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Re: What is your suggestion
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Teachers don't make nearly enough money. We appreciate the love, attention, and hard work that gas gone into our kids, especially since this started.
I actually think they make plenty of money. Many, especially on LI, make six figures. They work less than 10 months of the year, six hours/day (if they want to work more, it is on THEIR terms) with plenty of vacation time. They have a union fighting for each of them, and many have tenure. They do just fine. No sympathy here.
ETA: They get medical, dental, retirement benefits as well.
They deserve it all if not more.
This is usually a big debate as it is always assumed teachers don’t make a lot of money. In NYS they can and do make six figures and anything extra they do like coaching, clubs, etc. they get paid on top of that. I have seen some of the salaries of some teachers and it is crazy, IMO. I know many work very hard but the average person does not get the amount of time off a teacher does and the pay,
Teachers downstate make a lot of money. Once you’re north of Westchester, not so much. 6 figures isn’t even on our pay scale. Maybe by the time I retire in 20 years lol
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Re: What is your suggestion
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And no offense parents, I know it must suck to have to do extra work with your kids, but you made the decision to have them. It’s mainly your job to raise them. That is your ultimate responsibility.
I think this is a little rude because the parents are working from home and trying to do full curriculum with the kids. We are at home, during a crisis, trying to work. Half the time we don’t get to the school work until 4:30-5pm after a full day working. It’s not just doing extra work. Being a little frustrated with trying to home school while working full time is not the same is saying they don’t want to raise their children.
I’m not trying to be rude, so I’m sorry if I hurt your feelings in any way.
I’m not saying parents don’t want to raise their kids. However, at the end of the day they are your kids. We are all frustrated. I totally get that. It’s just life and we all make choices and have to deal with it.
Wow. I really can't even answer you without sounding like a nasty ***** but you are crossing a line that you shouldn't be.
It is my responsibility to raise my children. It is my responsibility to make sure they have the best life they can. By doing that I work VERY hard to advocate for their education because I know that I am not equipped to teach them correctly. That is what makes me a good mom, knowing what I can do and knowing what I need professionals for. My children get special education classes, OT, PT, Speech, Therapy, Social Skills, specialized reading, and many more things that I NEED trained people to do. If I was able to do all of those things then they wouldn't be in school to begin with. Their teachers are frustrated and I am frustrated because we both are failing my children, due to no fault of our own. My responsibility is to make sure my kids get the best they get.
So while I am behind the stay in place to make sure everyone is safe, it doesn't mean I cant be pissed about it.
First off, I never said you weren’t a good mom.
At the end of the day, they are your kids. It’s your job to take care of them, and that includes educating them if need be. Yes, you have to work, but isn’t your family the ultimate priority?
I’m all for cutting teachers some slack, but “isn’t your family your ultimate priority” is such a clueless comment. For some people working and keeping a paycheck means they can’t educate their child enough to keep them on grade level, especially children with special needs.
I don’t think it’s clueless at all. When push comes to shove, you do what you have to do. People lived through wars and they made it. I just find it a bit strange that people are complaining about their kids not going to school when there is a very serious situation going on. Yes, it takes a village, but the family is the one responsible for it.
I do get where you are coming from, and to an extent, I agree with you. However, there are people, especially in NYC, who are unable to make their child's education a priority. They can't even guarantee their child gets dinner every night. Schools are literal safe havens for so many children. Not every child is safest at home. Will my children be fine? Most likely, yes. But my children are lucky. There are children who are not as fortunate.
This situation has really shown the difference in the haves and the have nots, and it is incredibly heartbreaking. Schools remain closed for an entire school year next year? That's fine, we have no say in that. But the unbelievable amount of children who will be severely affected by this, who will slip through the cracks, will be breathtaking. Schools are essential to a functioning society and economy.
Yes, exactly. Thank god someone understands. Schools are essential to society.
But if I have to read how one wants to lower their taxes because there are no schools in session is just mind blowing. So yeah, pay lower taxes, and you will get NO education. Those handouts and videos are better than nothing at this point. Take what you can because this is an unusual circumstance. Be thankful that they are getting materials. They are going through them so quickly because they are doing it alone and no classroom management is happening, saving time in the process.
