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Re: They/Them
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Myself, and my kids only use he/she or her/him. How did the world survive all these years without 70 different genders lol
Good to know you're raising tolerant kids. 
I think it’s ridiculous they are pushing this crap on kids. Confusing them at ages when they are navigating the tween/teen years.
Who is this evil "they" that's forcing your kids into a spectrum of gender? Sounds so scary.
If you have ever know a person who is transgender, non-binary, etc etc you'd realize pretty damn fast they weren't coerced into anything. In fact, while others around them might have been unaware they've know their whole lives they were different in some way.
Nobody is pushing anything on your children. That's fact.
Yes, I agree many know early on.
But by making this a “thing” and having kids select their pronouns confuses them. I have a cousin whose 11 year old decided to announce her pronouns “her/she” on tik tok under her biography or whatever it’s called. Why is that even a thing?? If you want to be called something different than you have your entire life then I guess let people know. But if people know you as a certain gender and nothing changes….why announce it? Why is this even a thing? Especially at 11.
They are just copying what others do. They see a friend or other tik tokers do it and they have to to do it. Follow the crowd
Which is fine, until the thing is something dangerous... like everyone is vaping or eating tide pods or whatever- then it becomes an issue with the whole I have to be like everyone else
Ehh but kids follow. As much as we want them all to be leaders, it's par for the course of them growing and learning. That is where parenting comes in play to make sure your kid doesnt follow those stupid dangerous trends.
I do think kids arent being pushed this by anyone. It's definitely mostly media, social media and peers. My son didn't learn that from his teachers or me. LOL.
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Re: They/Them
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I find it weird to use they/them for a person you know. It's different when it's more "anonymous". Like, if you're driving and a car cuts you off. You can't see who's driving, so you say "Man, I can't believe they cut me off!" But, "Sally picked up their backpack" sounds weird and totally grammatically inicorrect!
. It sounds extremely weird and awkward. The whole concept is silly. Even if you don’t feel like a boy or a girl , you are biologically one or the other. Feel however you like internally, but don’t expect other people to cater to it with this silliness.
There is so much wrong with this comment but I'll say this, if a person EXPLICITLY asks you to refer to them by a particular pronoun and you ignore that request because you think it's "silly", it makes you an a$$hole.
I think most of the comments on this thread are gross.
How can you claim to be a compassionate human raising compassionate humans if you can't even learn a pronoun.
Dinosaurs, man.
My kids are as compassionate as they come. You raise compassionate kids by showing them how to love, give and embrace however that doesn't mean as as a parent have to force them to worry about how the may offend a VERY VERY small population. Most people are not worried about being called they/them. That is crazy. As long as my kids are kids, they will identify people to how they see them, boy or girl, he/she, Miss, Mr. etc just like we always have all these years. I refuse to have them bend to this woke trend.
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Re: They/Them
Posted by lululu
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I am so happy I grew up in the 80s... life was easier, there was less pressure to grow up- there is no need for 11 year old children to need pronouns
While I agree with you in some ways, think about how difficult growing up in the 80s was for transgender or gay children. Forced to conform with societal norms and not let anyone know who they really are for fear of being ostracized? I can't even really imagine how hard that must have been.
I do agree - I am thankful that the world hopefully is more accepting, but I do worry that kids now are rushing everything, maybe it's too much social media or media in general- I limit my children's time on devices but they hear stuff on the bus, at school etc.
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Re: They/Them
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Once you simply accept the fact that there are some people who wish to go by certain pronouns you will do a lot less eye rolling. The fact is, it comes down to respect for another human being. It's unnecessary to understand why someone chose a particular pronoun nor does a person have to agree or like it BUT being a tolerant person means you keep your opinions to yourself and respect a person's wishes.
Just because someone has decided in their head that there should only be gay, straight, boy and girl doesn't change the reality that there is a far greater spectrum than that.
This is why these kids have so many issues. You are born a boy or girl. You like who you like.
And then what would an intersex baby be? I grew up with a very close family friend who was not born with male/female sex organs, but looked like a girl. I never knew this until I was older. Then what are those people? ‘Its’?
What did they identify as a person? Did they have a boy or girl name? Whom did they interact with more? Did they ever get married? To which sex?
