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BargainMama
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Re: Ban of immigrants
Posted by ElizaRags35
Posted by Serendipity
Posted by Diane
Posted by Serendipity
Posted by stinger
Posted by MandJZ
This is from an immigration forum:
" The following has now been CONFIRMED and OFFICIALLY signed by President Trump. Here are highlights -
Immigrant and non-immigrants from Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Sudan, Iran, Libya, and Somalia will be banned from entering the United States for 90 days starting today.
The Secretary of Homeland Security will review "security procedures" in ALL countries to see if they provide enough information to adjudicate a visa application. Countries which DO not provide enough information will have 60 days to begin providing such information. If at that time they do NOT provide enough information, these countries will be added to the ban list (i.e., immigrants and non-immigrants from this country will not be allowed into the United States).
The Secretary of State along with the FBI director and Secretary of Homeland Security have to implement a NEW screening program for ALL visa applications. This NEW screening program must include - an in-person interview, a database to make sure that duplicated documents aren't provided, NEW forms to weed out frauds, as well as make sure that the applicant will be a contributing member of American society, and make sure that the applicant isn't a terrorist.
What does this all mean for IR1/CR1 and K1 applicants?
If you are a citizen of Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Sudan, Iran, Libya, and Somalia:
Regardless of whatever visa you might have (IR1, CR1, K1, B2), you will not be allowed to enter the United States for the next 90 days. What does this mean for existing visa applications? Hard to say, but it seems very likely that they will be held up or delayed.
If you are from another country:
Within 30 days a new list of "problem" countries may be released. These countries will be ones which were found not to provide "sufficient" information (whatever the hell that means) to adjudicate a visa petition. Such countries will have 60 days to "fix" these problems and if they don't they will also join the banned list.
On top of all this a new screening program has been ordered to start. It's hard to say what exactly it will mean for existing applications or even when/if it may be implemented (a lot of what's being asked for seems to already exist). But this NEW screening program will apply to people of ALL countries (whatever it is and whenever it may start). "
How does he sign these orders so quickly? I thought that people said don't worry the president doesn't have that much power. And my question is why and what is he basing this all on?
Or should I just not try to make sense of it?
Presidents signing EOs quickly isn't anything new. Historically EOs were used for basic administration transition tasks (commission being set up etc) But trump is NOT the first president to expand the EOs to wider areas-
How come people forget that when Obama took office within 2 days he signed multiple orders. One of them being:
Executive Order 13492: Review and Disposition of Individuals Detained at the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base and Close of Detention Facilities
People forget......how about when Bill Clinton made a speech to tighten borders and illegals coming in. He gets a standing ovation, but if Trump says it, he gets called racist.
Yes. Why is it EVERYONE forgets!
Or that in 2011 Obama QUIETLY suspended the refugee program for 6 months BC of terrorism fears. Interesting right? Oh the hypocrisy!
and I CAPPED the word "quietly" bc our former president was famous for doing things on the sly! Didn't he sign a lot of EOs at night.....wasn't OBAMA care passed on Christmas EVE? Always thought his choice of time for major change was interesting!
Are you people this frickin stupid?? THEY ARE NOT LETTING PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIVED IN THIS COUNTRY FOR YEARS WHO HAVE VISAS AND GREEN CARDS. THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT REFUGEES. JESUS FLUCKING CHRIST.
Why don't you people just go back to your bubbles.
Exactly. Why aren't people getting this? 
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ElizaRags35
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Re: Ban of immigrants
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by ElizaRags35
Posted by Serendipity
Posted by Diane
Posted by Serendipity
Posted by stinger
Posted by MandJZ
This is from an immigration forum:
" The following has now been CONFIRMED and OFFICIALLY signed by President Trump. Here are highlights -
Immigrant and non-immigrants from Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Sudan, Iran, Libya, and Somalia will be banned from entering the United States for 90 days starting today.
The Secretary of Homeland Security will review "security procedures" in ALL countries to see if they provide enough information to adjudicate a visa application. Countries which DO not provide enough information will have 60 days to begin providing such information. If at that time they do NOT provide enough information, these countries will be added to the ban list (i.e., immigrants and non-immigrants from this country will not be allowed into the United States).
The Secretary of State along with the FBI director and Secretary of Homeland Security have to implement a NEW screening program for ALL visa applications. This NEW screening program must include - an in-person interview, a database to make sure that duplicated documents aren't provided, NEW forms to weed out frauds, as well as make sure that the applicant will be a contributing member of American society, and make sure that the applicant isn't a terrorist.
What does this all mean for IR1/CR1 and K1 applicants?
If you are a citizen of Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Sudan, Iran, Libya, and Somalia:
Regardless of whatever visa you might have (IR1, CR1, K1, B2), you will not be allowed to enter the United States for the next 90 days. What does this mean for existing visa applications? Hard to say, but it seems very likely that they will be held up or delayed.
If you are from another country:
Within 30 days a new list of "problem" countries may be released. These countries will be ones which were found not to provide "sufficient" information (whatever the hell that means) to adjudicate a visa petition. Such countries will have 60 days to "fix" these problems and if they don't they will also join the banned list.