There are MANY children that aren't learning anything right now, so that equals NO education. So, no, slapping together a couple of worksheets is not better than nothing. It is nothing.
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Re: What is your suggestion
Yes I'm one of those people that think that if I am teaching my kids and we don't have school, then of course I shouldn't pay school taxes. For what?
And if school districts are simply posting links online to worksheets and videos that I have to teach and administer, then I at least want LOWER school taxes.
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What is your suggestion
The teachers that are just posting ditto or assignments online, what are they doing the rest of the time? Why are they getting paid a full salary if the parents are doing all the work? (Not saying ALL teachers do this but I have seen enough complaints)
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Re: What is your suggestion
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And no offense parents, I know it must suck to have to do extra work with your kids, but you made the decision to have them. It’s mainly your job to raise them. That is your ultimate responsibility.
I think this is a little rude because the parents are working from home and trying to do full curriculum with the kids. We are at home, during a crisis, trying to work. Half the time we don’t get to the school work until 4:30-5pm after a full day working. It’s not just doing extra work. Being a little frustrated with trying to home school while working full time is not the same is saying they don’t want to raise their children.
Exactly. As much as I DESPISE DiBlasio I kind of get why he was hesitant to close schools at first. Here's the thing it's our culture for kids to attend school at a certain age giving us parents the workdays to WORK. We are not teachers.
For those parents who have jobs outside of the home we rely on schools and not to mention how many of us here on LI pay $9,10,15K and up on school taxes...where do you think that money comes from?? the sky?No it comes from our jobs which many of us have to dedicate the day doing in order to get our paycheck to pay our bills. Having a SAH parent is a luxury especially in a HCOL state like NY. I work FT from home, my job requires a SHIIT ton of dedication and attention. Thankfully for me my oldest is pretty self sufficient when it comes to doing her school work. My youngest is still not school age and right now DH is furloughed and is taking on any extra responsibility so I can concentrate on my job. Even when he goes back to work I am extremely grateful and LUCKY that my parents will be helping me out with my kids. Between DHs unemployment and our savings we are doing OK... and as much as I hate the wordI realize how privileged we are that we are able to do this. Many people are NOT. I cannot imagine having to homeschool a lower grade child while trying to concentrate on my job. Kudos to all the moms who are now teachers while maintaining their FT jobs trying to pay the bills.
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Re: What is your suggestion
So back to the OP— what is your suggestion? No one has any clue really. One thing that seems to be happening is that countries open up and rates rise.
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Re: What is your suggestion
I think he's done a decent job but, he's saying the same thing now every day.
I think he needs to outline an opening plan more thoroughly - and start small like other states and then progress forward.
As much as I was upset, and hate teaching my kids while working (I stopped on while starting my work this morning), I think he made the right call. With a lot of uncertainty you don't open schools right now. And I think making class sizes smaller isn't really feasible unless kids go every other day or on a staggered schedule since I know we have no extra space in our school.
I also feel that when we can increase testing, like he's mentioned every call pretty much, it's going to tell a different story - that more people have antibodies than believed (since this has been around longer than we all think).
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Re: What is your suggestion
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So back to the OP— what is your suggestion? No one has any clue really. One thing that seems to be happening is that countries open up and rates rise.
Hospitals are not even close to capacity here on Long Island anymore. They actually need to start opening things up to let more people be exposed so that we can gradually let the virus run it's course. I don't think that we have time to wait for a vaccine or even a completely effective treatment. Our entire economy is on the verge of collapse and people seem to be forgetting that. Schools are a necessary component to our economy - it's not just a convenience for parents to get some free time.
As I stated before I don't think they could have reopened schools for this academic year but they don't even seem to be working on a plan for Sept. Cuomo blows that question off as if Sept is so far away. It's only 4 months away. That's not a whole lot of time to get a plan in place to effectively open schools.
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Re: What is your suggestion
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Posted by klingklang77
So back to the OP— what is your suggestion? No one has any clue really. One thing that seems to be happening is that countries open up and rates rise.
Hospitals are not even close to capacity here on Long Island anymore. They actually need to start opening things up to let more people be exposed so that we can gradually let the virus run it's course. I don't think that we have time to wait for a vaccine or even a completely effective treatment. Our entire economy is on the verge of collapse and people seem to be forgetting that. Schools are a necessary component to our economy - it's not just a convenience for parents to get some free time.