They (with a female name, whatever that means) adopted two children and married a man (I have no details about her husband’s sex organs).
But the point is they identified as a woman. Whatever someone identifies with isn’t what sexual organ they were born with. They identify with what they identify with. You kind of just contradicted your original statement.
Edit: new keyboard.
“ Whatever someone identifies with isn’t what sexual organ they were born with.”
Amazing this has worked for a LONG time and everyone was fine with it.
Slavery has been around from the dawn of time...so I guess you are good with owning people since it's so embedded in human history.
Screw progress!
To quote someone's favorite... A.MEN
No need to change with the times and make progress. Nobody has time for any of that.
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They/Them
I agree it’s almost become a trend and there are positives and negatives to that. On a positive note, I think it’s made people more conscious and accepting of trans people (except on LIF, it would seem). Negatively, I think it can diminish the support one who is truly trans might receive.
As far as pronouns, I’ll call anyone whatever they want to be called. The pronoun someone chooses for themselves has no consequences on my life.
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Re: They/Them
Posted by jellybean78
Posted by mrsrainbow
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by MrsA1012
Posted by nycbuslady
I find it weird to use they/them for a person you know. It's different when it's more "anonymous". Like, if you're driving and a car cuts you off. You can't see who's driving, so you say "Man, I can't believe they cut me off!" But, "Sally picked up their backpack" sounds weird and totally grammatically inicorrect!
. It sounds extremely weird and awkward. The whole concept is silly. Even if you don’t feel like a boy or a girl , you are biologically one or the other. Feel however you like internally, but don’t expect other people to cater to it with this silliness.
There is so much wrong with this comment but I'll say this, if a person EXPLICITLY asks you to refer to them by a particular pronoun and you ignore that request because you think it's "silly", it makes you an a$$hole.
I think most of the comments on this thread are gross.
How can you claim to be a compassionate human raising compassionate humans if you can't even learn a pronoun.
Dinosaurs, man.
My kids are as compassionate as they come. You raise compassionate kids by showing them how to love, give and embrace however that doesn't mean as as a parent have to force them to worry about how the may offend a VERY VERY small population. Most people are not worried about being called they/them. That is crazy. As long as my kids are kids, they will identify people to how they see them, boy or girl, he/she, Miss, Mr. etc just like we always have all these years. I refuse to have them bend to this woke trend.
You would tell your child to purposely refer to someone by a pronoun they do not identify with, even if specifically asked to use the person’s chosen pronoun?
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Re: They/Them
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Once you simply accept the fact that there are some people who wish to go by certain pronouns you will do a lot less eye rolling. The fact is, it comes down to respect for another human being. It's unnecessary to understand why someone chose a particular pronoun nor does a person have to agree or like it BUT being a tolerant person means you keep your opinions to yourself and respect a person's wishes.
Just because someone has decided in their head that there should only be gay, straight, boy and girl doesn't change the reality that there is a far greater spectrum than that.
This is why these kids have so many issues. You are born a boy or girl. You like who you like.
And then what would an intersex baby be? I grew up with a very close family friend who was not born with male/female sex organs, but looked like a girl. I never knew this until I was older. Then what are those people? ‘Its’?
What did they identify as a person? Did they have a boy or girl name? Whom did they interact with more? Did they ever get married? To which sex?
They (with a female name, whatever that means) adopted two children and married a man (I have no details about her husband’s sex organs).
But the point is they identified as a woman. Whatever someone identifies with isn’t what sexual organ they were born with. They identify with what they identify with. You kind of just contradicted your original statement.
Edit: new keyboard.
“ Whatever someone identifies with isn’t what sexual organ they were born with.”
Amazing this has worked for a LONG time and everyone was fine with it.
Slavery has been around from the dawn of time...so I guess you are good with owning people since it's so embedded in human history.
Screw progress!
How is this progress to say there are 70 something genders? When is the last time you heard someone have a gender reveal or at birth say anything other than it’s a boy or its a girl?
A baby is 0 hours old when it is born. It doesn’t identify with anything except the need to eat and feel safe. Anatomically, they are mostly born with some sort of sex organ. Gender is something different. Google it (didn’t you subscribe to this as life advice in another post?).
