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Re: Fauci
Posted by Hofstra26
Masks in some other countries are a cultural norm and if that is how you're raised and it's all you know then a mask isn't a big deal. But for kids in America who have never had that restriction, it's not so easy. Any parent, especially those with young kids like myself, should recognize that getting a kid to wear a mask for HOURS on end is just not practical. It's not going to work, especially the younger the kids are.
So I hear you saying, it could become a cultural norm here in America if necessary. Then wearing a mask won't be a "big deal". I don't understand how you are saying it is okay for other cultures to raise their kids that way and it be practical for them, but for some reason not for families here.
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Re: Fauci
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Healthcare workers wear masks all day.
I don’t know, if my options are school with mask or no school, I’m voting mask.
Thank you. That was exactly my point. I hear everyone saying that their kids have to go back to school in the fall and they do not want under any circumstance for their to be distance learning again. Well masks are the only solution for that and commonly used in many other countries - for yes even elementary school children. People seem so entitled for the 'normal' sometimes but then don't want to make any sacrifices until they are pushed up against the wall.
Listen they can make them wear masks if that makes them feel better, but I'm just saying- unless a teacher can be on top of 25 kids all at once, all day long, it won't be very effective.
Kids Touching them, adjusting them, taking them off, etc
Then lunch. Then snacks.
Then they have to take them off to drink water- and my DD drinks water all day long.
Then the kids with sensory issues who will be throwing fits and tantrums with them on
It sounds good on paper- the practice isn't going to be so easy.
But yeah, if she can go back to school- i'll send her with a mask. What happens after that... who knows
What will happen is the parents will get emails about their kids not wearing masks, losing masks, forgetting to put them back on and it’s going to be our fault like we have control over the situation.
I yell at my son everyday to put his mask on before he leaves the house to walk the dog. Mind you this kid walks the dog like 3x a day and still forgets. He loses them despite me telling him to put it in his jacket pocket. 
Can you imagine him in school? Kid can’t even remember to bring a math book from one class to the other. Good luck with him at school!!!
And the teacher emailing you also has no control over the situation either! When does your responsibility happen? You want a teacher to teach, watch every kid wash their hands multiple times a day, make sure they don’t put things in their mouth, stay socially distant and keep a mask on.
And what will parents do if school is part time? That going to be on each person to figure it out unfortunately. Some will hire babysitters, some will leave kids with neighbors or family. Who knows? If we had answers we would all be on the damn task force figuring it out. I just think it’s crazy to think that September will be normal as it usually is. We are in a new normal and we either figure it out and adapt to it or we don’t.
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Re: Fauci
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It’s not entitled, it’s called being realistic. Hello! You think kids are going to be able to wear masks all day, and that’s exactly what teachers need another thing to yell at their students about. It’s also known to make people light headed and dizzy when worn for extended periods of time, something else to think about.
Teachers will have to worry about hand washing, social distancing, Cleaning, Mask and oh yes can you please also educate my kid properly. If anything that sounds entitled. I rather the buildings be clean and hand washing/sanitizing be enforced than add masks that probably won’t be as effective with kids.
No one said their kids can’t wear masks, we just aren’t being blind sheep and ARE thinking realistically. It’s ok to think outside the box sometimes.
And there is a NEED for these kids to go back school, this isn’t some entitled luxury or want. It’s vital for working parents, student development and the economy. Not some random entitled wish list item for parents.
ETA: and yet no one has answered who will watch these kids if schools don’t open!
You're misunderstanding. You think the kids NEED to go back to school but think masks are thinking inside the box and unrealistic? You seem stuck inside the box because if you are sending your child back to school - what about it is changing in your opinion that makes it different from how school was in feb or march? Are you just saying you want everyone to get sick? That the desire to have them in school, that normalcy, negates the danger of the virus? What is your non-sheep, thinking out of the box ideas then?
All I’m saying is I don’t see the masks working. I never said I wouldn’t send my son to school without a mask. But I know it will be a disaster because of his ADD he is a disorganized mess and will be touching on it every 5 seconds and not concentrating. If I compound that by multiple kids who have the same issue, seems like a logistical nightmare for schools and teachers. I think mandating masks will be a mess. Will I fight it and not send my son to school because of it, absolutely not.
