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Re: Cuomo wants to cap Superintendent Salaries..
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by Angelo26
I have NOT read the replies but can tell by the number of them that Cuomo has been successful in his effort to distract from the real issue. That being his refusal to maintain the millionaires tax which would solve the financial crisis. I wish I was a millionaire and could buy politicians on both sides of the aisle!
I posted this on another thread, but it is relevant here.
"At the height of the fiscal crisis two years ago, staring down the barrel of a $20 billion budget gap, the state imposed an income-tax surcharge on New Yorkers earning more than $200,000 a year -- and called it a "millionaire's tax." I voted for it as a temporary solution, expecting that the economy would have turned the corner by now. But a tax isn't temporary if we keep re-authorizing it. Unfortunately, some of my colleagues want to do just that -- arguing that we should extend the tax before it expires this year.
If the surcharge were truly a millionaire's tax, maybe it would be worth discussing. But since when do hard-working two-income middle-class families count as millionaires?
And the surcharge hasn't even raised the revenue it was supposed to -- falling well short of the projected $4 billion a year." - Micah Kellner
I feel that the teachers on this board and in real life do a great job of painting a picture that makes it seem like cutting the amount of money that education gets will greatly impact the job they do and the way kids turn out. I find that many non-teachers I talk to are tired of paying out the nose when we are making less money now then a few years ago. Things need to change and passing the buck is not the way. We are all tested and challenged to do a great job with less resources in this economy, why is that not acceptable in the education department?
Sounds like you need to join or start a union in your profession. You can thank unions for your weekends off, and your 40 hour work week. It's no coincidence that there is a direct correlation between the drop in percentage of union membership and the drop in median income in this country.
To address your question about the economy, the public sector employees didn't sell toxic assets at AAA ratings illegally, the billionaires did. The only reason they're not doing time is because the regulators want high paying jobs in that industry, and the politicians, on both sides of the aisle (but more on one side), receive lots of $$$ from them.
Wake up. Have you ever seen crabs in a pot being boiled? They fight each other, as if it's the other crabs fault they are being boiled. We, (and I'm guessing you're middle class too) are the crabs and the billionaires are boiling us.
Again, wake up.
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Re: Cuomo wants to cap Superintendent Salaries..
Now that I've read the above post closer...move down south, pay low taxes, and see the crappy education your kid(s) get.
And again, enjoy your lower taxes and good riddance to you.
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Re: Cuomo wants to cap Superintendent Salaries..
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I have NOT read the replies but can tell by the number of them that Cuomo has been successful in his effort to distract from the real issue. That being his refusal to maintain the millionaires tax which would solve the financial crisis. I wish I was a millionaire and could buy politicians on both sides of the aisle!
I posted this on another thread, but it is relevant here.
"At the height of the fiscal crisis two years ago, staring down the barrel of a $20 billion budget gap, the state imposed an income-tax surcharge on New Yorkers earning more than $200,000 a year -- and called it a "millionaire's tax." I voted for it as a temporary solution, expecting that the economy would have turned the corner by now. But a tax isn't temporary if we keep re-authorizing it. Unfortunately, some of my colleagues want to do just that -- arguing that we should extend the tax before it expires this year.
If the surcharge were truly a millionaire's tax, maybe it would be worth discussing. But since when do hard-working two-income middle-class families count as millionaires?
And the surcharge hasn't even raised the revenue it was supposed to -- falling well short of the projected $4 billion a year." - Micah Kellner
I feel that the teachers on this board and in real life do a great job of painting a picture that makes it seem like cutting the amount of money that education gets will greatly impact the job they do and the way kids turn out. I find that many non-teachers I talk to are tired of paying out the nose when we are making less money now then a few years ago. Things need to change and passing the buck is not the way. We are all tested and challenged to do a great job with less resources in this economy, why is that not acceptable in the education department?
Sounds like you need to join or start a union in your profession. You can thank unions for your weekends off, and your 40 hour work week. It's no coincidence that there is a direct correlation between the drop in percentage of union membership and the drop in median income in this country.
