement social distancing. Then you have to take into account that kids who haven’t seen each other in 6 months the first thing they will do is run up to each other and hug and start touching each other’s faces...
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What is your suggestion
Beyond extra cleaning, masks, probably not much.
I've read some ideas that offer an opt in/out system. Parents have the choice to send. As you can see just from these boards, you'd probably get at least half. Teachers would also opt in or out.
For those who opt out, distance learning would continue.
Social distancing would need to happen as much as possible outside of school. The only people a child should be coming in contact with would be their immediate family members, their teacher and their classmates.
I don't know how this would work exactly, I'm just reporting what I have heard elsewhere.
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Re: What is your suggestion
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by Christine2
"Displaced rage"
No,, I have rage against asinine ideas to keep the economy, adults and children shuttered inside their homes for months on end.
From the beginning, I have said, the older and those with pre-existing conditions should shelter in place.
Now that we've ALL sheltered for 30 days, then yes, Phase I reopening needs to begin. YES, the numbers will increase, that is expected. Mitigation was never intended to ELIMINATE the damn virus, just lessen the numbers requiring immediate hospitalizations.
You need to reopen the economy now! Non essential businesses should open. Masks, social distancing as best possible should be implemented. Schools should reopen with smaller class sizes, elimination of assemblies, children stay in their classrooms for lunch, etc. Even in higher grades it may mean restructuring so the same students stay with the same "honors" classes.
So many things can be done. It is insane to continue on this way. How many parents actually think their children are learning anything? How many people think teleworking is as effective as going to work? There are so many solutions every industry can be taking if we THINK OUTSIDE THE DAMN BOX.
If I hear that saving even one life is worth it and having NO PLAN(!!!) makes sense I think my eyes will roll right off my head.
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I agree with you in theory but it takes time to implement these plans. If you want to make classes smaller, where are they going. We don't have an empty classroom in our schools. Maybe have them do "shifts" but they you still need time to implement bus changes. Are we having kids wear masks all day? Basically, the teachers will be fixing masks all day for the younger grades. In older grades, are you having a custodian in each lab room ready to disinfect each piece of equipment after each class. Are they eating lunch? There can be no masks then? Then you have to deal with the Teacher's Union.
If they open up businesses are people going to adhere to wearing their masks. People are already rebelling about that. You can see that from the Commack mess that happened today.
There are many solutions but they take time to implement. That is why he was holding off on canceling school because he was trying to let the schools get prepared, which they are still not. After his announcement today, there were hundreds of calls to our administrative office asking a million questions they don't have answers for yet.
I actually am appalled with teachers unions right now, and feel like they’ve done nothing other than harm the education of our children during this.
A lot of what you mentioned could be transitioned during the summer, but how many unions would agree to that?
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Re: What is your suggestion
Posted by blu6385
I was all for Cuomo and how he was handling this.
I loved the daily updates and truth telling the numbers. Now he is pisssing me off
The numbers have gone down. Other states are opening. He has to give an actual real plan with dates on when we are opening.
It is not going to go away and if he thinks we should wait to open till we get a vaccine then i think he is crazy!! Natural hed immunity will happen and before anyone says well it can mutate or you can get it again. IF thats true a vaccine will do nothing and then what for the next months and years we cant go anywhere ?!! Thanks but no thanks!!
He should be outlying a fing plan already so we know.
At this point I feel like now he is just trying to win some political battle no matter how much he wants to say he isnt!!
give me a plan thats what I want. Other states have plans we should have one too.
This exactly.
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Re: What is your suggestion
Posted by Christine2
Posted by NicoleF219
Posted by Christine2
Schools should reopen with smaller class sizes, elimination of assemblies, children stay in their classrooms for lunch, etc. Even in higher grades it may mean restructuring so the same students stay with the same "honors" classes.
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Who is deciding which 10 kids per class get to go to school then? you can't just click your fingers and make class sizes smaller..where are the rest of the kids going?