Then I guess all these people should be calling their reveals a SEX reveal, NOT gender.
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Re: They/Them
Posted by jellybean78
Posted by mrsrainbow
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by MrsA1012
Posted by nycbuslady
I find it weird to use they/them for a person you know. It's different when it's more "anonymous". Like, if you're driving and a car cuts you off. You can't see who's driving, so you say "Man, I can't believe they cut me off!" But, "Sally picked up their backpack" sounds weird and totally grammatically inicorrect!
. It sounds extremely weird and awkward. The whole concept is silly. Even if you don’t feel like a boy or a girl , you are biologically one or the other. Feel however you like internally, but don’t expect other people to cater to it with this silliness.
There is so much wrong with this comment but I'll say this, if a person EXPLICITLY asks you to refer to them by a particular pronoun and you ignore that request because you think it's "silly", it makes you an a$$hole.
I think most of the comments on this thread are gross.
How can you claim to be a compassionate human raising compassionate humans if you can't even learn a pronoun.
Dinosaurs, man.
My kids are as compassionate as they come. You raise compassionate kids by showing them how to love, give and embrace however that doesn't mean as as a parent have to force them to worry about how the may offend a VERY VERY small population. Most people are not worried about being called they/them. That is crazy. As long as my kids are kids, they will identify people to how they see them, boy or girl, he/she, Miss, Mr. etc just like we always have all these years. I refuse to have them bend to this woke trend.
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Re: They/Them
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Once you simply accept the fact that there are some people who wish to go by certain pronouns you will do a lot less eye rolling. The fact is, it comes down to respect for another human being. It's unnecessary to understand why someone chose a particular pronoun nor does a person have to agree or like it BUT being a tolerant person means you keep your opinions to yourself and respect a person's wishes.
Just because someone has decided in their head that there should only be gay, straight, boy and girl doesn't change the reality that there is a far greater spectrum than that.
This is why these kids have so many issues. You are born a boy or girl. You like who you like.
And then what would an intersex baby be? I grew up with a very close family friend who was not born with male/female sex organs, but looked like a girl. I never knew this until I was older. Then what are those people? ‘Its’?
What did they identify as a person? Did they have a boy or girl name? Whom did they interact with more? Did they ever get married? To which sex?
They (with a female name, whatever that means) adopted two children and married a man (I have no details about her husband’s sex organs).
But the point is they identified as a woman. Whatever someone identifies with isn’t what sexual organ they were born with. They identify with what they identify with. You kind of just contradicted your original statement.
Edit: new keyboard.
“ Whatever someone identifies with isn’t what sexual organ they were born with.”
Amazing this has worked for a LONG time and everyone was fine with it.
Slavery has been around from the dawn of time...so I guess you are good with owning people since it's so embedded in human history.
Screw progress!
How is this progress to say there are 70 something genders? When is the last time you heard someone have a gender reveal or at birth say anything other than it’s a boy or its a girl?
A baby is 0 hours old when it is born. It doesn’t identify with anything except the need to eat and feel safe. Anatomically, they are mostly born with some sort of sex organ. Gender is something different. Google it (didn’t you subscribe to this as life advice in another post?).
Then I guess all these people should be calling their reveals a SEX reveal, NOT gender.
You are just realizing this now?
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Re: They/Them
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by jellybean78
Posted by mrsrainbow
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by MrsA1012
Posted by nycbuslady
I find it weird to use they/them for a person you know. It's different when it's more "anonymous". Like, if you're driving and a car cuts you off. You can't see who's driving, so you say "Man, I can't believe they cut me off!" But, "Sally picked up their backpack" sounds weird and totally grammatically inicorrect!
. It sounds extremely weird and awkward. The whole concept is silly. Even if you don’t feel like a boy or a girl , you are biologically one or the other. Feel however you like internally, but don’t expect other people to cater to it with this silliness.
There is so much wrong with this comment but I'll say this, if a person EXPLICITLY asks you to refer to them by a particular pronoun and you ignore that request because you think it's "silly", it makes you an a$$hole.
I think most of the comments on this thread are gross.