To address your question about the economy, the public sector employees didn't sell toxic assets at AAA ratings illegally, the billionaires did. The only reason they're not doing time is because the regulators want high paying jobs in that industry, and the politicians, on both sides of the aisle (but more on one side), receive lots of $$$ from them.
Wake up. Have you ever seen crabs in a pot being boiled? They fight each other, as if it's the other crabs fault they are being boiled. We, (and I'm guessing you're middle class too) are the crabs and the billionaires are boiling us.
Again, wake up.
First off, I work weekends and much more then 40 hour work weeks. I don't have that cushy teacher job (I kid I kid). Second off, unions are a joke now. They create very little incentive for employees to work harder because the contracts they have. When someone starts to shine and do a good job, they get threatened by the weaker employees. This may not be the case in a teachers union, but it is the case in many union jobs. Unions started with great intentions, but they just aren't justifiable now.
BTW, places were being sold at "AAA" ratings because Clinton felt that everyone in America was entitled to own a home and he helped create the Bank Act of 1996. He helped make mortgages more available to everyone, whether they could afford it or now. Now we are paying for those irresponsible people that bought above their means.
We both may be crabs that are being boiled in a pot, but I am the crab that is making sacrifices to keep surviving while you won't budge on your cushy salary, pension, or benefits (I DON'T KID I DON'T KID).
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Re: Cuomo wants to cap Superintendent Salaries..
Posted by Angelo26
Now that I've read the above post closer...move down south, pay low taxes, and see the crappy education your kid(s) get.
And again, enjoy your lower taxes and good riddance to you.
Hmmm...that is interesting, considering that so many the top high schools are "down south". Also, I received my "crappy" education down south and somehow managed to go to a top undergrad and law school. Despite my crappy southern education (FL) I graduated with honors from both college and law school and held my own against kids from LI.
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Re: Cuomo wants to cap Superintendent Salaries..
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Posted by Angelo26
I have NOT read the replies but can tell by the number of them that Cuomo has been successful in his effort to distract from the real issue. That being his refusal to maintain the millionaires tax which would solve the financial crisis. I wish I was a millionaire and could buy politicians on both sides of the aisle!
I posted this on another thread, but it is relevant here.
"At the height of the fiscal crisis two years ago, staring down the barrel of a $20 billion budget gap, the state imposed an income-tax surcharge on New Yorkers earning more than $200,000 a year -- and called it a "millionaire's tax." I voted for it as a temporary solution, expecting that the economy would have turned the corner by now. But a tax isn't temporary if we keep re-authorizing it. Unfortunately, some of my colleagues want to do just that -- arguing that we should extend the tax before it expires this year.
If the surcharge were truly a millionaire's tax, maybe it would be worth discussing. But since when do hard-working two-income middle-class families count as millionaires?
And the surcharge hasn't even raised the revenue it was supposed to -- falling well short of the projected $4 billion a year." - Micah Kellner
I feel that the teachers on this board and in real life do a great job of painting a picture that makes it seem like cutting the amount of money that education gets will greatly impact the job they do and the way kids turn out. I find that many non-teachers I talk to are tired of paying out the nose when we are making less money now then a few years ago. Things need to change and passing the buck is not the way. We are all tested and challenged to do a great job with less resources in this economy, why is that not acceptable in the education department?
Sounds like you need to join or start a union in your profession. You can thank unions for your weekends off, and your 40 hour work week. It's no coincidence that there is a direct correlation between the drop in percentage of union membership and the drop in median income in this country.
To address your question about the economy, the public sector employees didn't sell toxic assets at AAA ratings illegally, the billionaires did. The only reason they're not doing time is because the regulators want high paying jobs in that industry, and the politicians, on both sides of the aisle (but more on one side), receive lots of $$$ from them.
Wake up. Have you ever seen crabs in a pot being boiled? They fight each other, as if it's the other crabs fault they are being boiled. We, (and I'm guessing you're middle class too) are the crabs and the billionaires are boiling us.
Again, wake up.
First off, I work weekends and much more then 40 hour work weeks. I don't have that cushy teacher job (I kid I kid). Second off, unions are a joke now. They create very little incentive for employees to work harder because the contracts they have. When someone starts to shine and do a good job, they get threatened by the weaker employees. This may not be the case in a teachers union, but it is the case in many union jobs. Unions started with great intentions, but they just aren't justifiable now.
