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Katareen
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Re: Supreme Court ruling on abortion
Posted by lululu
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@lululu and anyone else who doesn’t understand the importance of this, I hope you read up on the historical context and what “state’s rights” means.
I know you’re going to say “I understand what that means “. I assure you that you do not otherwise you would know why this is so dangerous.
Women will die because of this. If you are in the middle of an ectopic pregnancy or you were just raped you cannot just get up and move to a blue state like was suggested.
You also have to put this in the bigger context of what this court is doing. The majority opinion in the gun case twisted history so terribly that the only two choices is that they are either morons or liars. I’m also quite worried about the EPA decision which will, if it lands that way I think it will, strip state and local government of much of its ability to regulate and as far as climate change is concerned we are screwed big time.
This is a conservative, reactionary, alt right court that was installed by a president who was elected with, according to Senate Republicans, the help of the Russians in 2016.
There is an outside chance that if we hold the house and getting two more Senate seats we can get rid of the filibuster and codify some of the things the court has acted on into law, but that’s an outside chance at this point.
The court was what I was always worried about. Fringe minority rule, in for life.
For the first time I’m really starting to believe we are heading towards civil war.
I have faith that the laws that were triggered will be updated appropriately. There are very few states in which an abortion is illegal when the mothers life is at risk. I believe that number will get even smaller quickly. Many also have provisions for rape or incest even thou those situations account for a very small % of abortions. I do help free and accessible birth control is made available.
I never understood the lifetime appointment of Supreme Court judges. I think they should have a term limit, maybe something between 10 and 20 years. I just pray that neither trump nor Biden runs in the next election and we get someone decent.
If you think this country is heading in the direction of “free and accessible birth control” then you are truly delusional.
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Re: Supreme Court ruling on abortion
Posted by Katareen
Posted by lululu
Posted by JennP
@lululu and anyone else who doesn’t understand the importance of this, I hope you read up on the historical context and what “state’s rights” means.
I know you’re going to say “I understand what that means “. I assure you that you do not otherwise you would know why this is so dangerous.
Women will die because of this. If you are in the middle of an ectopic pregnancy or you were just raped you cannot just get up and move to a blue state like was suggested.
You also have to put this in the bigger context of what this court is doing. The majority opinion in the gun case twisted history so terribly that the only two choices is that they are either morons or liars. I’m also quite worried about the EPA decision which will, if it lands that way I think it will, strip state and local government of much of its ability to regulate and as far as climate change is concerned we are screwed big time.
This is a conservative, reactionary, alt right court that was installed by a president who was elected with, according to Senate Republicans, the help of the Russians in 2016.
There is an outside chance that if we hold the house and getting two more Senate seats we can get rid of the filibuster and codify some of the things the court has acted on into law, but that’s an outside chance at this point.
The court was what I was always worried about. Fringe minority rule, in for life.
For the first time I’m really starting to believe we are heading towards civil war.
I have faith that the laws that were triggered will be updated appropriately. There are very few states in which an abortion is illegal when the mothers life is at risk. I believe that number will get even smaller quickly. Many also have provisions for rape or incest even thou those situations account for a very small % of abortions. I do help free and accessible birth control is made available.
I never understood the lifetime appointment of Supreme Court judges. I think they should have a term limit, maybe something between 10 and 20 years. I just pray that neither trump nor Biden runs in the next election and we get someone decent.
If you think this country is heading in the direction of “free and accessible birth control” then you are truly delusional.
@lululu
You’re kidding right? They are thinking access to plan b is next and access to birth control after that.
Wake up!!!!
If you have a daughter, wake the eff up!!!
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klingklang77
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Re: Supreme Court ruling on abortion
Posted by JennP
For the first time I’m really starting to believe we are heading towards civil war.
I agree. It’s the ingredients for the perfect storm. Food is more expensive and water is going down. I just read today that Lake Mead is on its way to becoming a dead pool.
