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photoshopbabe
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
altho i voted for him, i dont see any change coming.
honestly...i dont see anything a president has done to change my life in any way with any recent presidencies...
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
Posted by heathergirl
Please read my above statement. I do not wish to tell people how to spend their money. It is a hypocrisy I have a problem with. I am pointing out observations I see and deal with. That is what I am saying.
Why am I getting crucified for pointing out something I see? Now everyone's gotta jump down my throay. Makes me wonder.
This place is a shame. 
What hypocrisy? Did everyone that can afford a LV bag refuse to pay higher taxes? I don't see the hypocrisy you refer to and I ask that you give me an example.
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| Posted 11/5/08 10:24 AM |
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heathergirl
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
Forget it.
I have to go to work.
I will no longer voice my opinion on this board.
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| Posted 11/5/08 10:25 AM |
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Goobster
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
Posted by Jenhos
Ok maybe I am missing something. Alot of you have said that you don't expect the change he has promised.
That by him just getting elected we have seen change. That it shows people that the "dream" is possible. And that we gain respect from other countries (are we sure this is true?)
I thought we elected presidents because we really thought they could get the job done. Because they had the best ideas and the experience to get things done. Not to have lofty ideas that sound good in a well written speech. Right now with the way our nation is there is a HUGE job ahead of our next president.
I think people may be VERY disappointed in 4 years or 8 years when all that was accomplished by an Obama presidency was making history.
We can't afford for the next 4 years to be a fluffy promise of hope.
Love the points you made!
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| Posted 11/5/08 10:25 AM |
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Bxgell2
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
Posted by heathergirl
Why am I getting crucified for pointing out something I see? Now everyone's gotta jump down my throay. Makes me wonder.
Why? Because there are quite a few ladies on here who do bring in that income, and take it as a personal affront when someone automatically assumes that we are all driving around in Tahoe's, buying expensive purses and material things, and are horrified at the thought of paying taxes.
I presume that if I came on here and said the opposite of those who make under $250k, that they are lazy and need to stop expecting handouts (which is NOT AT ALL WHAT I BELIEVE, I am merely making a point), those people would just as hurt and offended.
It's just not respectful, or right, to make such rash judgements about a whole class of people.
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| Posted 11/5/08 10:27 AM |
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CookiePuss
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
Posted by heathergirl
Forget it.
I have to go to work.
I will no longer voice my opinion on this board.
Instead of playing the martyr, give an example of the hypocrisy?
You made, what is perceived by some to be unfair, generalization. I asked you to clarify what you meant by hypocrisy but haven't. 
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| Posted 11/5/08 10:27 AM |
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Tine73
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
Posted by heathergirl
Forget it.
I have to go to work.
I will no longer voice my opinion on this board.
See Ya!
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| Posted 11/5/08 10:31 AM |
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heathergirl
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
What part of "I have to go to work" do you not understand?
Look, I was not intending to offend anyone. For the tenth time, I was stating an observation of what I see and deal with in my own life. I know people who spend, spend, spend (and that is their right, I will not tell them not to buy something--they are completely entitled to that) but complain about paying taxes. To me that is hypocritical, IMO.
Now, I realize that everyone is not like this. Again, I was making a point based on something I see/deal with. I do not think there is anything wrong with that. I did not mean to offend anyone. I am sorry if I did.
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| Posted 11/5/08 10:32 AM |
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Ophelia
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
Posted by Goobster
Posted by Jenhos
Ok maybe I am missing something. Alot of you have said that you don't expect the change he has promised.
That by him just getting elected we have seen change. That it shows people that the "dream" is possible. And that we gain respect from other countries (are we sure this is true?)
I thought we elected presidents because we really thought they could get the job done. Because they had the best ideas and the experience to get things done. Not to have lofty ideas that sound good in a well written speech. Right now with the way our nation is there is a HUGE job ahead of our next president.
I think people may be VERY disappointed in 4 years or 8 years when all that was accomplished by an Obama presidency was making history.
We can't afford for the next 4 years to be a fluffy promise of hope.
Love the points you made!
my point was/is that nothing that if we don't believe we need to have a hand in it, nothing will ever change.
Obama's whole campaign was based on Yes, WE Can.
if we leave him to try to do it alone, we will fail. and he will have failed by default.
so my expectation I guess is that Obama will help us ALL make change the change we want to make.
I pray to God that he can make some real change to the healthcare industry...but we as people should be aware of what the problems of it are and also work to make the solutions.