BTW, places were being sold at "AAA" ratings because Clinton felt that everyone in America was entitled to own a home and he helped create the Bank Act of 1996. He helped make mortgages more available to everyone, whether they could afford it or now. Now we are paying for those irresponsible people that bought above their means.
We both may be crabs that are being boiled in a pot, but I am the crab that is making sacrifices to keep surviving while you won't budge on your cushy salary, pension, or benefits (I DON'T KID I DON'T KID).
So are you saying some people don't deserve a home?
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Re: Cuomo wants to cap Superintendent Salaries..
Posted by Angelo26
Now that I've read the above post closer...move down south, pay low taxes, and see the crappy education your kid(s) get.
And again, enjoy your lower taxes and good riddance to you.
I guess I wouldn't mind paying higher taxes if it really just went back in my pocket like it does yours. Changes are happening across the country, deal with it. Oh, and in case you didn't realize, the salary caps are starting with the Superintendents but I am sure they will trickle down to the principals and teachers too. I mean, why would anyone want to have the hard superintendents job when they can make almost as much money teaching. We'll see how well you like your high taxes when they don't benefit you as much.
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Re: Cuomo wants to cap Superintendent Salaries..
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So are you saying some people don't deserve a home?
No, I am saying that not everyone should OWN a home. There is always the option to rent. If I don't have enough money to buy a home, I am not entitled to own a home.
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Re: Cuomo wants to cap Superintendent Salaries..
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Posted by Angelo26
Now that I've read the above post closer...move down south, pay low taxes, and see the crappy education your kid(s) get.
And again, enjoy your lower taxes and good riddance to you.
Hmmm...that is interesting, considering that so many the top high schools are "down south". Also, I received my "crappy" education down south and somehow managed to go to a top undergrad and law school. Despite my crappy southern education (FL) I graduated with honors from both college and law school and held my own against kids from LI.
I love NY and was educated here, but it definitely seems like the teachers here are full of themselves and don't think you can get a quality education anywhere else buy Long Island.
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Re: Cuomo wants to cap Superintendent Salaries..
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Posted by Angelo26
Now that I've read the above post closer...move down south, pay low taxes, and see the crappy education your kid(s) get.
And again, enjoy your lower taxes and good riddance to you.
Hmmm...that is interesting, considering that so many the top high schools are "down south". Also, I received my "crappy" education down south and somehow managed to go to a top undergrad and law school. Despite my crappy southern education (FL) I graduated with honors from both college and law school and held my own against kids from LI.
I love NY and was educated here, but it definitely seems like the teachers here are full of themselves and don't think you can get a quality education anywhere else buy Long Island.
I am by no means defending Angelo's comment, but a Florida teacher is not required to get their masters while a ny teacher is. Just a little tidbit. Maybe Ny could loosen its requirements too.
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Re: Cuomo wants to cap Superintendent Salaries..
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I'll preface this by saying that some of these salaries do seen high for me, but superintendents negotiate their salaries with the board and it is based on performance. There's not a profit, so their salaries can't be comparable, but they do create areas where tax payers want to move in. I've worked in SDs where the superintendent has really been instrumental to the success.
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Let me preface by saying I agree some superintendent's salaries are a bit outrageous, however who's to blame for that?? I don't think enough people are focusing on this point....superintendent's salaries are negotiated by your board of ed - your elected residents! I realize people are outraged seeing these salaries however, what have you done to stop them from getting this high? Your local board of ed approved the salaries for the superintendent, administration, teachers and all other employees of the school district.
If you feel passionately about this topic, talk to your board of ed...they're the ones that approved these decisions.
As who is on these boards..........
IN MY DISTRICT IT IS MOSTLY TEACHERS. We have one police officer and one Dr.
SO.... Obviously they are going to approve these salaries. Most teachers do not live in the district they teach in, so these increases will not negatively effect them. Our Superintendent last year made $432,000+ TOTALLY OUTRAGEOUS. Oh and at this meeting the assist super told us how they are revamping the math program because our district was about 44% behind the state average for math Bravo, Great Job, Let's pay you more money.
