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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
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2. Encouragement and benefits for small businesses.
What are the benefits he is proposing for small business?
Not being snarky- I honestly don't know
From BarackObama.com
Support Small Business
Provide Tax Relief for Small Businesses and Start Up Companies: Barack Obama and Joe Biden will eliminate all capital gains taxes on start-up and small businesses to encourage innovation and job creation. Obama and Biden will also support small business owners by providing a $500 “Making Work Pay” tax credit to almost every worker in America. Self-employed small business owners pay both the employee and the employer side of the payroll tax, and this measure will reduce the burdens of this double taxation.
Create a National Network of Public-Private Business Incubators: Barack Obama and Joe Biden will support entrepreneurship and spur job growth by creating a national network of public-private business incubators. Business incubators facilitate the critical work of entrepreneurs in creating start-up companies. Obama and Biden will invest $250 million per year to increase the number and size of incubators in disadvantaged communities throughout the country.
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but he lowered the $250k cap to $200k
I think the distinction is between singles and couples - it's 200K for single people and 250K for families
Yes.
So, the marriage penalty is coming back.
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
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Posted by usuk2004
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Posted by heathergirl
Posted by jellybean1420
Correct me if I'm wrong, but he lowered the $250k cap to $200k
I think the distinction is between singles and couples - it's 200K for single people and 250K for families
Yes.
So, the marriage penalty is coming back.
People who make $200-250k per year are driving around in Tahoe's, living in nice houses, carrying LV bags, etc etc etc...No problem paying for material things! Broad generalization, but you get my drift.
The HORROR at the idea they pay more in taxes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
Posted by heathergirl
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Posted by usuk2004
Posted by jellybean1420
Posted by heathergirl
Posted by jellybean1420
Correct me if I'm wrong, but he lowered the $250k cap to $200k
I think the distinction is between singles and couples - it's 200K for single people and 250K for families
Yes.
So, the marriage penalty is coming back.
People who make $200-250k per year are driving around in Tahoe's, living in nice houses, carrying LV bags, etc etc etc...No problem paying for material things! Broad generalization, but you get my drift.
The HORROR at the idea they pay more in taxes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't like the idea of a marriage penalty - at any level.
It isn't my place to tell anyone how to spend the money they worked for.
ETA: Your generalization of those that make 200-250 are so far off. I'm not speaking of one of them but as one that knows, personally and professionally, people in that bracket and their lives aren't characterized by your description. I actually find your generalization somewhat offensive.
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heathergirl
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
Posted by shamrock124
Posted by heathergirl
Posted by shamrock124
Posted by heathergirl
Posted by usuk2004
Posted by jellybean1420
Posted by heathergirl
Posted by jellybean1420
Correct me if I'm wrong, but he lowered the $250k cap to $200k
I think the distinction is between singles and couples - it's 200K for single people and 250K for families
Yes.
So, the marriage penalty is coming back.
People who make $200-250k per year are driving around in Tahoe's, living in nice houses, carrying LV bags, etc etc etc...No problem paying for material things! Broad generalization, but you get my drift.
The HORROR at the idea they pay more in taxes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't like the idea of a marriage penalty - at any level.
It isn't my place to tell anyone how to spend the money they worked for.
ETA: Your generalization of those that make 200-250 are so far off. I'm not speaking of one of them but as one that knows, personally and professionally, people in that bracket and their lives aren't characterized by your description. I actually find your generalization somewhat offensive.
You may find it offensive, but in the world I live in on LI, it's the truth. I know plenty of people like this. Trust me I do. Now, I know not EVERYONE in this bracket is like this, but they are there nonetheless. It's a hypocrisy I have a problem with, NOT how they spend their money. I don't presume to ever tell people how to spend their money.
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
Posted by heathergirl
Posted by shamrock124
Posted by heathergirl
Posted by usuk2004
Posted by jellybean1420
Posted by heathergirl
Posted by jellybean1420
Correct me if I'm wrong, but he lowered the $250k cap to $200k
I think the distinction is between singles and couples - it's 200K for single people and 250K for families
Yes.
So, the marriage penalty is coming back.
People who make $200-250k per year are driving around in Tahoe's, living in nice houses, carrying LV bags, etc etc etc...No problem paying for material things! Broad generalization, but you get my drift.
The HORROR at the idea they pay more in taxes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
one of the dumbest responses yet!!!
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
I think people need to have realistic expectations of change. Nothing is going to happen overnight except maybe people in this country will have a new hope and begin to thrive off that.
He is one man, a president, not a dictator so there is process that has to occur for any changes to take place. He has 4 years in office and even in those 4 years he probably won't be able to change everything he'd like but maybe the ground work will be in place and he can continue if he get's re-elected.