I KNOW he will change our face on the world...he already has and I am so excited about it.
nothing can be accomplished though, without our support.
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| Posted 11/5/08 10:36 AM |
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usuk2004
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
Posted by Jenhos
Ok maybe I am missing something. Alot of you have said that you don't expect the change he has promised.
That by him just getting elected we have seen change. That it shows people that the "dream" is possible. And that we gain respect from other countries (are we sure this is true?)
I thought we elected presidents because we really thought they could get the job done. Because they had the best ideas and the experience to get things done. Not to have lofty ideas that sound good in a well written speech. Right now with the way our nation is there is a HUGE job ahead of our next president.
I think people may be VERY disappointed in 4 years or 8 years when all that was accomplished by an Obama presidency was making history.
We can't afford for the next 4 years to be a fluffy promise of hope.
He's got a huge agenda in front of him and hurdles in the form of the senate (I'm not saying that's a bad thing - it's obviously part of our system of checks and balances). To think he's going to waltz in and start to single handedly make radical changes is just not very realistic. I think that he'll lay foundations for some of his programmes that are not necessarily achieveable in 4-8 years.
In my eyes, the biggest job to do at the moment is to stop isolating the US from other parts of the world and to reach out to other countries with an intelligent, steady hand. And I think that he's ALREADY done that! And will continue to. And yes, I definitely do know firsthand that other countries are showing the US more respect. I *think* that had McCain been elected there would have been severe reservations coming from other countries because of Palin.
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| Posted 11/5/08 10:36 AM |
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Ophelia
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
sweet Jesu. and people think I am bad. 
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| Posted 11/5/08 10:37 AM |
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sunnyplus3
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
Posted by heathergirl
What part of "I have to go to work" do you not understand?
Look, I was not intending to offend anyone. For the tenth time, I was stating an observation of what I see and deal with in my own life. I know people who spend, spend, spend (and that is their right, I will not tell them not to buy something--they are completely entitled to that) but complain about paying taxes. To me that is hypocritical, IMO.
Now, I realize that everyone is not like this. Again, I was making a point based on something I see/deal with. I do not think there is anything wrong with that. I did not mean to offend anyone. I am sorry if I did.
I think your opinion was taken as a generalization. My boss lives in an fairly affluent community. All of his neighbors are showy & love the keeping up game including him by his own admission. He has often mentioned at school budget vote time that he is horrified by how many of his big spender neighbors brag about voting down the school budget because they don't want the taxes raised. He thinks its silly because the schools are great there & all of the people want the best for their kids & nobody is struggling to earn a good living.
So I see your point of view, but that is not to say that ALL high earners feel that way or that they are not entitled to vote against higher taxes even though they spend money on luxurious things. KWIM?
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| Posted 11/5/08 10:37 AM |
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cjik
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
Repair our relations with other countries, and judging from their response to his election, he has an easy beginning, at least with our allies.
Address the economy woes, though what he can do, I really don't know.
Make good on his promise for a push to develop alternate energy sources similar to Kennedy's man on the moon initiative.
I would hope universal health care sees th elight of day, though I'm wondering if this is going to get lost in the shuffle.
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Goobster
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
Posted by heathergirl
I was stating an observation of what I see and deal with in my own life. I know people who spend, spend, spend (and that is their right, I will not tell them not to buy something--they are completely entitled to that) but complain about paying taxes. To me that is hypocritical, IMO.
I don't see how someone who makes more than someone else is a hypocrite b/c they don't feel they should be penalized for making more $ by being taxed at a higher rate?
In my own life, I see the opposite of what you see. I see too many people putting themselves in debt to buy things they should not be buying. Funny that all those people voted for Obama, for "change". Why don't they start the change with themselves I wonder? I am so tired of people copping out, blaming others instead of themselves.
Message edited 11/5/2008 10:42:59 AM.
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heathergirl
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
Posted by KellyFG
Posted by heathergirl
What part of "I have to go to work" do you not understand?
Look, I was not intending to offend anyone. For the tenth time, I was stating an observation of what I see and deal with in my own life. I know people who spend, spend, spend (and that is their right, I will not tell them not to buy something--they are completely entitled to that) but complain about paying taxes. To me that is hypocritical, IMO.
Now, I realize that everyone is not like this. Again, I was making a point based on something I see/deal with. I do not think there is anything wrong with that. I did not mean to offend anyone. I am sorry if I did.