ETA: I am in Comsewogue SD, not the best, not the worst reputation. I pay just about $8,000 in taxes for my 3 bed raised ranch.
sidenote: Our old Superintentent retired with a one time windfall payment of over $750,000. They changes the whole system because of this. IT IS CRIMINAL IMO. This is why we are broke, huge salaries for the higher ups and giant pensions.
School districts do not fill their board with employees...in fact the only employees normally found on a school board are the superintendent and treasurer. Its an unpaid, elected position. (ELECTED by the COMMUNITY.) Maybe it is time for you, collectively, to elect some people other than teachers. I am really flawed by that. Does your community vote to pass the budget? Or do you leave that to the teachers as well? I do not know a single teacher who wants to be on the board.
Personally I think the cap is fine, but the whole Board of Ed thing is just sad.
ETA: So I can't sleep and went ahead and took the liberty of checking who the board of Ed in your district is (which is public knowledge)...and there is not one employee of your school system on it. I feel better now.
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It's not for nothing he's a multi-millionaire.
You wonder if he really is evil enough to be sabotaging education so people stay stupid and keep voting against their own best interests. Just a thought.
I have said, half-seriously, that he's evil.  However, I do believe he wants the kids to be successful. Brilliant as he is, though, he is also stubborn and refuses to look at the realities and take advice from people who really know the schools. He wants the entire system privatized, which will benefit his billionaire buddies who put money in charters. But he can't or won't see that charters have their issues too and aren't really sustainable, long term.
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Re: Cuomo wants to cap Superintendent Salaries..
Posted by twicethefun
Posted by ChrisDee
Posted by WishingforBaby
Posted by Erica
I'll preface this by saying that some of these salaries do seen high for me, but superintendents negotiate their salaries with the board and it is based on performance. There's not a profit, so their salaries can't be comparable, but they do create areas where tax payers want to move in. I've worked in SDs where the superintendent has really been instrumental to the success.
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Let me preface by saying I agree some superintendent's salaries are a bit outrageous, however who's to blame for that?? I don't think enough people are focusing on this point....superintendent's salaries are negotiated by your board of ed - your elected residents! I realize people are outraged seeing these salaries however, what have you done to stop them from getting this high? Your local board of ed approved the salaries for the superintendent, administration, teachers and all other employees of the school district.
If you feel passionately about this topic, talk to your board of ed...they're the ones that approved these decisions.
As who is on these boards..........
IN MY DISTRICT IT IS MOSTLY TEACHERS. We have one police officer and one Dr.
SO.... Obviously they are going to approve these salaries. Most teachers do not live in the district they teach in, so these increases will not negatively effect them. Our Superintendent last year made $432,000+ TOTALLY OUTRAGEOUS. Oh and at this meeting the assist super told us how they are revamping the math program because our district was about 44% behind the state average for math Bravo, Great Job, Let's pay you more money.
ETA: I am in Comsewogue SD, not the best, not the worst reputation. I pay just about $8,000 in taxes for my 3 bed raised ranch.
sidenote: Our old Superintentent retired with a one time windfall payment of over $750,000. They changes the whole system because of this. IT IS CRIMINAL IMO. This is why we are broke, huge salaries for the higher ups and giant pensions.
School districts do not fill their board with employees...in fact the only employees normally found on a school board are the superintendent and treasurer. Its an unpaid, elected position. (ELECTED by the COMMUNITY.) Maybe it is time for you, collectively, to elect some people other than teachers. I am really flawed by that. Does your community vote to pass the budget? Or do you leave that to the teachers as well? I do not know a single teacher who wants to be on the board.
Personally I think the cap is fine, but the whole Board of Ed thing is just sad.
ETA: So I can't sleep and went ahead and took the liberty of checking who the board of Ed in your district is (which is public knowledge)...and there is not one employee of your school system on it. I feel better now.
I am glad you took the liberty. I NEVER said they were an employee of OUR school. As a matter of fact i said in one of the posts NOT IN OUR DISTRICT. I simply made an error, I corrected it. Stated my wonderful experience with teachers and yet again, we are gonna carry on. GET OVER IT! If you want to look deeper. 2 of them are coaches in our district but teach elsewhere. I can give you their phone numbers too if you like.