And I’m not stuck, because if I was, I would be the one telling him not to wear one. Instead I’m actually taking him to stores and trying to get him used to wearing one if this is his new normal. I just don’t think it will be as easy as people claim it will be. I also think it won’t be effective because kids will be sliding it up and down on their face, forgetting it in the lunchroom etc. I feel bad for the teachers.
What about any kids who may get light headed or dizzy from it? Do we ignore that too?
And yes I am saying no to Mask because I want everyone to get sick and die. That’s my hidden motive here. I hate the entire world and think we should become extinct.
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What about the kids with special needs? Kids with sensory issues? This will not be ideal. I have a son on the spectrum, and have been practicing with him wearing a mask. It will wear it for short periods of time. He would never wear it all day.
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Re: Fauci
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Posted by Hofstra26
Masks in some other countries are a cultural norm and if that is how you're raised and it's all you know then a mask isn't a big deal. But for kids in America who have never had that restriction, it's not so easy. Any parent, especially those with young kids like myself, should recognize that getting a kid to wear a mask for HOURS on end is just not practical. It's not going to work, especially the younger the kids are.
So I hear you saying, it could become a cultural norm here in America if necessary. Then wearing a mask won't be a "big deal". I don't understand how you are saying it is okay for other cultures to raise their kids that way and it be practical for them, but for some reason not for families here.
Cultural norms don't change overnight.
Truthfully, I also have NO desire to go through my life with a mask or staying away from everyone, sorry but I don't. I feel like seeing everyone in masks and everyone standing 6 ft apart feels like we're trapped in a bad sci-fi movie. THIS IS NOT NORMAL LIFE. I want to hug people, kiss people, breathe in fresh air, be near people and live like normal. I don't want our cultural norm to feel like the apocalypse. Do you honestly?
Furthermore, I am SEVERELY claustrophobic and I really struggle to wear the mask at all. Kids with sensory issues, people with respiratory issues etc etc all will have issues as well. Can you fathom for ONE SECOND having to wear a mask on your face ALL day in the dead of summer when it's 98 degrees out? Call it entitled, call it selfish..............I don't care because I am honest enough to say this isn't living. It's misery and we'll all only surviving it because it's suppose to be short term.
Fact is, hand washing is still the number one way to go stop the transmission of germs. Not wearing a mask.
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Side Note. I cannot believe we are having this conversation after all those weeks of “experts” telling us NOT to buy masks and NOT to wear masks and that they do more harm than good and that we are all idiots.
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Re: Fauci
Posted by NicoleF219
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Healthcare workers wear masks all day.
I don’t know, if my options are school with mask or no school, I’m voting mask.
Thank you. That was exactly my point. I hear everyone saying that their kids have to go back to school in the fall and they do not want under any circumstance for their to be distance learning again. Well masks are the only solution for that and commonly used in many other countries - for yes even elementary school children. People seem so entitled for the 'normal' sometimes but then don't want to make any sacrifices until they are pushed up against the wall.
Listen they can make them wear masks if that makes them feel better, but I'm just saying- unless a teacher can be on top of 25 kids all at once, all day long, it won't be very effective.
Kids Touching them, adjusting them, taking them off, etc
Then lunch. Then snacks.
Then they have to take them off to drink water- and my DD drinks water all day long.
Then the kids with sensory issues who will be throwing fits and tantrums with them on
It sounds good on paper- the practice isn't going to be so easy.
But yeah, if she can go back to school- i'll send her with a mask. What happens after that... who knows
What will happen is the parents will get emails about their kids not wearing masks, losing masks, forgetting to put them back on and it’s going to be our fault like we have control over the situation.
I yell at my son everyday to put his mask on before he leaves the house to walk the dog. Mind you this kid walks the dog like 3x a day and still forgets. He loses them despite me telling him to put it in his jacket pocket.
Can you imagine him in school? Kid can’t even remember to bring a math book from one class to the other. Good luck with him at school!!!
