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Re: Biden's 1.9 Trillion Dollar Plan
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I think people do not really know what it is like to be part of the working poor. Honestly I do not either but I have family members who fall into this category. Most of these people are the hardest working people you’ll ever meet. My aunt one year donated to her kids’ food drive and then wound up being the receipent of the food basket. She had nothing but always wanted to help out people who were needier than her. When I told her I was pregnant after dealing with IF for years, she bought me a few baby things from dollar general. People like this deserve to be able to earn enough money to live a decent life. Unfortunately, she has since passed away from cancer. She never owned a car or home. She never went on a vacation. She never got her nails done or her haircut. I think many people in the working poor category are living a life like this. They’re not trying to keep up, they’re trying to survive.
That’s why I advocate for $20+ an hour.
The majority of people don’t have enough in savings to cover a sudden emergency.
The majority of people in America make about $47k a year.
It’s unacceptable.
There’s enough for everyone. There needs to be wealth redistribution.
Read the story above and you will see why this won’t work
Actually my story was to say that if my aunt and her husband were both earning $20/hour they could’ve afforded things that everyday people consider normal like haircut. Instead they were straddling the poverty line for her entire life.
It is very sad and we all make choices in our lives. I could have continued with more college and I have gotten jobs that require a BA with experience.
You're going to say you didn't say it, but what you're saying here is pitterpatter's aunt was poor because of the choices she made. She chose to be poor. Poor people choose poverty. This is a gross comment.
No I didn’t and you did not read all my comments.
I've read them, and you seem to flip flop back and forth a lot. You said "we all make choices in our lives" in response to pitterpatter's aunt. Poor people must be so stupid. They could choose to have more. They just keep choosing to be poor. Wtf is wrong with them?? Don't they know there's a whole world of designer handbags out there they could choose to have if they weren't so stupid choosing to be poor??
Yes choices is something in our life that can determine how we live. Again I did say that sometimes circumstances are out of our control though. We don’t know PP aunt personally so we can’t really debate it. I do know people who were and are poor for many reasons. I only have designer bags because I saved for them and carry the same bag for years. So many people act and look rich who live on credit cards and have houses in foreclosure. Many by choice, many by circumstances. I am old so been around the block and have seen everything. I also live on a budget and while I don’t have to make a choice which bill to choose, which is a huge blessing, I know many who do for many reasons. We all hope everyone can afford to live in safe and comfortable places. Unfortunately that will never happen and you will always have that person who will do the bare minimum and the person who will work a ton of jobs and hustle so they can have more in life. This is an individual issue.
What in the actual hell does ANY of this have to do with raising the minimum wage to a respectable level so that it is more in line with inflation and COL?????
Why is it SO upsetting to you that hard working people who are barely getting by will make a few extra bucks? You do not make any sense in this thread whatsoever.
Once again I have no problem with people making more money.
Yes, you do.
Go back and read ALL of your comments. You CLEALY take issue with minimum wage workers, an increase for them is somehow "not fair" to you.
Once again you are twisting my words to make me look like the bad person.
Would it be fair if a college grad at 21 came into your husbands job and started making the same amount of money he makes after many years of working his way up? You said this in the other thread that many deserve what they make and that is exactly what I also have been saying. I don’t think people should live in poverty and I am much closer to minimum wage than you will ever be so why would I disagree with it?
Yes, me and the other 5-6 people who are telling you the same thing are all getting it wrong. Ok. lol
Just because you have a lower paying job doesn't mean that others should be kept down and minimum wage remain stagnant.
Like you keep telling everyone, maybe you need to just "work harder" so you can make more. Or get a new job. Or ask for a raise. What you do NOT get to do is keep others barely above the poverty line because it isn't "fair" to you.
And once again I never said that I wanted people barely above the poverty line.
Did you read the link?
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Re: Biden's 1.9 Trillion Dollar Plan
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Did you read the link?
Yes, I read the one, biased foxnews link from one restauranteur who doesn't care about his employees.
Did you read ANY of the links that I posted from non-partisan people saying that throughout history, this has been proven incorrect?
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Re: Biden's 1.9 Trillion Dollar Plan
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Did you read the link?