As I stated before I don't think they could have reopened schools for this academic year but they don't even seem to be working on a plan for Sept. Cuomo blows that question off as if Sept is so far away. It's only 4 months away. That's not a whole lot of time to get a plan in place to effectively open schools.
Agreed. Yes, infection rates will rise. People will get the virus. And most will survive. I still can't believe that we have all of a sudden decided that not one person can ever get sick, and if it takes locking up the other 330 million to achieve that, then so be it. This is bizarre to me.
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Re: What is your suggestion
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Posted by klingklang77
So back to the OP— what is your suggestion? No one has any clue really. One thing that seems to be happening is that countries open up and rates rise.
Hospitals are not even close to capacity here on Long Island anymore. They actually need to start opening things up to let more people be exposed so that we can gradually let the virus run it's course. I don't think that we have time to wait for a vaccine or even a completely effective treatment. Our entire economy is on the verge of collapse and people seem to be forgetting that. Schools are a necessary component to our economy - it's not just a convenience for parents to get some free time.
As I stated before I don't think they could have reopened schools for this academic year but they don't even seem to be working on a plan for Sept. Cuomo blows that question off as if Sept is so far away. It's only 4 months away. That's not a whole lot of time to get a plan in place to effectively open schools.
Agreed. Yes, infection rates will rise. People will get the virus. And most will survive. I still can't believe that we have all of a sudden decided that not one person can ever get sick, and if it takes locking up the other 330 million to achieve that, then so be it. This is bizarre to me.
This is what is confusing to me as well.
And of course numbers will rise when we open up.
So will flu numbers, strep and everything else.
What else do you expect?
If the goal is to get numbers to never ever rise again, then we need to stay locked down forever.
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What is your suggestion
How many of us on this message board are research physicians? Seriously, our opinions "I think we should open" etc. are just expressions. We have absolutely no right to be demanding if we know nothing about the disease, science, immunity, slippery viruses, etc.
The purpose of the governor in a state is to carry out laws made by our state legislature, But that's just the basic summary. The governor is also responsible for delegating tasks to the different state agencies, manning the budget, and signing executive orders to advance legislation that has to be passed quickly to protect the people. He is also responsible to report the state of our state.
Why are so many of you putting so much responsibility on the governor? Because he is the spokesperson who appears at a presser every day? Whether we like him or not, he is doing his job. What is he supposed t do about domestic violence when he can't open the state? What do you want him to do that's beyond his role?
805 new cases in Suffolk yesterday. 500+ in Nassau. Does that mean we're ready to open?
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Re: What is your suggestion
Posted by LIRascal
How many of us on this message board are research physicians? Seriously, our opinions "I think we should open" etc. are just expressions. We have absolutely no right to be demanding if we know nothing about the disease, science, immunity, slippery viruses, etc.
The purpose of the governor in a state is to carry out laws made by our state legislature, But that's just the basic summary. The governor is also responsible for delegating tasks to the different state agencies, manning the budget, and signing executive orders to advance legislation that has to be passed quickly to protect the people. He is also responsible to report the state of our state.
Why are so many of you putting so much responsibility on the governor? Because he is the spokesperson who appears at a presser every day? Whether we like him or not, he is doing his job. What is he supposed t do about domestic violence when he can't open the state? What do you want him to do that's beyond his role?
805 new cases in Suffolk yesterday. 500+ in Nassau. Does that mean we're ready to open?
I agree. While I am not in NYS, I see the same thing happening here, albeit a few weeks ahead. NO ONE knows what to do. New information is coming out every day. Sorry, but I don’t want to die from silent hypoxia. Yes, I want the economy to open up and I want to be able to work, but not at the cost of my life.
One can sit there and blame Cuomo, but at the end of the day it goes way beyond that. The health system and welfare system are in shambles over there. That goes beyond the governor.
I really hope when this is all done with, the system is reevaluated. What’s happening over in the US would not happen here. I’m a freelancer, so my situation is a bit different, but there are a lot of programs put into place for freelancers and also contract workers, so the whole country doesn’t fall. Yes, I’m in the midst of paperwork hell, but I’m getting a lot of help.