See this is the "you can't" attitude I'm talking about. There are classes in my DC's school that are inclusion with 2 teachers per class...."click your fingers" and you get 2 classes of 10. I think classes of 15 would be acceptable as well. Make class periods smaller, less "prep" periods for the older levels and voila, you have more teachers. Why is it always this red tape that stops people from thinking outside the box??? Exactly what I AM TALKING ABOUT!!
There are literally not enough classrooms in most school buildings to do this. Every single room is used every single period.
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Re: What is your suggestion
Posted by Naturalmama
I think when it started to go sour for me is when DiBlasio announced on April 11th that NYC public schools would not reopen until September, and Cuomo said that wasn't true and DiBlasio couldn't make that call because he was the governor and we won't know where we will be in June. It was mid April, at that point we were in way worse shape than we are today. He knew that there was no way it was safe to send children back to school in June. But he needed to be the one to say it, because it had to be done regionally. Well, neither NJ nor CT have announced schools being closed through September yet. There goes that. That day is when I realized he is on a power trip. He could not let DiBlasio be the one who got credit for making the right decision to keep schools closed. And I can't stand DiBlasio, I hate giving him credit of any kind- but in this case, I agreed with him. Schools in Wisconsin closed for the year for crying out loud, and they have very few cases. There was no reason for him to not announce this weeks sooner. The anxiety of not knowing was worse than actually knowing.
I think all most people want is some kind of hope. Every single day is doomsday- there is never one iota of positive. Instead of thanking the people of NY for doing our part, he says "it's working so don't be arrogant and stupid ans stop". It's not always what you say, it's how you say it. You can acknowledge the loss and the tragedy while still celebrating the triumphs. You can give us even some sort of timeline...instead we get "upstate NY will start Phase 1 on May 15th. Downstate NY will not reopen anytime soon." What does that even mean? 6 months? 12 months? The 12th of never?
I am fine with us having to stay like this through May, and even June. I am not demanding to open up now, I don't think we should. But give us something. You lock up a region and then give them no hope, no light at the end of the tunnel, people will crack.
A little girl in my class is starving. Her parents are immigrants, her mother does not work because her daughter is very low functioning ASD. Dad was laid off, not working right now. I myself have bought them food and delivered it, as has my principal and other parents. The mother sobs that she can't feed her babies. Needs her husband to go back to work so she can take care of her girls. These people had nothing before, and now, they have less than nothing. So when a governor stands up there and basically says that families like this do not matter- just go get an essential job, as long as they don't have this virus, then yes, that enrages me. Call it displaced, but it's real.
I agree 100%
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Re: What is your suggestion
Posted by mommywantsababy
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by Christine2
"Displaced rage"
No,, I have rage against asinine ideas to keep the economy, adults and children shuttered inside their homes for months on end.
From the beginning, I have said, the older and those with pre-existing conditions should shelter in place.
Now that we've ALL sheltered for 30 days, then yes, Phase I reopening needs to begin. YES, the numbers will increase, that is expected. Mitigation was never intended to ELIMINATE the damn virus, just lessen the numbers requiring immediate hospitalizations.
You need to reopen the economy now! Non essential businesses should open. Masks, social distancing as best possible should be implemented. Schools should reopen with smaller class sizes, elimination of assemblies, children stay in their classrooms for lunch, etc. Even in higher grades it may mean restructuring so the same students stay with the same "honors" classes.
So many things can be done. It is insane to continue on this way. How many parents actually think their children are learning anything? How many people think teleworking is as effective as going to work? There are so many solutions every industry can be taking if we THINK OUTSIDE THE DAMN BOX.
If I hear that saving even one life is worth it and having NO PLAN(!!!) makes sense I think my eyes will roll right off my head.
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I agree with you in theory but it takes time to implement these plans. If you want to make classes smaller, where are they going. We don't have an empty classroom in our schools. Maybe have them do "shifts" but they you still need time to implement bus changes. Are we having kids wear masks all day? Basically, the teachers will be fixing masks all day for the younger grades. In older grades, are you having a custodian in each lab room ready to disinfect each piece of equipment after each class. Are they eating lunch? There can be no masks then? Then you have to deal with the Teacher's Union.
If they open up businesses are people going to adhere to wearing their masks. People are already rebelling about that. You can see that from the Commack mess that happened today.