Yes, I read the one, biased foxnews link from one restauranteur who doesn't care about his employees.
Did you read ANY of the links that I posted from non-partisan people saying that throughout history, this has been proven incorrect?
The 2nd link
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Re: Biden's 1.9 Trillion Dollar Plan
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Did you read the link?
Yes, I read the one, biased foxnews link from one restauranteur who doesn't care about his employees.
Did you read ANY of the links that I posted from non-partisan people saying that throughout history, this has been proven incorrect?
The 2nd link
The foxnews *Opinion* article?
Did you read any of my links?
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Re: Biden's 1.9 Trillion Dollar Plan
Posted by Hofstra26
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Posted by MC09
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Posted by BFNY516
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I think people do not really know what it is like to be part of the working poor. Honestly I do not either but I have family members who fall into this category. Most of these people are the hardest working people you’ll ever meet. My aunt one year donated to her kids’ food drive and then wound up being the receipent of the food basket. She had nothing but always wanted to help out people who were needier than her. When I told her I was pregnant after dealing with IF for years, she bought me a few baby things from dollar general. People like this deserve to be able to earn enough money to live a decent life. Unfortunately, she has since passed away from cancer. She never owned a car or home. She never went on a vacation. She never got her nails done or her haircut. I think many people in the working poor category are living a life like this. They’re not trying to keep up, they’re trying to survive.
That’s why I advocate for $20+ an hour.
The majority of people don’t have enough in savings to cover a sudden emergency.
The majority of people in America make about $47k a year.
It’s unacceptable.
There’s enough for everyone. There needs to be wealth redistribution.
Read the story above and you will see why this won’t work
Actually my story was to say that if my aunt and her husband were both earning $20/hour they could’ve afforded things that everyday people consider normal like haircut. Instead they were straddling the poverty line for her entire life.
It is very sad and we all make choices in our lives. I could have continued with more college and I have gotten jobs that require a BA with experience.
You're going to say you didn't say it, but what you're saying here is pitterpatter's aunt was poor because of the choices she made. She chose to be poor. Poor people choose poverty. This is a gross comment.
No I didn’t and you did not read all my comments.
I've read them, and you seem to flip flop back and forth a lot. You said "we all make choices in our lives" in response to pitterpatter's aunt. Poor people must be so stupid. They could choose to have more. They just keep choosing to be poor. Wtf is wrong with them?? Don't they know there's a whole world of designer handbags out there they could choose to have if they weren't so stupid choosing to be poor??
Yes choices is something in our life that can determine how we live. Again I did say that sometimes circumstances are out of our control though. We don’t know PP aunt personally so we can’t really debate it. I do know people who were and are poor for many reasons. I only have designer bags because I saved for them and carry the same bag for years. So many people act and look rich who live on credit cards and have houses in foreclosure. Many by choice, many by circumstances. I am old so been around the block and have seen everything. I also live on a budget and while I don’t have to make a choice which bill to choose, which is a huge blessing, I know many who do for many reasons. We all hope everyone can afford to live in safe and comfortable places. Unfortunately that will never happen and you will always have that person who will do the bare minimum and the person who will work a ton of jobs and hustle so they can have more in life. This is an individual issue.
What in the actual hell does ANY of this have to do with raising the minimum wage to a respectable level so that it is more in line with inflation and COL?????
Why is it SO upsetting to you that hard working people who are barely getting by will make a few extra bucks? You do not make any sense in this thread whatsoever.
Once again I have no problem with people making more money.
Yes, you do.
Go back and read ALL of your comments. You CLEALY take issue with minimum wage workers, an increase for them is somehow "not fair" to you.
Once again you are twisting my words to make me look like the bad person.
Would it be fair if a college grad at 21 came into your husbands job and started making the same amount of money he makes after many years of working his way up? You said this in the other thread that many deserve what they make and that is exactly what I also have been saying. I don’t think people should live in poverty and I am much closer to minimum wage than you will ever be so why would I disagree with it?
Yes, me and the other 5-6 people who are telling you the same thing are all getting it wrong. Ok. lol
Just because you have a lower paying job doesn't mean that others should be kept down and minimum wage remain stagnant.