I think your opinion was taken as a generalization. My boss lives in an fairly affluent community. All of his neighbors are showy & love the keeping up game including him by his own admission. He has often mentioned at school budget vote time that he is horrified by how many of his big spender neighbors brag about voting down the school budget because they don't want the taxes raised. He thinks its silly because the schools are great there & all of the people want the best for their kids & nobody is struggling to earn a good living.
So I see your point of view, but that is not to say that ALL high earners feel that way or that they are not entitled to vote against higher taxes even though they spend money on luxurious things. KWIM?
Thank you. I wasn't saying ALL high earners feel that way, I was merely stating what/who I deal with regarding this situation.
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| Posted 11/5/08 10:46 AM |
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Blu-ize
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
this is how I feel.
I feel President Elect Obama has already set the groundwork for change because we feel ready for a change in attitude but only if we change ourselves. I feel that personally, I am willing to look at things positively and not with cynisism as I have for the past 8 years. I can feel proud about my country because the world will see us differently. That lifts me up.
He is smart, diplomatic, down to earth and will surround himself with an excellent staff, cabinet and advisors. He is aware of what's ahead of him. He is taking his position very seriously.
He may not accomplish everything he sets out for, no President has to date but I feel very confident that he will make our country better than it was before based on what I previously said.
The change starts with us. I think Senator McCain would have been a good president but I saw him as divisive. I don't see Obama that way.
There's no black and white to this. Nothing is perfect, but as a country I feel we need to be more united and work together. I feel that Obama will make some small changes and some bigger ones that will allow us to make changes in ourselves. Maybe, through a new healthcare initiative, maybe through energy conservation, maybe through new tax codes, but mostly about us being Americans and being proud of our country.
I think we will acheive more in the next 4 years than we have in the last 8.
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| Posted 11/5/08 12:53 PM |
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seaside
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
[However, as things settle down and the honeymoon phase wears off, reality will set in that each ONE of us is responsible for our lives, regardless of who is president.
Great post to begin with and GREAT answer.
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| Posted 11/5/08 1:06 PM |
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Jenhos
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
But hasn't it always been that each one of us is responsible for our own lives? Why is that different now? All of a sudden we have this amazing inspirational speaker standing up there and people are NOW ready to take responsibility for themselves and not blame our gov't for everything?
And in response to USUK (I can't quote-sad I know) Are we gaining the respect of other countries because we elected a black president or because we choose the right president? Having all the respect in the world from other countries isn't going to turn our economy around. Isn't going to keep us safe from countries that will never like us.
At the end of the day I feel better having a guy in the white house that is ready to handle those things as opposed to promising things can change with no substance behind it. That is what I meant by not being able to afford 4 years of fluffy promises.
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smdl
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
We need to go back to the last 7-8 years.
There is an administration in place that people are not happy with. We just need to see the rating. It speaks for itself. Let's listen to our family, neighboors and co-workers.
The US has been at war for 7 years
The economy is down the drain
Lots of people are losing their job. Still today people are talking about 3000 layoffs in their company today
Everything is so expensive.
All of this under the Republican admistration.
A lot of people are informed about Obama and a lot are not.
BUT people are tired of the current situation. They want something/someone new. Give it a shot. They probably thing "What could get worst?". They WANT to hope that it's not going to be the old same old.
McCain being more centrist had a chance.
Yes, plenty of people voted for Obama but some also voted for him because they did not want Palin. She is an ultra conservatrice. Which mean for many people that "nothing will change".
The whole concept is not new. You vote for the opposite party since it does not seem to work under the current one.
Obama has big shoes to fill. There is no doubt. But if you don't change anything, nothing will change. It will remain the same. The same things people complain about every day.
Maybe he is not the answer. We will find out. How can we change anything if we don't get the ball going?
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seaside
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Re: What kind of "CHANGE" are you expecting Obama to make?
Expectations (these are just a few--there are so many):
1. Crackdown on tax evasion--all tax evasion, abuse of the system, insurance fraud, book cooking on all levels. rid the laws of loopholes that allow for things like golden parachutes for CEO's off of sinking ships taht take us all down with them. From SSDI fraud and abuse to corrupt execs--HUGE crackdowns across the board. A moderate investment of $ and resouces into law enforcement and prosecutions/investigations & such crackdowns wil yield $$$, morale, and trust in the system--all of which are sorely lacking
2. National security: improvements on ALL fronts--again--more $$ and wisely spent into efforts, intelligence operations, diplomacy, everything that will keep American soil as safe as possible.
...I'll keep this a work in progess....
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