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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Posted by Lisa
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
would you rather see a knocked up 16 yr eff up her life and end up homeless on the street with a child? or how about babies that they find in garbage dumps? it happens, and I can tell you this... if Roe v Wade is ever overturned, you will see dead babies on the news every DAY! 
So true!! and I hope I NEVER have to go through that nor any future generations!!
my mom told how absolutely HORRIBLE it was to grow up in an era that was full of back alley abortions. so many women died... so horrible! 
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would you rather see a knocked up 16 yr eff up her life and end up homeless on the street with a child? or how about babies that they find in garbage dumps? it happens, and I can tell you this... if Roe v Wade is ever overturned, you will see dead babies on the news every DAY!
and woman dying and not ever being able to have kids from having a back alley abortion
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Lisa
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
What some people dont understand that woman have always had abortions...going all the way back. If a woman doesnt want to have a child...there are many ways for her not to but I guess it would be better to make them illegal so woman have to go to these back alley clinics to get them done, rather than to a medical doctor where it can be done safely and the risk of infection and/or dying is greatly reduced.
I am so sure that if a man was the one to carry a child, this wouldnt even be a discussion! 
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| Posted 6/15/06 2:01 PM |
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by Cate0708
Posted by LadyLainez
I am pro-life. I don't believe in the death penalty, do I think some deserve it yes. But I don't think it's up to anyone to take a human life or decide that we can. I am a Christian, but I strongly believe that there are many people who construe the words in the Bible(Koran, Torah) to make it fit along w/ their actions. Like extremists who kill abortion doctors because in their eyes they are doing what the word of God is asking them to do. Look at terrorists and the way they use Jihad to benefit them. There is a difference between people who believe in a higher power and those who become religous zelots. I am one who respects everyone's religion and won't push my religion on anyone unless it is asked or questioned.
Very well said. This is exactly how I feel, too. I am pro-life and and I am against the death penalty. As previous poster stated, I think living the rest of your life in jail is a much worse fate than death. Yes, I believe that a baby is a baby from conception - as a Christian I also believe that every human life has a soul, and that soul exists from conception, which is why I am pro-life.
However, I do want to say that it's very frustrating that such sweeping generalizations are made regarding people with a pro-life stance. The small margin pro-lifers who feel that killing abortion doctors is just are completely and utterly in the wrong. They are also incredibly hypocritical. But these extremists are only a very small percentage of pro-lifers, and it's very offensive to hear all pro-lifers branded as such.
Yes - for me, it doesn't seem consistant that someone with a pro-life stance would support the death penalty or the killing of any innocent human life - born or unborn. Like LadyLainez said, I am not one to push my beliefs on others but will share/defend if asked.
isn't that generalization kind of like saying the if you're pro-choice, you're pro killing babies?
lets face reality for just a second here. there is NO WAY that anyone knows what's best for anyone else.
would you rather see a knocked up 16 yr eff up her life and end up homeless on the street with a child? or how about babies that they find in garbage dumps? it happens, and I can tell you this... if Roe v Wade is ever overturned, you will see dead babies on the news every DAY!
Who said that if you are pro-choice, you're pro killing babies? I must have missed something.
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| Posted 6/15/06 2:06 PM |
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LadyMaravilla
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
would you rather see a knocked up 16 yr eff up her life and end up homeless on the street with a child? or how about babies that they find in garbage dumps? it happens, and I can tell you this... if Roe v Wade is ever overturned, you will see dead babies on the news every DAY!
This will be a topic or debate that no one can ever win. I don't agree with abortion no matter what the reason. I don't judge those who do it because I can't ever imagine what it may be like to have to make that choice. The 16 year old who decided she was grown enough to have sex should know that one of the consequences of doing so is unwanted pregnancy. Again I am not here to make anyone change their views on the subject. I know what I believe in and it's my right. We can just leave it at that.