Like you keep telling everyone, maybe you need to just "work harder" so you can make more. Or get a new job. Or ask for a raise. What you do NOT get to do is keep others barely above the poverty line because it isn't "fair" to you.
You never answered my question. Seems we know it though from the other thread. You and your husband wouldn’t like if someone with no experience came in and got your husbands title and same pay. So why is that different than anyone else?
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Re: Biden's 1.9 Trillion Dollar Plan
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Posted by MC09
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I think people do not really know what it is like to be part of the working poor. Honestly I do not either but I have family members who fall into this category. Most of these people are the hardest working people you’ll ever meet. My aunt one year donated to her kids’ food drive and then wound up being the receipent of the food basket. She had nothing but always wanted to help out people who were needier than her. When I told her I was pregnant after dealing with IF for years, she bought me a few baby things from dollar general. People like this deserve to be able to earn enough money to live a decent life. Unfortunately, she has since passed away from cancer. She never owned a car or home. She never went on a vacation. She never got her nails done or her haircut. I think many people in the working poor category are living a life like this. They’re not trying to keep up, they’re trying to survive.
That’s why I advocate for $20+ an hour.
The majority of people don’t have enough in savings to cover a sudden emergency.
The majority of people in America make about $47k a year.
It’s unacceptable.
There’s enough for everyone. There needs to be wealth redistribution.
Read the story above and you will see why this won’t work
Actually my story was to say that if my aunt and her husband were both earning $20/hour they could’ve afforded things that everyday people consider normal like haircut. Instead they were straddling the poverty line for her entire life.
It is very sad and we all make choices in our lives. I could have continued with more college and I have gotten jobs that require a BA with experience.
You're going to say you didn't say it, but what you're saying here is pitterpatter's aunt was poor because of the choices she made. She chose to be poor. Poor people choose poverty. This is a gross comment.
No I didn’t and you did not read all my comments.
I've read them, and you seem to flip flop back and forth a lot. You said "we all make choices in our lives" in response to pitterpatter's aunt. Poor people must be so stupid. They could choose to have more. They just keep choosing to be poor. Wtf is wrong with them?? Don't they know there's a whole world of designer handbags out there they could choose to have if they weren't so stupid choosing to be poor??
Yes choices is something in our life that can determine how we live. Again I did say that sometimes circumstances are out of our control though. We don’t know PP aunt personally so we can’t really debate it. I do know people who were and are poor for many reasons. I only have designer bags because I saved for them and carry the same bag for years. So many people act and look rich who live on credit cards and have houses in foreclosure. Many by choice, many by circumstances. I am old so been around the block and have seen everything. I also live on a budget and while I don’t have to make a choice which bill to choose, which is a huge blessing, I know many who do for many reasons. We all hope everyone can afford to live in safe and comfortable places. Unfortunately that will never happen and you will always have that person who will do the bare minimum and the person who will work a ton of jobs and hustle so they can have more in life. This is an individual issue.
What in the actual hell does ANY of this have to do with raising the minimum wage to a respectable level so that it is more in line with inflation and COL?????
Why is it SO upsetting to you that hard working people who are barely getting by will make a few extra bucks? You do not make any sense in this thread whatsoever.
Once again I have no problem with people making more money.
Yes, you do.
Go back and read ALL of your comments. You CLEALY take issue with minimum wage workers, an increase for them is somehow "not fair" to you.
Once again you are twisting my words to make me look like the bad person.
Would it be fair if a college grad at 21 came into your husbands job and started making the same amount of money he makes after many years of working his way up? You said this in the other thread that many deserve what they make and that is exactly what I also have been saying. I don’t think people should live in poverty and I am much closer to minimum wage than you will ever be so why would I disagree with it?
Yes, me and the other 5-6 people who are telling you the same thing are all getting it wrong. Ok. lol
Just because you have a lower paying job doesn't mean that others should be kept down and minimum wage remain stagnant.
Like you keep telling everyone, maybe you need to just "work harder" so you can make more. Or get a new job. Or ask for a raise. What you do NOT get to do is keep others barely above the poverty line because it isn't "fair" to you.