ETA: I have never once bashed teachers or their salaries in any teacher related post. I have said all along that the higher ups are being overpaid and their pensions are killing us. I said that we have waaaay too many districts and need to combine. That is it, PERIOD! So why you and a few others feel the need to attack when I made an ERROR that was told to me IN ERROR by my super(he apologies to you too BTW ) REALLY? Lets go back to the issue. MY super was paid $432,000 last year and to me that is OUTRAGEOUS!!!!
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Posted by Angelo26
Wake up. Have you ever seen crabs in a pot being boiled? They fight each other, as if it's the other crabs fault they are being boiled. We, (and I'm guessing you're middle class too) are the crabs and the billionaires are boiling us.
I didn't really read any of this thread, but this statement is sooo true!
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Re: Cuomo wants to cap Superintendent Salaries..
I want to stop posting on this thread, I really do
I just want to add that while I am no expert on schools in the south I have seen children over the years who have moved from various states down south to NYC. They are (almost) always learning on a lower grade level. This can not be a coincidence.
I do not doubt that there are places and areas where the schools are very good in the south. But as a whole they can not compare or compete with NY schools. It is a reality. Florida is a great example. I know a family who is home schooling their children bc they were unhappy with the curriculum.
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Re: Cuomo wants to cap Superintendent Salaries..
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by stickydust
Posted by Angelo26
Now that I've read the above post closer...move down south, pay low taxes, and see the crappy education your kid(s) get.
And again, enjoy your lower taxes and good riddance to you.
Hmmm...that is interesting, considering that so many the top high schools are "down south". Also, I received my "crappy" education down south and somehow managed to go to a top undergrad and law school. Despite my crappy southern education (FL) I graduated with honors from both college and law school and held my own against kids from LI.
I love NY and was educated here, but it definitely seems like the teachers here are full of themselves and don't think you can get a quality education anywhere else buy Long Island.
It has nothing to do with ny teachers being full of themselves...why not look at the national averages. Fl and many other southern states rank below us. That is not to say we are the best cause we are not. NYS puts a lot into our education for our children. You get what you pay for. For your reference:
http://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/states/
Check it out.
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Re: Cuomo wants to cap Superintendent Salaries..
Posted by DiamondGirl
I want to stop posting on this thread, I really do
I just want to add that while I am no expert on schools in the south I have seen children over the years who have moved from various states down south to NYC. They are (almost) always learning on a lower grade level. This can not be a coincidence.
I do not doubt that there are places and areas where the schools are very good in the south. But as a whole they can not compare or compete with NY schools. It is a reality. Florida is a great example. I know a family who is home schooling their children bc they were unhappy with the curriculum.
I don't know why I am still posting on here seeing as I really don't care but looking at the list of best high schools in the link below:
http://education.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/education/high-schools/articles/2009/12/09/americas-best-high-schools-gold-medal-list
It can be noted that in the top 25 - 3 schools are from FL - 2 from NY - 0 from LI - and sevreal others from different places in the South. As you delve further into the top 100, there are many other schools from FL and the first LI school does not appear until #45 (Southside in RVC). In fact, all the schools in the top 100 from LI are from affluent areas. That fact, to me, indicates that it has less to do with the quality of the education being so much greater than other areas but rather that the students in those areas are already, because of socieconomic advantages, predisposed to greater success.
In S. Florida to school districts are consolidated and as such the high schools all have students from different racial and economic background. You would not find a public high school that only serves one segment of the population.
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Re: Cuomo wants to cap Superintendent Salaries..
Posted by stickydust
Posted by DiamondGirl
I want to stop posting on this thread, I really do
I just want to add that while I am no expert on schools in the south I have seen children over the years who have moved from various states down south to NYC. They are (almost) always learning on a lower grade level. This can not be a coincidence.
I do not doubt that there are places and areas where the schools are very good in the south. But as a whole they can not compare or compete with NY schools. It is a reality. Florida is a great example. I know a family who is home schooling their children bc they were unhappy with the curriculum.