On top of all this a new screening program has been ordered to start. It's hard to say what exactly it will mean for existing applications or even when/if it may be implemented (a lot of what's being asked for seems to already exist). But this NEW screening program will apply to people of ALL countries (whatever it is and whenever it may start). "
How does he sign these orders so quickly? I thought that people said don't worry the president doesn't have that much power. And my question is why and what is he basing this all on?
Or should I just not try to make sense of it?
Presidents signing EOs quickly isn't anything new. Historically EOs were used for basic administration transition tasks (commission being set up etc) But trump is NOT the first president to expand the EOs to wider areas-
How come people forget that when Obama took office within 2 days he signed multiple orders. One of them being:
Executive Order 13492: Review and Disposition of Individuals Detained at the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base and Close of Detention Facilities
People forget......how about when Bill Clinton made a speech to tighten borders and illegals coming in. He gets a standing ovation, but if Trump says it, he gets called racist.
Yes. Why is it EVERYONE forgets!
Or that in 2011 Obama QUIETLY suspended the refugee program for 6 months BC of terrorism fears. Interesting right? Oh the hypocrisy!
and I CAPPED the word "quietly" bc our former president was famous for doing things on the sly! Didn't he sign a lot of EOs at night.....wasn't OBAMA care passed on Christmas EVE? Always thought his choice of time for major change was interesting!
Are you people this frickin stupid?? THEY ARE NOT LETTING PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIVED IN THIS COUNTRY FOR YEARS WHO HAVE VISAS AND GREEN CARDS. THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT REFUGEES. JESUS FLUCKING CHRIST.
Why don't you people just go back to your bubbles.
Exactly. Why aren't people getting this?
Because they're ignorant.
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| Posted 1/29/17 1:33 PM |
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Serendipity
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Ban of immigrants
But they are Letting green card holders in! Im not ignorant and stop throwing that word around every time someone isn't agreeing with everything you say
I said before I DID NOT agree with the green card policy, and I was clear about that. Now who is being ignorant!
Message edited 1/29/2017 1:46:22 PM.
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| Posted 1/29/17 1:44 PM |
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ElizaRags35
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Re: Ban of immigrants
Posted by Serendipity
But they are Letting green card holders in! Im not ignorant and stop throwing that word around every time someone isn't agreeing with everything you say
I said before I DID NOT agree with the green card policy, and I was clear about that. Now who is being ignorant!
Actually in many airports they're not being let in. In fact, they're trying to reroute a lot of these visa and green card holders to Boston because they're actually complying with the judge's orders.
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Diane
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Re: Ban of immigrants
Here we go with the ignorant, stupid, uneducated insults...sticks and stones baby!!!
So classy
I dont agree if they do have a green card, they should be allowed to come back. So there IS something we agree on.
We dont call you names because of your beliefs... I guess I better go back to my bubble
Message edited 1/29/2017 1:57:57 PM.
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Serendipity
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Re: Ban of immigrants
Posted by Diane
Here we go with the ignorant, stupid, uneducated insults...sticks and stones baby!!!
So classy
I dont agree if they do have a green card, they should be allowed to come back. So there IS something we agree on.
We dont call you names because of your beliefs... I guess I better go back to my bubble
Exactly how many times do I need to repeat myself...I don't agree with the green card thing. But im the ignorant one.
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| Posted 1/29/17 1:59 PM |
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mrsrainbow
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Re: Ban of immigrants
Posted by Diane
Here we go with the ignorant, stupid, uneducated insults...sticks and stones baby!!!
So classy
I dont agree if they do have a green card, they should be allowed to come back. So there IS something we agree on.
We dont call you names because of your beliefs... I guess I better go back to my bubble
I feel stupider every time I read your posts. You contribute nothing. Someone told me you're a teacher. I'm disappointed to know that if it's true.
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Re: Ban of immigrants
Posted by ElizaRags35
Posted by Serendipity
But they are Letting green card holders in! Im not ignorant and stop throwing that word around every time someone isn't agreeing with everything you say
I said before I DID NOT agree with the green card policy, and I was clear about that. Now who is being ignorant!
Actually in many airports they're not being let in. In fact, they're trying to reroute a lot of these visa and green card holders to Boston because they're actually complying with the judge's orders.
Honestly don't even bother. It'll go in circles. I'm so over the blatant ignorance and mentality of everything is fine.
McCain and Graham are horrified at this. That says something.
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Diane
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Re: Ban of immigrants
Posted by mrsrainbow
Posted by Diane
Here we go with the ignorant, stupid, uneducated insults...sticks and stones baby!!!
So classy
I dont agree if they do have a green card, they should be allowed to come back. So there IS something we agree on.
We dont call you names because of your beliefs... I guess I better go back to my bubble
I feel stupider every time I read your posts. You contribute nothing. Someone told me you're a teacher. I'm disappointed to know that if it's true.
You mean more stupid??
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Chai77
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Re: Ban of immigrants
Posted by Diane
Here we go with the ignorant, stupid, uneducated insults...sticks and stones baby!!!
So classy
I dont agree if they do have a green card, they should be allowed to come back. So there IS something we agree on.