There are many solutions but they take time to implement. That is why he was holding off on canceling school because he was trying to let the schools get prepared, which they are still not. After his announcement today, there were hundreds of calls to our administrative office asking a million questions they don't have answers for yet.
I actually am appalled with teachers unions right now, and feel like they’ve done nothing other than harm the education of our children during this.
A lot of what you mentioned could be transitioned during the summer, but how many unions would agree to that?
Explain to me how teachers have harmed the education of children during this. Just because they aren't in their classrooms doesn't mean they aren't working - or are you mad because you have to support your kids in learning?
Or is it because they aren't going to agree to let their members work in potentially harmful and deadly conditions?
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Re: What is your suggestion
I despise Cuomo (for many reasons, I wish not to discuss on here), however, I think he has been doing a great job handling things during this pandemic. As a teacher I am very sad about the schools closing , however I think it was the right decision.
Can I ask the people who think school should open with smaller class sizes, how would you do that> You would have to hire more teachers. Where would the kids eat lunch for the schools on the secondary level? That may work for elementary schools.
Can I ask , how has the teacher unions harmed education...please explain?
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Re: What is your suggestion
Posted by NicoleF219
Posted by mommywantsababy
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by Christine2
"Displaced rage"
No,, I have rage against asinine ideas to keep the economy, adults and children shuttered inside their homes for months on end.
From the beginning, I have said, the older and those with pre-existing conditions should shelter in place.
Now that we've ALL sheltered for 30 days, then yes, Phase I reopening needs to begin. YES, the numbers will increase, that is expected. Mitigation was never intended to ELIMINATE the damn virus, just lessen the numbers requiring immediate hospitalizations.
You need to reopen the economy now! Non essential businesses should open. Masks, social distancing as best possible should be implemented. Schools should reopen with smaller class sizes, elimination of assemblies, children stay in their classrooms for lunch, etc. Even in higher grades it may mean restructuring so the same students stay with the same "honors" classes.
So many things can be done. It is insane to continue on this way. How many parents actually think their children are learning anything? How many people think teleworking is as effective as going to work? There are so many solutions every industry can be taking if we THINK OUTSIDE THE DAMN BOX.
If I hear that saving even one life is worth it and having NO PLAN(!!!) makes sense I think my eyes will roll right off my head.
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I agree with you in theory but it takes time to implement these plans. If you want to make classes smaller, where are they going. We don't have an empty classroom in our schools. Maybe have them do "shifts" but they you still need time to implement bus changes. Are we having kids wear masks all day? Basically, the teachers will be fixing masks all day for the younger grades. In older grades, are you having a custodian in each lab room ready to disinfect each piece of equipment after each class. Are they eating lunch? There can be no masks then? Then you have to deal with the Teacher's Union.
If they open up businesses are people going to adhere to wearing their masks. People are already rebelling about that. You can see that from the Commack mess that happened today.
There are many solutions but they take time to implement. That is why he was holding off on canceling school because he was trying to let the schools get prepared, which they are still not. After his announcement today, there were hundreds of calls to our administrative office asking a million questions they don't have answers for yet.
I actually am appalled with teachers unions right now, and feel like they’ve done nothing other than harm the education of our children during this.
A lot of what you mentioned could be transitioned during the summer, but how many unions would agree to that?
Explain to me how teachers have harmed the education of children during this. Just because they aren't in their classrooms doesn't mean they aren't working - or are you mad because you have to support your kids in learning?
Or is it because they aren't going to agree to let their members work in potentially harmful and deadly conditions?
Lol- yep. I was seeing red when I read “done nothing other than harm the education of our children”
If you have concerns about your child’s education did you reach out to their teachers?
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Re: What is your suggestion
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I despise Cuomo (for many reasons, I wish not to discuss on here), however, I think he has been doing a great job handling things during this pandemic. As a teacher I am very sad about the schools closing , however I think it was the right decision.
Can I ask the people who think school should open with smaller class sizes, how would you do that> You would have to hire more teachers. Where would the kids eat lunch for the schools on the secondary level? That may work for elementary schools.
