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MichLiz213
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
Posted by heynow
Assembly Bill A973
2019-2020 Legislative Session
Provides treatment for sexually transmitted diseases to minors without a parent's or guardian's consent
This doesn't scare you??
The misinformation that you have been throwing around as gospel on this thread scares me.
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
Posted by MichLiz213
Posted by heynow
Assembly Bill A973
2019-2020 Legislative Session
Provides treatment for sexually transmitted diseases to minors without a parent's or guardian's consent
This doesn't scare you??
The misinformation that you have been throwing around as gospel on this thread scares me.
That is not misinformation. That is directly off the NY assembly website. You think I'm making this up?
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heynow
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
Posted by MichLiz213
Posted by heynow
Assembly Bill A973
2019-2020 Legislative Session
Provides treatment for sexually transmitted diseases to minors without a parent's or guardian's consent
This doesn't scare you??
The misinformation that you have been throwing around as gospel on this thread scares me.
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2019/A973
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Peainapod
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
Posted by FirstMate
Posted by PitterPatter11
Everyone who can be vaccinated, should be vaccinated - this protects the people who can not be vaccinated (the very young, people with compromised immune systems, etc). I do not think there should be any exceptions unless you medically can not get it (HIV, cancer, certain autoimmune diseases).
People who choose not to vaccinate are reckless and irresponsible and are putting other people's safety at risk. Vaccines only protect those unable to vaccinate if a certain percentage is met (herd immunity).
Agreed.
I really don't want my kids around children who aren't vaccinated. THEY are the ones putting everyone else at risk. I have also noticed that in my circle, the anti-vaxers pretty much keep mum on the topic probably because 1. they don't want to hear it and 2. they don't want their kids excluded.
I happen to know 2 people who had children with catastrophic reaction to vaccinations. One was in the early 80's the other was in 1998. I can understand why they and their offspring are anti-vax but catastrophic side effects are not common.
I was one of those kids in 1980 b/c my dr vaccinated me with the measles shot while I was running a fever. Im not exactly sure of the whole story..i think the dr assured my parents it was ok..must have been a low grade fever or something. later that evening I spiked 105 fever, seizures, etc. I was in a coma and intensive care for almost 2 weeks. Dr's told my parents that if they were lucky, I'd be a "vegetable" the rest of my life.
Here I am alive and well and I still vaccinated my child. I only asked the pediatrician to separate the MMr shot from all the others when it was time for him to get it to watch for any severe reaction. they were Ok with that.
I am, however, on the fence about the HPV vaccine for boys. my son is 9 now and I need to read up on this as I hear very mixed things about this one.
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MichLiz213
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
Posted by heynow
Posted by MichLiz213
Posted by heynow
Assembly Bill A973
2019-2020 Legislative Session
Provides treatment for sexually transmitted diseases to minors without a parent's or guardian's consent
This doesn't scare you??
The misinformation that you have been throwing around as gospel on this thread scares me.
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2019/A973
I’m not talking about this. I’m talking about all of the other information you have posted. This bill doesn’t scare me. I am in agreement with LuckyStar on this. I would rather see a teenager be able to seek treatment than not.
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heynow
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
Posted by Peainapod
Posted by FirstMate
Posted by PitterPatter11
Everyone who can be vaccinated, should be vaccinated - this protects the people who can not be vaccinated (the very young, people with compromised immune systems, etc). I do not think there should be any exceptions unless you medically can not get it (HIV, cancer, certain autoimmune diseases).
People who choose not to vaccinate are reckless and irresponsible and are putting other people's safety at risk. Vaccines only protect those unable to vaccinate if a certain percentage is met (herd immunity).
Agreed.
I really don't want my kids around children who aren't vaccinated. THEY are the ones putting everyone else at risk. I have also noticed that in my circle, the anti-vaxers pretty much keep mum on the topic probably because 1. they don't want to hear it and 2. they don't want their kids excluded.
I happen to know 2 people who had children with catastrophic reaction to vaccinations. One was in the early 80's the other was in 1998. I can understand why they and their offspring are anti-vax but catastrophic side effects are not common.