I don't know why I am still posting on here seeing as I really don't care but looking at the list of best high schools in the link below:
http://education.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/education/high-schools/articles/2009/12/09/americas-best-high-schools-gold-medal-list
It can be noted that in the top 25 - 3 schools are from FL - 2 from NY - 0 from LI - and sevreal others from different places in the South. As you delve further into the top 100, there are many other schools from FL and the first LI school does not appear until #45 (Southside in RVC). In fact, all the schools in the top 100 from LI are from affluent areas. That fact, to me, indicates that it has less to do with the quality of the education being so much greater than other areas but rather that the students in those areas are already, because of socieconomic advantages, predisposed to greater success.
In S. Florida to school districts are consolidated and as such the high schools all have students from different racial and economic background. You would not find a public high school that only serves one segment of the population.
As I said I am sure there are areas in the south that have good schools.
I am a guidance counselor in my 7th year. I have had manny students come from the south over the years. The work they are doing down south is not on the same level as what is being done here. This is my observation. I do not think it is a coincidence.
As a whole NY offers a better education. This is my experience and my opinion. I am not looking to offend anyone I am just stating what I have witnessed.
You can show me lists of the "top schools" and all that jazz. I am sure there is plenty of validity to it. But I tend to trust what I have seen with my own eyes.
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Re: Cuomo wants to cap Superintendent Salaries..
Posted by stickydust
Posted by DiamondGirl
I want to stop posting on this thread, I really do
I just want to add that while I am no expert on schools in the south I have seen children over the years who have moved from various states down south to NYC. They are (almost) always learning on a lower grade level. This can not be a coincidence.
I do not doubt that there are places and areas where the schools are very good in the south. But as a whole they can not compare or compete with NY schools. It is a reality. Florida is a great example. I know a family who is home schooling their children bc they were unhappy with the curriculum.
The reason this list is not reliable measuring tool overall is because the Fl schools are not run like ny schools. Children in Fl ca apply to various high schools and therefor the best of the best get into certain schools and since these top schools do not allow other students they have great ratings. Public schools in LI take anyone who lives in their area even if they are failing. Get it? Its like comparing catholic school ratings to public. You can't cause people ejected from the Catholic schools go to public.
I don't know why I am still posting on here seeing as I really don't care but looking at the list of best high schools in the link below:
http://education.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/education/high-schools/articles/2009/12/09/americas-best-high-schools-gold-medal-list
It can be noted that in the top 25 - 3 schools are from FL - 2 from NY - 0 from LI - and sevreal others from different places in the South. As you delve further into the top 100, there are many other schools from FL and the first LI school does not appear until #45 (Southside in RVC). In fact, all the schools in the top 100 from LI are from affluent areas. That fact, to me, indicates that it has less to do with the quality of the education being so much greater than other areas but rather that the students in those areas are already, because of socieconomic advantages, predisposed to greater success.
In S. Florida to school districts are consolidated and as such the high schools all have students from different racial and economic background. You would not find a public high school that only serves one segment of the population.
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| Posted 3/5/11 2:45 PM |
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Re: Cuomo wants to cap Superintendent Salaries..
I was reading that those "Top HS" lists have to do with number of students who sign up for AP classes as one of the criteria..so..if you have a small school and get them all to sign up for the test...bam...I think there were other criteria, but that was definitely something I read...it's hard to have these lists be the end all be all in decision making, I think...
I, too, have seen students come to NYC from other districts (even from upstate NY) and they come in behind us already..and that was in Kindergarten (kids who came in Feb. and couldn't write their names, for example)..sometimes it's the kids, sometimes it's the curriculum...
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| Posted 3/5/11 2:55 PM |
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twicethefun
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Re: Cuomo wants to cap Superintendent Salaries..
Posted by stickydust
Posted by DiamondGirl
I want to stop posting on this thread, I really do
I just want to add that while I am no expert on schools in the south I have seen children over the years who have moved from various states down south to NYC. They are (almost) always learning on a lower grade level. This can not be a coincidence.
I do not doubt that there are places and areas where the schools are very good in the south. But as a whole they can not compare or compete with NY schools. It is a reality. Florida is a great example. I know a family who is home schooling their children bc they were unhappy with the curriculum.