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| Posted 6/15/06 2:13 PM |
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Cate0708
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by Cate0708
Very well said. This is exactly how I feel, too. I am pro-life and and I am against the death penalty. As previous poster stated, I think living the rest of your life in jail is a much worse fate than death. Yes, I believe that a baby is a baby from conception - as a Christian I also believe that every human life has a soul, and that soul exists from conception, which is why I am pro-life.
However, I do want to say that it's very frustrating that such sweeping generalizations are made regarding people with a pro-life stance. The small margin pro-lifers who feel that killing abortion doctors is just are completely and utterly in the wrong. They are also incredibly hypocritical. But these extremists are only a very small percentage of pro-lifers, and it's very offensive to hear all pro-lifers branded as such.
Yes - for me, it doesn't seem consistant that someone with a pro-life stance would support the death penalty or the killing of any innocent human life - born or unborn. Like LadyLainez said, I am not one to push my beliefs on others but will share/defend if asked.
isn't that generalization kind of like saying the if you're pro-choice, you're pro killing babies?
lets face reality for just a second here. there is NO WAY that anyone knows what's best for anyone else.
would you rather see a knocked up 16 yr eff up her life and end up homeless on the street with a child? or how about babies that they find in garbage dumps? it happens, and I can tell you this... if Roe v Wade is ever overturned, you will see dead babies on the news every DAY!
I'm sorry, but I never stated that being pro-choice meant that you were pro-killing babies. What I did do was explain why I am pro-life. I am aware that a lot of women feel that a fetus is not a human being/a baby, but I do not share that belief. Like I said, I'm not trying to shove my beliefs down anyone's throat. I not sure what I said that was so offensive. 
Regarding your question about seeing a 16 year old mess up her life with a child, no, I certainly would not like to see that. But why can't adoption be a option for women who don't want children? So many women/couples long to have children and are unable to, and would love the chance to adopt.
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| Posted 6/15/06 2:16 PM |
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
The direction this is taking is pretty much why I don't usually get into this debate online. What started out as a question on whether people have a consistent life ethic is turning into talk about babies in dumpsters and back alley abortions.
If someone is pro-life, it doesn't necessarily mean they want to see back alley abortions or abandoned babies. If someone is pro-choice, I don't think it makes them a baby killer. To assume either of these things is naive, IMO.
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DandN
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Nobody is Pro Abortion. I would love it if we lived in a world where abortions werent necessary - where young women (and girls) were never raped, where birth control was always reliable, and where people made mature decisions about when to have sex, when to wait, etc.
I dont like abortion - nobody does. I've never had an abortion. I dont know if I ever would have one - and I know plenty of women who have had abortions - one was raped - one had sex in college and the condom broke - and one, honestly, was stupid and kept having sex with no protection. But I believe with every fiber of my being that it is a CHOICE that only the woman can make for herself.
People are completely free to disagree with me but I dont believe that only people who want abortions to be made illegal can be called pro life. I'm pro children, pro mothers, pro life in general - and completely, totally pro choice.
I dont refer to abortion rights opponents as pro life - they are anti choice to me.
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| Posted 6/15/06 2:20 PM |
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Cate0708
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Posted by LadyLainez
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
would you rather see a knocked up 16 yr eff up her life and end up homeless on the street with a child? or how about babies that they find in garbage dumps? it happens, and I can tell you this... if Roe v Wade is ever overturned, you will see dead babies on the news every DAY!
This will be a topic or debate that no one can ever win. I don't agree with abortion no matter what the reason. I don't judge those who do it because I can't ever imagine what it may be like to have to make that choice. The 16 year old who decided she was grown enough to have sex should know that one of the consequences of doing so is unwanted pregnancy. Again I am not here to make anyone change their views on the subject. I know what I believe in and it's my right. We can just leave it at that.
I completely agree again, and you said it better than I could. I do not judge anyone who's had an abortion either - I've never been in that position but my beliefs and values would prevent me from being able to make the choice to have one. I have a couple of close friends who have had abortions, but I certainly don't judge them - that's not my place. I do agree with your comment about knowing the consequences of any action, including sex. Like I said in my first post, I'm not here to force my opinion on anyone, but I do have the right to voice it if asked.
