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BargainMama
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Sachem Failed
So you are basically saying that a teacher that makes 40k a year is not giving the students as good of an education as a teacher that makes 100k a year? I couldn't disagree more. I am not arguing, and I won't say anything else on the matter.
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Re: Sachem Failed
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Not a parent or in Sachem SD but this article was making the rounds on my friends Facebook pages, thought I'd post it here...
http://sachem.patch.com/groups/dan-kosters-blog/p/bp--why-sachem-school-district-needs-to-live-within-ie8046a811f
"As you can see, 76% of the total proposed budget goes towards employee costs. Everything else – school buses and drivers, utilities, textbooks, stationary, the cost of outstanding bonds, computers and software, art supplies, uniforms, musical instruments, testing services, BOCES, etc. – is paid for with the remaining 24%"
Excellent Article. It is spot on and every year it will continue and nothing will ever get better without some core changes.
"Clearly, the smartest way to go forward is to neither raise taxes nor cut programs, but rather to reduce costs associated with employee overhead. That means cutting salaries (rather than simply slowing their growth) and shifting more of the burden of insurance and retirement costs back onto the employees instead of the taxpayer. The first two can be accomplished at the local level, while the third must be lobbied for in Albany. This is how every private business in the world responds when revenue streams decline; in order to save the company as a whole, overhead gets reduced. "
Take most any service type/knowledge industry out there....and the highest expenses are going to be the people and salaries!
The article mentions the other expenses are:Everything else – school buses and drivers, utilities, textbooks, stationary, the cost of outstanding bonds, computers and software, art supplies, uniforms, musical instruments, testing services, BOCES. How many of these need to be completely re-paid every year? Textbooks - you reuse them for a few years at least. Computers and Software can be re-used and SHARED, etc...
I am not a teacher and my DH is, so I completely understand the pay structure is different than the norm. However, Teachers are mandated to get a masters degree, have to take a certain amount of professional development each year. The teachers also signed contracts a few years ago, giving up their pay increases for 2 years just to decrease the number of teachers laid off and the budget down.
These teachers are also the people that are with your children everyday for hours. I would think that as parents, you would want to ensure that you have the highest quality professionals that there are.
Sorry this is so long, I am just not sure why people are surprised that Salaries are the biggest chunk of a school budget, especially in a district as HUGE as Sachem!
I have no issue with teachers' salaries. IMO most are underpaid. But not all employees are teachers. I think administrators (Superintendents, Asst. Superintendents, etc.) don't need raises every year and don't need to be making 1/4 million dollars.
250k is not a huge salary to run a multi million dollar company. Sachem is the largest (or one of) school districts on LI. I think they are getting off cheap by only paying that. Superintendents usually have doctorate degrees and have tons and tons of experience. They are not sitting in a cushy office or playing golf all day. They work hard and I'm not sure you would find someone to do it for much less.
Teachers make 100k +. What would you think is a fair salary for someone who manages an entire district.
Teachers who have been working for 20 years are making over 100k, the majority are not.
Any profession where the avg salary is 100k should not be earning a tax payer funded pension - the teachers union has done a grave disservice to everyone except teachers
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Re: Sachem Failed
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Any profession where the avg salary is 100k should not be earning a tax payer funded pension - the teachers union has done a grave disservice to everyone except teachers
Regardless, you shouldn't punish the children today for a decision made years ago. The pension contributions are set in stone, they can not be adjusted no matter how many times the budget is rejected.
Certain items (salary, pension) just can not be reduced/eliminated, no matter how opposed we are to it. By the time the budget comes to a vote those items have long been settled.
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Re: Sachem Failed
Posted by BargainMama
Our budget failed last year. They asked for a ridiculous amount. They revised it, made it under the cap magically (funny how that works) it passed, and we still have K, sports, etc.
It will work out!. They are playing the future K parents like a fiddle. Typical of all districts at budget time.
From your fingertips to Gods ears!!
And to touch on what we pay in taxes. Everyone seems to think since we are out here in Suffolk our taxes are low. It's not uncommon to find Sachem residents who pay 10-14k in taxes a year.
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Samson7256
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Re: Sachem Failed
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Any profession where the avg salary is 100k should not be earning a tax payer funded pension - the teachers union has done a grave disservice to everyone except teachers
Regardless, you shouldn't punish the children today for a decision made years ago. The pension contributions are set in stone, they can not be adjusted no matter how many times the budget is rejected.