How can you claim to be a compassionate human raising compassionate humans if you can't even learn a pronoun.
Dinosaurs, man.
My kids are as compassionate as they come. You raise compassionate kids by showing them how to love, give and embrace however that doesn't mean as as a parent have to force them to worry about how the may offend a VERY VERY small population. Most people are not worried about being called they/them. That is crazy. As long as my kids are kids, they will identify people to how they see them, boy or girl, he/she, Miss, Mr. etc just like we always have all these years. I refuse to have them bend to this woke trend.
You would tell your child to purposely refer to someone by a pronoun they do not identify with, even if specifically asked to use the person’s chosen pronoun?
Exactly.
Obviously when dealing with strangers for a quick minute it would be impossible to know what pronoun is preferred. But when an individual EXPLICITLY asks that you refer to them in a specific manner than out of respect, you oblige.
That is what you SHOULD be teaching your kids. It's not about doing what makes YOU comfortable, it's about respecting others and being a decent human being.
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Re: They/Them
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
Once you simply accept the fact that there are some people who wish to go by certain pronouns you will do a lot less eye rolling. The fact is, it comes down to respect for another human being. It's unnecessary to understand why someone chose a particular pronoun nor does a person have to agree or like it BUT being a tolerant person means you keep your opinions to yourself and respect a person's wishes.
Just because someone has decided in their head that there should only be gay, straight, boy and girl doesn't change the reality that there is a far greater spectrum than that.
This is why these kids have so many issues. You are born a boy or girl. You like who you like.
And then what would an intersex baby be? I grew up with a very close family friend who was not born with male/female sex organs, but looked like a girl. I never knew this until I was older. Then what are those people? ‘Its’?
What did they identify as a person? Did they have a boy or girl name? Whom did they interact with more? Did they ever get married? To which sex?
They (with a female name, whatever that means) adopted two children and married a man (I have no details about her husband’s sex organs).
But the point is they identified as a woman. Whatever someone identifies with isn’t what sexual organ they were born with. They identify with what they identify with. You kind of just contradicted your original statement.
Edit: new keyboard.
“ Whatever someone identifies with isn’t what sexual organ they were born with.”
Amazing this has worked for a LONG time and everyone was fine with it.
Slavery has been around from the dawn of time...so I guess you are good with owning people since it's so embedded in human history.
Screw progress!
How is this progress to say there are 70 something genders? When is the last time you heard someone have a gender reveal or at birth say anything other than it’s a boy or its a girl?
A baby is 0 hours old when it is born. It doesn’t identify with anything except the need to eat and feel safe. Anatomically, they are mostly born with some sort of sex organ. Gender is something different. Google it (didn’t you subscribe to this as life advice in another post?).
Then I guess all these people should be calling their reveals a SEX reveal, NOT gender.
You are just realizing this now?
What does this have to do with me? I am stating that these are called gender reveals, not sex. Let me know the next time you see someone called it a sex reveal. I doubt you will ever see that.
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Re: They/Them
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by jellybean78
Posted by mrsrainbow
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by MrsA1012
Posted by nycbuslady
I find it weird to use they/them for a person you know. It's different when it's more "anonymous". Like, if you're driving and a car cuts you off. You can't see who's driving, so you say "Man, I can't believe they cut me off!" But, "Sally picked up their backpack" sounds weird and totally grammatically inicorrect!
. It sounds extremely weird and awkward. The whole concept is silly. Even if you don’t feel like a boy or a girl , you are biologically one or the other. Feel however you like internally, but don’t expect other people to cater to it with this silliness.
There is so much wrong with this comment but I'll say this, if a person EXPLICITLY asks you to refer to them by a particular pronoun and you ignore that request because you think it's "silly", it makes you an a$$hole.
I think most of the comments on this thread are gross.
How can you claim to be a compassionate human raising compassionate humans if you can't even learn a pronoun.
Dinosaurs, man.
My kids are as compassionate as they come. You raise compassionate kids by showing them how to love, give and embrace however that doesn't mean as as a parent have to force them to worry about how the may offend a VERY VERY small population. Most people are not worried about being called they/them. That is crazy. As long as my kids are kids, they will identify people to how they see them, boy or girl, he/she, Miss, Mr. etc just like we always have all these years. I refuse to have them bend to this woke trend.