You never answered my question. Seems we know it though from the other thread. You and your husband wouldn’t like if someone with no experience came in and got your husbands title and same pay. So why is that different than anyone else?
Here is the point that you are missing in all of this. Minimum wage has to land somewhere and if a person is above minimum wage but also on the very low end of the pay scale then guess what? There is a good chance that minimum wage will at some point come very close to or maybe even equal low end salaries. That, of course, doesn't mean that minimum wage should never be increased, perhaps it means someone like you just needs a better paying job.
To answer your odd question, which really isn't a good example of what we are even talking about, someone with no experience cannot walk into an executive level position. It's not how the world works. But to try and make your example somewhat applicable, if at some point the Director level salary (which is under my DH) started to come close to my DH's salary as VP then he would either talk to his employer about a raise/cost of living increase OR he would consider another company with a better pay scale for his role, skills and experience. What he would NOT do is whine about the Director and the salary he is being paid because it is "not fair".
As you keep telling everyone, "we all have choices to make" so if your salary is a disappointment to you then maybe you need to make a CHOICE to find a better paying job instead of whining about what others are being paid.
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Re: Biden's 1.9 Trillion Dollar Plan
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Posted by MC09
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I think people do not really know what it is like to be part of the working poor. Honestly I do not either but I have family members who fall into this category. Most of these people are the hardest working people you’ll ever meet. My aunt one year donated to her kids’ food drive and then wound up being the receipent of the food basket. She had nothing but always wanted to help out people who were needier than her. When I told her I was pregnant after dealing with IF for years, she bought me a few baby things from dollar general. People like this deserve to be able to earn enough money to live a decent life. Unfortunately, she has since passed away from cancer. She never owned a car or home. She never went on a vacation. She never got her nails done or her haircut. I think many people in the working poor category are living a life like this. They’re not trying to keep up, they’re trying to survive.
That’s why I advocate for $20+ an hour.
The majority of people don’t have enough in savings to cover a sudden emergency.
The majority of people in America make about $47k a year.
It’s unacceptable.
There’s enough for everyone. There needs to be wealth redistribution.
Read the story above and you will see why this won’t work
Actually my story was to say that if my aunt and her husband were both earning $20/hour they could’ve afforded things that everyday people consider normal like haircut. Instead they were straddling the poverty line for her entire life.
It is very sad and we all make choices in our lives. I could have continued with more college and I have gotten jobs that require a BA with experience.
You're going to say you didn't say it, but what you're saying here is pitterpatter's aunt was poor because of the choices she made. She chose to be poor. Poor people choose poverty. This is a gross comment.
No I didn’t and you did not read all my comments.
I've read them, and you seem to flip flop back and forth a lot. You said "we all make choices in our lives" in response to pitterpatter's aunt. Poor people must be so stupid. They could choose to have more. They just keep choosing to be poor. Wtf is wrong with them?? Don't they know there's a whole world of designer handbags out there they could choose to have if they weren't so stupid choosing to be poor??
Yes choices is something in our life that can determine how we live. Again I did say that sometimes circumstances are out of our control though. We don’t know PP aunt personally so we can’t really debate it. I do know people who were and are poor for many reasons. I only have designer bags because I saved for them and carry the same bag for years. So many people act and look rich who live on credit cards and have houses in foreclosure. Many by choice, many by circumstances. I am old so been around the block and have seen everything. I also live on a budget and while I don’t have to make a choice which bill to choose, which is a huge blessing, I know many who do for many reasons. We all hope everyone can afford to live in safe and comfortable places. Unfortunately that will never happen and you will always have that person who will do the bare minimum and the person who will work a ton of jobs and hustle so they can have more in life. This is an individual issue.
What in the actual hell does ANY of this have to do with raising the minimum wage to a respectable level so that it is more in line with inflation and COL?????
Why is it SO upsetting to you that hard working people who are barely getting by will make a few extra bucks? You do not make any sense in this thread whatsoever.
Once again I have no problem with people making more money.
Yes, you do.