I was one of those kids in 1980 b/c my dr vaccinated me with the measles shot while I was running a fever. Im not exactly sure of the whole story..i think the dr assured my parents it was ok..must have been a low grade fever or something. later that evening I spiked 105 fever, seizures, etc. I was in a coma and intensive care for almost 2 weeks. Dr's told my parents that if they were lucky, I'd be a "vegetable" the rest of my life.
Here I am alive and well and I still vaccinated my child. I only asked the pediatrician to separate the MMr shot from all the others when it was time for him to get it to watch for any severe reaction. they were Ok with that.
I am, however, on the fence about the HPV vaccine for boys. my son is 9 now and I need to read up on this as I hear very mixed things about this one.
You might not have a choice, as there is currently a bill to make Gardasil mandatory, as well as to administer without your knowledge or consent. My friends son had a severe reaction to the first gardasil shot. Cross eyed, double vision and a host of severe issues. They are lucky he is alive.
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Peainapod
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
Posted by klingklang77
Just out of curiosity, how many adults here also get their titres checked and vaccines updated?
I have had most of them updated, but I really need to get the chicken pox one because I never had the chicken pox.
I’m all for vaccinations. Most doctors are as well.
i had to get updated shots when i went through IVF. they couldnt determine my immunity to chicken pox ( i had it mildly as a child) so they made me get the shingles vaccine.
2 yrs later I came down with shingles anyway..
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heynow
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
Posted by MichLiz213
Posted by heynow
Posted by MichLiz213
Posted by heynow
Assembly Bill A973
2019-2020 Legislative Session
Provides treatment for sexually transmitted diseases to minors without a parent's or guardian's consent
This doesn't scare you??
The misinformation that you have been throwing around as gospel on this thread scares me.
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2019/A973
I’m not talking about this. I’m talking about all of the other information you have posted. This bill doesn’t scare me. I am in agreement with LuckyStar on this. I would rather see a teenager be able to seek treatment than not.
It's not "seek treatment". It's giving your child a medical procedure without your knowledge or consent. If you are ok with that, then don't call your senator or assembly person.
I'm not saying gospel, but there is a lot more info out there. That's all I'm saying. The media lets you hear what they want you to hear. Just an FYI, almost every "anti-vaxxer" was a pro vaxxer at one point, myself included. Usually a vaccine injury in themselves, a child, friend or family member is what prompts the deeper delving into the true information of vaccine safety and efficacy. every person I know who has been through this wishes they did more research before they made decisions about vaccines. I know a whole lot of regrets. And there are more and more people out there realizing the truth. That is why the pharmaceutical industry is fighting so hard. It's all push back.
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
Posted by heynow
Posted by Peainapod
Posted by FirstMate
Posted by PitterPatter11
Everyone who can be vaccinated, should be vaccinated - this protects the people who can not be vaccinated (the very young, people with compromised immune systems, etc). I do not think there should be any exceptions unless you medically can not get it (HIV, cancer, certain autoimmune diseases).
People who choose not to vaccinate are reckless and irresponsible and are putting other people's safety at risk. Vaccines only protect those unable to vaccinate if a certain percentage is met (herd immunity).
Agreed.
I really don't want my kids around children who aren't vaccinated. THEY are the ones putting everyone else at risk. I have also noticed that in my circle, the anti-vaxers pretty much keep mum on the topic probably because 1. they don't want to hear it and 2. they don't want their kids excluded.
I happen to know 2 people who had children with catastrophic reaction to vaccinations. One was in the early 80's the other was in 1998. I can understand why they and their offspring are anti-vax but catastrophic side effects are not common.
I was one of those kids in 1980 b/c my dr vaccinated me with the measles shot while I was running a fever. Im not exactly sure of the whole story..i think the dr assured my parents it was ok..must have been a low grade fever or something. later that evening I spiked 105 fever, seizures, etc. I was in a coma and intensive care for almost 2 weeks. Dr's told my parents that if they were lucky, I'd be a "vegetable" the rest of my life.
Here I am alive and well and I still vaccinated my child. I only asked the pediatrician to separate the MMr shot from all the others when it was time for him to get it to watch for any severe reaction. they were Ok with that.
I am, however, on the fence about the HPV vaccine for boys. my son is 9 now and I need to read up on this as I hear very mixed things about this one.