Can I ask , how has the teacher unions harmed education...please explain?
I don't think that schools should open now however I do think that they should open in September and I have a very bad feeling that they won't.
I think on the elementary level there are solutions - such as eating lunch and having "recess" in the classrooms. We did this in Catholic School. Teachers took turns walking around the hallways and monitoring 4 classrooms at a time so you didn't need an actual teacher in the classroom at all times. Since we already have lunch aids they could do the same, walk the hallways and monitor the classes while the teachers get a break.
I think that middle school would need to change to look more like an elementary school. Teachers might have to rotate classrooms while all the students stay in the same room. Some teachers might need to teach multiple subjects.
High school is a completely different problem but I think that you can eliminate lunch and maybe have a staggered day. There would probably have to be a lot more independent work done at home. Potentially shorter or rotated days.
You would also need to require as many parents as are able to provide transportation for their children instead of using the buses and save buses for the children who absolutely need busing. Staggered start times so that it eliminate mass amounts of children in the halls at once.
Increased janitorial staff cleaning the school. And teachers will have to work longer and harder. Parents will as well. It has to be a communal effort but this is for the sake of our children and our next generation. I have ALWAYS been completely anti teacher's unions although I don't think that they have done anything wrong in this particular situation but these are different times. This is not a time where a teacher can say "It's not my job to wipe down a desk, I don't have time and you won't understand because you aren't a teacher."
City schools and the city in general is going to have increased issues but because the city has issues does not mean that schools across the state need to continue to shut down.
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Re: What is your suggestion
Posted by anonymoususer
Posted by NicoleF219
Posted by mommywantsababy
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by Christine2
"Displaced rage"
No,, I have rage against asinine ideas to keep the economy, adults and children shuttered inside their homes for months on end.
From the beginning, I have said, the older and those with pre-existing conditions should shelter in place.
Now that we've ALL sheltered for 30 days, then yes, Phase I reopening needs to begin. YES, the numbers will increase, that is expected. Mitigation was never intended to ELIMINATE the damn virus, just lessen the numbers requiring immediate hospitalizations.
You need to reopen the economy now! Non essential businesses should open. Masks, social distancing as best possible should be implemented. Schools should reopen with smaller class sizes, elimination of assemblies, children stay in their classrooms for lunch, etc. Even in higher grades it may mean restructuring so the same students stay with the same "honors" classes.
So many things can be done. It is insane to continue on this way. How many parents actually think their children are learning anything? How many people think teleworking is as effective as going to work? There are so many solutions every industry can be taking if we THINK OUTSIDE THE DAMN BOX.
If I hear that saving even one life is worth it and having NO PLAN(!!!) makes sense I think my eyes will roll right off my head.
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I agree with you in theory but it takes time to implement these plans. If you want to make classes smaller, where are they going. We don't have an empty classroom in our schools. Maybe have them do "shifts" but they you still need time to implement bus changes. Are we having kids wear masks all day? Basically, the teachers will be fixing masks all day for the younger grades. In older grades, are you having a custodian in each lab room ready to disinfect each piece of equipment after each class. Are they eating lunch? There can be no masks then? Then you have to deal with the Teacher's Union.
If they open up businesses are people going to adhere to wearing their masks. People are already rebelling about that. You can see that from the Commack mess that happened today.
There are many solutions but they take time to implement. That is why he was holding off on canceling school because he was trying to let the schools get prepared, which they are still not. After his announcement today, there were hundreds of calls to our administrative office asking a million questions they don't have answers for yet.
I actually am appalled with teachers unions right now, and feel like they’ve done nothing other than harm the education of our children during this.
A lot of what you mentioned could be transitioned during the summer, but how many unions would agree to that?
Explain to me how teachers have harmed the education of children during this. Just because they aren't in their classrooms doesn't mean they aren't working - or are you mad because you have to support your kids in learning?
Or is it because they aren't going to agree to let their members work in potentially harmful and deadly conditions?
Lol- yep. I was seeing red when I read “done nothing other than harm the education of our children”
If you have concerns about your child’s education did you reach out to their teachers?