Go back and read ALL of your comments. You CLEALY take issue with minimum wage workers, an increase for them is somehow "not fair" to you.
Once again you are twisting my words to make me look like the bad person.
Would it be fair if a college grad at 21 came into your husbands job and started making the same amount of money he makes after many years of working his way up? You said this in the other thread that many deserve what they make and that is exactly what I also have been saying. I don’t think people should live in poverty and I am much closer to minimum wage than you will ever be so why would I disagree with it?
Yes, me and the other 5-6 people who are telling you the same thing are all getting it wrong. Ok. lol
Just because you have a lower paying job doesn't mean that others should be kept down and minimum wage remain stagnant.
Like you keep telling everyone, maybe you need to just "work harder" so you can make more. Or get a new job. Or ask for a raise. What you do NOT get to do is keep others barely above the poverty line because it isn't "fair" to you.
You never answered my question. Seems we know it though from the other thread. You and your husband wouldn’t like if someone with no experience came in and got your husbands title and same pay. So why is that different than anyone else?
You sound like you are trouble processing basic facts of this argument. We are talking about min wage workers being able to pay their rent and put food on the table. Obviously many companies are looking for a certain skill set and experience and will continue to do so. You are making it sound like they are just going to start hiring people with no experience just because minimum wage goes up. How does that make any sense? Nothing you are saying here is sensible...
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Re: Biden's 1.9 Trillion Dollar Plan
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by MC09
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by MC09
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by PitterPatter11
I think people do not really know what it is like to be part of the working poor. Honestly I do not either but I have family members who fall into this category. Most of these people are the hardest working people you’ll ever meet. My aunt one year donated to her kids’ food drive and then wound up being the receipent of the food basket. She had nothing but always wanted to help out people who were needier than her. When I told her I was pregnant after dealing with IF for years, she bought me a few baby things from dollar general. People like this deserve to be able to earn enough money to live a decent life. Unfortunately, she has since passed away from cancer. She never owned a car or home. She never went on a vacation. She never got her nails done or her haircut. I think many people in the working poor category are living a life like this. They’re not trying to keep up, they’re trying to survive.
That’s why I advocate for $20+ an hour.
The majority of people don’t have enough in savings to cover a sudden emergency.
The majority of people in America make about $47k a year.
It’s unacceptable.
There’s enough for everyone. There needs to be wealth redistribution.
Read the story above and you will see why this won’t work
Actually my story was to say that if my aunt and her husband were both earning $20/hour they could’ve afforded things that everyday people consider normal like haircut. Instead they were straddling the poverty line for her entire life.
It is very sad and we all make choices in our lives. I could have continued with more college and I have gotten jobs that require a BA with experience.
You're going to say you didn't say it, but what you're saying here is pitterpatter's aunt was poor because of the choices she made. She chose to be poor. Poor people choose poverty. This is a gross comment.
No I didn’t and you did not read all my comments.
I've read them, and you seem to flip flop back and forth a lot. You said "we all make choices in our lives" in response to pitterpatter's aunt. Poor people must be so stupid. They could choose to have more. They just keep choosing to be poor. Wtf is wrong with them?? Don't they know there's a whole world of designer handbags out there they could choose to have if they weren't so stupid choosing to be poor??
Yes choices is something in our life that can determine how we live. Again I did say that sometimes circumstances are out of our control though. We don’t know PP aunt personally so we can’t really debate it. I do know people who were and are poor for many reasons. I only have designer bags because I saved for them and carry the same bag for years. So many people act and look rich who live on credit cards and have houses in foreclosure. Many by choice, many by circumstances. I am old so been around the block and have seen everything. I also live on a budget and while I don’t have to make a choice which bill to choose, which is a huge blessing, I know many who do for many reasons. We all hope everyone can afford to live in safe and comfortable places. Unfortunately that will never happen and you will always have that person who will do the bare minimum and the person who will work a ton of jobs and hustle so they can have more in life. This is an individual issue.
What in the actual hell does ANY of this have to do with raising the minimum wage to a respectable level so that it is more in line with inflation and COL?????
Why is it SO upsetting to you that hard working people who are barely getting by will make a few extra bucks? You do not make any sense in this thread whatsoever.
