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BabyLove08
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Re: DS is an inclusion class for Kindergarten...
Posted by Metsmomma
And if we are talking about violent children, that is a totally different situation, but i have never in my experience with special ed for my son had to deal with any violence with any children. if they are violent they shouldn't even be in the school district. they should be in a special school that can handle that type of behavior. so don't get me wrong violent children need extra help in a different environment.
but if we are just talking about special needs with no violence, yes they should be intergrated. it teaches patience, tolerance and human kindness. i guess some of us were never taught that!
This EXACTLY is what I meant/how I feel.
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I have a different perspective, and I am a Kindergarten Teacher and my own child is a year away from entering Kindergarten. I would be upset if my GE child was put in a CTT class and I'd request her to be changed. I am sure there are ones that work, don't get me wrong, but I've seen this environment first hand for many years and do feel that there is a lot of distraction for a GE child in a SN class. JMHO.
As a mother of 2 special needs children, this hurts! You're teaching your child(ren) the wrong! ALL kids should be treated equal..YOU are a teacher! YOU should know that! Very sad!
Our district has half day Kindergarten, but, special ed is full day! I was told that the SN students do go into the typical K room for reading, snack, or an activity so they can get to know the typical kids as well.
I LOVE this and I'm happy my chil
d(ren) will be included with everyone!
Sorry if I insulted you.
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Metsmomma
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Re: DS is an inclusion class for Kindergarten...
Posted by BabyLove08
No need at all to be so nasty. I gave MY honest opinion from MY experience. I am a well-respected teacher and I would NEVER turn by back to any child, of any need EVER so think before you speak, you don't know
me! I stated what I've seen first hand (and my experience has been with violent children)and have once again, my own personal feeling based on MY child.
ETA: Meant to quote MetsMomma. This reply was for you.
Well I'm just glad you won't be teaching any of my children!!!! And maybe you should think before you speak! oh wait..."Ignorance is bliss"
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Re: DS is an inclusion class for Kindergarten...
Posted by BabyLove08
No need at all to be so nasty. I gave MY honest opinion from MY experience. I am a well-respected teacher and I would NEVER turn by back to any child, of any need EVER so think before you speak, you don't know
me! I stated what I've seen first hand (and my experience has been with violent children)and have once again, my own personal feeling based on MY child.
ETA: Meant to quote MetsMomma. This reply was for you.
I think the issue she had ( and I do as well , as did others) is you generalized and now your saying you were talking of violent kids , but you said you would take your child out of an inclusion class, with no prompt other thern your prior experience.
Your experience, as this thread's respone are proof to, seems to have been the exception not the rule, and as a K teacher you should know that ....
To imply that your child would be removed from an inclusion class because of what was likely an isolated incident ( because violent children, especially in Kindergarten are NOT the norm, and not the norm in inclusion classes, they would be placed in self contained) is hurtful to those of us with special needs kids.
Our kids NEED the modeling of your 'typical' child and need to know the parents understand that .
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Re: DS is an inclusion class for Kindergarten...
Posted by BabyLove08
I have a different perspective, and I am a Kindergarten Teacher and my own child is a year away from entering Kindergarten. I would be upset if my GE child was put in a CTT class and I'd request her to be changed. I am sure there are ones that work, don't get me wrong, but I've seen this environment first hand for many years and do feel that there is a lot of distraction for a GE child in a SN class. JMHO.
and furthermore, the 'distraction' is not created by the special needs of the children. It is created by the 'children'.
If you do not see that that statement can be misconstrued and appears very judgemental, then I don't know what to say other then hoping your not in my district.
The "class " is not 'special needs' , the CLASS is INCLUSION which means kids...kids of all abilities who need to learn from each other.
Life hands us situations where we face others who are not like us. I believe whole heartedly that children need to experience all ends of the spectrum of people fromt he start.
It is equally as important that your GE child experience 'distraction' as all children need to learn that distractions are a part of life and it would be an equal disservice to kids to teach them otherwise.
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I guess it depends on the disctrict, but my cousin teaches 1st grade inclusion and she even admits that some of the kids that are placed in her class should not be there. Some of them are violent and severely delayed. My son doesn't start kindergarten until next year, but because of hearing the stories from her, I'd be leary of wanting my child in an inclusion class. Again, I'm sure it is different by district, but I guess her perspective has affected my opinion of inclusion classes.