We dont call you names because of your beliefs... I guess I better go back to my bubble
Actually people have and do call us names, us "special snowflakes" and "bleeding hearts". I don't know if you personally have, nor do I really care.
You think banning people from an entire group of countries based on their religion is ok (bc we are giving priority to christians), then yes- you are ignorant and you are a xenophobic racist. Your "beliefs" are shitting all over an entire group of people's civil rights. I won't apologize so don't bother with your outrage. I won't be listening and I'm not sorry.
If it was your immigrant relatives being banned bc of some bad apples, would it still be ok?
They could be coming for you next. Think about it.
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ElizaRags35
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Re: Ban of immigrants
Posted by Chai77
Posted by Diane
Here we go with the ignorant, stupid, uneducated insults...sticks and stones baby!!!
So classy
I dont agree if they do have a green card, they should be allowed to come back. So there IS something we agree on.
We dont call you names because of your beliefs... I guess I better go back to my bubble
Actually people have and do call us names, us "special snowflakes" and "bleeding hearts". I don't know if you personally have, nor do I really care.
You think banning people from an entire group of countries based on their religion is ok (bc we are giving priority to christians), then yes- you are ignorant and you are a xenophobic racist. Your "beliefs" are shitting all over an entire group of people's civil rights. I won't apologize so don't bother with your outrage. I won't be listening and I'm not sorry.
If it was your immigrant relatives being banned bc of some bad apples, would it still be ok?
They could be coming for you next. Think about it.
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BargainMama
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Re: Ban of immigrants
Posted by Chai77
Posted by Diane
Here we go with the ignorant, stupid, uneducated insults...sticks and stones baby!!!
So classy
I dont agree if they do have a green card, they should be allowed to come back. So there IS something we agree on.
We dont call you names because of your beliefs... I guess I better go back to my bubble
Actually people have and do call us names, us "special snowflakes" and "bleeding hearts". I don't know if you personally have, nor do I really care.
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Oh my gosh, yes! I see soooo many more vile and crude comments from the DT supporters than anyone else to be honest. Not on this board, but everywhere else! Even in my own community.
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| Posted 1/29/17 2:35 PM |
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Diane
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Re: Ban of immigrants
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by Chai77
Posted by Diane
Here we go with the ignorant, stupid, uneducated insults...sticks and stones baby!!!
So classy
I dont agree if they do have a green card, they should be allowed to come back. So there IS something we agree on.
We dont call you names because of your beliefs... I guess I better go back to my bubble
Actually people have and do call us names, us "special snowflakes" and "bleeding hearts". I don't know if you personally have, nor do I really care.
.
Oh my gosh, yes! I see soooo many more vile and crude comments from the DT supporters than anyone else to be honest. Not on this board, but everywhere else! Even in my own community.
when have I EVER made a rude comment to anyone about who they support??
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| Posted 1/29/17 2:38 PM |
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BargainMama
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Re: Ban of immigrants
Posted by Diane
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by Chai77
Posted by Diane
Here we go with the ignorant, stupid, uneducated insults...sticks and stones baby!!!
So classy
I dont agree if they do have a green card, they should be allowed to come back. So there IS something we agree on.
We dont call you names because of your beliefs... I guess I better go back to my bubble
Actually people have and do call us names, us "special snowflakes" and "bleeding hearts". I don't know if you personally have, nor do I really care.
.
Oh my gosh, yes! I see soooo many more vile and crude comments from the DT supporters than anyone else to be honest. Not on this board, but everywhere else! Even in my own community.
when have I EVER made a rude comment to anyone about who they support??
Did you read my post?
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klingklang77
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Re: Ban of immigrants
Posted by Diane
Posted by mrsrainbow
Posted by Diane
Here we go with the ignorant, stupid, uneducated insults...sticks and stones baby!!!
So classy
I dont agree if they do have a green card, they should be allowed to come back. So there IS something we agree on.
We dont call you names because of your beliefs... I guess I better go back to my bubble
I feel stupider every time I read your posts. You contribute nothing. Someone told me you're a teacher. I'm disappointed to know that if it's true.
You mean more stupid??
Oh here we go with the grammar insults.
One can say 'stupider' or 'more stupid' as a comparative adjective for 'stupid.'
Even though it doesn't fit the comparative grammar rule (do you even know the rule?) pattern, stupid is an exception to this rule.
It's in major dictionaries; it exists.
-- signed your resident grammarian (it's literally my job).
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Diane
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Re: Ban of immigrants
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by Diane
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by Chai77
Posted by Diane
Here we go with the ignorant, stupid, uneducated insults...sticks and stones baby!!!
So classy
I dont agree if they do have a green card, they should be allowed to come back. So there IS something we agree on.
We dont call you names because of your beliefs... I guess I better go back to my bubble
Actually people have and do call us names, us "special snowflakes" and "bleeding hearts". I don't know if you personally have, nor do I really care.
.
Oh my gosh, yes! I see soooo many more vile and crude comments from the DT supporters than anyone else to be honest. Not on this board, but everywhere else! Even in my own community.
when have I EVER made a rude comment to anyone about who they support??
Did you read my post?
sorry...I quoted the wrong person
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