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| Posted 6/15/06 2:21 PM |
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
I get very upset over these topics...because for one I am pro-life but would NEVER justify killing a doctor who performs abortions...thats sick to me to equate the two.
YES There are pro-life extremists who do do these things. I think they need help. But as someone who is pro-life, believe me...it is VERY hard explaining my beliefs to most people who are pro-choice.
Its very hard to be in the minority, to read posts on this topic and to always feel attacked. Not everyone has the same values in life-its what makes us human. I don't believe in the death penalty either.
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maybebaby
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Just wanted to add..I would never ever tell someone she was wrong for having an abortion. It can't be an easy thing to decide!!! I know its not something ever gone into lightly.
For ME though...I could never do it, and honestly...becoming pregnant has intensified my feelings on the subject.
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| Posted 6/15/06 2:25 PM |
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Posted by McSullivan
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by Cate0708
Posted by LadyLainez
I am pro-life. I don't believe in the death penalty, do I think some deserve it yes. But I don't think it's up to anyone to take a human life or decide that we can. I am a Christian, but I strongly believe that there are many people who construe the words in the Bible(Koran, Torah) to make it fit along w/ their actions. Like extremists who kill abortion doctors because in their eyes they are doing what the word of God is asking them to do. Look at terrorists and the way they use Jihad to benefit them. There is a difference between people who believe in a higher power and those who become religous zelots. I am one who respects everyone's religion and won't push my religion on anyone unless it is asked or questioned.
Very well said. This is exactly how I feel, too. I am pro-life and and I am against the death penalty. As previous poster stated, I think living the rest of your life in jail is a much worse fate than death. Yes, I believe that a baby is a baby from conception - as a Christian I also believe that every human life has a soul, and that soul exists from conception, which is why I am pro-life.
However, I do want to say that it's very frustrating that such sweeping generalizations are made regarding people with a pro-life stance. The small margin pro-lifers who feel that killing abortion doctors is just are completely and utterly in the wrong. They are also incredibly hypocritical. But these extremists are only a very small percentage of pro-lifers, and it's very offensive to hear all pro-lifers branded as such.
Yes - for me, it doesn't seem consistant that someone with a pro-life stance would support the death penalty or the killing of any innocent human life - born or unborn. Like LadyLainez said, I am not one to push my beliefs on others but will share/defend if asked.
isn't that generalization kind of like saying the if you're pro-choice, you're pro killing babies?
lets face reality for just a second here. there is NO WAY that anyone knows what's best for anyone else.
would you rather see a knocked up 16 yr eff up her life and end up homeless on the street with a child? or how about babies that they find in garbage dumps? it happens, and I can tell you this... if Roe v Wade is ever overturned, you will see dead babies on the news every DAY!
Who said that if you are pro-choice, you're pro killing babies? I must have missed something.
I was addressing the generalizations, and how both "sides" are guilty of that.
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
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Nobody is Pro Abortion. I would love it if we lived in a world where abortions werent necessary - where young women (and girls) were never raped, where birth control was always reliable, and where people made mature decisions about when to have sex, when to wait, etc.
I dont like abortion - nobody does. I've never had an abortion. I dont know if I ever would have one - and I know plenty of women who have had abortions - one was raped - one had sex in college and the condom broke - and one, honestly, was stupid and kept having sex with no protection. But I believe with every fiber of my being that it is a CHOICE that only the woman can make for herself.
People are completely free to disagree with me but I dont believe that only people who want abortions to be made illegal can be called pro life. I'm pro children, pro mothers, pro life in general - and completely, totally pro choice.
I dont refer to abortion rights opponents as pro life - they are anti choice to me.
 
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Redhead
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
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yea i know...
but if the death option was the easy out...the better choice
why does pretty much every one of them Fight it?
ETA..i read wrong...they HAVE to appeal?
I'm confused, Red, the better choice for who? Do you mean the better choice for the convicted person?
yes...
you often see how the person is trying sooo hard to not get the death penalty
trying to even getout of it being put up as an option..