That's how I see it. Some things will happen, some won't.
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
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Posted by heathergirl
Posted by shamrock124
Posted by heathergirl
Posted by usuk2004
Posted by jellybean1420
Posted by heathergirl
Posted by jellybean1420
Correct me if I'm wrong, but he lowered the $250k cap to $200k
I think the distinction is between singles and couples - it's 200K for single people and 250K for families
Yes.
So, the marriage penalty is coming back.
People who make $200-250k per year are driving around in Tahoe's, living in nice houses, carrying LV bags, etc etc etc...No problem paying for material things! Broad generalization, but you get my drift.
The HORROR at the idea they pay more in taxes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
one of the dumbest responses yet!!! [/QUOTES
Really? My comment was not directed at you. I don't JUDGE others peoples comments at DUMB. How am I dumb for pointing out something I see, something I deal with, on DAILY BASIS?
I work with people like this!!!!!!!!
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
Well, I did not vote for him but support him no less and do hope he brings forth the change he promises.
That said, I think the emotion and tears stem not so much that people feel their lives will go from bad to good, but for many people, his election symbolizes that dreams are possible. That you can go from being a slave at one point in time (speaking as a race) to the leader of the free world. I think he inspires people and everyone knew they were certainly watching an important day in history.
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
Posted by heathergirl
Really? My comment was not directed at you. I don't JUDGE others peoples comments at DUMB. How am I dumb for pointing out something I see, something I deal with, on DAILY BASIS?
I work with people like this!!!!!!!!
But who are we to say what people should spend their hard earned money on?
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
This is the rhetoric I heard throughout the campaign, and truly hopes he follows through with:
-Healthcare reform
-Tax reform
-Environmental reform, including the creation of new jobs to support alternative energy
-More $$ into education; hopefuly some kind of reform on the NCLB
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
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I think alot of people didn't read between the lines, including last night in his acceptance speech...
People cry during his speeches and truely feel like their lives are going to change and go from bad to good...just wondering if I am missing something 
I didn't see his acceptance speech. What are you referring to about how people didn't read b/w the lines? What did he say that you feel had more meaning than people realize?
I agree, I don't understand why all these people are crying over him, crying and hugging. I just don't get it. How do they really expect their lives to change that it brings them to tears? I think it's very false hope to be honest. Politics is politics.
Personally, I was brought to tears by his acceptance speech, not so much because of what I predict he will or will not do, but because I felt I was witnessing a tremendous, impactful, historical moment.
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
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I think you bring up some great points and I agree about people having high hopes that are possibly very false ones.
I really would like to know, aside from him making "history" and people being thrilled about that, how do people actually think their daily lives will change b/c of him? I too would like to know concrete ways of how he will change America FOR the better.
I agree. Besides having to pay higher taxes when he puts that into effect  , I don't think my daily life is going to change at all. I was a McCain supporter up until the end and I wound up voting for Obama. Maybe I am naive or a little ignorant but right now my life is not going to change regardless of who the president is.
I do think some uneducated/uninformed people are going to be surprised that their lives won't change.
Here's a conversation that DH heard on the subway this morning - "I'm so happy Obama is President. He's going to get me a job and pay for my healthcare" Yeah, ok 
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
Posted by heathergirl
Posted by shamrock124
Posted by heathergirl
Posted by shamrock124
Posted by heathergirl
Posted by usuk2004
Posted by jellybean1420
Posted by heathergirl
Posted by jellybean1420
Correct me if I'm wrong, but he lowered the $250k cap to $200k
I think the distinction is between singles and couples - it's 200K for single people and 250K for families
Yes.
So, the marriage penalty is coming back.
People who make $200-250k per year are driving around in Tahoe's, living in nice houses, carrying LV bags, etc etc etc...No problem paying for material things! Broad generalization, but you get my drift.
The HORROR at the idea they pay more in taxes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't like the idea of a marriage penalty - at any level.
It isn't my place to tell anyone how to spend the money they worked for.
ETA: Your generalization of those that make 200-250 are so far off. I'm not speaking of one of them but as one that knows, personally and professionally, people in that bracket and their lives aren't characterized by your description. I actually find your generalization somewhat offensive.
You may find it offensive, but in the world I live in on LI, it's the truth. I know plenty of people like this. Trust me I do. Now, I know not EVERYONE in this bracket is like this, but they are there nonetheless. It's a hypocrisy I have a problem with, NOT how they spend their money. I don't presume to ever tell people how to spend their money.