She is saying the TEACHER'S UNION have done nothing but harm. Not the individual teachers.
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NicoleF219
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Re: What is your suggestion
Posted by lululu
Posted by anonymoususer
Posted by NicoleF219
Posted by mommywantsababy
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by Christine2
"Displaced rage"
No,, I have rage against asinine ideas to keep the economy, adults and children shuttered inside their homes for months on end.
From the beginning, I have said, the older and those with pre-existing conditions should shelter in place.
Now that we've ALL sheltered for 30 days, then yes, Phase I reopening needs to begin. YES, the numbers will increase, that is expected. Mitigation was never intended to ELIMINATE the damn virus, just lessen the numbers requiring immediate hospitalizations.
You need to reopen the economy now! Non essential businesses should open. Masks, social distancing as best possible should be implemented. Schools should reopen with smaller class sizes, elimination of assemblies, children stay in their classrooms for lunch, etc. Even in higher grades it may mean restructuring so the same students stay with the same "honors" classes.
So many things can be done. It is insane to continue on this way. How many parents actually think their children are learning anything? How many people think teleworking is as effective as going to work? There are so many solutions every industry can be taking if we THINK OUTSIDE THE DAMN BOX.
If I hear that saving even one life is worth it and having NO PLAN(!!!) makes sense I think my eyes will roll right off my head.
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I agree with you in theory but it takes time to implement these plans. If you want to make classes smaller, where are they going. We don't have an empty classroom in our schools. Maybe have them do "shifts" but they you still need time to implement bus changes. Are we having kids wear masks all day? Basically, the teachers will be fixing masks all day for the younger grades. In older grades, are you having a custodian in each lab room ready to disinfect each piece of equipment after each class. Are they eating lunch? There can be no masks then? Then you have to deal with the Teacher's Union.
If they open up businesses are people going to adhere to wearing their masks. People are already rebelling about that. You can see that from the Commack mess that happened today.
There are many solutions but they take time to implement. That is why he was holding off on canceling school because he was trying to let the schools get prepared, which they are still not. After his announcement today, there were hundreds of calls to our administrative office asking a million questions they don't have answers for yet.
I actually am appalled with teachers unions right now, and feel like they’ve done nothing other than harm the education of our children during this.
A lot of what you mentioned could be transitioned during the summer, but how many unions would agree to that?
Explain to me how teachers have harmed the education of children during this. Just because they aren't in their classrooms doesn't mean they aren't working - or are you mad because you have to support your kids in learning?
Or is it because they aren't going to agree to let their members work in potentially harmful and deadly conditions?
Lol- yep. I was seeing red when I read “done nothing other than harm the education of our children”
If you have concerns about your child’s education did you reach out to their teachers?
She is saying the TEACHER'S UNION have done nothing but harm. Not the individual teachers.
Ok so how? How is the teachers union harming education? But fighting for schools to have been closed in NYC? For not demanding schools be opened? In what concrete ways?
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Posted by lululu
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Posted by Christine2
"Displaced rage"
No,, I have rage against asinine ideas to keep the economy, adults and children shuttered inside their homes for months on end.
From the beginning, I have said, the older and those with pre-existing conditions should shelter in place.
Now that we've ALL sheltered for 30 days, then yes, Phase I reopening needs to begin. YES, the numbers will increase, that is expected. Mitigation was never intended to ELIMINATE the damn virus, just lessen the numbers requiring immediate hospitalizations.
You need to reopen the economy now! Non essential businesses should open. Masks, social distancing as best possible should be implemented. Schools should reopen with smaller class sizes, elimination of assemblies, children stay in their classrooms for lunch, etc. Even in higher grades it may mean restructuring so the same students stay with the same "honors" classes.
So many things can be done. It is insane to continue on this way. How many parents actually think their children are learning anything? How many people think teleworking is as effective as going to work? There are so many solutions every industry can be taking if we THINK OUTSIDE THE DAMN BOX.
If I hear that saving even one life is worth it and having NO PLAN(!!!) makes sense I think my eyes will roll right off my head.
