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Re: Biden's 1.9 Trillion Dollar Plan
Posted by Diane
Can we stop quoting everyone's post? It is annoying trying to read all the comments, and scrolling. Just quote the comment you are commenting on. If that makes sense.
Agreed and I am guilty too.
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Re: Biden's 1.9 Trillion Dollar Plan
Posted by Straightarrow
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My only concern at this juncture is the min wage should be $20 an hour.
Are you serious?
Minimum wage jobs were not meant to be “careers”. We need to focus on how to get employees in minimum wage jobs the education or skills they need to get a career. Not a “job”
Sorry, but the kid bagging my groceries doesn’t deserve $20 an hour. The adult bagging my groceries deserves access to skills and knowledge to get them moved up to either a management position in their minimum wage JOB or another field.
But they are careers. And people shouldn't be looked down upon because they work in a grocery store for their whole lives.
The jobs were minimum wage because they were intended for people starting out in life. If you are there for many years as an adult, you have gotten raises. I was at a grocery store one time and the cashier (who was there 20 years) said she was making $30 on overtime. Not too bad for the year as the minimum wage was so much lower back when she started working.
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| Posted 1/17/21 4:30 PM |
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Re: Biden's 1.9 Trillion Dollar Plan
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Posted by queensgal
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Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by BFNY516
My only concern at this juncture is the min wage should be $20 an hour.
Are you serious?
Minimum wage jobs were not meant to be “careers”. We need to focus on how to get employees in minimum wage jobs the education or skills they need to get a career. Not a “job”
Sorry, but the kid bagging my groceries doesn’t deserve $20 an hour. The adult bagging my groceries deserves access to skills and knowledge to get them moved up to either a management position in their minimum wage JOB or another field.
Exactly. That only will have people try to do the minimum in life and no competition for jobs. Why should someone bagging groceries made a few dollars less than myself for the amount of work and years of experience I have? Why would I bother working my butt off, going over and beyond working more hours than needed, if I could work at an entry level job and make the same?
Your comments are so ignorant. What is your logic for saying there will be no competition for jobs if we pay people (who need to stay alive in order to work) a living wage?
Your argument of wanting to prevent benefit for others because you want to maintain some predefined distance between them and you to maintain your feeling of supremacy is disgusting. Work on bettering your own life/career and don’t deny others access to basic wages, healthcare etc.
You are a white supremacist. You are the problem in America, not people seeking to work and use that work to provide for themselves. And if you say “oh no that’s not me” then realize you are aiding and abetting them and adopting their policies, which is just as bad.
What will it take to wake you up? Your very argument is what the republicans use to manipulate you into voting against your own best interests. It’s how they turn you against anyone “below” in some sort of class war. Meanwhile, they continue to exploit all of us and give the rich and corporations tax breaks. It’s sad how easily you fall into it.
Wow you can’t be serious. Why would I want a teenager living at home having no bills making a few dollars more than someone who has degree. Or someone who owns a home and has a family and bills.
You sound very previleged and no clue how people really live.
You have no respect for other people.
I feel sad that you have children. I hope they are more positively influenced by their friends and classmates so they grow up to be kinder members of society.
Do you make minimum wage? Does your husband? Not all adults make over minimum wage and it makes no sense for a teenager looking to make gas money and spending money to make the same or more than an adult who has children and a home.
Why would you feel sorry for my children? Just like myself, you work your way up in life and a teenager should not be making the same amount of money as their parents who have jobs with more responsibilities and real bills to pay. Parents who have worked 20 and 30 years.
A lot of teenagers don’t work for only “spending money and gas money.” That’s a very ignorant and privileged thing to say. I know I didn’t.
So you think they should make $15 or $20 an hour at an entry level job? You had bills at 15 and 16 to pay?
My SO did, he paid his catholic school tuition on his own in the 90's at 14. He worked in a bowling alley
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So you think they should make $15 or $20 an hour at an entry level job? You had bills at 15 and 16 to pay?
My SO did, he paid his catholic school tuition on his own in the 90's at 14. He worked in a bowling alley
Do you find this to be the norm though?
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| Posted 1/17/21 5:26 PM |
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Re: Biden's 1.9 Trillion Dollar Plan
Posted by MC09
Just wanted to add that while not everyone has the financial option or cognitive ability to go to college or manage others or "work towards becoming ceo themselves" everyone is deserving of dignity and respect. Every job serves a purpose and adds value to a functioning society. The sanitation worker, the person flipping burgers, the person scrubbing toilets, and the person with a master's degree who lost their job and is now answering phones and delivering groceries to get by deserve just as much respect as the person who pays them. Honest work is honest work. Stop looking down on people. This thread is so classist.