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Re: What is your suggestion
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Yes I'm one of those people that think that if I am teaching my kids and we don't have school, then of course I shouldn't pay school taxes. For what?
And if school districts are simply posting links online to worksheets and videos that I have to teach and administer, then I at least want LOWER school taxes.
Because your taxes go to so much more than teacher's salaries. And as a parent, you aren't reinventing the wheel to make sure you're sticking to the standards while the virus disrupted life as we all know it.
6 figures means between 100,000 and 200,000 Big range. Not everyone makes 6 figures.
Our salaries are public, and they're based on a fiscal year rather than a calendar of 12 months. We get paid for 10 months of work. Some districts allow you to stretch their payroll calendar to take less per paycheck throughout the school year but to stretch out a payment over the summer.
Teachers earn more if they spend $ to take college courses above their masters degree. If you pay college tuition, you know how much this costs. Truth is, some of us can't afford to take these courses because they're expensive, and while they do increase your knowledge and experience, they don't always warrant the slight jump in salary because you need to take 15-30 credits before seeing one increase in payment.
We don't stand in front of a classroom and talk at children. That's not teaching anymore (in some parochial schools it is) We are constantly subjected to new demands to keep up with state regulations. We go above and beyond to differentiate our teaching to incorporate every learner. We set up our classrooms to make each learner achieve their best out of our own pocket. Imagine having to supply your own office with supplies paid out of your own pocket! Imagine having to re-formulate your whole job and scramble for resources to adapt to online learning. All of our cute little community collaboration and student-centered lessons go out the window. Now, we have to figure out how to teach children to learn far away from each other on a cold computer with no human touch.
This situation sucks bigtime. We know so many parents have to work while guiding their children at home. We are understanding and flexible. We are anguished that we can't see our children ever again. The pain of knowing that the classroom is a memorial frozen in time is crushing. We aren't in this for the money. When people complain that they shouldn't pay school taxes to support our salaries is hurtful. Teachers are the lifeblood of a child's achievements. Although the format is different, the result has to be the same.
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LIRascal
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Re: What is your suggestion
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by LIRascal
How many of us on this message board are research physicians? Seriously, our opinions "I think we should open" etc. are just expressions. We have absolutely no right to be demanding if we know nothing about the disease, science, immunity, slippery viruses, etc.
The purpose of the governor in a state is to carry out laws made by our state legislature, But that's just the basic summary. The governor is also responsible for delegating tasks to the different state agencies, manning the budget, and signing executive orders to advance legislation that has to be passed quickly to protect the people. He is also responsible to report the state of our state.
Why are so many of you putting so much responsibility on the governor? Because he is the spokesperson who appears at a presser every day? Whether we like him or not, he is doing his job. What is he supposed t do about domestic violence when he can't open the state? What do you want him to do that's beyond his role?
805 new cases in Suffolk yesterday. 500+ in Nassau. Does that mean we're ready to open?
I agree. While I am not in NYS, I see the same thing happening here, albeit a few weeks ahead. NO ONE knows what to do. New information is coming out every day. Sorry, but I don’t want to die from silent hypoxia. Yes, I want the economy to open up and I want to be able to work, but not at the cost of my life.
One can sit there and blame Cuomo, but at the end of the day it goes way beyond that. The health system and welfare system are in shambles over there. That goes beyond the governor.
I really hope when this is all done with, the system is reevaluated. What’s happening over in the US would not happen here. I’m a freelancer, so my situation is a bit different, but there are a lot of programs put into place for freelancers and also contract workers, so the whole country doesn’t fall. Yes, I’m in the midst of paperwork hell, but I’m getting a lot of help.
Yes, obviously our system is broken, but we don't have the same tax structure as Germany. Your country knows how to follow the rules. People just do what they're supposed to, instead of acting like know-it-all spoiled brats clamoring to open up ASAP. Why can't people just listen to the boss?
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Re: What is your suggestion
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805 new cases in Suffolk yesterday. 500+ in Nassau. Does that mean we're ready to open?
Just out of curiosity....how low do the number of cases need to be before we re-open? We KNOW they won't EVER be "zero" so then what do people think is an acceptable number?
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Re: What is your suggestion
Posted by LIRascal
How many of us on this message board are research physicians? Seriously, our opinions "I think we should open" etc. are just expressions. We have absolutely no right to be demanding if we know nothing about the disease, science, immunity, slippery viruses, etc.