You might not have a choice, as there is currently a bill to make Gardasil mandatory, as well as to administer without your knowledge or consent. My friends son had a severe reaction to the first gardasil shot. DCross eyes, double vision and a host of sever issues. They are lucky he is alive.
Please show where you see the bill say it would be mandatory? That's just not true. It specifically says if the person is able to consent for themselves. They're not going to line kids up in school and vaccinate them all.
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MichLiz213
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
Posted by heynow
Posted by MichLiz213
Posted by heynow
Posted by MichLiz213
Posted by heynow
Assembly Bill A973
2019-2020 Legislative Session
Provides treatment for sexually transmitted diseases to minors without a parent's or guardian's consent
This doesn't scare you??
The misinformation that you have been throwing around as gospel on this thread scares me.
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2019/A973
I’m not talking about this. I’m talking about all of the other information you have posted. This bill doesn’t scare me. I am in agreement with LuckyStar on this. I would rather see a teenager be able to seek treatment than not.
It's not "seek treatment". It's giving your child a medical procedure without your knowledge or consent. If you are ok with that, then don't call your senator or assembly person.
I'm not saying gospel, but there is a lot more info out there. That's all I'm saying. The media lets you hear what they want you to hear. Just an FYI, almost every "anti-vaxxer" was a pro vaxxer at one point, myself included. Usually a vaccine injury in themselves, a child, friend or family member is what prompts the deeper delving into the true information of vaccine safety and efficacy. every person I know who has been through this wishes they did more research before they made decisions about vaccines. I know a whole lot of regrets. And there are more and more people out there realizing the truth. That is why the pharmaceutical industry is fighting so hard. It's all push back.
I am a librarian. All I am is factual information. You are posting pseudoscience and propaganda. You said literally no vaccine trials have used the “gold standard” and I found two examples within minutes out of thousands. Peer reviewed, scientific studies. You posted that doctors who don’t agree with the vaccine schedule wind up dead. You have sources for that? You posted that children will be able to get Gardasil without consent when neither bill you posted states that.
Don’t talk to me about information. I know information.
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heynow
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
Posted by MrsT809
Posted by heynow
Posted by Peainapod
Posted by FirstMate
Posted by PitterPatter11
Everyone who can be vaccinated, should be vaccinated - this protects the people who can not be vaccinated (the very young, people with compromised immune systems, etc). I do not think there should be any exceptions unless you medically can not get it (HIV, cancer, certain autoimmune diseases).
People who choose not to vaccinate are reckless and irresponsible and are putting other people's safety at risk. Vaccines only protect those unable to vaccinate if a certain percentage is met (herd immunity).
Agreed.
I really don't want my kids around children who aren't vaccinated. THEY are the ones putting everyone else at risk. I have also noticed that in my circle, the anti-vaxers pretty much keep mum on the topic probably because 1. they don't want to hear it and 2. they don't want their kids excluded.
I happen to know 2 people who had children with catastrophic reaction to vaccinations. One was in the early 80's the other was in 1998. I can understand why they and their offspring are anti-vax but catastrophic side effects are not common.
I was one of those kids in 1980 b/c my dr vaccinated me with the measles shot while I was running a fever. Im not exactly sure of the whole story..i think the dr assured my parents it was ok..must have been a low grade fever or something. later that evening I spiked 105 fever, seizures, etc. I was in a coma and intensive care for almost 2 weeks. Dr's told my parents that if they were lucky, I'd be a "vegetable" the rest of my life.
Here I am alive and well and I still vaccinated my child. I only asked the pediatrician to separate the MMr shot from all the others when it was time for him to get it to watch for any severe reaction. they were Ok with that.
I am, however, on the fence about the HPV vaccine for boys. my son is 9 now and I need to read up on this as I hear very mixed things about this one.
You might not have a choice, as there is currently a bill to make Gardasil mandatory, as well as to administer without your knowledge or consent. My friends son had a severe reaction to the first gardasil shot. DCross eyes, double vision and a host of sever issues. They are lucky he is alive.
Please show where you see the bill say it would be mandatory? That's just not true. It specifically says if the person is able to consent for themselves. They're not going to line kids up in school and vaccinate them all.