Certain items (salary, pension) just can not be reduced/eliminated, no matter how opposed we are to it. By the time the budget comes to a vote those items have long been settled.
The teachers union and idiotic board of Ed are the ones who are punishing students by putting in place contracts that are way too lucrative to be funded by their local taxpayers - where else in the U.S. other than here do people pay well over 8k in taxes with the threat of losing so much if people don't agree to a 7.5% tax increase - we are a joke to the rest of the country. No one in their right mind moves TO NY - everyone is fighting to get the heck out !
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Sachem Failed
It won't get better until all the pension collectors are no longer collecting a pension which won't be anytime soon!!
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Re: Sachem Failed
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It won't get better until all these pension collectors croak!!
This comment was uncalled for. My mother is one of those pension collectors and she worked for her entire life for that money.
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Re: Sachem Failed
Posted by BargainMama
So you are basically saying that a teacher that makes 40k a year is not giving the students as good of an education as a teacher that makes 100k a year? I couldn't disagree more. I am not arguing, and I won't say anything else on the matter.
I didn't say that...you mentioned that where you are from teachers don't get paid that much. I'm just saying that you need to take the cost of living into account.
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Re: Sachem Failed
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Posted by Mrs213
It won't get better until all these pension collectors croak!!
This comment was uncalled for. My mother is one of those pension collectors and she worked for her entire life for that money.
I apologize for the remark
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It won't get better until all the pension collectors are no longer collecting a pension which won't be anytime soon!!
That's not much nicer
Pensions aren't just handed out. People work hard for them and it isn't just teachers
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Re: Sachem Failed
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Any profession where the avg salary is 100k should not be earning a tax payer funded pension - the teachers union has done a grave disservice to everyone except teachers
Regardless, you shouldn't punish the children today for a decision made years ago. The pension contributions are set in stone, they can not be adjusted no matter how many times the budget is rejected.
Certain items (salary, pension) just can not be reduced/eliminated, no matter how opposed we are to it. By the time the budget comes to a vote those items have long been settled.
The teachers union and idiotic board of Ed are the ones who are punishing students by putting in place contracts that are way too lucrative to be funded by their local taxpayers - where else in the U.S. other than here do people pay well over 8k in taxes with the threat of losing so much if people don't agree to a 7.5% tax increase - we are a joke to the rest of the country. No one in their right mind moves TO NY - everyone is fighting to get the heck out !
I totally agree with what you are saying, but unfortunately by budget vote time, it is too late.
People need to get involved in the process and understand who they are electing to their Board of Ed and what they stand for. Rejecting the budget on May 21st doesn't solve anything.
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Re: Sachem Failed
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It won't get better until all the pension collectors are no longer collecting a pension which won't be anytime soon!!
That's not much nicer
Pensions aren't just handed out. People work hard for them and it isn't just teachers
What I'm saying is that since they've changed it to where you pay into it, we won't see the effects for a long time. Not sure how to say that politely, since that's what a good portion of the budget is going to. 75% for salaries and pensions is a lot!!
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Re: Sachem Failed
Posted by Samson7256
The teachers union and idiotic board of Ed are the ones who are punishing students by putting in place contracts that are way too lucrative to be funded by their local taxpayers - where else in the U.S. other than here do people pay well over 8k in taxes with the threat of losing so much if people don't agree to a 7.5% tax increase - we are a joke to the rest of the country. No one in their right mind moves TO NY - everyone is fighting to get the heck out !
This issue is NOT limited to LI - it is happening EVERYWHERE in the state (even places that have less than lucrative contracts (ie 7 year experience - 50K, top pay (25-30 years) - 95K)). Schools have lost 50% of their state aid - people need to write to their state representatives and push them to better fund schools.
Last year, I wrote Governor Cuomo and my local representatives a letter every day for 30 days about the importance of education - schools and communities need to start LARGE SCALE letter writing campaigns to get better funding for our schools!
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Re: Sachem Failed
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Posted by Samson7256
The teachers union and idiotic board of Ed are the ones who are punishing students by putting in place contracts that are way too lucrative to be funded by their local taxpayers - where else in the U.S. other than here do people pay well over 8k in taxes with the threat of losing so much if people don't agree to a 7.5% tax increase - we are a joke to the rest of the country. No one in their right mind moves TO NY - everyone is fighting to get the heck out !