I don't know why I am still posting on here seeing as I really don't care but looking at the list of best high schools in the link below:
http://education.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/education/high-schools/articles/2009/12/09/americas-best-high-schools-gold-medal-list
It can be noted that in the top 25 - 3 schools are from FL - 2 from NY - 0 from LI - and sevreal others from different places in the South. As you delve further into the top 100, there are many other schools from FL and the first LI school does not appear until #45 (Southside in RVC). In fact, all the schools in the top 100 from LI are from affluent areas. That fact, to me, indicates that it has less to do with the quality of the education being so much greater than other areas but rather that the students in those areas are already, because of socieconomic advantages, predisposed to greater success.
In S. Florida to school districts are consolidated and as such the high schools all have students from different racial and economic background. You would not find a public high school that only serves one segment of the population.
In Fl the system is set up so that you can apply to any number of highschools in your area. ( I know because my niece and nephew live in Fl and are educated in their public school system.) And that means that the top schools only take the top Fl students. No failures ever enter there building and therefore they are rated in the top. That does not mean that there are not failures.
Therefore that list is not a reliable measure of how Florida does overall, only how their top students do. Our public schools must take everyone in their town, even the failures...therefor bring down their overall ratings. That does not make them worse. You need to look at the whole here.
Fl teachers need no masters to teach and many of them wll tell you how bad their school system is. I have a lot of family in Fl, one who is a teacher who grew up in NY.
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| Posted 3/5/11 3:06 PM |
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Re: Cuomo wants to cap Superintendent Salaries..
Posted by ChrisDee
ETA: I have never once bashed teachers or their salaries in any teacher related post. I have said all along that the higher ups are being overpaid and their pensions are killing us. I said that we have waaaay too many districts and need to combine. That is it, PERIOD! So why you and a few others feel the need to attack when I made an ERROR that was told to me IN ERROR by my super(he apologies to you too BTW ) REALLY? Lets go back to the issue. MY super was paid $432,000 last year and to me that is OUTRAGEOUS!!!!
I am one of the posters that had a comment about your post however, I have not attacked you at all. Prior to you writing that the Sup't misspoke, I quoted you and wrote "I'm sorry but I think you may have misheard what he said." How is that attacking?
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| Posted 3/5/11 3:31 PM |
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SlurpeeDad
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Re: Cuomo wants to cap Superintendent Salaries..
This is pretty comical now. I don't want to offend any teacher here, but there is always an excuse or reason that we are not the best. "It's the parents fault", "Florida does things differently", or "I don't go off lists." No one is saying that we don't have good schools on Long Island, we have very good ones.
Let's look at this a little differently, no stupid analogies, we'll use basic economics.
Say I own a store. I try to keep my prices the same to keep my customers coming. My taxes keep rising, the cost of goods keep rising, so I am forced to raise my prices 8%. My customers don't like it, question it, and I am forced to make a decision. I either close up shop or I find a way to make prices low and keep my customers coming back. I either lay people off, use different products, or change the way the health benefits are distributed. Those are my options and those are the options we have with taxes that pay for public needs.
I know we have run in circles, but people complain about rising prices, gas prices going up and every little thing. We are constantly adjusting to the economy, it is time for the school districts to do the same.
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| Posted 3/5/11 4:27 PM |
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lululu
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Re: Cuomo wants to cap Superintendent Salaries..
Posted by stickydust
Posted by lululu
Posted by melbalalala
Posted by morgie124
While that is true since only 6% of the list are public schools it still means that LI does not have some of the best school in the nation.
I'm so glad people are saying this now... whenever I see people justify ridiculously high teacher/admin salaries on LI with this I 
Yes, the schools are very good.. but top in the nation? Not so much..
Okay, I know this is not the point of the post but I can't help wondering how people do not understand how good Long Island public schools are. Let me give you the statistics since you are all referring to Newsweeks top high school list. There are 1623 schools on that list. ONLY 6% are PUBLIC high schools - the rest are private. So that means that roughly 97 schools on the list are public. I just went thru and counted - there are 50 public high schools from long island on that list. That means more than HALF of the public schools in the ENTIRE country that made that list are on Long Island. I am well aware that this might not be the best way to judge schools - however, if you think that using this report to say that Long Island doesn't have some of the best schools - there is something VERY WRONG with your logic.