It's a separate bill https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2019/s298
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2019/a2912
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heynow
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
Posted by MichLiz213
Posted by heynow
Posted by MichLiz213
Posted by heynow
Posted by MichLiz213
Posted by heynow
Assembly Bill A973
2019-2020 Legislative Session
Provides treatment for sexually transmitted diseases to minors without a parent's or guardian's consent
This doesn't scare you??
The misinformation that you have been throwing around as gospel on this thread scares me.
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2019/A973
I’m not talking about this. I’m talking about all of the other information you have posted. This bill doesn’t scare me. I am in agreement with LuckyStar on this. I would rather see a teenager be able to seek treatment than not.
It's not "seek treatment". It's giving your child a medical procedure without your knowledge or consent. If you are ok with that, then don't call your senator or assembly person.
I'm not saying gospel, but there is a lot more info out there. That's all I'm saying. The media lets you hear what they want you to hear. Just an FYI, almost every "anti-vaxxer" was a pro vaxxer at one point, myself included. Usually a vaccine injury in themselves, a child, friend or family member is what prompts the deeper delving into the true information of vaccine safety and efficacy. every person I know who has been through this wishes they did more research before they made decisions about vaccines. I know a whole lot of regrets. And there are more and more people out there realizing the truth. That is why the pharmaceutical industry is fighting so hard. It's all push back.
I am a librarian. All I am is factual information. You are posting pseudoscience and propaganda. You said literally no vaccine trials have used the “gold standard” and I found two examples within minutes out of thousands. Peer reviewed, scientific studies. You posted that doctors who don’t agree with the vaccine schedule wind up dead. You have sources for that? You posted that children will be able to get Gardasil without consent when neither bill you posted states that.
Don’t talk to me about information. I know information.
You might know information, but don't know how to read. Both assembly and senate bills say :
2019-2020 Legislative Session
Provides treatment for sexually transmitted diseases to minors without a parent's or guardian's consent. Cut and pasted directly from their website.
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
Posted by heynow
Posted by MichLiz213
Posted by heynow
Posted by MichLiz213
Posted by heynow
Assembly Bill A973
2019-2020 Legislative Session
Provides treatment for sexually transmitted diseases to minors without a parent's or guardian's consent
This doesn't scare you??
The misinformation that you have been throwing around as gospel on this thread scares me.
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2019/A973
I’m not talking about this. I’m talking about all of the other information you have posted. This bill doesn’t scare me. I am in agreement with LuckyStar on this. I would rather see a teenager be able to seek treatment than not.
It's not "seek treatment". It's giving your child a medical procedure without your knowledge or consent. If you are ok with that, then don't call your senator or assembly person.
I don’t understand what you mean. Do you think they should be able to seek out the treatment and then not receive it without parental consent?
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MichLiz213
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
Posted by heynow
Posted by MichLiz213
Posted by heynow
Posted by MichLiz213
Posted by heynow
Posted by MichLiz213
Posted by heynow
Assembly Bill A973
2019-2020 Legislative Session
Provides treatment for sexually transmitted diseases to minors without a parent's or guardian's consent
This doesn't scare you??
The misinformation that you have been throwing around as gospel on this thread scares me.
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2019/A973
I’m not talking about this. I’m talking about all of the other information you have posted. This bill doesn’t scare me. I am in agreement with LuckyStar on this. I would rather see a teenager be able to seek treatment than not.
It's not "seek treatment". It's giving your child a medical procedure without your knowledge or consent. If you are ok with that, then don't call your senator or assembly person.
I'm not saying gospel, but there is a lot more info out there. That's all I'm saying. The media lets you hear what they want you to hear. Just an FYI, almost every "anti-vaxxer" was a pro vaxxer at one point, myself included. Usually a vaccine injury in themselves, a child, friend or family member is what prompts the deeper delving into the true information of vaccine safety and efficacy. every person I know who has been through this wishes they did more research before they made decisions about vaccines. I know a whole lot of regrets. And there are more and more people out there realizing the truth. That is why the pharmaceutical industry is fighting so hard. It's all push back.
I am a librarian. All I am is factual information. You are posting pseudoscience and propaganda. You said literally no vaccine trials have used the “gold standard” and I found two examples within minutes out of thousands. Peer reviewed, scientific studies. You posted that doctors who don’t agree with the vaccine schedule wind up dead. You have sources for that? You posted that children will be able to get Gardasil without consent when neither bill you posted states that.