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Re: Supreme Court ruling on abortion
Just heard on the new there are Republicans trying to push to make it against the law nation wide!!
Yep nothing to worry about!! 
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Re: Supreme Court ruling on abortion
Posted by MissJones
Posted by Katareen
Posted by lululu
Posted by JennP
@lululu and anyone else who doesn’t understand the importance of this, I hope you read up on the historical context and what “state’s rights” means.
I know you’re going to say “I understand what that means “. I assure you that you do not otherwise you would know why this is so dangerous.
Women will die because of this. If you are in the middle of an ectopic pregnancy or you were just raped you cannot just get up and move to a blue state like was suggested.
You also have to put this in the bigger context of what this court is doing. The majority opinion in the gun case twisted history so terribly that the only two choices is that they are either morons or liars. I’m also quite worried about the EPA decision which will, if it lands that way I think it will, strip state and local government of much of its ability to regulate and as far as climate change is concerned we are screwed big time.
This is a conservative, reactionary, alt right court that was installed by a president who was elected with, according to Senate Republicans, the help of the Russians in 2016.
There is an outside chance that if we hold the house and getting two more Senate seats we can get rid of the filibuster and codify some of the things the court has acted on into law, but that’s an outside chance at this point.
The court was what I was always worried about. Fringe minority rule, in for life.
For the first time I’m really starting to believe we are heading towards civil war.
I have faith that the laws that were triggered will be updated appropriately. There are very few states in which an abortion is illegal when the mothers life is at risk. I believe that number will get even smaller quickly. Many also have provisions for rape or incest even thou those situations account for a very small % of abortions. I do help free and accessible birth control is made available.
I never understood the lifetime appointment of Supreme Court judges. I think they should have a term limit, maybe something between 10 and 20 years. I just pray that neither trump nor Biden runs in the next election and we get someone decent.
If you think this country is heading in the direction of “free and accessible birth control” then you are truly delusional.
@lululu
You’re kidding right? They are thinking access to plan b is next and access to birth control after that.
Wake up!!!!
If you have a daughter, wake the eff up!!!
Who is “they?”
I don’t know who “they” are.
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Re: Supreme Court ruling on abortion
I could quote a lot of people so I'll quote no one.
I started to check the language of all the states' laws yesterday then ran out of time after reading about a third. So far there are several with no exceptions for rape or incest. It does seem that they make an exception for the life of the mother, although one state only mentions "ectopic pregnancies", which is not the only way the mother's life could be threatened.
I have no doubt that women will die even in states with exceptions for the life of the mother. Childbirth can go left very quickly and we are now putting doctors in impossible situations where they have to make fast decisions while worrying about state laws and justification for their actions. Harm is bound to be done, even inadvertently.
As a side note to that, I wonder how many doctors in red states will no longer practice obstetrics because it won't be worth it. That will only worsen the situation.
I'm not sure what to say to anyone who thinks that these laws will be updated in any positive way, or that new laws will be benevolent, or that access to birth control will increase. That all flies in the face of everything we have seen and heard. They don't care if women are burdened with unwanted pregnancies. That's what they want. Because then we are controlled and distracted. They throw their radical religious base a bone and hold onto their vote. It's ALL about power. They care nothing of people or babies.
They are most definitely talking about making it illegal at the federal level. Depending on how November goes, Biden could have a bill on his desk by January. He'll obviously veto it, and there will not be supermajority to override, so we are safe for now. But depending on how 2024 goes, abortion could be illegal in all 50 states by 2025.
Many of us (in general, not just on this board) have been sounding the alarm about how reactionary and dangerous the Republican party has become in recent years. Some people see it now, but it might be too late.
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Re: Supreme Court ruling on abortion
Posted by blu6385
Just heard on the new there are Republicans trying to push to make it against the law nation wide!!
Yep nothing to worry about!!