And the teacher emailing you also has no control over the situation either! When does your responsibility happen? You want a teacher to teach, watch every kid wash their hands multiple times a day, make sure they don’t put things in their mouth, stay socially distant and keep a mask on.
No I don’t want teachers to have to do that which is exactly my point. I don’t think teachers should have to bare all that responsibility, it’s too much.
It doesn’t matter how much responsibility I take, my son will do what he wants in school. There are kids who live in the moment and punishing them or disciplining them at home is not effective when the incident occurred at school.
Like I said several times and even in the “Kids in stores” thread, I’ve been working on it for weeks for him to get used to masks and remembering them. But I know wearing it all day at school is going to be a challenge. I think it will fall on the teachers and it isn’t a realistic plan. Sorry.
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Re: Fauci
Posted by ChilisWife
Side Note. I cannot believe we are having this conversation after all those weeks of “experts” telling us NOT to buy masks and NOT to wear masks and that they do more harm than good and that we are all idiots.
Right?? I wouldn't be surprised if they shoot back AGAIN and say, masks weren't as necessary as they thought and it's optional if it makes you feel more comfortable.
Every day is a new threat, new "fact", new rule, new everything. I am struggling to get through this at this point, it's starting to feel REALLY overwhelming. 
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Posted by ChilisWife
Side Note. I cannot believe we are having this conversation after all those weeks of “experts” telling us NOT to buy masks and NOT to wear masks and that they do more harm than good and that we are all idiots.
I think we are all Idiots for having the same conversations over and over. It’s the true definition of insanity. 
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To be fair, I think we are all totally insane right now from being caged up for weeks!!
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Re: Fauci
Posted by Hofstra26
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Posted by Hofstra26
Masks in some other countries are a cultural norm and if that is how you're raised and it's all you know then a mask isn't a big deal. But for kids in America who have never had that restriction, it's not so easy. Any parent, especially those with young kids like myself, should recognize that getting a kid to wear a mask for HOURS on end is just not practical. It's not going to work, especially the younger the kids are.
So I hear you saying, it could become a cultural norm here in America if necessary. Then wearing a mask won't be a "big deal". I don't understand how you are saying it is okay for other cultures to raise their kids that way and it be practical for them, but for some reason not for families here.
Cultural norms don't change overnight.
Truthfully, I also have NO desire to go through my life with a mask or staying away from everyone, sorry but I don't. I feel like seeing everyone in masks and everyone standing 6 ft apart feels like we're trapped in a bad sci-fi movie. THIS IS NOT NORMAL LIFE. I want to hug people, kiss people, breathe in fresh air, be near people and live like normal. I don't want our cultural norm to feel like the apocalypse. Do you honestly?
Furthermore, I am SEVERELY claustrophobic and I really struggle to wear the mask at all. Kids with sensory issues, people with respiratory issues etc etc all will have issues as well. Can you fathom for ONE SECOND having to wear a mask on your face ALL day in the dead of summer when it's 98 degrees out? Call it entitled, call it selfish..............I don't care because I am honest enough to say this isn't living. It's misery and we'll all only surviving it because it's suppose to be short term.
Fact is, hand washing is still the number one way to go stop the transmission of germs. Not wearing a mask.
Could not agree with this more! 
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What about the kids with special needs? Kids with sensory issues? This will not be ideal. I have a son on the spectrum, and have been practicing with him wearing a mask. It will wear it for short periods of time. He would never wear it all day.
Exactly, that’s my son.
But I guess there’s no such thing, everyone has proper kids who can wear masks all day with no problem. And if your kid can’t wear one than you’re the problem and it should be your responsibility.
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Is anyone addressing what they feel we are supposed to do with the kids when people return to work? How would any kind of rotating schedule work for people? If you have to leave the house for work or you have a rotating schedule yourself? It’s crazy. I feel this is starting to create a rift between the people who have the ability to work from home and the more blue collar that can not.
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Re: Fauci
Posted by Hofstra26
To be fair, I think we are all totally insane right now from being caged up for weeks!!