Don’t talk to me about information. I know information.
You might know information, but don't know how to read. Both assembly and senate bills say :
2019-2020 Legislative Session
Provides treatment for sexually transmitted diseases to minors without a parent's or guardian's consent. Cut and pasted directly from their website.
I can read fine and have already stated my stance on this. What’s your point?
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heynow
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by heynow
Posted by MichLiz213
Posted by heynow
Posted by MichLiz213
Posted by heynow
Assembly Bill A973
2019-2020 Legislative Session
Provides treatment for sexually transmitted diseases to minors without a parent's or guardian's consent
This doesn't scare you??
The misinformation that you have been throwing around as gospel on this thread scares me.
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2019/A973
I’m not talking about this. I’m talking about all of the other information you have posted. This bill doesn’t scare me. I am in agreement with LuckyStar on this. I would rather see a teenager be able to seek treatment than not.
It's not "seek treatment". It's giving your child a medical procedure without your knowledge or consent. If you are ok with that, then don't call your senator or assembly person.
I don’t understand what you mean. Do you think they should be able to seek out the treatment and then not receive it without parental consent?
A school nurse or other medical professional could give this to your child. They don't have to get your permission, not do they have to inform you they did it. This is not about pro or antivaccine, this is the government way overstepping. This is a bill for minors. Under 18, and since it's approved and recommended from 9 and up, that means your 9 year old could be given a vaccine and you not even know. You are ok with that?? God forbid they have an adverse reaction? Since when does the government administer medical treatment (barring emergency situations) without parental consent? I'm baffled that anyone could think this is ok, regardless of one's views on vaccines.
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heynow
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
Posted by MichLiz213
Posted by heynow
Posted by MichLiz213
Posted by heynow
Posted by MichLiz213
Posted by heynow
Posted by MichLiz213
Posted by heynow
Assembly Bill A973
2019-2020 Legislative Session
Provides treatment for sexually transmitted diseases to minors without a parent's or guardian's consent
This doesn't scare you??
The misinformation that you have been throwing around as gospel on this thread scares me.
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2019/A973
I’m not talking about this. I’m talking about all of the other information you have posted. This bill doesn’t scare me. I am in agreement with LuckyStar on this. I would rather see a teenager be able to seek treatment than not.
It's not "seek treatment". It's giving your child a medical procedure without your knowledge or consent. If you are ok with that, then don't call your senator or assembly person.
I'm not saying gospel, but there is a lot more info out there. That's all I'm saying. The media lets you hear what they want you to hear. Just an FYI, almost every "anti-vaxxer" was a pro vaxxer at one point, myself included. Usually a vaccine injury in themselves, a child, friend or family member is what prompts the deeper delving into the true information of vaccine safety and efficacy. every person I know who has been through this wishes they did more research before they made decisions about vaccines. I know a whole lot of regrets. And there are more and more people out there realizing the truth. That is why the pharmaceutical industry is fighting so hard. It's all push back.
I am a librarian. All I am is factual information. You are posting pseudoscience and propaganda. You said literally no vaccine trials have used the “gold standard” and I found two examples within minutes out of thousands. Peer reviewed, scientific studies. You posted that doctors who don’t agree with the vaccine schedule wind up dead. You have sources for that? You posted that children will be able to get Gardasil without consent when neither bill you posted states that.
Don’t talk to me about information. I know information.
You might know information, but don't know how to read. Both assembly and senate bills say :
2019-2020 Legislative Session
Provides treatment for sexually transmitted diseases to minors without a parent's or guardian's consent. Cut and pasted directly from their website.
I can read fine and have already stated my stance on this. What’s your point?
You said the bill I linked didn't say without a parent's consent. It does. Clearly.
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MichLiz213
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
Posted by heynow
Posted by MrsT809
Posted by heynow
Posted by Peainapod
Posted by FirstMate
Posted by PitterPatter11
Everyone who can be vaccinated, should be vaccinated - this protects the people who can not be vaccinated (the very young, people with compromised immune systems, etc). I do not think there should be any exceptions unless you medically can not get it (HIV, cancer, certain autoimmune diseases).