You would tell your child to purposely refer to someone by a pronoun they do not identify with, even if specifically asked to use the person’s chosen pronoun?
Exactly.
Obviously when dealing with strangers for a quick minute it would be impossible to know what pronoun is preferred. But when an individual EXPLICITLY asks that you refer to them in a specific manner than out of respect, you oblige.
That is what you SHOULD be teaching your kids. It's not about doing what makes YOU comfortable, it's about respecting others and being a decent human being.
I don’t think anyone said otherwise.
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Re: They/Them
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by jellybean78
Posted by mrsrainbow
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by MrsA1012
Posted by nycbuslady
I find it weird to use they/them for a person you know. It's different when it's more "anonymous". Like, if you're driving and a car cuts you off. You can't see who's driving, so you say "Man, I can't believe they cut me off!" But, "Sally picked up their backpack" sounds weird and totally grammatically inicorrect!
. It sounds extremely weird and awkward. The whole concept is silly. Even if you don’t feel like a boy or a girl , you are biologically one or the other. Feel however you like internally, but don’t expect other people to cater to it with this silliness.
There is so much wrong with this comment but I'll say this, if a person EXPLICITLY asks you to refer to them by a particular pronoun and you ignore that request because you think it's "silly", it makes you an a$$hole.
I think most of the comments on this thread are gross.
How can you claim to be a compassionate human raising compassionate humans if you can't even learn a pronoun.
Dinosaurs, man.
My kids are as compassionate as they come. You raise compassionate kids by showing them how to love, give and embrace however that doesn't mean as as a parent have to force them to worry about how the may offend a VERY VERY small population. Most people are not worried about being called they/them. That is crazy. As long as my kids are kids, they will identify people to how they see them, boy or girl, he/she, Miss, Mr. etc just like we always have all these years. I refuse to have them bend to this woke trend.
You would tell your child to purposely refer to someone by a pronoun they do not identify with, even if specifically asked to use the person’s chosen pronoun?
It's not about telling my child to PURPOSELY refer to someone by a pronoun they don't want, it's about NOT pressuring my child to have to worry about a narrative that MAYBE will offend a very very very small population of people.
I much rather spend my time showing my kids to be kind, give an encouraging word, smile at someone, include that lonely kid at the lunch table vs having them worrying about pronouns which IMO is the new woke trend. With the high rates of depression and suicides in our kids, there are issues of more importance than pronouns.
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Re: They/Them
Posted by jellybean78
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by jellybean78
Posted by mrsrainbow
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by MrsA1012
Posted by nycbuslady
I find it weird to use they/them for a person you know. It's different when it's more "anonymous". Like, if you're driving and a car cuts you off. You can't see who's driving, so you say "Man, I can't believe they cut me off!" But, "Sally picked up their backpack" sounds weird and totally grammatically inicorrect!
. It sounds extremely weird and awkward. The whole concept is silly. Even if you don’t feel like a boy or a girl , you are biologically one or the other. Feel however you like internally, but don’t expect other people to cater to it with this silliness.
There is so much wrong with this comment but I'll say this, if a person EXPLICITLY asks you to refer to them by a particular pronoun and you ignore that request because you think it's "silly", it makes you an a$$hole.
I think most of the comments on this thread are gross.
How can you claim to be a compassionate human raising compassionate humans if you can't even learn a pronoun.
Dinosaurs, man.
My kids are as compassionate as they come. You raise compassionate kids by showing them how to love, give and embrace however that doesn't mean as as a parent have to force them to worry about how the may offend a VERY VERY small population. Most people are not worried about being called they/them. That is crazy. As long as my kids are kids, they will identify people to how they see them, boy or girl, he/she, Miss, Mr. etc just like we always have all these years. I refuse to have them bend to this woke trend.
You would tell your child to purposely refer to someone by a pronoun they do not identify with, even if specifically asked to use the person’s chosen pronoun?
It's not about telling my child to PURPOSELY refer to someone by a pronoun they don't want, it's about NOT pressuring my child to have to worry about a narrative that MAYBE will offend a very very very small population of people.