Yes!! I agree. When I was typing that - I was like WE all need air ASAP! I think I’m going to go for a walk today lol.
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Re: Fauci
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To be fair, I think we are all totally insane right now from being caged up for weeks!!
Yes!! I agree. When I was typing that - I was like WE all need air ASAP! I think I’m going to go for a walk today lol.
LOL For sure! I think I will do the same!! 
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Posted by JessT
Is anyone addressing what they feel we are supposed to do with the kids when people return to work? How would any kind of rotating schedule work for people? If you have to leave the house for work or you have a rotating schedule yourself? It’s crazy. I feel this is starting to create a rift between the people who have the ability to work from home and the more blue collar that can not.
I believe Sash was asking that question but nobody (those that still want to stay all cozy at home without ever leaving and everyone else to do the same) dare to answer.
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Posted by soontobemommyof2
I was reading the same. I feel Cuomo and Newsom are having a pissing match! Supposedly he won’t be allowing ppl in the beach if they’re not doing an actual acitivity like swimming, running, etc. Meanwhile he’s considering letting restaurants offer outside seating for their customers?!? So much doesn’t make sense!
This policy is actually based on scientific studies that show only 2 out of 1245 transmission events occurred outdoors, and that 1 outdoor transmission occurred between 2 people who had a conversation. So if you are outside doing an activity, you are less likely to be standing face to face to a potential infected person who will transmit the virus. If you are also just walking outside or sitting in a restaurant practicing social distancing, less chance of infection.
The real problem is when people are indoors as 80% of transmission events occurred inside homes, transport spaces (trains/bus/planes) and office buildings.
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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.04.20053058v1.full.pdf+html
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Re: Fauci
Posted by JessT
Is anyone addressing what they feel we are supposed to do with the kids when people return to work? How would any kind of rotating schedule work for people? If you have to leave the house for work or you have a rotating schedule yourself? It’s crazy. I feel this is starting to create a rift between the people who have the ability to work from home and the more blue collar that can not.
I think the people who feel like schools should be half days/every other day, or just still be all online come September, are the same people who just want the economy shut down that long. I think everyone knows a fully functioning economy can never happen without children in school full time.
Someone on this board said she would be ok with the lockdown lasting 18 months, if necessary. Some people are extremists, and have the luxury of being able to sit in their houses for 18 months, work from home & get a paycheck, kids who thrive in the home learning environment, and have no mental health issues that will make them suicidal pretty soon.
Thing is, the world will be collapsing around them, but as long as nobody gets Covid-19, nothing else really matters.
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People are going to need to get babysitters or work with family and neighbors to watch their kids I guess. Everyone will have to figure out childcare just like they did before kids were of school age.
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Re: Fauci
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by JessT
Is anyone addressing what they feel we are supposed to do with the kids when people return to work? How would any kind of rotating schedule work for people? If you have to leave the house for work or you have a rotating schedule yourself? It’s crazy. I feel this is starting to create a rift between the people who have the ability to work from home and the more blue collar that can not.
I think the people who feel like schools should be half days/every other day, or just still be all online come September, are the same people who just want the economy shut down that long. I think everyone knows a fully functioning economy can never happen without children in school full time.
Someone on this board said she would be ok with the lockdown lasting 18 months, if necessary. Some people are extremists, and have the luxury of being able to sit in their houses for 18 months, work from home & get a paycheck, kids who thrive in the home learning environment, and have no mental health issues that will make them suicidal pretty soon.
Thing is, the world will be collapsing around them, but as long as nobody gets Covid-19, nothing else really matters.
Yes exactly. The hard truth that people refuse to accept is that many people are going to get the virus no matter what we do. And some will die. Yes. That is a fact. Even with a magical vaccine, people will get the virus. We cannot ever prevent that no matter how tightly we chain ourselves under our beds.
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Posted by NicoleF219
People are going to need to get babysitters or work with family and neighbors to watch their kids I guess. Everyone will have to figure out childcare just like they did before kids were of school age.