People who choose not to vaccinate are reckless and irresponsible and are putting other people's safety at risk. Vaccines only protect those unable to vaccinate if a certain percentage is met (herd immunity).
Agreed.
I really don't want my kids around children who aren't vaccinated. THEY are the ones putting everyone else at risk. I have also noticed that in my circle, the anti-vaxers pretty much keep mum on the topic probably because 1. they don't want to hear it and 2. they don't want their kids excluded.
I happen to know 2 people who had children with catastrophic reaction to vaccinations. One was in the early 80's the other was in 1998. I can understand why they and their offspring are anti-vax but catastrophic side effects are not common.
I was one of those kids in 1980 b/c my dr vaccinated me with the measles shot while I was running a fever. Im not exactly sure of the whole story..i think the dr assured my parents it was ok..must have been a low grade fever or something. later that evening I spiked 105 fever, seizures, etc. I was in a coma and intensive care for almost 2 weeks. Dr's told my parents that if they were lucky, I'd be a "vegetable" the rest of my life.
Here I am alive and well and I still vaccinated my child. I only asked the pediatrician to separate the MMr shot from all the others when it was time for him to get it to watch for any severe reaction. they were Ok with that.
I am, however, on the fence about the HPV vaccine for boys. my son is 9 now and I need to read up on this as I hear very mixed things about this one.
You might not have a choice, as there is currently a bill to make Gardasil mandatory, as well as to administer without your knowledge or consent. My friends son had a severe reaction to the first gardasil shot. DCross eyes, double vision and a host of sever issues. They are lucky he is alive.
Please show where you see the bill say it would be mandatory? That's just not true. It specifically says if the person is able to consent for themselves. They're not going to line kids up in school and vaccinate them all.
It's a separate bill https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2019/s298
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2019/a2912
Nowhere in either of these bills does it say that anyone can administer the Gardasil vaccine without parental consent.
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MichLiz213
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
Posted by heynow
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by heynow
Posted by MichLiz213
Posted by heynow
Posted by MichLiz213
Posted by heynow
Assembly Bill A973
2019-2020 Legislative Session
Provides treatment for sexually transmitted diseases to minors without a parent's or guardian's consent
This doesn't scare you??
The misinformation that you have been throwing around as gospel on this thread scares me.
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2019/A973
I’m not talking about this. I’m talking about all of the other information you have posted. This bill doesn’t scare me. I am in agreement with LuckyStar on this. I would rather see a teenager be able to seek treatment than not.
It's not "seek treatment". It's giving your child a medical procedure without your knowledge or consent. If you are ok with that, then don't call your senator or assembly person.
I don’t understand what you mean. Do you think they should be able to seek out the treatment and then not receive it without parental consent?
A school nurse or other medical professional could give this to your child. They don't have to get your permission, not do they have to inform you they did it. This is not about pro or antivaccine, this is the government way overstepping. This is a bill for minors. Under 18, and since it's approved and recommended from 9 and up, that means your 9 year old could be given a vaccine and you not even know. You are ok with that?? God forbid they have an adverse reaction? Since when does the government administer medical treatment (barring emergency situations) without parental consent? I'm baffled that anyone could think this is ok, regardless of one's views on vaccines.
Where does it say that in either of these bills? I’m not talking about treatment. I’m talking about vaccines. Treating an illness without consent and administering a vaccine without consent are two different things.
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MichLiz213
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
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Assembly Bill A973
2019-2020 Legislative Session
Provides treatment for sexually transmitted diseases to minors without a parent's or guardian's consent
This doesn't scare you??
The misinformation that you have been throwing around as gospel on this thread scares me.
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2019/A973
I’m not talking about this. I’m talking about all of the other information you have posted. This bill doesn’t scare me. I am in agreement with LuckyStar on this. I would rather see a teenager be able to seek treatment than not.
It's not "seek treatment". It's giving your child a medical procedure without your knowledge or consent. If you are ok with that, then don't call your senator or assembly person.
I'm not saying gospel, but there is a lot more info out there. That's all I'm saying. The media lets you hear what they want you to hear. Just an FYI, almost every "anti-vaxxer" was a pro vaxxer at one point, myself included. Usually a vaccine injury in themselves, a child, friend or family member is what prompts the deeper delving into the true information of vaccine safety and efficacy. every person I know who has been through this wishes they did more research before they made decisions about vaccines. I know a whole lot of regrets. And there are more and more people out there realizing the truth. That is why the pharmaceutical industry is fighting so hard. It's all push back.