I much rather spend my time showing my kids to be kind, give an encouraging word, smile at someone, include that lonely kid at the lunch table vs having them worrying about pronouns which IMO is the new woke trend. With the high rates of depression and suicides in our kids, there are issues of more importance than pronouns.
I tend to agree with this. I am not actively talking to my young children about pronoun preferences. I think that can get very confusing for a child that doesn't even know where babies come from! If the situation arose, of course we would have that conversation but I don't really think it's necessary to start talking about it until it presents itself in one way or another. I teach my children to treat all people with respect and kindness so there's really no need to bring up any specific examples.
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They/Them
while I probably wouldn't start the conversation unless one of my children asked me, if/when it does come up, I will absolutely explain to them why some people prefer they/them, and tell them they should respect that individual's wishes. Why is that such a hard thing to do?
In the grand scheme my child's life, it makes no difference to use the proper pronoun and be respectful- but to that person, it makes a world of difference.
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They/Them
I have always tried to be grammatically correct and as a teacher, would encourage my students to be so as well. So using 'they/them' for a singular person is NOT easy for me to get used to. I feel like we need a genderless singular pronoun, lol! He/She/Ze? His/Hers/Zers? I don't know. But then again, I would use they/them when I didn't know the gender, as in "They left the package by the door or They cut me off"
But...I also feel a lot of compassion for those in the LGBTQ label, so whatever they want me to use, I'll use. It's just an adjustment. It's just a word.
If this is your biggest gripe, then you are a very lucky person because the person choosing the pronoun sure has a lot more obstacles they have to face in this world. If you can show them a little compassion by using a friggin pronoun, I'm sure it would help a lot.
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Re: They/Them
Posted by MrsA1012
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Hofstra26
The only reason kids have any issues today is because they have to navigate a world filled with intolerance and ignorance. What a better place the world would be if people worried less about others choices and instead showed more compassion for where others are at with theirs.
You can be very compassionate and think some things are just ridiculous and over the top.
Kids are now being pressured by woke society to pick a gender, out of 70 something of them.
. Of course, no one should EVER be
mistreated or bullied because of gender. That should not have to be stated. If someone asked me to use they / them pronoun, I’d do it to avoid an awkward situation . That doesn’t change the fact that the huge numbers of girls who are saying they are trans men and the rise of kids declaring themselves to be non binary has a strong element of social contagion. It’s a topic too complicated for a short post on here. Abigail Shrier has done some interesting work on the subject. I’d also suggest reading people’s actual experiences on the Reddit , detrans forum. Aside from incredibly rare events with intersex children , there are biologically two sexes. You are biologically a man or a women. They / them is silly because it’s asking people to use made up words that defy material reality. I don’t like having my speech policed and I don’t like being asked to use words that I feel reflect fantasy.
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MrsWoods
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They/Them
I have multiple Gay friends and family member and they find these pronouns to be ridiculous and just a new trend. My kids do not use them. You are a she or a he regardless of what you do.
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Cruisin
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They/Them
My MS child says that teachers specifically ask for pronouns and there are multiple kids in each class that prefer a different pronoun. Some even prefer a different name (like Hades, for example) Yes they wish to be called Hades in class.
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| Posted 2/16/22 10:35 PM |
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Hofstra26
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Re: They/Them
Posted by MrsWoods
I have multiple Gay friends and family member and they find these pronouns to be ridiculous and just a new trend. My kids do not use them. You are a she or a he regardless of what you do.
My DH has a transgender cousin that feels VERY strongly about which pronouns are used so it's not ridiculous and "trendy" to everyone.
At the end of the day, all anyone needs to do is be respectful of others. If *you* (collective) are asked by someone to refer to them a certain way, you do it whether you like it or not because it's the right thing to do. That's all this whole discussion boils down to.
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| Posted 2/16/22 11:07 PM |
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klingklang77
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Re: They/Them
Posted by Cruisin
My MS child says that teachers specifically ask for pronouns and there are multiple kids in each class that prefer a different pronoun. Some even prefer a different name (like Hades, for example) Yes they wish to be called Hades in class.
Hades? I’m not sure that would even be approved here.