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| Posted 1/17/21 5:35 PM |
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Re: Biden's 1.9 Trillion Dollar Plan
Posted by valentinesbaby48
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Why would people want to work in high stressful jobs when they can be a greeter at Walmart for $20/hour? Funny as I ran to Walmart today and the woman at the door was a lovely older woman. Not sure her pay but my cashier was talking about the raise to $15 and how they get checks of $200 every other month for working through Covid. She said this is the best job as there is no stress and good money.
My cousin is a greeter at Wal-Mart. He was spit on and called a racist recently, sounds stressful to me.
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Re: Biden's 1.9 Trillion Dollar Plan
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Why would people want to work in high stressful jobs when they can be a greeter at Walmart for $20/hour? Funny as I ran to Walmart today and the woman at the door was a lovely older woman. Not sure her pay but my cashier was talking about the raise to $15 and how they get checks of $200 every other month for working through Covid. She said this is the best job as there is no stress and good money.
My cousin is a greeter at Wal-Mart. He was spit on and called a racist recently, sounds stressful to me.
That is horrible. People are disgusting but you will get that in any retail job. Sad.
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GoldenRod
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Re: Biden's 1.9 Trillion Dollar Plan
Posted by valentinesbaby48
So you think they should make $15 or $20 an hour at an entry level job? You had bills at 15 and 16 to pay?
My SO did, he paid his catholic school tuition on his own in the 90's at 14. He worked in a bowling alley
Do you find this to be the norm though?
Why are you constantly trying to put down anyone and everyone making minimum wage? Why does it matter what bills someone may or may not have? If a person is working a fair day's work, they should get a fair day's pay. It doesn't matter if they are 20 years old and paying rent with it, or 16 years old and buying video games. That's not our call.
I don't look down on anyone trying to earn (legal) money.
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Re: Biden's 1.9 Trillion Dollar Plan
Posted by valentinesbaby48
So you think they should make $15 or $20 an hour at an entry level job? You had bills at 15 and 16 to pay?
My SO did, he paid his catholic school tuition on his own in the 90's at 14. He worked in a bowling alley
Do you find this to be the norm though?
I don't think there is a "NORM". My best friend also contributed to her mother's household, and now in early 40's still does.
My SO's son has an older brother and he contributes to his mother's household. So many it is the norm.
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Re: Biden's 1.9 Trillion Dollar Plan
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Diane
Can we stop quoting everyone's post? It is annoying trying to read all the comments, and scrolling. Just quote the comment you are commenting on. If that makes sense.
Agreed and I am guilty too.
We need quotes.
That’s how threads work.
Now there is a post with random text and no indication of who said what. Or that it’s a response.
I’m not adhering to this request.
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Re: Biden's 1.9 Trillion Dollar Plan
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Straightarrow
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by BFNY516
My only concern at this juncture is the min wage should be $20 an hour.
Are you serious?
Minimum wage jobs were not meant to be “careers”. We need to focus on how to get employees in minimum wage jobs the education or skills they need to get a career. Not a “job”
Sorry, but the kid bagging my groceries doesn’t deserve $20 an hour. The adult bagging my groceries deserves access to skills and knowledge to get them moved up to either a management position in their minimum wage JOB or another field.
But they are careers. And people shouldn't be looked down upon because they work in a grocery store for their whole lives.
The jobs were minimum wage because they were intended for people starting out in life. If you are there for many years as an adult, you have gotten raises. I was at a grocery store one time and the cashier (who was there 20 years) said she was making $30 on overtime. Not too bad for the year as the minimum wage was so much lower back when she started working.
Unfortunately, that isn't the case anymore. Now minimum wage jobs are many people's primary source of income. Welcome to America. 
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GoldenRod
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Re: Biden's 1.9 Trillion Dollar Plan
ITA. In High School, I was picking up garbage from the back of a garbage truck. I was cleaning toilets. I was picking up garbage around the facility with a bag and a poker stick. So, I can empathize with a lot of entry level jobs. As can most of us. Just because I have a white collar job now doesn't mean I look down on anyone that has the type of job that I used to have.
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Re: Biden's 1.9 Trillion Dollar Plan
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by valentinesbaby48
So you think they should make $15 or $20 an hour at an entry level job? You had bills at 15 and 16 to pay?
My SO did, he paid his catholic school tuition on his own in the 90's at 14. He worked in a bowling alley
Do you find this to be the norm though?
Why are you constantly trying to put down anyone and everyone making minimum wage? Why does it matter what bills someone may or may not have? If a person is working a fair day's work, they should get a fair day's pay. It doesn't matter if they are 20 years old and paying rent with it, or 16 years old and buying video games. That's not our call.
I don't look down on anyone trying to earn (legal) money.
Where was I putting anyone down? I asked a simple question if the poster found this to be the norm of a 14 year old child.
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Re: Biden's 1.9 Trillion Dollar Plan
Posted by GoldenRod
ITA. In High School, I was picking up garbage from the back of a garbage truck. I was cleaning toilets. I was picking up garbage around the facility with a bag and a poker stick. So, I can empathize with a lot of entry level jobs. As can most of us. Just because I have a white collar job now doesn't mean I look down on anyone that has the type of job that I used to have.