Sure they might try to but maybe JennP can explain to us whether or not that could actually happen because I think now it’s on a state by state basis. I am not being snarky. I know she is very knowledgeable and I would be curious to hear if this is even possible.
The media sensationalizes everything. That’s part of the problem. Even now it is showing states in which they are saying will ban abortion but many of those states are just changing it from 22 weeks to 15 weeks, not completely banning abortion. And almost all states have provisions for the health of the mother and many have provisions for rape and incest.
I think the problem is that everyone sees this as only a womens rights issue but for many, many people it is also about the rights of an unborn child. And just because you don’t believe in the rights of that fetus many people do. It doesn’t make one person right or wrong, even though I personally believe the mother still has the right to choose. But everyone digs their heels in and refuses to even contemplate the other side of the argument. It’s like that with everything in this country now.
But I am also not an alarmist. People talking about how we are living in Handmaids Tale is completely dramatic as far as I’m concerned and it’s over the top for me. Call me naïve. I don’t care.
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JennP
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Re: Supreme Court ruling on abortion
Posted by lululu
Posted by blu6385
Just heard on the new there are Republicans trying to push to make it against the law nation wide!!
Yep nothing to worry about!!
Sure they might try to but maybe JennP can explain to us whether or not that could actually happen because I think now it’s on a state by state basis. I am not being snarky. I know she is very knowledgeable and I would be curious to hear if this is even possible.
There is currently a "Life at Conception" act or something similar introduced in both the House and Senate. Federal legislation would supercede state legislation so if it passes, yes, a nationwide ban would be in effect.
If the House and Senate turn red in November, a bill could be on Biden's desk by January if the Senate gets rid of the filibuster (more on that below.) Obviously Biden would veto it. To override that veto, Congress would need a supermajority of 2/3s. I highly doubt it's possible even in the House but it's virtually impossible in the Senate in 2022, where Republicans are mostly on defense and won't be able to gain enough seats to get to 67. (One third of the Senate is up every two years, and this year's "class" happens to be mostly Republican.) My concern is with 2024, where that is the reverse - it's mostly Dems on defense. We also obviously have no idea how the House and Presidency will go. But it's entirely possible that the House, Senate, and Presidency could be red by 2025.
If it's 2025 and the Senate turns red but without a filibuster proof majority - so 51-59 seats - they would have to agree to get rid of the filibuster to get the votes necessary to pass this since certainly no Dems would support it. (For people paying attention now, this is what is hamstringing the Dems in the form of Manchin and Sinema, or as some say, Manchinema.) They are much, much more likely to do that the Dems, but it's not guaranteed. The agreement to get rid of the filibuster only requires a simple majority. I could see some possible holdouts in Collins and Murkowski, if the latter wins reelection in November. (She voted to impeach Trump the second time so that's is in jeopardy.) I doubt anyone else in the Senate would have an issue falling in line.
I'm sure any federal ban would be challenged but the Supreme Court will be supermajority conservative for a long time. The three illegitimate ones - Kavanaugh, Barrett, and Gorsuch - are quite young (they are illegitimate because they were appointed by a president elected with the significant help of a hostile power) and the other three are only late sixties - mid seventies. Even if they were older, they would have to die or retire under a Democratic president and a Democratic Senate (or at least a Senate that plays fair unlike the McConnell/Garland scenario.)
I would say the odds of a federal ban by 2025 are certainly more than 50/50. But if someone pulls up this post in three years and says "you were wrong!" I promise you that no one will be happier about it than me.
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Re: Supreme Court ruling on abortion
Posted by lululu
The media sensationalizes everything. That’s part of the problem. Even now it is showing states in which they are saying will ban abortion but many of those states are just changing it from 22 weeks to 15 weeks, not completely banning abortion. And almost all states have provisions for the health of the mother and many have provisions for rape and incest.
Yes and it seems we forgot that already. People need to stop saying the SC made it “illegal” when in actuality that is not what happened.