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I agree with you in theory but it takes time to implement these plans. If you want to make classes smaller, where are they going. We don't have an empty classroom in our schools. Maybe have them do "shifts" but they you still need time to implement bus changes. Are we having kids wear masks all day? Basically, the teachers will be fixing masks all day for the younger grades. In older grades, are you having a custodian in each lab room ready to disinfect each piece of equipment after each class. Are they eating lunch? There can be no masks then? Then you have to deal with the Teacher's Union.
If they open up businesses are people going to adhere to wearing their masks. People are already rebelling about that. You can see that from the Commack mess that happened today.
There are many solutions but they take time to implement. That is why he was holding off on canceling school because he was trying to let the schools get prepared, which they are still not. After his announcement today, there were hundreds of calls to our administrative office asking a million questions they don't have answers for yet.
I actually am appalled with teachers unions right now, and feel like they’ve done nothing other than harm the education of our children during this.
A lot of what you mentioned could be transitioned during the summer, but how many unions would agree to that?
Explain to me how teachers have harmed the education of children during this. Just because they aren't in their classrooms doesn't mean they aren't working - or are you mad because you have to support your kids in learning?
Or is it because they aren't going to agree to let their members work in potentially harmful and deadly conditions?
Lol- yep. I was seeing red when I read “done nothing other than harm the education of our children”
If you have concerns about your child’s education did you reach out to their teachers?
She is saying the TEACHER'S UNION have done nothing but harm. Not the individual teachers.
Ok so how? How is the teachers union harming education? But fighting for schools to have been closed in NYC? For not demanding schools be opened? In what concrete ways?
By limiting what teachers are able to do to teach right now. There is at least one district on Long Island in which the union negotiated a two hour work day for teachers. Two hours! That’s absurd. The experience I have, with my daughter’s school, is that the teachers are not doing enough. I was given a bunch of word salad when I questioned it, and when I talked to administration, was told they’re doing 1-5 sessions of professional development a day. That’s simply unnecessary.
And fwiw, I am a teacher. I’m not working right now bc of my babies, but I have a substantial amount of experience. I’ve presented at conferences on educational technology. I am someone who would actually know what I’m talking about.
And no, it’s not that I don’t want to teach my child. I actually think that as a whole, schools don’t do a sufficient job educating students in the best of times, and supplement the curriculum ALWAYS to make sure my children are learning to their individual fullest potential.
Yet, I stand by that the teacher UNIONS on Long Island are impeding a lot of what is going on. I don’t expect people to return to schools right now-I agree that’s unsafe. But I also believe that with the support of their unions, teachers could be doing more.
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Things such as summer school, extended teacher days to allow for different sessions for students to attend, the elimination of certain prep periods, these won’t fly bc of the unions. As a teacher, I would gladly do them. No union on Long Island would allow it.
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Re: What is your suggestion
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I despise Cuomo (for many reasons, I wish not to discuss on here), however, I think he has been doing a great job handling things during this pandemic. As a teacher I am very sad about the schools closing , however I think it was the right decision.
Can I ask the people who think school should open with smaller class sizes, how would you do that> You would have to hire more teachers. Where would the kids eat lunch for the schools on the secondary level? That may work for elementary schools.
Can I ask , how has the teacher unions harmed education...please explain?
I don't think that schools should open now however I do think that they should open in September and I have a very bad feeling that they won't.
I think on the elementary level there are solutions - such as eating lunch and having "recess" in the classrooms. We did this in Catholic School. Teachers took turns walking around the hallways and monitoring 4 classrooms at a time so you didn't need an actual teacher in the classroom at all times. Since we already have lunch aids they could do the same, walk the hallways and monitor the classes while the teachers get a break.
I think that middle school would need to change to look more like an elementary school. Teachers might have to rotate classrooms while all the students stay in the same room. Some teachers might need to teach multiple subjects.
High school is a completely different problem but I think that you can eliminate lunch and maybe have a staggered day. There would probably have to be a lot more independent work done at home. Potentially shorter or rotated days.
You would also need to require as many parents as are able to provide transportation for their children instead of using the buses and save buses for the children who absolutely need busing. Staggered start times so that it eliminate mass amounts of children in the halls at once.