A kid with severe enough behavioral problems to be violent usually wouldn't be in an inclusion class. It may happen that a child has an outburst or something like that, but I think that is a possibility in any classroom. Even in my school, the kids that have violent behaviors are in very restrictive environments (6:1:1, hospital schools, etc.) Generally speaking, a child who is a good candidate for inclusion is standard assessment (not severely delayed), with no significant behaviors that would disrupt a general education classroom, just a kid who could learn in a general ed. setting with a support. When we have IEP meetings for kids that we are considering inclusion for, we discuss things like behavior, aggression, current levels of performance, etc. There is a lot of thought and discussion on what placements will work for certain kids, among many qualified, professional adults. Mistakes happen and sometimes a kid ends up in the wrong class, but that is rare, and a thoughtful teacher will keep an eye on things like that.
No, this child was aggressive on a regular basis and distrupted the class constantly. She teaches in a district that doesn't have much funding for special ed. so they tend to stick those kids in the inclusion classes when they should not be. I know this is probably not the norm in most schools, but it is still something that concerns me.
this can absolutely happen! I have consulted in many classes where this was the case!
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The meanness toward Special Needs children and their parents is so upsetting. As a teacher I love inclusion classes. I understand that many don't and that is fine. But, to be so rude is just not acceptable!!
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Re: DS is an inclusion class for Kindergarten...
Posted by lipglossjunky73
Posted by ohbaby08
Posted by Robin
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I guess it depends on the disctrict, but my cousin teaches 1st grade inclusion and she even admits that some of the kids that are placed in her class should not be there. Some of them are violent and severely delayed. My son doesn't start kindergarten until next year, but because of hearing the stories from her, I'd be leary of wanting my child in an inclusion class. Again, I'm sure it is different by district, but I guess her perspective has affected my opinion of inclusion classes.
A kid with severe enough behavioral problems to be violent usually wouldn't be in an inclusion class. It may happen that a child has an outburst or something like that, but I think that is a possibility in any classroom. Even in my school, the kids that have violent behaviors are in very restrictive environments (6:1:1, hospital schools, etc.) Generally speaking, a child who is a good candidate for inclusion is standard assessment (not severely delayed), with no significant behaviors that would disrupt a general education classroom, just a kid who could learn in a general ed. setting with a support. When we have IEP meetings for kids that we are considering inclusion for, we discuss things like behavior, aggression, current levels of performance, etc. There is a lot of thought and discussion on what placements will work for certain kids, among many qualified, professional adults. Mistakes happen and sometimes a kid ends up in the wrong class, but that is rare, and a thoughtful teacher will keep an eye on things like that.
No, this child was aggressive on a regular basis and distrupted the class constantly. She teaches in a district that doesn't have much funding for special ed. so they tend to stick those kids in the inclusion classes when they should not be. I know this is probably not the norm in most schools, but it is still something that concerns me.
this can absolutely happen! I have consulted in many classes where this was the case!
I've seen it happen too. Some inclusion/co-teaching classes are better than others. I've seen really good ones and horrible ones. Sometimes students are placed in the class who do not do well in a typical setting, even with the support of a special ed teacher.
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Re: DS is an inclusion class for Kindergarten...
Posted by BabyLove08
No need at all to be so nasty. I gave MY honest opinion from MY experience. I am a well-respected teacher and I would NEVER turn by back to any child, of any need EVER so think before you speak, you don't know
me! I stated what I've seen first hand (and my experience has been with violent children)and have once again, my own personal feeling based on MY child.
ETA: Meant to quote MetsMomma. This reply was for you.
Whether you "meant" to or not, your responses hurt me to the core. It kept me up at night thinking about DS's classmates parents and what he has to look forward to. It was a not so subtle reminder that the world is cruel even to Kindergartners.
You are representing not only your profession poorly, but your parenting as well. If you really did not mean it, you need to seriously self edit your posts in the future.
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Posted by dm24angel
Posted by BabyLove08
No need at all to be so nasty. I gave MY honest opinion from MY experience. I am a well-respected teacher and I would NEVER turn by back to any child, of any need EVER so think before you speak, you don't know
me! I stated what I've seen first hand (and my experience has been with violent children)and have once again, my own personal feeling based on MY child.
ETA: Meant to quote MetsMomma. This reply was for you.