Posted by lululu
I think the problem is that everyone sees this as only a womens rights issue but for many, many people it is also about the rights of an unborn child. And just because you don’t believe in the rights of that fetus many people do. It doesn’t make one person right or wrong, even though I personally believe the mother still has the right to choose. But everyone digs their heels in and refuses to even contemplate the other side of the argument. It’s like that with everything in this country now.
But I am also not an alarmist. People talking about how we are living in Handmaids Tale is completely dramatic as far as I’m concerned and it’s over the top for me. Call me naïve. I don’t care.
Couldn’t agree more. We just can’t compromise or understand each other anymore. The division between parties is greater than ever and there are extremists on each side. People are now talking about people’s rights being taken away with the SC decision but they’re already forgetting all about covid mandates? It’s not an only red or only blue thing. We need to stop it with this division and really understand the importance of one’s right to choose what’s best for us, not the government.
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Katareen
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Re: Supreme Court ruling on abortion
Posted by lululu
I think the problem is that everyone sees this as only a womens rights issue but for many, many people it is also about the rights of an unborn child. And just because you don’t believe in the rights of that fetus many people do. It doesn’t make one person right or wrong, even though I personally believe the mother still has the right to choose. But everyone digs their heels in and refuses to even contemplate the other side of the argument. It’s like that with everything in this country now.
And who is going to care for these children when they’re born? You’re not concerned that these unwanted children will be neglected, abused? Or born into a family financially incapable of caring for them properly?! Right now basics like food and medical care are unaffordable.
They could be put up for adoption. But right now less and less people in their 20’s and 30’s are interested in having children. So who is adopting these extra humans? Is it better to be born and living in foster care? Or a group home?
Not to mention children with KNOWN severe handicaps in utero that are forced to be born. Care for a handicapped child is astronomical in both money and emotional toll. Who is helping these families? And do we not care that we are forcing a life of pain and suffering on this child? It’s inhumane.
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Re: Supreme Court ruling on abortion
Posted by Katareen
Posted by lululu
I think the problem is that everyone sees this as only a womens rights issue but for many, many people it is also about the rights of an unborn child. And just because you don’t believe in the rights of that fetus many people do. It doesn’t make one person right or wrong, even though I personally believe the mother still has the right to choose. But everyone digs their heels in and refuses to even contemplate the other side of the argument. It’s like that with everything in this country now.
And who is going to care for these children when they’re born? You’re not concerned that these unwanted children will be neglected, abused? Or born into a family financially incapable of caring for them properly?! Right now basics like food and medical care are unaffordable.
They could be put up for adoption. But right now less and less people in their 20’s and 30’s are interested in having children. So who is adopting these extra humans? Is it better to be born and living in foster care? Or a group home?
Not to mention children with KNOWN severe handicaps in utero that are forced to be born. Care for a handicapped child is astronomical in both money and emotional toll. Who is helping these families? And do we not care that we are forcing a life of pain and suffering on this child? It’s inhumane.
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I couldn't agree with you more. I think that abortion is completely necessary even though for me personally I find it immoral. But I do not presume to place my views on anyone else. However, even with that being said, I can still see the other side of the argument and understand why people are pro-life.
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Re: Supreme Court ruling on abortion
Posted by JennP
Posted by lululu
Posted by blu6385
Just heard on the new there are Republicans trying to push to make it against the law nation wide!!
Yep nothing to worry about!!
Sure they might try to but maybe JennP can explain to us whether or not that could actually happen because I think now it’s on a state by state basis. I am not being snarky. I know she is very knowledgeable and I would be curious to hear if this is even possible.
There is currently a "Life at Conception" act or something similar introduced in both the House and Senate. Federal legislation would supercede state legislation so if it passes, yes, a nationwide ban would be in effect.