Once again I have no problem with people making more money.
Yes, you do.
Go back and read ALL of your comments. You CLEALY take issue with minimum wage workers, an increase for them is somehow "not fair" to you.
Once again you are twisting my words to make me look like the bad person.
Would it be fair if a college grad at 21 came into your husbands job and started making the same amount of money he makes after many years of working his way up? You said this in the other thread that many deserve what they make and that is exactly what I also have been saying. I don’t think people should live in poverty and I am much closer to minimum wage than you will ever be so why would I disagree with it?
Yes, me and the other 5-6 people who are telling you the same thing are all getting it wrong. Ok. lol
Just because you have a lower paying job doesn't mean that others should be kept down and minimum wage remain stagnant.
Like you keep telling everyone, maybe you need to just "work harder" so you can make more. Or get a new job. Or ask for a raise. What you do NOT get to do is keep others barely above the poverty line because it isn't "fair" to you.
You never answered my question. Seems we know it though from the other thread. You and your husband wouldn’t like if someone with no experience came in and got your husbands title and same pay. So why is that different than anyone else?
Here is the point that you are missing in all of this. Minimum wage has to land somewhere and if a person is above minimum wage but also on the very low end of the pay scale then guess what? There is a good chance that minimum wage will at some point come very close to or maybe even equal low end salaries. That, of course, doesn't mean that minimum wage should never be increased, perhaps it means someone like you just needs a better paying job.
To answer your odd question, which really isn't a good example of what we are even talking about, someone with no experience cannot walk into an executive level position. It's not how the world works. But to try and make your example somewhat applicable, if at some point the Director level salary (which is under my DH) started to come close to my DH's salary as VP then he would either talk to his employer about a raise/cost of living increase OR he would consider another company with a better pay scale for his role, skills and experience. What he would NOT do is whine about the Director and the salary he is being paid because it is "not fair".
As you keep telling everyone, "we all have choices to make" so if your salary is a disappointment to you then maybe you need to make a CHOICE to find a better paying job instead of whining about what others are being paid.
You keep making it all about me and you answered this perfectly on the other thread about working your way up. Entry level jobs are paid less because you usually do not have experience. Someone with experience should not be making the same or close to minimum wage. I am happy with my job right now and it pays the bills but if someone came in making the same with no experience after 30 + years of working and experience, no I would not be happy.
Funny how I just came about a huge thread on fb about this discussion and every single person mentioned how this will destroy the small businesses and they will have to close. Also how minimum wage jobs are entry level and not intended to be jobs to stay at forever. Most jobs you need a degree now to get and honestly the less money you make, the more you get in student loans and in many cases there is very little charge to get a degree. College is not out of reach for poor people anymore.
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Re: Biden's 1.9 Trillion Dollar Plan
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Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by PitterPatter11
I think people do not really know what it is like to be part of the working poor. Honestly I do not either but I have family members who fall into this category. Most of these people are the hardest working people you’ll ever meet. My aunt one year donated to her kids’ food drive and then wound up being the receipent of the food basket. She had nothing but always wanted to help out people who were needier than her. When I told her I was pregnant after dealing with IF for years, she bought me a few baby things from dollar general. People like this deserve to be able to earn enough money to live a decent life. Unfortunately, she has since passed away from cancer. She never owned a car or home. She never went on a vacation. She never got her nails done or her haircut. I think many people in the working poor category are living a life like this. They’re not trying to keep up, they’re trying to survive.
That’s why I advocate for $20+ an hour.
The majority of people don’t have enough in savings to cover a sudden emergency.
The majority of people in America make about $47k a year.
It’s unacceptable.
There’s enough for everyone. There needs to be wealth redistribution.
Read the story above and you will see why this won’t work
Actually my story was to say that if my aunt and her husband were both earning $20/hour they could’ve afforded things that everyday people consider normal like haircut. Instead they were straddling the poverty line for her entire life.
It is very sad and we all make choices in our lives. I could have continued with more college and I have gotten jobs that require a BA with experience.