Except in this case, you'd expect those caretakers to not only watch your kids but educate them. This is a very different situation, you'd be asking a lot more from people. This is exactly why the country needs to get back on track.
I truly feel for working parents, this is an impossible situation. 
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Re: Fauci
Posted by NicoleF219
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Posted by NervousNell
Posted by BaysideForever
Posted by LuckyStar
Healthcare workers wear masks all day.
I don’t know, if my options are school with mask or no school, I’m voting mask.
Thank you. That was exactly my point. I hear everyone saying that their kids have to go back to school in the fall and they do not want under any circumstance for their to be distance learning again. Well masks are the only solution for that and commonly used in many other countries - for yes even elementary school children. People seem so entitled for the 'normal' sometimes but then don't want to make any sacrifices until they are pushed up against the wall.
Listen they can make them wear masks if that makes them feel better, but I'm just saying- unless a teacher can be on top of 25 kids all at once, all day long, it won't be very effective.
Kids Touching them, adjusting them, taking them off, etc
Then lunch. Then snacks.
Then they have to take them off to drink water- and my DD drinks water all day long.
Then the kids with sensory issues who will be throwing fits and tantrums with them on
It sounds good on paper- the practice isn't going to be so easy.
But yeah, if she can go back to school- i'll send her with a mask. What happens after that... who knows
What will happen is the parents will get emails about their kids not wearing masks, losing masks, forgetting to put them back on and it’s going to be our fault like we have control over the situation.
I yell at my son everyday to put his mask on before he leaves the house to walk the dog. Mind you this kid walks the dog like 3x a day and still forgets. He loses them despite me telling him to put it in his jacket pocket.
Can you imagine him in school? Kid can’t even remember to bring a math book from one class to the other. Good luck with him at school!!!
And the teacher emailing you also has no control over the situation either! When does your responsibility happen? You want a teacher to teach, watch every kid wash their hands multiple times a day, make sure they don’t put things in their mouth, stay socially distant and keep a mask on.
And what will parents do if school is part time? That going to be on each person to figure it out unfortunately. Some will hire babysitters, some will leave kids with neighbors or family. Who knows? If we had answers we would all be on the damn task force figuring it out. I just think it’s crazy to think that September will be normal as it usually is. We are in a new normal and we either figure it out and adapt to it or we don’t.
I agree. This is a new normal. You are just going to have to get used to it somehow. Things will NEVER go back to the way they were. It's the same way we had to change after 9/11.
And it sucks. It really does. I have my moments, too. But in order to survive, I have to remember that everybody else is going through this, too. I'll have to change my habits. Yes, every situation is different, but our whole lives have been uprooted. I guess acceptance is just going to happen to people at different times. But it will never return to the way it was.
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Posted by NicoleF219
People are going to need to get babysitters or work with family and neighbors to watch their kids I guess. Everyone will have to figure out childcare just like they did before kids were of school age.
Most children I know go to daycare before they're school age. Daycares don't take school age children. Tons of them aren't open anyway, for children of any age.
What do you propose people who cannot afford full time babysitters do? Public school is free. I would guess most parents of school age children don't have an emergency "pay a babysitter because public education has been halted" fund.
Your flagrant disregard for working parents is precisely why so many parents have a problem with teachers.
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Posted by NicoleF219
People are going to need to get babysitters or work with family and neighbors to watch their kids I guess. Everyone will have to figure out childcare just like they did before kids were of school age.
It’s easier to find someone to watch your little kids all day. It’s hard to find someone to watch your kid half day and have to pick them up from school. Trust me. It’s the reason why I use aftercare and work remote on days he has half day with no aftercare. It’s not easy to find someone who can pick your kid up in the middle of the day, and it also has to be someone not only you trust driving your kid but actually has a car to pick them up.
And not everyone has family that can help. I certainly don’t.
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I wonder if the schools will offer some kind of childcare (for a fee of course) for the off days/hours the kids are not in the classroom. Or maybe daycares will allow older kids. I am a working parent so I will be in this predicament myself. I was really looking forward to no longer having a daycare bill but I guess we will continue to have that expense in addition to paying school taxes.
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