The purpose of the governor in a state is to carry out laws made by our state legislature, But that's just the basic summary. The governor is also responsible for delegating tasks to the different state agencies, manning the budget, and signing executive orders to advance legislation that has to be passed quickly to protect the people. He is also responsible to report the state of our state.
Why are so many of you putting so much responsibility on the governor? Because he is the spokesperson who appears at a presser every day? Whether we like him or not, he is doing his job. What is he supposed t do about domestic violence when he can't open the state? What do you want him to do that's beyond his role?
805 new cases in Suffolk yesterday. 500+ in Nassau. Does that mean we're ready to open?
I am personally more interested in hospitalization and mortality rates as opposed to infection rates. As testing expands more ppl will inevitably test positive and while I am no research scientist, I would imagine that’s not necessarily indicative of a broadening problem. If people are getting sick and recovering I’m not as alarmed. If hospitalization rates skyrocket then I think I would be more concerned.
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Re: What is your suggestion
Posted by LIRascal
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by LIRascal
How many of us on this message board are research physicians? Seriously, our opinions "I think we should open" etc. are just expressions. We have absolutely no right to be demanding if we know nothing about the disease, science, immunity, slippery viruses, etc.
The purpose of the governor in a state is to carry out laws made by our state legislature, But that's just the basic summary. The governor is also responsible for delegating tasks to the different state agencies, manning the budget, and signing executive orders to advance legislation that has to be passed quickly to protect the people. He is also responsible to report the state of our state.
Why are so many of you putting so much responsibility on the governor? Because he is the spokesperson who appears at a presser every day? Whether we like him or not, he is doing his job. What is he supposed t do about domestic violence when he can't open the state? What do you want him to do that's beyond his role?
805 new cases in Suffolk yesterday. 500+ in Nassau. Does that mean we're ready to open?
I agree. While I am not in NYS, I see the same thing happening here, albeit a few weeks ahead. NO ONE knows what to do. New information is coming out every day. Sorry, but I don’t want to die from silent hypoxia. Yes, I want the economy to open up and I want to be able to work, but not at the cost of my life.
One can sit there and blame Cuomo, but at the end of the day it goes way beyond that. The health system and welfare system are in shambles over there. That goes beyond the governor.
I really hope when this is all done with, the system is reevaluated. What’s happening over in the US would not happen here. I’m a freelancer, so my situation is a bit different, but there are a lot of programs put into place for freelancers and also contract workers, so the whole country doesn’t fall. Yes, I’m in the midst of paperwork hell, but I’m getting a lot of help.
Yes, obviously our system is broken, but we don't have the same tax structure as Germany. Your country knows how to follow the rules. People just do what they're supposed to, instead of acting like know-it-all spoiled brats clamoring to open up ASAP. Why can't people just listen to the boss?
The day people stop questioning "the boss" is the day we've got real problems... pretty sure that's how Germany felt about questioning Hitler.
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Re: What is your suggestion
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Posted by LIRascal
805 new cases in Suffolk yesterday. 500+ in Nassau. Does that mean we're ready to open?
Just out of curiosity....how low do the number of cases need to be before we re-open? We KNOW they won't EVER be "zero" so then what do people think is an acceptable number?
I think the number of hospitalizations is more the issue since 80% resolve. They are doing antibody testing from random samples. The latest I read is that about 12% have the antibodies. I don’t know if this is good news or bad. It’s good news for the death rate, bout that means potentially 88% of the population hasn’t had it and is susceptible. And we don’t even know if you can get it again or not or how long the immunity lasts. Is it something you can get again like common cold virus or something you will never get again like chicken pox? I think the best thing to do would be a soft opening on May 15th, with many new protocols in place for safety. Most businesses should be able to come up with a protocol by then. I think crowded events should be out for awhile. If non essential stores can open with 25% capacity and require customers to wear a mask, that’s a good compromise. I don’t think Cuomo is wrong. We need to see what happens with the other states who reopen also and May 15th gives us a little time to see that goes. We are so densely populated and this thing could spread like wildfire again if we aren’t careful.