I think you are misreading the results. It is not that there are only 6% of the list are public schools but rather the total amount of the list 1,600 schools represents only 6% of the nations public schools. Or, to put it another way, this list represent the top 6% of the nations public schools.
I do think that long island has good public schools but honestly I think it has little to do with the superintendents. Long islands school districts are VERY segregated both racially and socioeconimically. The top school districts on LI are also, for the most part, the wealthiest. I think it becomes a self-fulfilling prohecy. You have districts where the kids have every economic opportunity, involved parents, SAT coaching, etc. In my opinion, THAT is why the school districts on LI end up being so great - they are essentially in a vacuum.
ahhh - gotcha - I did think it was weird that only 6% were public schools! either way, 50 districts from LI did make the list out of 125 or so districts in total on LI- that's still pretty impressive. And I do think that a lot of it has to do with what you are saying - of course wealthier areas are going to do better with a ranking system like this, because they have more outside resources. However, I still think that Long Island public schools are very good in terms of quality of education. That doesn't meed that there's no room for improvement, especially in regards to the administration, but I just want to give credit where credit is due.
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DiamondGirl
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Re: Cuomo wants to cap Superintendent Salaries..
Posted by SlurpeeDad
This is pretty comical now. I don't want to offend any teacher here, but there is always an excuse or reason that we are not the best. "It's the parents fault", "Florida does things differently", or "I don't go off lists." No one is saying that we don't have good schools on Long Island, we have very good ones.
Let's look at this a little differently, no stupid analogies, we'll use basic economics.
Say I own a store. I try to keep my prices the same to keep my customers coming. My taxes keep rising, the cost of goods keep rising, so I am forced to raise my prices 8%. My customers don't like it, question it, and I am forced to make a decision. I either close up shop or I find a way to make prices low and keep my customers coming back. I either lay people off, use different products, or change the way the health benefits are distributed. Those are my options and those are the options we have with taxes that pay for public needs.
I know we have run in circles, but people complain about rising prices, gas prices going up and every little thing. We are constantly adjusting to the economy, it is time for the school districts to do the same.
What are your feelings on the millionaire tax? Just curious.
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| Posted 3/5/11 4:43 PM |
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SlurpeeDad
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Re: Cuomo wants to cap Superintendent Salaries..
Posted by DiamondGirl
Posted by SlurpeeDad
This is pretty comical now. I don't want to offend any teacher here, but there is always an excuse or reason that we are not the best. "It's the parents fault", "Florida does things differently", or "I don't go off lists." No one is saying that we don't have good schools on Long Island, we have very good ones.
Let's look at this a little differently, no stupid analogies, we'll use basic economics.
Say I own a store. I try to keep my prices the same to keep my customers coming. My taxes keep rising, the cost of goods keep rising, so I am forced to raise my prices 8%. My customers don't like it, question it, and I am forced to make a decision. I either close up shop or I find a way to make prices low and keep my customers coming back. I either lay people off, use different products, or change the way the health benefits are distributed. Those are my options and those are the options we have with taxes that pay for public needs.
I know we have run in circles, but people complain about rising prices, gas prices going up and every little thing. We are constantly adjusting to the economy, it is time for the school districts to do the same.
What are your feelings on the millionaire tax? Just curious.
I think it is a way of passing the buck. Rather then figure out a budget, people want the rich to pay more in taxes. How is that fair? The millionaires tax goes into effect at $200k, last time I checked, that is quite shy of $1,000,000. It has been proven to not be affective. When the millionaire tax was being used, it fell short of the estimated amount of money it would bring it. I don't think it is right that just because a person makes more money, they have to pay SIGNIFICANTLY more money in taxes. If I had to pay more in taxes then you, because I'm a millionaire, I would want to get more services then you. I am sure you would not find that fair.
ETA: Why is it ok to take from other peoples pockets, but to adjust public employees pockets is a big no-no?
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