Increased janitorial staff cleaning the school. And teachers will have to work longer and harder. Parents will as well. It has to be a communal effort but this is for the sake of our children and our next generation. I have ALWAYS been completely anti teacher's unions although I don't think that they have done anything wrong in this particular situation but these are different times. This is not a time where a teacher can say "It's not my job to wipe down a desk, I don't have time and you won't understand because you aren't a teacher."
City schools and the city in general is going to have increased issues but because the city has issues does not mean that schools across the state need to continue to shut down.
Those maybe some great ideas, but that would never be able to be done in time, the amount of planning just to get them back to school by JUne. I think it would be more chaotic making sure kids are separated than a teaching environment. If this continues to Sept., than maybe they will have the summer to plan something.
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Teachers don't make nearly enough money. We appreciate the love, attention, and hard work that gas gone into our kids, especially since this started.
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Re: What is your suggestion
Posted by Diane
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Posted by Diane
I despise Cuomo (for many reasons, I wish not to discuss on here), however, I think he has been doing a great job handling things during this pandemic. As a teacher I am very sad about the schools closing , however I think it was the right decision.
Can I ask the people who think school should open with smaller class sizes, how would you do that> You would have to hire more teachers. Where would the kids eat lunch for the schools on the secondary level? That may work for elementary schools.
Can I ask , how has the teacher unions harmed education...please explain?
I don't think that schools should open now however I do think that they should open in September and I have a very bad feeling that they won't.
I think on the elementary level there are solutions - such as eating lunch and having "recess" in the classrooms. We did this in Catholic School. Teachers took turns walking around the hallways and monitoring 4 classrooms at a time so you didn't need an actual teacher in the classroom at all times. Since we already have lunch aids they could do the same, walk the hallways and monitor the classes while the teachers get a break.
I think that middle school would need to change to look more like an elementary school. Teachers might have to rotate classrooms while all the students stay in the same room. Some teachers might need to teach multiple subjects.
High school is a completely different problem but I think that you can eliminate lunch and maybe have a staggered day. There would probably have to be a lot more independent work done at home. Potentially shorter or rotated days.
You would also need to require as many parents as are able to provide transportation for their children instead of using the buses and save buses for the children who absolutely need busing. Staggered start times so that it eliminate mass amounts of children in the halls at once.
Increased janitorial staff cleaning the school. And teachers will have to work longer and harder. Parents will as well. It has to be a communal effort but this is for the sake of our children and our next generation. I have ALWAYS been completely anti teacher's unions although I don't think that they have done anything wrong in this particular situation but these are different times. This is not a time where a teacher can say "It's not my job to wipe down a desk, I don't have time and you won't understand because you aren't a teacher."
City schools and the city in general is going to have increased issues but because the city has issues does not mean that schools across the state need to continue to shut down.
Those maybe some great ideas, but that would never be able to be done in time, the amount of planning just to get them back to school by JUne. I think it would be more chaotic making sure kids are separated than a teaching environment. If this continues to Sept., than maybe they will have the summer to plan something.
That's what I am talking about - for Sept. This year is done. But now they need to start focusing on what they need to do to reopen schools in Sept and the fact that Cuomo just dodges those questions when asked show me that he lacks basic leadership skills. Schools are fundamental to our society for many, many reasons and to just brush off the questions as "sept is a long way off" is BS. They should be working on concrete plans yesterday! Not in two months from now.
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What is your suggestion
I think Cuomo is doing the best he can right now. No one knows what is going to happen. No one.
And teachers are working more than ever now. They have had to learn a completely new way to teach in about a month. Try learning your job in a month.
And no offense parents, I know it must suck to have to do extra work with your kids, but you made the decision to have them. It’s mainly your job to raise them. That is your ultimate responsibility.
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Re: What is your suggestion
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And no offense parents, I know it must suck to have to do extra work with your kids, but you made the decision to have them. It’s mainly your job to raise them. That is your ultimate responsibility.