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Re: What is your suggestion
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by ChilisWife
Posted by lululu
Posted by klingklang77
So back to the OP— what is your suggestion? No one has any clue really. One thing that seems to be happening is that countries open up and rates rise.
Hospitals are not even close to capacity here on Long Island anymore. They actually need to start opening things up to let more people be exposed so that we can gradually let the virus run it's course. I don't think that we have time to wait for a vaccine or even a completely effective treatment. Our entire economy is on the verge of collapse and people seem to be forgetting that. Schools are a necessary component to our economy - it's not just a convenience for parents to get some free time.
As I stated before I don't think they could have reopened schools for this academic year but they don't even seem to be working on a plan for Sept. Cuomo blows that question off as if Sept is so far away. It's only 4 months away. That's not a whole lot of time to get a plan in place to effectively open schools.
Agreed. Yes, infection rates will rise. People will get the virus. And most will survive. I still can't believe that we have all of a sudden decided that not one person can ever get sick, and if it takes locking up the other 330 million to achieve that, then so be it. This is bizarre to me.
This is what is confusing to me as well.
And of course numbers will rise when we open up.
So will flu numbers, strep and everything else.
What else do you expect?
If the goal is to get numbers to never ever rise again, then we need to stay locked down forever.
I meant to add earlier - this exercise was never meant to eliminate the virus completely - it was meant to flatten the curve. The curve has been flattened, we need to have a plan to slowly start opening and working towards our new nromal.
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LIRascal
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Re: What is your suggestion
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Posted by LIRascal
805 new cases in Suffolk yesterday. 500+ in Nassau. Does that mean we're ready to open?
Just out of curiosity....how low do the number of cases need to be before we re-open? We KNOW they won't EVER be "zero" so then what do people think is an acceptable number?
I know absolutely nothing about this at all. I was just stating a number I thought was significant. I don't wear a lab coat, and I didn't spend my years staring into a petri dish.
I was just saying that it seems like the rate of new infection isn't going down and maybe this is the reason we're not opening more rapidly. I haven't been out since March 13th. I am too afraid to. People I know who are nurses and one doctor at Elmhurst hospital told me about how it is like a war zone and the rate of death is something they've never seen before.
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| Posted 5/3/20 8:44 AM |
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LIRascal
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Re: What is your suggestion
Posted by Hopefulmama
Posted by LIRascal
How many of us on this message board are research physicians? Seriously, our opinions "I think we should open" etc. are just expressions. We have absolutely no right to be demanding if we know nothing about the disease, science, immunity, slippery viruses, etc.
The purpose of the governor in a state is to carry out laws made by our state legislature, But that's just the basic summary. The governor is also responsible for delegating tasks to the different state agencies, manning the budget, and signing executive orders to advance legislation that has to be passed quickly to protect the people. He is also responsible to report the state of our state.
Why are so many of you putting so much responsibility on the governor? Because he is the spokesperson who appears at a presser every day? Whether we like him or not, he is doing his job. What is he supposed t do about domestic violence when he can't open the state? What do you want him to do that's beyond his role?
805 new cases in Suffolk yesterday. 500+ in Nassau. Does that mean we're ready to open?
I am personally more interested in hospitalization and mortality rates as opposed to infection rates. As testing expands more ppl will inevitably test positive and while I am no research scientist, I would imagine that’s not necessarily indicative of a broadening problem. If people are getting sick and recovering I’m not as alarmed. If hospitalization rates skyrocket then I think I would be more concerned.
Great point. Something I hadn't thought about.
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| Posted 5/3/20 8:46 AM |
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MC09
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Re: What is your suggestion
Posted by LIRascal
Posted by ChilisWife
Yes I'm one of those people that think that if I am teaching my kids and we don't have school, then of course I shouldn't pay school taxes. For what?
And if school districts are simply posting links online to worksheets and videos that I have to teach and administer, then I at least want LOWER school taxes.
Because your taxes go to so much more than teacher's salaries. And as a parent, you aren't reinventing the wheel to make sure you're sticking to the standards while the virus disrupted life as we all know it.
6 figures means between 100,000 and 200,000 Big range. Not everyone makes 6 figures.
Our salaries are public, and they're based on a fiscal year rather than a calendar of 12 months. We get paid for 10 months of work. Some districts allow you to stretch their payroll calendar to take less per paycheck throughout the school year but to stretch out a payment over the summer.