I am a librarian. All I am is factual information. You are posting pseudoscience and propaganda. You said literally no vaccine trials have used the “gold standard” and I found two examples within minutes out of thousands. Peer reviewed, scientific studies. You posted that doctors who don’t agree with the vaccine schedule wind up dead. You have sources for that? You posted that children will be able to get Gardasil without consent when neither bill you posted states that.
Don’t talk to me about information. I know information.
You might know information, but don't know how to read. Both assembly and senate bills say :
2019-2020 Legislative Session
Provides treatment for sexually transmitted diseases to minors without a parent's or guardian's consent. Cut and pasted directly from their website.
I can read fine and have already stated my stance on this. What’s your point?
You said the bill I linked didn't say without a parent's consent. It does. Clearly.
I never said that. I was referring to your post regarding gold standards and dead doctors. I was referring to your earlier posts. I was stating that the bill you posted did not scare me as much as what you were posting.
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
Posted by heynow
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by heynow
Posted by MichLiz213
Posted by heynow
Posted by MichLiz213
Posted by heynow
Assembly Bill A973
2019-2020 Legislative Session
Provides treatment for sexually transmitted diseases to minors without a parent's or guardian's consent
This doesn't scare you??
The misinformation that you have been throwing around as gospel on this thread scares me.
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2019/A973
I’m not talking about this. I’m talking about all of the other information you have posted. This bill doesn’t scare me. I am in agreement with LuckyStar on this. I would rather see a teenager be able to seek treatment than not.
It's not "seek treatment". It's giving your child a medical procedure without your knowledge or consent. If you are ok with that, then don't call your senator or assembly person.
I don’t understand what you mean. Do you think they should be able to seek out the treatment and then not receive it without parental consent?
A school nurse or other medical professional could give this to your child. They don't have to get your permission, not do they have to inform you they did it. This is not about pro or antivaccine, this is the government way overstepping. This is a bill for minors. Under 18, and since it's approved and recommended from 9 and up, that means your 9 year old could be given a vaccine and you not even know. You are ok with that?? God forbid they have an adverse reaction? Since when does the government administer medical treatment (barring emergency situations) without parental consent? I'm baffled that anyone could think this is ok, regardless of one's views on vaccines.
I meant the STI treatment.
Where in the bill regarding gardasil does it say this will be done without parental consent? It says they would like to give it in school so it is made available to all children, including those who would not normally receive due to gaps in care
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
Posted by MichLiz213
Posted by heynow
Posted by MichLiz213
Posted by heynow
Posted by MichLiz213
Posted by heynow
Posted by MichLiz213
Posted by heynow
Posted by MichLiz213
Posted by heynow
Assembly Bill A973
2019-2020 Legislative Session
Provides treatment for sexually transmitted diseases to minors without a parent's or guardian's consent
This doesn't scare you??
The misinformation that you have been throwing around as gospel on this thread scares me.
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2019/A973
I’m not talking about this. I’m talking about all of the other information you have posted. This bill doesn’t scare me. I am in agreement with LuckyStar on this. I would rather see a teenager be able to seek treatment than not.
It's not "seek treatment". It's giving your child a medical procedure without your knowledge or consent. If you are ok with that, then don't call your senator or assembly person.
I'm not saying gospel, but there is a lot more info out there. That's all I'm saying. The media lets you hear what they want you to hear. Just an FYI, almost every "anti-vaxxer" was a pro vaxxer at one point, myself included. Usually a vaccine injury in themselves, a child, friend or family member is what prompts the deeper delving into the true information of vaccine safety and efficacy. every person I know who has been through this wishes they did more research before they made decisions about vaccines. I know a whole lot of regrets. And there are more and more people out there realizing the truth. That is why the pharmaceutical industry is fighting so hard. It's all push back.
I am a librarian. All I am is factual information. You are posting pseudoscience and propaganda. You said literally no vaccine trials have used the “gold standard” and I found two examples within minutes out of thousands. Peer reviewed, scientific studies. You posted that doctors who don’t agree with the vaccine schedule wind up dead. You have sources for that? You posted that children will be able to get Gardasil without consent when neither bill you posted states that.