I think this is a little rude because the parents are working from home and trying to do full curriculum with the kids. We are at home, during a crisis, trying to work. Half the time we don’t get to the school work until 4:30-5pm after a full day working. It’s not just doing extra work. Being a little frustrated with trying to home school while working full time is not the same is saying they don’t want to raise their children.
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NervousNell
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Re: What is your suggestion
Posted by Mrs213
Posted by klingklang77
And no offense parents, I know it must suck to have to do extra work with your kids, but you made the decision to have them. It’s mainly your job to raise them. That is your ultimate responsibility.
I think this is a little rude because the parents are working from home and trying to do full curriculum with the kids. We are at home, during a crisis, trying to work. Half the time we don’t get to the school work until 4:30-5pm after a full day working. It’s not just doing extra work. Being a little frustrated with trying to home school while working full time is not the same is saying they don’t want to raise their children.
True and when I decided to have a child I did not think her education would fall on me while working full time too. I'm a horrible teacher. It's a talent, and I don’t have it.
I can help her with homework but to full on teach something from scratch, no way.
Right now it is what it is though and we're making the best of it and I'm fortunate that my daughter is a pretty good student and picks up fairly quickly.
Otherwise it would be a disaster.
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Re: What is your suggestion
Posted by NicoleF219
Posted by mommywantsababy
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by Christine2
"Displaced rage"
No,, I have rage against asinine ideas to keep the economy, adults and children shuttered inside their homes for months on end.
From the beginning, I have said, the older and those with pre-existing conditions should shelter in place.
Now that we've ALL sheltered for 30 days, then yes, Phase I reopening needs to begin. YES, the numbers will increase, that is expected. Mitigation was never intended to ELIMINATE the damn virus, just lessen the numbers requiring immediate hospitalizations.
You need to reopen the economy now! Non essential businesses should open. Masks, social distancing as best possible should be implemented. Schools should reopen with smaller class sizes, elimination of assemblies, children stay in their classrooms for lunch, etc. Even in higher grades it may mean restructuring so the same students stay with the same "honors" classes.
So many things can be done. It is insane to continue on this way. How many parents actually think their children are learning anything? How many people think teleworking is as effective as going to work? There are so many solutions every industry can be taking if we THINK OUTSIDE THE DAMN BOX.
If I hear that saving even one life is worth it and having NO PLAN(!!!) makes sense I think my eyes will roll right off my head.
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I agree with you in theory but it takes time to implement these plans. If you want to make classes smaller, where are they going. We don't have an empty classroom in our schools. Maybe have them do "shifts" but they you still need time to implement bus changes. Are we having kids wear masks all day? Basically, the teachers will be fixing masks all day for the younger grades. In older grades, are you having a custodian in each lab room ready to disinfect each piece of equipment after each class. Are they eating lunch? There can be no masks then? Then you have to deal with the Teacher's Union.
If they open up businesses are people going to adhere to wearing their masks. People are already rebelling about that. You can see that from the Commack mess that happened today.
There are many solutions but they take time to implement. That is why he was holding off on canceling school because he was trying to let the schools get prepared, which they are still not. After his announcement today, there were hundreds of calls to our administrative office asking a million questions they don't have answers for yet.
I actually am appalled with teachers unions right now, and feel like they’ve done nothing other than harm the education of our children during this.
A lot of what you mentioned could be transitioned during the summer, but how many unions would agree to that?
Explain to me how teachers have harmed the education of children during this. Just because they aren't in their classrooms doesn't mean they aren't working - or are you mad because you have to support your kids in learning?
Or is it because they aren't going to agree to let their members work in potentially harmful and deadly conditions?
The Teachers Union. I do not believe it is the teachers. I believe that the teachers are doing what they can and most want to get back to school and teach their students. They miss them and I am nothing but supportive of teachers.
And to respond to your comment on if people are mad about supporting our kids in learning. Yes I am mad. We are not supporting, parents are teaching. There is no teaching going on with either of my kids from their teachers. They are getting work that I am teaching them out to do with direction from the teachers. Again, I am not bashing teachers as I think they are doing the best they can with the limited time they had to prepare but make no mistake. I am the one teaching them during this time.
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