This issue is NOT limited to LI - it is happening EVERYWHERE in the state (even places that have less than lucrative contracts (ie 7 year experience - 50K, top pay (25-30 years) - 95K)). Schools have lost 50% of their state aid - people need to write to their state representatives and push them to better fund schools.
Last year, I wrote Governor Cuomo and my local representatives a letter every day for 30 days about the importance of education - schools and communities need to start LARGE SCALE letter writing campaigns to get better funding for our schools!
Time to get out of NY and the tax cap is a joke 
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Re: Sachem Failed
I wish people knew what they were talking about...
Did You Know...
About 90% of funds used to pay NYSTRS benefits come from investment returns and employee contributions? See our NYSTRS Pension Dollar.
Check the nystrs website. We pay into that...and we are not the only ones with a pension. Sachem will figure it out. They have to. They are unfortunately one of the first hit hard by the tax cap. Soon education will be for the rich.
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KarenK122
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Re: Sachem Failed
Posted by juanvi
I wish people knew what they were talking about...
Did You Know...
About 90% of funds used to pay NYSTRS benefits come from investment returns and employee contributions? See our NYSTRS Pension Dollar.
Check the nystrs website. We pay into that...and we are not the only ones with a pension. Sachem will figure it out. They have to. They are unfortunately one of the first hit hard by the tax cap. Soon education will be for the rich.
I'm not too sure about that 90% number as our district had a 37% increase to the pension this year. There is nothing we can do about that now....pensions are grandfathered in and can not be touched but for new hires there needs to be a huge overall. The healthcare package also needs to be looked at just like every other job in the country to see if there could be any changes to that. I have no issue with their salaries as I think they are well deserved.
Also, Sachem is not the first hit hard by the cap...all districts are hit hard and are cutting back something. Sachem is in trouble because instead of issuing a normal tax increase for the last few years they used their reserve funds. Well those funds run out and now they can't sustain their programs. Until they figure out how to get those reserves back up they are going to be in trouble for many years.
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Sachem Failed
I really can't deal. Teachers are bashed at every opportunity. How dare we fight for fair salaries? We should be ashamed ourselves :(LMFAO
We go to school for 6 years, hold high level degrees, and in most districts we do not make 6 figures until it is almost time for retirement.
I know I am not the only teacher that gives up her lunch to help students with assignments or prepare for talent shows.
We work hard. But, everybody hates us.
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ElizaRags35
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Re: Sachem Failed
Posted by alli3131
Posted by ElizaRags35
Posted by mrs717
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Posted by twiceasnice
Posted by greenfreak
Not a parent or in Sachem SD but this article was making the rounds on my friends Facebook pages, thought I'd post it here...
http://sachem.patch.com/groups/dan-kosters-blog/p/bp--why-sachem-school-district-needs-to-live-within-ie8046a811f
"As you can see, 76% of the total proposed budget goes towards employee costs. Everything else – school buses and drivers, utilities, textbooks, stationary, the cost of outstanding bonds, computers and software, art supplies, uniforms, musical instruments, testing services, BOCES, etc. – is paid for with the remaining 24%"
Excellent Article. It is spot on and every year it will continue and nothing will ever get better without some core changes.
"Clearly, the smartest way to go forward is to neither raise taxes nor cut programs, but rather to reduce costs associated with employee overhead. That means cutting salaries (rather than simply slowing their growth) and shifting more of the burden of insurance and retirement costs back onto the employees instead of the taxpayer. The first two can be accomplished at the local level, while the third must be lobbied for in Albany. This is how every private business in the world responds when revenue streams decline; in order to save the company as a whole, overhead gets reduced. "
Take most any service type/knowledge industry out there....and the highest expenses are going to be the people and salaries!
The article mentions the other expenses are:Everything else – school buses and drivers, utilities, textbooks, stationary, the cost of outstanding bonds, computers and software, art supplies, uniforms, musical instruments, testing services, BOCES. How many of these need to be completely re-paid every year? Textbooks - you reuse them for a few years at least. Computers and Software can be re-used and SHARED, etc...
I am not a teacher and my DH is, so I completely understand the pay structure is different than the norm. However, Teachers are mandated to get a masters degree, have to take a certain amount of professional development each year. The teachers also signed contracts a few years ago, giving up their pay increases for 2 years just to decrease the number of teachers laid off and the budget down.