Don’t talk to me about information. I know information.
You might know information, but don't know how to read. Both assembly and senate bills say :
2019-2020 Legislative Session
Provides treatment for sexually transmitted diseases to minors without a parent's or guardian's consent. Cut and pasted directly from their website.
I can read fine and have already stated my stance on this. What’s your point?
You said the bill I linked didn't say without a parent's consent. It does. Clearly.
I never said that. I was referring to your post regarding gold standards and dead doctors. I was referring to your earlier posts. I was stating that the bill you posted did not scare me as much as what you were posting.
Yeah, I glossed over the dead doctors. I was more concerned about her wanting to round up a bunch of kids, shoot half of them up with a vaccine and half of them up with nothing and not tell anyone who got what. Cause that’s the “gold standard.” I don’t know whose reaction I would be more amused by- the anti-vaxxer or the pro-vaxxer, upon being given a consent form saying their child has a 50/50 shot of being vaccinated.
Anyway, please send more info on the dead doctors.
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
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I think a HUGE factor in all of this is the word "research". There is a huge difference between real research (gathering samples, data, testing it, re-testing it, etc etc) and surfing the web for information. Where does this "information" come from? Is it a scientific study published in JAMA or is it on a blog?
I think this is my biggest issue where parents are claiming that they can advocate for their children and have the right to make decisions etc . Remember that the job of our government's elected officials is to promote the general welfare of their constituents. For that, they turn to the experts to help show them how.
Are you aware of how many lobbyists Pharma has?
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
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Clinical trial results for prevnar:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22045904/
Clinical trial results for MMR:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1173183/
Clinics trial results for Gardasil and Cervarix (summary):
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4636904/
Peer reviewed article on herd immunity:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMsa0806477?url_ver=Z39.88-2003&rfr_id=ori%3Arid%3Acrossref.org&rfr_dat=cr_pub%3Dwww.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Adult vaccines (off topic, but worth noting):
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4486398/
Not one is done to the gold standard of medical trials. Not one against a true placebo. Vaccines are tested against prior versions. So as long as there are "no more adverse events" as compared to the prior version, it's considered "safe".
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
I used to think like most people on here, until my daughter had a very bad allergic reaction to one of her shots. It was terrifying and let me to do extensive research of my own. I read research on pubmed and papers written by people on both sides. My husband is an expert in study design and statistics so he taught me how to interpret data. Anyway , there are several things that I find deeply concerning. 1. The gold standard for safety testing is a double blind placebo study. The placebo is supposed to be an inert saline solution / sugar water. This is not the case with vaccines. The placebo is another vaccine. So when they are saying it is safe they aren’t comparing one group who got nothing vs one group who got the vaccine. There are some studies that use ah inert placebo but they are few and far between. 2. In many safety testing studies the amount of time in which test subjects are monitored for reactions is 4 days. Some adverse affects come later. If you have a serious reaction on day 6, the reaction didn’t happen. 3. Synergistic toxicity. Science is recognizing that two or more medications taken in tandem have different effects on the body than one. In fact , clinical trials to treat cancer test this theory out by combing two different types of medications experimentally. However , we do not have safety studies that seek to answer this question : what are the short term / long term effects of ALL the vaccines taken together on the human body? 4. We don’t have long term studies of large enough sample sizes of vaccinated vs unvaccinated populations and the frequency of developmental disorders , allergies , autoimmune disorders etc etc . The study is considered unethical because you’d be denying one group the vaccine, however , without it we are missing a major data point. Also , understand that many people you label anti vaccine vaccinated their kids and their kids had severe reactions. Finally , per autism : very few families I’ve spoken to the in the vaccine injured community thinks their kid got a shot and woke up autistic. What you commonly hear is that the child had an adverse neurological event shortly after getting the vaccine ( ie seizires or an extremely high fever that went on for days ) and when this event ended the child had major behavioral differences that look like someone on the spectrum. The bottom line is that this is an extremely complex topic and not the open and shut case that media wants to paint. So , no I don’t think the government has any right to dictate what I or my child should put in his or her body . My body my choice and where there is risk there must be choice.
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