I have not encountered any trans students yet (one I’m not sure of as they never told me, but I was not sure), but I often wonder what they do when they change their name here. When you are born your name has to be approved by a government office. It has to be something that has been used/spelled in the past, so the kid doesn’t go through life with an awful name like ‘Lyfe’. Exceptions are made for foreigners. There have been court cases about this. Someone wanted to name their kid “Peppermint” but the court wouldn’t allow it because it would subject the kid to ridicule, but for some reason the name “Fanta” was allowed, even though that is a popular soda here.
Edit: Just looked up. Transgenders cannot legally change their name for at least three years, so they are sure of their choice. I’m not actually sure what actually happens before that three years. A lot of people are working to change this, apparently.
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Re: They/Them
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by MrsWoods
I have multiple Gay friends and family member and they find these pronouns to be ridiculous and just a new trend. My kids do not use them. You are a she or a he regardless of what you do.
My DH has a transgender cousin that feels VERY strongly about which pronouns are used so it's not ridiculous and "trendy" to everyone.
At the end of the day, all anyone needs to do is be respectful of others. If *you* (collective) are asked by someone to refer to them a certain way, you do it whether you like it or not because it's the right thing to do. That's all this whole discussion boils down to.
How old are they, how long ago did they come out and how long have they requested people use these pronouns?
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PitterPatter11
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Re: They/Them
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Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by MrsA1012
Posted by nycbuslady
I find it weird to use they/them for a person you know. It's different when it's more "anonymous". Like, if you're driving and a car cuts you off. You can't see who's driving, so you say "Man, I can't believe they cut me off!" But, "Sally picked up their backpack" sounds weird and totally grammatically inicorrect!
. It sounds extremely weird and awkward. The whole concept is silly. Even if you don’t feel like a boy or a girl , you are biologically one or the other. Feel however you like internally, but don’t expect other people to cater to it with this silliness.
There is so much wrong with this comment but I'll say this, if a person EXPLICITLY asks you to refer to them by a particular pronoun and you ignore that request because you think it's "silly", it makes you an a$$hole.
I think most of the comments on this thread are gross.
How can you claim to be a compassionate human raising compassionate humans if you can't even learn a pronoun.
Dinosaurs, man.
Same.
I teach HS and I will say it’s not as though the majority of students are going by “they/them”; it is really only a few. I have well over 100 students and it’s maybe 1 or 2 that ask to be referred to as “they/them”. Many are uncomfortable even asking to be called different pronouns by teachers probably because of some of the opinions displayed on this thread.
Others list she/her or he/him on their bios because it shows inclusion and support for those who are using pronouns that do not follow conventional norms.
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mommy2devin
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Re: They/Them
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by MrsWoods
I have multiple Gay friends and family member and they find these pronouns to be ridiculous and just a new trend. My kids do not use them. You are a she or a he regardless of what you do.
My DH has a transgender cousin that feels VERY strongly about which pronouns are used so it's not ridiculous and "trendy" to everyone.
At the end of the day, all anyone needs to do is be respectful of others. If *you* (collective) are asked by someone to refer to them a certain way, you do it whether you like it or not because it's the right thing to do. That's all this whole discussion boils down to.
Right decency and respect are hard for some people. But also, gay and transgender are two very different things.
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Hofstra26
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Re: They/Them
Posted by mommy2devin
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by MrsWoods
I have multiple Gay friends and family member and they find these pronouns to be ridiculous and just a new trend. My kids do not use them. You are a she or a he regardless of what you do.
My DH has a transgender cousin that feels VERY strongly about which pronouns are used so it's not ridiculous and "trendy" to everyone.
At the end of the day, all anyone needs to do is be respectful of others. If *you* (collective) are asked by someone to refer to them a certain way, you do it whether you like it or not because it's the right thing to do. That's all this whole discussion boils down to.
Right decency and respect are hard for some people. But also, gay and transgender are two very different things.
Yes, they are definitely two VERY different things.
It all comes down to respect. Plain and simple. People need to set aside their own bias and ignorance and just be decent human beings. Again, whether one agrees with or is comfortable with these pronouns is irrelevant. Refer to someone how they ask to be referred to. Period. It's not about *you* (collective) and your comfort level, it's about theirs.
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