Where is the hypocrisy, even in your example? If your problem is with people buying luxury items and complaining about possible higher taxes, perhaps sales and luxury taxes should be increased - not tax brackets?
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
Diplomacy -- I think that Obama will be going back to an idea that he has to work with other nations vs. being arrogant like the Bush administration has been. Around the world our country is despised...but IMO the world as a whole has seen that he will be someone new and refreshing and they will have respect for him that they did not have for the past 8 years.
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
Posted by heathergirl
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Posted by heathergirl
Posted by shamrock124
Posted by heathergirl
Posted by usuk2004
Posted by jellybean1420
Posted by heathergirl
Posted by jellybean1420
Correct me if I'm wrong, but he lowered the $250k cap to $200k
I think the distinction is between singles and couples - it's 200K for single people and 250K for families
Yes.
So, the marriage penalty is coming back.
People who make $200-250k per year are driving around in Tahoe's, living in nice houses, carrying LV bags, etc etc etc...No problem paying for material things! Broad generalization, but you get my drift.
The HORROR at the idea they pay more in taxes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
one of the dumbest responses yet!!! [/QUOTES
Really? My comment was not directed at you. I don't JUDGE others peoples comments at DUMB. How am I dumb for pointing out something I see, something I deal with, on DAILY BASIS?
I work with people like this!!!!!!!!
it was a complete broad generalization - I see people every day who are on welfare - if i wrote a generalization like they are all completely lazy and only want handouts, i would get flamed. the post was not that well thought out
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
Posted by heathergirl
You may find it offensive, but in the world I live in on LI, it's the truth. I know plenty of people like this. Trust me I do. Now, I know not EVERYONE in this bracket is like this, but they are there nonetheless. It's a hypocrisy I have a problem with, NOT how they spend their money. I don't presume to ever tell people how to spend their money.
You should really be more careful about making generalizations like the above - do you know everyone's financial status? For all you know, the ones driving around in Tahoe's and carrying an LV bag make well under $250k but spend their savings competing with the Jones'. Personally, my family does make over $250k, and we NEVER buy new cars, we do not own a Tahoe, I don't have any namebrand, expensive purses, and rarely spend $$ on anything materialistic. And the friends that I know who make over $250k don't spend $$ like that either.
I find it disgraceful that there is such an acceptance of reverse discrimination - if ANYONE made these same kind of assumptions, in the reverse, about people who make less than $250k, they would be crucified. And, yet, somehow, as long as the comments are directed to people who earn a certain amount of $$, it's all of a sudden ok to make such rash, judgemental generalizations.
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
I expect no change at all if he can't get people to work together.
or believe that change is not made by just one person.
or that the govt should fix everything, yet do not want to give the $$ to fund it
or that we should not care about each other/be each others keeper
or that we should give people free rides to the detriment of others
I see no change being made if we the people cannot take a step back for even one second to see and understand anothers point of view.
I see no change if we cannot empathize with each other...whether we make 30k or 300k. that we cannot see how we can each struggle, how we each WORK HARD and try to make a better life for our families, regardless what our employment is.
I see no change if we throw catch phrases at each other, blame government and excuse corporations and ourselves for our current woes.
I see no change unless we are ALL forced to take responsibility for ourselves, for each other, and for our place in the world.
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
Posted by Bxgell2
Posted by heathergirl
You may find it offensive, but in the world I live in on LI, it's the truth. I know plenty of people like this. Trust me I do. Now, I know not EVERYONE in this bracket is like this, but they are there nonetheless. It's a hypocrisy I have a problem with, NOT how they spend their money. I don't presume to ever tell people how to spend their money.
You should really be more careful about making generalizations like the above - do you know everyone's financial status? For all you know, the ones driving around in Tahoe's and carrying an LV bag make well under $250k but spend their savings competing with the Jones'. Personally, my family does make over $250k, and we NEVER buy new cars, we do not own a Tahoe, I don't have any namebrand, expensive purses, and rarely spend $$ on anything materialistic. And the friends that I know who make over $250k don't spend $$ like that either.
I find it disgraceful that there is such an acceptance of reverse discrimination - if ANYONE made these same kind of assumptions, in the reverse, about people who make less than $250k, they would be crucified. And, yet, somehow, as long as the comments are directed to people who earn a certain amount of $$, it's all of a sudden ok to make such rash, judgemental generalizations.
ITA - I started responding and couldnt get the words right. 
And just for the record - I don't drive a Tahoe, or have an LV bag. But I did ask for one for Xmas - so sue me for being materialistic 
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
Posted by MrsPJB2007
Diplomacy -- I think that Obama will be going back to an idea that he has to work with other nations vs. being arrogant like the Bush administration has been. Around the world our country is despised...but IMO the world as a whole has seen that he will be someone new and refreshing and they will have respect for him that they did not have for the past 8 years.