If the House and Senate turn red in November, a bill could be on Biden's desk by January if the Senate gets rid of the filibuster (more on that below.) Obviously Biden would veto it. To override that veto, Congress would need a supermajority of 2/3s. I highly doubt it's possible even in the House but it's virtually impossible in the Senate in 2022, where Republicans are mostly on defense and won't be able to gain enough seats to get to 67. (One third of the Senate is up every two years, and this year's "class" happens to be mostly Republican.) My concern is with 2024, where that is the reverse - it's mostly Dems on defense. We also obviously have no idea how the House and Presidency will go. But it's entirely possible that the House, Senate, and Presidency could be red by 2025.
If it's 2025 and the Senate turns red but without a filibuster proof majority - so 51-59 seats - they would have to agree to get rid of the filibuster to get the votes necessary to pass this since certainly no Dems would support it. (For people paying attention now, this is what is hamstringing the Dems in the form of Manchin and Sinema, or as some say, Manchinema.) They are much, much more likely to do that the Dems, but it's not guaranteed. The agreement to get rid of the filibuster only requires a simple majority. I could see some possible holdouts in Collins and Murkowski, if the latter wins reelection in November. (She voted to impeach Trump the second time so that's is in jeopardy.) I doubt anyone else in the Senate would have an issue falling in line.
I'm sure any federal ban would be challenged but the Supreme Court will be supermajority conservative for a long time. The three illegitimate ones - Kavanaugh, Barrett, and Gorsuch - are quite young (they are illegitimate because they were appointed by a president elected with the significant help of a hostile power) and the other three are only late sixties - mid seventies. Even if they were older, they would have to die or retire under a Democratic president and a Democratic Senate (or at least a Senate that plays fair unlike the McConnell/Garland scenario.)
I would say the odds of a federal ban by 2025 are certainly more than 50/50. But if someone pulls up this post in three years and says "you were wrong!" I promise you that no one will be happier about it than me.
Very interesting and thank you for taking the time to explain. I personally do not think that it will happen because I think there is going to be a lot of push back nationwide and even many republicans will not support a nation wide ban. Hopefully I am right....
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Re: Supreme Court ruling on abortion
Posted by Katareen
Posted by lululu
I think the problem is that everyone sees this as only a womens rights issue but for many, many people it is also about the rights of an unborn child. And just because you don’t believe in the rights of that fetus many people do. It doesn’t make one person right or wrong, even though I personally believe the mother still has the right to choose. But everyone digs their heels in and refuses to even contemplate the other side of the argument. It’s like that with everything in this country now.
And who is going to care for these children when they’re born? You’re not concerned that these unwanted children will be neglected, abused? Or born into a family financially incapable of caring for them properly?! Right now basics like food and medical care are unaffordable.
They could be put up for adoption. But right now less and less people in their 20’s and 30’s are interested in having children. So who is adopting these extra humans? Is it better to be born and living in foster care? Or a group home?
Not to mention children with KNOWN severe handicaps in utero that are forced to be born. Care for a handicapped child is astronomical in both money and emotional toll. Who is helping these families? And do we not care that we are forcing a life of pain and suffering on this child? It’s inhumane.
I can def see what u’re saying, for the children being born in bad circumstances and for the women because nobody owns their body but themselves. At the same time though, I can’t help but wonder if it’s truly for the children and for the women that the government was even behind the legality and acceptance of abortions, those states where abortion is legal…do they have a good system to help and provide to those children? Unfortunately they don’t and that’s alarming too.
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Re: Supreme Court ruling on abortion
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by lululu
The media sensationalizes everything. That’s part of the problem. Even now it is showing states in which they are saying will ban abortion but many of those states are just changing it from 22 weeks to 15 weeks, not completely banning abortion. And almost all states have provisions for the health of the mother and many have provisions for rape and incest.
Yes and it seems we forgot that already. People need to stop saying the SC made it “illegal” when in actuality that is not what happened.