I think the issue she had ( and I do as well , as did others) is you generalized and now your saying you were talking of violent kids , but you said you would take your child out of an inclusion class, with no prompt other thern your prior experience.
Your experience, as this thread's respone are proof to, seems to have been the exception not the rule, and as a K teacher you should know that ....
To imply that your child would be removed from an inclusion class because of what was likely an isolated incident ( because violent children, especially in Kindergarten are NOT the norm, and not the norm in inclusion classes, they would be placed in self contained) is hurtful to those of us with special needs kids.
Our kids NEED the modeling of your 'typical' child and need to know the parents understand that .
I actually agree with this. I also think the post was harsh and now turned into "violent kids". Violent kids does not equal special needs children. Typical children can be violent as well. The post was upsetting to me as well and so opinionated. (I dont have a special needs child, I have a special needs sibling).
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Re: DS is an inclusion class for Kindergarten...
Posted by lipglossjunky73
Posted by ohbaby08
Posted by Robin
Posted by ohbaby08
I guess it depends on the disctrict, but my cousin teaches 1st grade inclusion and she even admits that some of the kids that are placed in her class should not be there. Some of them are violent and severely delayed. My son doesn't start kindergarten until next year, but because of hearing the stories from her, I'd be leary of wanting my child in an inclusion class. Again, I'm sure it is different by district, but I guess her perspective has affected my opinion of inclusion classes.
A kid with severe enough behavioral problems to be violent usually wouldn't be in an inclusion class. It may happen that a child has an outburst or something like that, but I think that is a possibility in any classroom. Even in my school, the kids that have violent behaviors are in very restrictive environments (6:1:1, hospital schools, etc.) Generally speaking, a child who is a good candidate for inclusion is standard assessment (not severely delayed), with no significant behaviors that would disrupt a general education classroom, just a kid who could learn in a general ed. setting with a support. When we have IEP meetings for kids that we are considering inclusion for, we discuss things like behavior, aggression, current levels of performance, etc. There is a lot of thought and discussion on what placements will work for certain kids, among many qualified, professional adults. Mistakes happen and sometimes a kid ends up in the wrong class, but that is rare, and a thoughtful teacher will keep an eye on things like that.
No, this child was aggressive on a regular basis and distrupted the class constantly. She teaches in a district that doesn't have much funding for special ed. so they tend to stick those kids in the inclusion classes when they should not be. I know this is probably not the norm in most schools, but it is still something that concerns me.
this can absolutely happen! I have consulted in many classes where this was the case!
I agree that this definately happens, maybe not all the time, but enough of the time
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Posted by BabyLove08
No need at all to be so nasty. I gave MY honest opinion from MY experience. I am a well-respected teacher and I would NEVER turn by back to any child, of any need EVER so think before you speak, you don't know
me! I stated what I've seen first hand (and my experience has been with violent children)and have once again, my own personal feeling based on MY child.
ETA: Meant to quote MetsMomma. This reply was for you.
Whether you "meant" to or not, your responses hurt me to the core. It kept me up at night thinking about DS's classmates parents and what he has to look forward to. It was a not so subtle reminder that the world is cruel even to Kindergartners.
You are representing not only your profession poorly, but your parenting as well. If you really did not mean it, you need to seriously self edit your posts in the future.
Sorry that it kept you up at night, truly. All of these posts have me thinking and I've been discussing them with DH. I teach in NYC, very different then LI. As I stated previously, what I've seen first hand made me feel this way. I 100% teach my DD about tolerance and to treat everyone equal, but my own fears came out in this post based on what
I've seen.
I won't go on and on, and again, sorry to
those I insulted.
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DS is an inclusion class for Kindergarten...
i did NOT read all the responses, nor do i want to, since i read some and apparently there is some "meanness" being said.
my DS is in a self contained class (he is diagnosed with classic autism). if your school has self contained classes, there is a VERY HIGH chance that a child from a self contained class (meaning a class containing ONLY special needs children) will be PUSHED in to a typical classroom.
your TYPICAL childs classroom could have a special needs child in their class all day (maybe not the same one, but a few through out the day)
yes there are children who are in inclusion classes that should not be, but there are also TYPICAL children who are in TYPICAL classrooms who should be not be there either.
not directing this at anyone, but i would LOVE my for TYPICAL DD to be place in an inclusion class should my home school ever have to offer it. right now my home school has self contained classrooms where the child is pushed in for parts of the day.