ITA- I think the biggest change will be in our perception around the world. I also think that Obama is certain to be a dissapointment to many because he has lofty, (though admirable) goals, some of which are not likely to be realized in a four (or even 8) year term when at least the next year or 2 will be spent in a financial downturn.
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
Posted by Bxgell2
Posted by heathergirl
You may find it offensive, but in the world I live in on LI, it's the truth. I know plenty of people like this. Trust me I do. Now, I know not EVERYONE in this bracket is like this, but they are there nonetheless. It's a hypocrisy I have a problem with, NOT how they spend their money. I don't presume to ever tell people how to spend their money.
You should really be more careful about making generalizations like the above - do you know everyone's financial status? For all you know, the ones driving around in Tahoe's and carrying an LV bag make well under $250k but spend their savings competing with the Jones'. Personally, my family does make over $250k, and we NEVER buy new cars, we do not own a Tahoe, I don't have any namebrand, expensive purses, and rarely spend $$ on anything materialistic. And the friends that I know who make over $250k don't spend $$ like that either.
I find it disgraceful that there is such an acceptance of reverse discrimination - if ANYONE made these same kind of assumptions, in the reverse, about people who make less than $250k, they would be crucified. And, yet, somehow, as long as the comments are directed to people who earn a certain amount of $$, it's all of a sudden ok to make such rash, judgemental generalizations.
very good post - i was too tired to write and all i could say was that it was dumb! your response was so much more articulate - thank you -
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heathergirl
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
Posted by heathergirl
Posted by shamrock124
Posted by heathergirl
Posted by shamrock124
Posted by heathergirl
Posted by usuk2004
Posted by jellybean1420
Posted by heathergirl
Posted by jellybean1420
Correct me if I'm wrong, but he lowered the $250k cap to $200k
I think the distinction is between singles and couples - it's 200K for single people and 250K for families
Yes.
So, the marriage penalty is coming back.
People who make $200-250k per year are driving around in Tahoe's, living in nice houses, carrying LV bags, etc etc etc...No problem paying for material things! Broad generalization, but you get my drift.
The HORROR at the idea they pay more in taxes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't like the idea of a marriage penalty - at any level.
It isn't my place to tell anyone how to spend the money they worked for.
ETA: Your generalization of those that make 200-250 are so far off. I'm not speaking of one of them but as one that knows, personally and professionally, people in that bracket and their lives aren't characterized by your description. I actually find your generalization somewhat offensive.
You may find it offensive, but in the world I live in on LI, it's the truth. I know plenty of people like this. Trust me I do. Now, I know not EVERYONE in this bracket is like this, but they are there nonetheless. It's a hypocrisy I have a problem with, NOT how they spend their money. I don't presume to ever tell people how to spend their money.
Please read my above statement. I do not wish to tell people how to spend their money. It is a hypocrisy I have a problem with. I am pointing out observations I see and deal with. That is what I am saying.
Why am I getting crucified for pointing out something I see? Now everyone's gotta jump down my throay. Makes me wonder.
This place is a shame. 
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
I think it is important to say Obama/Biden are now in office. We need to be positive and hope that they stick to what was said and there is a better life for us. Not only us but the future of this country. And I do believe it has begun!!
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
Ok maybe I am missing something. Alot of you have said that you don't expect the change he has promised.
That by him just getting elected we have seen change. That it shows people that the "dream" is possible. And that we gain respect from other countries (are we sure this is true?)
I thought we elected presidents because we really thought they could get the job done. Because they had the best ideas and the experience to get things done. Not to have lofty ideas that sound good in a well written speech. Right now with the way our nation is there is a HUGE job ahead of our next president.
I think people may be VERY disappointed in 4 years or 8 years when all that was accomplished by an Obama presidency was making history.
We can't afford for the next 4 years to be a fluffy promise of hope.
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
Posted by heathergirl
People who make $200-250k per year are driving around in Tahoe's, living in nice houses, carrying LV bags, etc etc etc...No problem paying for material things! Broad generalization, but you get my drift.
The HORROR at the idea they pay more in taxes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So were people making only 50k a year. Look around...I see PLENTY of people on LI and EVERYWHERE else living as though they are wealthy.....that's part of how our country is in the economic mess it is in. I know more people who have all the above who don't make 200-250k and insist on living above their means.
Why the begrudging the people who work hard and happen to earn more and buy what they like and can afford? Why should they have to share the profit of their hard work with ANYONE else?
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