Posted by lululu
I think the problem is that everyone sees this as only a womens rights issue but for many, many people it is also about the rights of an unborn child. And just because you don’t believe in the rights of that fetus many people do. It doesn’t make one person right or wrong, even though I personally believe the mother still has the right to choose. But everyone digs their heels in and refuses to even contemplate the other side of the argument. It’s like that with everything in this country now.
But I am also not an alarmist. People talking about how we are living in Handmaids Tale is completely dramatic as far as I’m concerned and it’s over the top for me. Call me naïve. I don’t care.
Couldn’t agree more. We just can’t compromise or understand each other anymore. The division between parties is greater than ever and there are extremists on each side. People are now talking about people’s rights being taken away with the SC decision but they’re already forgetting all about covid mandates? It’s not an only red or only blue thing. We need to stop it with this division and really understand the importance of one’s right to choose what’s best for us, not the government.
I agree with you both, especially about the division... Its pure insanity.
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Re: Supreme Court ruling on abortion
I'd really like to see our government give a single fùck about born kids being killed at school before they pretend to care about the ones the size of a poppy seed. I'd like to see them give a minimal care to the ones that are crawling inside the still warm corpses of their desk buddies just to try to stay alive, the ones smearing themselves in their best friend's blood to try to play dead so they don't actually become dead, the ones that are throwing their little bodies onto live bullets as a human shield so their friends have a tiny chance to escape and survive. When our government calls unborn kids a "domestic supply", what they really mean is a domestic supply of target practice for school shooters.
America is a prime example of the consequences of defunding public education and keeping the population ignorant.
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Re: Supreme Court ruling on abortion
It appears that women or females are no longer considered persons to be afforded the same protections under the 14th amendment.
Section 1: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
The females in the US no longer have these rights.
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Re: Supreme Court ruling on abortion
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by JennP
For the first time I’m really starting to believe we are heading towards civil war.
I agree. It’s the ingredients for the perfect storm. Food is more expensive and water is going down. I just read today that Lake Mead is on its way to becoming a dead pool.
I’d like to secede if that’s an option
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Re: Supreme Court ruling on abortion
There are currently 13 states that have laws against abortion that will be automatically triggered by the decision. It is expected that an additional 13 states will soon follow suit. Texas is proposing a law to punish anyone who helps a woman to get to a state that permits abortion so she can get one there. The action of the Supreme Court did this. Also, it is likely a precursor to laws prohibiting the sale and/or use of contraceptives. (See the concurring opinion of Thomas.) It could also lead to banning gay marriage and the punishment of homosexual conduct. You have got to get your head out of the sand. This is just the beginning!
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Supreme Court ruling on abortion
The Supreme Court just ruled that abortion laws should be decided by the states. So how could Republicans in Congress make it a federal law to ban them altogether?
Also, Trump was not elected with the help of a “hostile power”, and the Supreme Court justices he nominated are not “illegitimate”. They were approved by duly elected Senators.
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Re: Supreme Court ruling on abortion
Posted by Kate
The Supreme Court just ruled that abortion laws should be decided by the states. So how could Republicans in Congress make it a federal law to ban them altogether?
Also, Trump was not elected with the help of a “hostile power”, and the Supreme Court justices he nominated are not “illegitimate”. They were approved by duly elected Senators.
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That might be your opinion, however the Republican led senate panel thinks differently. Senate panel finds Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. election
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https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/senate-panel-finds-russia-interfered-in-the-2016-us-election
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Re: Supreme Court ruling on abortion
Posted by Kate
The Supreme Court just ruled that abortion laws should be decided by the states. So how could Republicans in Congress make it a federal law to ban them altogether?
Also, Trump was not elected with the help of a “hostile power”, and the Supreme Court justices he nominated are not “illegitimate”. They were approved by duly elected Senators.
Republicans in Congress can pass a federal ban because the Supreme Court decision does not change the fact that it is within their purview to do so. The purpose of the "checks and balances" that we learned about so long ago is for one branch to "check" the other in cases of abuse of power. We have a "check" right now against such a ban with President Biden, but I am not sure if that "check" will be in place in 2025 and it's fairly clear to me that SCOTUS would rule 5-4 (I bet that Roberts would defect) in favor of the ban if they even heard the case at all.