You're going to say you didn't say it, but what you're saying here is pitterpatter's aunt was poor because of the choices she made. She chose to be poor. Poor people choose poverty. This is a gross comment.
No I didn’t and you did not read all my comments.
I've read them, and you seem to flip flop back and forth a lot. You said "we all make choices in our lives" in response to pitterpatter's aunt. Poor people must be so stupid. They could choose to have more. They just keep choosing to be poor. Wtf is wrong with them?? Don't they know there's a whole world of designer handbags out there they could choose to have if they weren't so stupid choosing to be poor??
Yes choices is something in our life that can determine how we live. Again I did say that sometimes circumstances are out of our control though. We don’t know PP aunt personally so we can’t really debate it. I do know people who were and are poor for many reasons. I only have designer bags because I saved for them and carry the same bag for years. So many people act and look rich who live on credit cards and have houses in foreclosure. Many by choice, many by circumstances. I am old so been around the block and have seen everything. I also live on a budget and while I don’t have to make a choice which bill to choose, which is a huge blessing, I know many who do for many reasons. We all hope everyone can afford to live in safe and comfortable places. Unfortunately that will never happen and you will always have that person who will do the bare minimum and the person who will work a ton of jobs and hustle so they can have more in life. This is an individual issue.
What in the actual hell does ANY of this have to do with raising the minimum wage to a respectable level so that it is more in line with inflation and COL?????
Why is it SO upsetting to you that hard working people who are barely getting by will make a few extra bucks? You do not make any sense in this thread whatsoever.
Once again I have no problem with people making more money.
Yes, you do.
Go back and read ALL of your comments. You CLEALY take issue with minimum wage workers, an increase for them is somehow "not fair" to you.
Once again you are twisting my words to make me look like the bad person.
Would it be fair if a college grad at 21 came into your husbands job and started making the same amount of money he makes after many years of working his way up? You said this in the other thread that many deserve what they make and that is exactly what I also have been saying. I don’t think people should live in poverty and I am much closer to minimum wage than you will ever be so why would I disagree with it?
Yes, me and the other 5-6 people who are telling you the same thing are all getting it wrong. Ok. lol
Just because you have a lower paying job doesn't mean that others should be kept down and minimum wage remain stagnant.
Like you keep telling everyone, maybe you need to just "work harder" so you can make more. Or get a new job. Or ask for a raise. What you do NOT get to do is keep others barely above the poverty line because it isn't "fair" to you.
You never answered my question. Seems we know it though from the other thread. You and your husband wouldn’t like if someone with no experience came in and got your husbands title and same pay. So why is that different than anyone else?
You sound like you are trouble processing basic facts of this argument. We are talking about min wage workers being able to pay their rent and put food on the table. Obviously many companies are looking for a certain skill set and experience and will continue to do so. You are making it sound like they are just going to start hiring people with no experience just because minimum wage goes up. How does that make any sense? Nothing you are saying here is sensible...
Why would people want to work in high stressful jobs when they can be a greeter at Walmart for $20/hour? Funny as I ran to Walmart today and the woman at the door was a lovely older woman. Not sure her pay but my cashier was talking about the raise to $15 and how they get checks of $200 every other month for working through Covid. She said this is the best job as there is no stress and good money.
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Hofstra26
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Re: Biden's 1.9 Trillion Dollar Plan
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
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Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by MC09
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by MC09
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by PitterPatter11
I think people do not really know what it is like to be part of the working poor. Honestly I do not either but I have family members who fall into this category. Most of these people are the hardest working people you’ll ever meet. My aunt one year donated to her kids’ food drive and then wound up being the receipent of the food basket. She had nothing but always wanted to help out people who were needier than her. When I told her I was pregnant after dealing with IF for years, she bought me a few baby things from dollar general. People like this deserve to be able to earn enough money to live a decent life. Unfortunately, she has since passed away from cancer. She never owned a car or home. She never went on a vacation. She never got her nails done or her haircut. I think many people in the working poor category are living a life like this. They’re not trying to keep up, they’re trying to survive.
That’s why I advocate for $20+ an hour.
The majority of people don’t have enough in savings to cover a sudden emergency.
The majority of people in America make about $47k a year.