These teachers are also the people that are with your children everyday for hours. I would think that as parents, you would want to ensure that you have the highest quality professionals that there are.
Sorry this is so long, I am just not sure why people are surprised that Salaries are the biggest chunk of a school budget, especially in a district as HUGE as Sachem!
I have no issue with teachers' salaries. IMO most are underpaid. But not all employees are teachers. I think administrators (Superintendents, Asst. Superintendents, etc.) don't need raises every year and don't need to be making 1/4 million dollars.
250k is not a huge salary to run a multi million dollar company. Sachem is the largest (or one of) school districts on LI. I think they are getting off cheap by only paying that. Superintendents usually have doctorate degrees and have tons and tons of experience. They are not sitting in a cushy office or playing golf all day. They work hard and I'm not sure you would find someone to do it for much less.
Teachers make 100k +. What would you think is a fair salary for someone who manages an entire district.
They're not running Fortune 500 companies! I'm not saying their job is easy but the people who actually spend 8+ hours a day educating the children and then continuing to work at home deserve the raises and the higher salaries.
We'll just have to agree to disagree.
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KarenK122
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Re: Sachem Failed
Posted by lilqtny
I really can't deal. Teachers are bashed at every opportunity. How dare we fight for fair salaries? We should be ashamed ourselves :(LMFAO
We go to school for 6 years, hold high level degrees, and in most districts we do not make 6 figures until it is almost time for retirement.
I know I am not the only teacher that gives up her lunch to help students with assignments or prepare for talent shows.
We work hard. But, everybody hates us.
I really did not see anyone bashing teachers themselves. I also didn't see most people say that you do not deserve your salary. The issue is that the private sector for years has not had retirement plans, had to pay into their own 401Ks with minimal employer contributions, had our healthcare slashed, went without raises or bonuses for years and still make around what teachers do. Teachers work hard but so do other professions and the teaching profession should not be except from the same issues the private sector has faced. I have the utmost respect for all teachers and think many go above and beyond, but you know what, so do other people.
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Posted by lilqtny
I really can't deal. Teachers are bashed at every opportunity. How dare we fight for fair salaries? We should be ashamed ourselves :(LMFAO
We go to school for 6 years, hold high level degrees, and in most districts we do not make 6 figures until it is almost time for retirement.
I know I am not the only teacher that gives up her lunch to help students with assignments or prepare for talent shows.
We work hard. But, everybody hates us.
I really did not see anyone bashing teachers themselves. I also didn't see most people say that you do not deserve your salary. The issue is that the private sector for years has not had retirement plans, had to pay into their own 401Ks with minimal employer contributions, had our healthcare slashed, went without raises or bonuses for years and still make around what teachers do. Teachers work hard but so do other professions and the teaching profession should not be except from the same issues the private sector has faced. I have the utmost respect for all teachers and think many go above and beyond, but you know what, so do other people.
Well said.
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Re: Sachem Failed
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by lilqtny
I really can't deal. Teachers are bashed at every opportunity. How dare we fight for fair salaries? We should be ashamed ourselves :(LMFAO
We go to school for 6 years, hold high level degrees, and in most districts we do not make 6 figures until it is almost time for retirement.
I know I am not the only teacher that gives up her lunch to help students with assignments or prepare for talent shows.
We work hard. But, everybody hates us.
I really did not see anyone bashing teachers themselves. I also didn't see most people say that you do not deserve your salary. The issue is that the private sector for years has not had retirement plans, had to pay into their own 401Ks with minimal employer contributions, had our healthcare slashed, went without raises or bonuses for years and still make around what teachers do. Teachers work hard but so do other professions and the teaching profession should not be except from the same issues the private sector has faced. I have the utmost respect for all teachers and think many go above and beyond, but you know what, so do other people.
If we are going to compare to the private sector then i would like the option to work from home once a week, an hour lunch, and please, the company credit card for all the supplies no one sends their kids in with!
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Re: Sachem Failed
Posted by Jbon630
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by lilqtny
I really can't deal. Teachers are bashed at every opportunity. How dare we fight for fair salaries? We should be ashamed ourselves :(LMFAO
We go to school for 6 years, hold high level degrees, and in most districts we do not make 6 figures until it is almost time for retirement.
I know I am not the only teacher that gives up her lunch to help students with assignments or prepare for talent shows.
We work hard. But, everybody hates us.