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as a general education student. If you have experience as a BTDT or as a teacher, please share the pros/cons and if I need to be concerned for any reason.
There will be a general ed teacher, a special ed teacher (there full time) and I believe a special ed aide.
Thank you!!
Consider yourself lucky, the more teachers, aides the better! My oldest gen. ed. was in this kind of class and he was able to get so much more attention. They are still teaching the same things just with some additional children that deserve to be in the class that require some more one on one. Regarding the other posts I think it's very sad to judge a class like this. There is absolutely no cons to this type of class.
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Even if your child isn't in an inclusion class with the special education students, chances of them being in specials with your child are pretty high! (Art, Gym, Music, computers, etc. etc. etc.) My oldest is in a self contained class and all of his specials are with the general ed. kids. 99% of those kids are compassionate, understanding, and helpful, as they should be! Of course there is always that small percentage that just weren't raised to be tolerant of those different than them.
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I just found out today that my DS is in an inclusion class as well. Apparently half the k classes in our school are inclusion classes. So 50% chance your child will be in one. I've asked around mother's that have BTDT and have heard nothing but positive stories.
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My daughter was in an inclusion class last year and it was such a positive experience for her. They did WAY more as far as hands-on learning and projects then the other classes in her grade did. Each teacher took the subjects that they were strong in --- the Gen Ed teacher focusing on Literacy and Math, the Spec Ed teacher focusing on SS and Science. They teachers had a great playful banter, and both the class aide and a child's 1:1 aide assisted all of the students, not just the special ed students. My daughter developed a really positive relationship with the 1:1 aide and I always felt like this woman went above and beyond her job description. It was such a wonderful classroom dynamic.
I also taught for 8 years and taught 2 years in the CTT/Inclusion model. One year was my best teaching year ever, the other was at least miserable for me ... although I think the kids faired quite well. A lot of the CTT experiences is dependent upon the relationships between the adults working in the classroom.
In my experience as both a teacher and a mother, I can say that with the ideal match of teachers, and students being appropriately placed in the CTT model, that it is an ideal learning experience for both the special ed and general ed students!
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Wow this thread is very upsetting. I would love an inclusion class. My district doesn't do this until 2nd or 3 rd grade. Dd right now is in a special class because she needs the directions sometimes given to her again ( we think she has processing issues) she is right where she needs to be academically. This class has a teacher and aide whereas the regular classes don't have the aide.
This class is all minor delays and they do lunch, recess, gym, art, music, library with a general ed sister class. I hope that parents aren't upset their children are in with my daughter as we were concerned about putting her in this class that parents might teach their kids that they don't want to be with her. She has no idea that she is in anything but a regualr kindergarten class.
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Posted by Lillykat
Wow this thread is very upsetting. I would love an inclusion class. My district doesn't do this until 2nd or 3 rd grade. Dd right now is in a special class because she needs the directions sometimes given to her again ( we think she has processing issues) she is right where she needs to be academically. This class has a teacher and aide whereas the regular classes don't have the aide.
This class is all minor delays and they do lunch, recess, gym, art, music, library with a general ed sister class. I hope that parents aren't upset their children are in with my daughter as we were concerned about putting her in this class that parents might teach their kids that they don't want to be with her. She has no idea that she is in anything but a regualr kindergarten class.
It is upsetting. I think the worst part of it is because started about Kindergarten which is so young. That means that the parents of the "typical" children are teaching them so young not to be understanding and tolerant of others.
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Posted by Pumpkin
Posted by Lillykat
Wow this thread is very upsetting. I would love an inclusion class. My district doesn't do this until 2nd or 3 rd grade. Dd right now is in a special class because she needs the directions sometimes given to her again ( we think she has processing issues) she is right where she needs to be academically. This class has a teacher and aide whereas the regular classes don't have the aide.
This class is all minor delays and they do lunch, recess, gym, art, music, library with a general ed sister class. I hope that parents aren't upset their children are in with my daughter as we were concerned about putting her in this class that parents might teach their kids that they don't want to be with her. She has no idea that she is in anything but a regualr kindergarten class.
It is upsetting. I think the worst part of it is because started about Kindergarten which is so young. That means that the parents of the "typical" children are teaching them so young not to be understanding and tolerant of others.
That is it when I go to pick her up I am almost afraid to say who her teacher is when asked because of the reaction that I sometimes get.
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