Teachers earn more if they spend $ to take college courses above their masters degree. If you pay college tuition, you know how much this costs. Truth is, some of us can't afford to take these courses because they're expensive, and while they do increase your knowledge and experience, they don't always warrant the slight jump in salary because you need to take 15-30 credits before seeing one increase in payment.
We don't stand in front of a classroom and talk at children. That's not teaching anymore (in some parochial schools it is) We are constantly subjected to new demands to keep up with state regulations. We go above and beyond to differentiate our teaching to incorporate every learner. We set up our classrooms to make each learner achieve their best out of our own pocket. Imagine having to supply your own office with supplies paid out of your own pocket! Imagine having to re-formulate your whole job and scramble for resources to adapt to online learning. All of our cute little community collaboration and student-centered lessons go out the window. Now, we have to figure out how to teach children to learn far away from each other on a cold computer with no human touch.
This situation sucks bigtime. We know so many parents have to work while guiding their children at home. We are understanding and flexible. We are anguished that we can't see our children ever again. The pain of knowing that the classroom is a memorial frozen in time is crushing. We aren't in this for the money. When people complain that they shouldn't pay school taxes to support our salaries is hurtful. Teachers are the lifeblood of a child's achievements. Although the format is different, the result has to be the same.
This isn't meant to add anything to the discussion, but just pointing out that your comment about teachers not being able to boost their salaries because college credits are expensive is somewhat misleading. In many districts there are ways around the salary differential like CLEP exams in exchange for credits and many will accept credits in a non-related field as well like art or photography. To say there aren't and a teacher can only increase their salary differential and reach the max laid out in their contract by giving up their nights, weekends, and summers to sit in an expensive college classroom for a full semester is a bit misleading to the public. This of course depends on the district.
Back to the discussion, we already know kids with special needs aren't getting the help they need. What about the ELL population? What are kids whose parents don't speak English currently doing? How are they faring? As a non-native English speaker I can confidently say had this happened when I was a kid I would've been screwed. How about kids who don't have a computer? Are they all just shit out of luck while their classmates move on?
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| Posted 5/3/20 8:58 AM |
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Re: What is your suggestion
Nyc Doe Kids and families without computers have been told to contact their schools so that Laptops can be dropped off to them
My kids district here also had t sent an email saying if you need technology, pls call and we’ll bring you a laptop. I didn’t realize it wasn’t the same across the boars I assumed it was
And as far as teachers and teaching
I know that unions have said it’s not required that the teachers do live teaching, but I know many teachers in my building have been. That includes Gen Ed , special ed, ESL, OT, PT, speech, and counseling. Even the gym art science and library teachers have been going and recording themselves doing lessons so that the parents can access them whenever they can and if they want to
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| Posted 5/3/20 9:46 AM |
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mrsrainbow
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Re: What is your suggestion
Posted by anonymoususer
Kids and families without computers have been told to contact their schools so that Laptops can be dropped off to them
And as far as teachers and teaching
I know that unions have said it’s not required that the teachers do live teaching, but I know many teachers in my building have been. That includes Gen Ed , special ed, ESL, OT, PT, speech, and counseling. Even the gym art science and library teachers have been going and recording themselves doing lessons so that the parents can access them whenever they can and if they want to
Not true. Plenty of districts do not have laptops available for students. My district, in fact.
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| Posted 5/3/20 12:27 PM |
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Mrs213
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Re: What is your suggestion
Posted by mrsrainbow
Posted by anonymoususer
Kids and families without computers have been told to contact their schools so that Laptops can be dropped off to them
And as far as teachers and teaching
I know that unions have said it’s not required that the teachers do live teaching, but I know many teachers in my building have been. That includes Gen Ed , special ed, ESL, OT, PT, speech, and counseling. Even the gym art science and library teachers have been going and recording themselves doing lessons so that the parents can access them whenever they can and if they want to
Not true. Plenty of districts do not have laptops available for students. My district, in fact.
My district which is pretty bad off financially got some iPads for the kids last week. They got some chrome books before that but some of the teachers did a go fundme and used some of their own money to buy the kids laptops...
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| Posted 5/3/20 12:33 PM |
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