I really did not see anyone bashing teachers themselves. I also didn't see most people say that you do not deserve your salary. The issue is that the private sector for years has not had retirement plans, had to pay into their own 401Ks with minimal employer contributions, had our healthcare slashed, went without raises or bonuses for years and still make around what teachers do. Teachers work hard but so do other professions and the teaching profession should not be except from the same issues the private sector has faced. I have the utmost respect for all teachers and think many go above and beyond, but you know what, so do other people.
If we are going to compare to the private sector then i would like the option to work from home once a week, an hour lunch, and please, the company credit card for all the supplies no one sends their kids in with!
Well if you really want to compare, I worked 10 hours a day, commuted for 4. I was on call every night and every weekend. Never went to lunch except for maybe once every other week. Did not have a company credit card, nor was I able to write off things from my job on my taxes. I worked hard, sometimes we worked through the night for days at a time and slept on the floor. In last 5 years I worked we had no raises, minimal bonuses, increased health care costs. Most of the people I worked with did not make over $100,000 and all had degrees if not masters. They layed off numerous people and I was doing the work that 3 people did before. I only had 3 weeks vacation, 5 sick days and 3 personal days. But you know what, I LOVED my job and I signed up for what I did. I didn't complain and do a woe is me I work so hard because there are plenty of people who work just as hard if not harder or in more dangerous jobs.
This is not a tit for tat issue on who's job is more important or hard. The issue is that in today's economic climate almost everyone is doing more with less and we need to be sympathetic to that.
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Re: Sachem Failed
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by Jbon630
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by lilqtny
I really can't deal. Teachers are bashed at every opportunity. How dare we fight for fair salaries? We should be ashamed ourselves :(LMFAO
We go to school for 6 years, hold high level degrees, and in most districts we do not make 6 figures until it is almost time for retirement.
I know I am not the only teacher that gives up her lunch to help students with assignments or prepare for talent shows.
We work hard. But, everybody hates us.
I really did not see anyone bashing teachers themselves. I also didn't see most people say that you do not deserve your salary. The issue is that the private sector for years has not had retirement plans, had to pay into their own 401Ks with minimal employer contributions, had our healthcare slashed, went without raises or bonuses for years and still make around what teachers do. Teachers work hard but so do other professions and the teaching profession should not be except from the same issues the private sector has faced. I have the utmost respect for all teachers and think many go above and beyond, but you know what, so do other people.
If we are going to compare to the private sector then i would like the option to work from home once a week, an hour lunch, and please, the company credit card for all the supplies no one sends their kids in with!
Well if you really want to compare, I worked 10 hours a day, commuted for 4. I was on call every night and every weekend. Never went to lunch except for maybe once every other week. Did not have a company credit card, nor was I able to write off things from my job on my taxes. I worked hard, sometimes we worked through the night for days at a time and slept on the floor. In last 5 years I worked we had no raises, minimal bonuses, increased health care costs. Most of the people I worked with did not make over $100,000 and all had degrees if not masters. They layed off numerous people and I was doing the work that 3 people did before. I only had 3 weeks vacation, 5 sick days and 3 personal days. But you know what, I LOVED my job and I signed up for what I did. I didn't complain and do a woe is me I work so hard because there are plenty of people who work just as hard if not harder or in more dangerous jobs.
This is not a tit for tat issue on who's job is more important or hard. The issue is that in today's economic climate almost everyone is doing more with less and we need to be sympathetic to that.
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Re: Sachem Failed
Posted by juanvi
Check the nystrs website. We pay into that...
I'm not too sure about that 90% number as our district had a 37% increase to the pension this year. There is nothing we can do about that now....pensions are grandfathered in and can not be touched but for new hires there needs to be a huge overall. The healthcare package also needs to be looked at just like every other job in the country to see if there could be any changes to that. I have no issue with their salaries as I think they are well deserved.
Also, Sachem is not the first hit hard by the cap...all districts are hit hard and are cutting back something. Sachem is in trouble because instead of issuing a normal tax increase for the last few years they used their reserve funds. Well those funds run out and now they can't sustain their programs. Until they figure out how to get those reserves back up they are going to be in trouble for many years.
****They are the most in debt. Most if not all districts are functioning on reserves. (I messed up the quote thing on here sorry)
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Re: Sachem Failed
All the SachemMoms here please join the FB group Sachem Moms. There's a lot of discussions going on there.
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