WHY?
Why would they do that if it is the easy out...
If it meant that life in prison is sooo much worse?
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| Posted 6/15/06 3:02 PM |
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Redhead
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Call me crazy but in the end...we all have our own personal views on the matter..What we feel is right and wrong for ourselves...
and some of us, IF ACTUALLY PUT IN A SITUATION just might change their mindson what they would and wouldn't do....
I don't htink any one of us, unless actually put in all different kinds of scenarios would actually know which they would choose for themselves...
But there is where i have come to choose Pro-Choice..
That i allow the PEOPLE in the situation to make that decision for themselves...
Who the hell am i to tell a 16 year old girl who was raped by her father that she HAS to have that baby..
WHO AM I to tell a rape victim that she HAS to carry that child...
I am nobody...
And nor would i EVER want anyone to make that decision for me.
end of story
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Redhead
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
ps....i would kill all pedophiles, serial killers, mass murderers, and a bunch of rapists...
some people are souless
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Christine
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Posted by Redhead
Posted by dpli
Posted by Redhead
yea i know...
but if the death option was the easy out...the better choice
why does pretty much every one of them Fight it?
ETA..i read wrong...they HAVE to appeal?
I'm confused, Red, the better choice for who? Do you mean the better choice for the convicted person?
yes...
you often see how the person is trying sooo hard to not get the death penalty
trying to even getout of it being put up as an option..
WHY?
Why would they do that if it is the easy out...
If it meant that life in prison is sooo much worse?
Wouldn't some form of survival instinct kick in -- what healthy person wants to be dead?
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| Posted 6/15/06 3:16 PM |
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Beth
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
personally if I knew I was gulity and was going to spend 50 years in a cell for 23 hours a day with out contact from anyone else
I would rather die- there is no way I could ever stay in jail like that
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Redhead
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Wouldn't some form of survival instinct kick in -- what healthy person wants to be dead?
not if the person felt that living their life in a prison (to which many of you feel is the much more horrendous option)
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| Posted 6/15/06 3:23 PM |
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Redhead
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Posted by Beth1210
personally if I knew I was gulity and was going to spend 50 years in a cell for 23 hours a day with out contact from anyone else
I would rather die- there is no way I could ever stay in jail like that
true...i think i agree
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Christine
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Posted by Redhead
Wouldn't some form of survival instinct kick in -- what healthy person wants to be dead?
not if the person felt that living their life in a prison (to which many of you feel is the much more horrendous option)
Maybe when faced with the reality of being executed or being in prison forever, perspectives change. I don't know.
I am against the death penalty because of the costs involved (appeals, etc) and because there are enough instances where a mistake was made, not so much because it's worse to rot in prison then it is to be executed.
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Hi-Fi55
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Posted by Redhead
Posted by Beth1210
personally if I knew I was gulity and was going to spend 50 years in a cell for 23 hours a day with out contact from anyone else
I would rather die- there is no way I could ever stay in jail like that
true...i think i agree
No you wouldn't, you would want to live. You would be begging for appeals just like everyone else on death row.
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| Posted 6/15/06 3:34 PM |
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Redhead
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
Posted by Hi-Fi55
Posted by Redhead
Posted by Beth1210
personally if I knew I was gulity and was going to spend 50 years in a cell for 23 hours a day with out contact from anyone else
I would rather die- there is no way I could ever stay in jail like that
true...i think i agree
No you wouldn't, you would want to live. You would be begging for appeals just like everyone else on death row.
sorry....if it were me..
i think death is the option i would take..
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Hi-Fi55
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
All these murderers that are on death row right now that have been waiting for years because they are appealing are supposed to be so tough. I mean come on you are talking murder, who can commit that right? So if they are so "tough" why can't they sustain death themselves? Obviously, jails not bad.
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Susan
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Re: Q's for the pro-life folks
pro-life
against war
against death penalty
against killing animals
....for me.
doesn't make me love others with opposite opinions less....my DH is proof of that!
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