Because someone works up to a job they have does not mean they look down on others. Maybe their own mother, father, sister, brother, cousin, spouse, etc might be making minimum wage and know exactly how it is. Most people start at these entry level jobs and don't stay at those for the rest of their lives. These jobs were created to be stepping stones.
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Re: Biden's 1.9 Trillion Dollar Plan
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Straightarrow
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by BFNY516
My only concern at this juncture is the min wage should be $20 an hour.
Are you serious?
Minimum wage jobs were not meant to be “careers”. We need to focus on how to get employees in minimum wage jobs the education or skills they need to get a career. Not a “job”
Sorry, but the kid bagging my groceries doesn’t deserve $20 an hour. The adult bagging my groceries deserves access to skills and knowledge to get them moved up to either a management position in their minimum wage JOB or another field.
But they are careers. And people shouldn't be looked down upon because they work in a grocery store for their whole lives.
The jobs were minimum wage because they were intended for people starting out in life. If you are there for many years as an adult, you have gotten raises. I was at a grocery store one time and the cashier (who was there 20 years) said she was making $30 on overtime. Not too bad for the year as the minimum wage was so much lower back when she started working.
Unfortunately, that isn't the case anymore. Now minimum wage jobs are many people's primary source of income. Welcome to America.
F*cking thank you. That was the point I was trying to make earlier in the thread. Go ask all the certified teachers stuck making coffee at Starbucks with nowhere to go and masters degrees to pay off how easy it is to just waltz into a career path. All the professionals with 20 years experience and higher education who lost their jobs but are driving Uber to get by because they can't find a new job. TONE DEAF IS THE THEME OF THIS THREAD.
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Re: Biden's 1.9 Trillion Dollar Plan
Posted by Diane
Can we stop quoting everyone's post? It is annoying trying to read all the comments, and scrolling. Just quote the comment you are commenting on. If that makes sense.
Feel free not to read through it all...
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Re: Biden's 1.9 Trillion Dollar Plan
Posted by Mrs213
Posted by Diane
Can we stop quoting everyone's post? It is annoying trying to read all the comments, and scrolling. Just quote the comment you are commenting on. If that makes sense.
Feel free not to read through it all...
I get what she is saying though as it is really hard to read any of it on my phone.
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Re: Biden's 1.9 Trillion Dollar Plan
Posted by MC09
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Straightarrow
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by BFNY516
My only concern at this juncture is the min wage should be $20 an hour.
Are you serious?
Minimum wage jobs were not meant to be “careers”. We need to focus on how to get employees in minimum wage jobs the education or skills they need to get a career. Not a “job”
Sorry, but the kid bagging my groceries doesn’t deserve $20 an hour. The adult bagging my groceries deserves access to skills and knowledge to get them moved up to either a management position in their minimum wage JOB or another field.
But they are careers. And people shouldn't be looked down upon because they work in a grocery store for their whole lives.
The jobs were minimum wage because they were intended for people starting out in life. If you are there for many years as an adult, you have gotten raises. I was at a grocery store one time and the cashier (who was there 20 years) said she was making $30 on overtime. Not too bad for the year as the minimum wage was so much lower back when she started working.
Unfortunately, that isn't the case anymore. Now minimum wage jobs are many people's primary source of income. Welcome to America.
F*cking thank you. That was the point I was trying to make earlier in the thread. Go ask all the certified teachers stuck making coffee at Starbucks with nowhere to go and masters degrees to pay off how easy it is to just waltz into a career path. All the professionals with 20 years experience and higher education who lost their jobs but are driving Uber to get by because they can't find a new job. TONE DEAF IS THE THEME OF THIS THREAD.
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Re: Biden's 1.9 Trillion Dollar Plan
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by GoldenRod
ITA. In High School, I was picking up garbage from the back of a garbage truck. I was cleaning toilets. I was picking up garbage around the facility with a bag and a poker stick. So, I can empathize with a lot of entry level jobs. As can most of us. Just because I have a white collar job now doesn't mean I look down on anyone that has the type of job that I used to have.
Because someone works up to a job they have does not mean they look down on others. Maybe their own mother, father, sister, brother, cousin, spouse, etc might be making minimum wage and know exactly how it is. Most people start at these entry level jobs and don't stay at those for the rest of their lives. These jobs were created to be stepping stones.
That is not what minimum wage was suppose to be.
Minimum wage does not equate to entry level jobs.
Minimum wage jobs are suppose to be jobs that pay enough of a salary to live on. Minimum wage should be retitled a living wage.
The thoughts behind the legislation was to help a post depression economy. It was created to protect the health and well being of employees.
This would not be an issue today if min. wage kept up with inflation and productivity growth. But the divide widened while those on the top grew their wealth. It's only greed that wants to maintain the status quo.
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