It's similar - although not exactly the same as it's federalism at play - to how states passed abortion bans in spite of Roe. They are independent entities.
Regarding your second point, another poster answered that perfectly, and I'll add that it's important to note that this was a Republican body that drew this conclusion. Calling Trump a traitor to the United States is not a partisan statement, as that is what he is.
On the flip side, to illustrate the point, I believe GWB (for example) was a disastrous president who did harm to this country that we will feel for decades. However, he is not a traitor to the United States.
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Re: Supreme Court ruling on abortion
Posted by MC09
I'd really like to see our government give a single fùck about born kids being killed at school before they pretend to care about the ones the size of a poppy seed. I'd like to see them give a minimal care to the ones that are crawling inside the still warm corpses of their desk buddies just to try to stay alive, the ones smearing themselves in their best friend's blood to try to play dead so they don't actually become dead, the ones that are throwing their little bodies onto live bullets as a human shield so their friends have a tiny chance to escape and survive. When our government calls unborn kids a "domestic supply", what they really mean is a domestic supply of target practice for school shooters.
America is a prime example of the consequences of defunding public education and keeping the population ignorant.
Don’t be silly! They don’t care about ACTUAL children.
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Supreme Court ruling on abortion
You get what you get and you don’t get upset.
You support conservative candidates and this is what happens.
Wake up!
What’s next? A woman’s right to vote?
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Re: Supreme Court ruling on abortion
Posted by lululu
Posted by blu6385
Just heard on the new there are Republicans trying to push to make it against the law nation wide!!
Yep nothing to worry about!!
Sure they might try to but maybe JennP can explain to us whether or not that could actually happen because I think now it’s on a state by state basis. I am not being snarky. I know she is very knowledgeable and I would be curious to hear if this is even possible.
The media sensationalizes everything. That’s part of the problem. Even now it is showing states in which they are saying will ban abortion but many of those states are just changing it from 22 weeks to 15 weeks, not completely banning abortion. And almost all states have provisions for the health of the mother and many have provisions for rape and incest.
I think the problem is that everyone sees this as only a womens rights issue but for many, many people it is also about the rights of an unborn child. And just because you don’t believe in the rights of that fetus many people do. It doesn’t make one person right or wrong, even though I personally believe the mother still has the right to choose. But everyone digs their heels in and refuses to even contemplate the other side of the argument. It’s like that with everything in this country now.
But I am also not an alarmist. People talking about how we are living in Handmaids Tale is completely dramatic as far as I’m concerned and it’s over the top for me. Call me naïve. I don’t care.
Yeah, you’re naive.
First they came and took our reproductive rights.
Is that not enough???
THEY TOOK AWAY THE RIGHT TO DECIDE WHAT HAPPENS TO OUR OWN BODY. HELLO???
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/24/abortion-laws-by-state-roe-v-wade-00037695
10 year old rape victim could not get an abortion in her home state
https://www.newsweek.com/shes-10-child-rape-victims-abortion-denial-sparks-outrage-twitter-1721248
Most laws do not include exceptions for rape and incest. And exceptions for the life of the mother are vague and will leave many physicians wondering if they must choose between breaking the law or breaking their oath, they told the Post.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/24/abortion-state-laws-criminalization-roe/
So, what do you tell that 10-year old or a woman facing an unwanted pregnancy
after a sexual assault??
Next it’s our voting rights.
And if you don’t think that can happen, ask any woman who fought for Roe v Wade if they ever thought it would be overturned.
All women should have the power to make medical decisions about their body, no matter where they live.
And as of right now, millions of women in the US, the supposed best nation is the world, don’t have that choice.
Is this not alarming?
What medical decisions have been taken out of a man’s hands?
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