It’s unacceptable.
There’s enough for everyone. There needs to be wealth redistribution.
Read the story above and you will see why this won’t work
Actually my story was to say that if my aunt and her husband were both earning $20/hour they could’ve afforded things that everyday people consider normal like haircut. Instead they were straddling the poverty line for her entire life.
It is very sad and we all make choices in our lives. I could have continued with more college and I have gotten jobs that require a BA with experience.
You're going to say you didn't say it, but what you're saying here is pitterpatter's aunt was poor because of the choices she made. She chose to be poor. Poor people choose poverty. This is a gross comment.
No I didn’t and you did not read all my comments.
I've read them, and you seem to flip flop back and forth a lot. You said "we all make choices in our lives" in response to pitterpatter's aunt. Poor people must be so stupid. They could choose to have more. They just keep choosing to be poor. Wtf is wrong with them?? Don't they know there's a whole world of designer handbags out there they could choose to have if they weren't so stupid choosing to be poor??
Yes choices is something in our life that can determine how we live. Again I did say that sometimes circumstances are out of our control though. We don’t know PP aunt personally so we can’t really debate it. I do know people who were and are poor for many reasons. I only have designer bags because I saved for them and carry the same bag for years. So many people act and look rich who live on credit cards and have houses in foreclosure. Many by choice, many by circumstances. I am old so been around the block and have seen everything. I also live on a budget and while I don’t have to make a choice which bill to choose, which is a huge blessing, I know many who do for many reasons. We all hope everyone can afford to live in safe and comfortable places. Unfortunately that will never happen and you will always have that person who will do the bare minimum and the person who will work a ton of jobs and hustle so they can have more in life. This is an individual issue.
What in the actual hell does ANY of this have to do with raising the minimum wage to a respectable level so that it is more in line with inflation and COL?????
Why is it SO upsetting to you that hard working people who are barely getting by will make a few extra bucks? You do not make any sense in this thread whatsoever.
Once again I have no problem with people making more money.
Yes, you do.
Go back and read ALL of your comments. You CLEALY take issue with minimum wage workers, an increase for them is somehow "not fair" to you.
Once again you are twisting my words to make me look like the bad person.
Would it be fair if a college grad at 21 came into your husbands job and started making the same amount of money he makes after many years of working his way up? You said this in the other thread that many deserve what they make and that is exactly what I also have been saying. I don’t think people should live in poverty and I am much closer to minimum wage than you will ever be so why would I disagree with it?
Yes, me and the other 5-6 people who are telling you the same thing are all getting it wrong. Ok. lol
Just because you have a lower paying job doesn't mean that others should be kept down and minimum wage remain stagnant.
Like you keep telling everyone, maybe you need to just "work harder" so you can make more. Or get a new job. Or ask for a raise. What you do NOT get to do is keep others barely above the poverty line because it isn't "fair" to you.
You never answered my question. Seems we know it though from the other thread. You and your husband wouldn’t like if someone with no experience came in and got your husbands title and same pay. So why is that different than anyone else?
Here is the point that you are missing in all of this. Minimum wage has to land somewhere and if a person is above minimum wage but also on the very low end of the pay scale then guess what? There is a good chance that minimum wage will at some point come very close to or maybe even equal low end salaries. That, of course, doesn't mean that minimum wage should never be increased, perhaps it means someone like you just needs a better paying job.
To answer your odd question, which really isn't a good example of what we are even talking about, someone with no experience cannot walk into an executive level position. It's not how the world works. But to try and make your example somewhat applicable, if at some point the Director level salary (which is under my DH) started to come close to my DH's salary as VP then he would either talk to his employer about a raise/cost of living increase OR he would consider another company with a better pay scale for his role, skills and experience. What he would NOT do is whine about the Director and the salary he is being paid because it is "not fair".
As you keep telling everyone, "we all have choices to make" so if your salary is a disappointment to you then maybe you need to make a CHOICE to find a better paying job instead of whining about what others are being paid.
You keep making it all about me and you answered this perfectly on the other thread about working your way up. Entry level jobs are paid less because you usually do not have experience. Someone with experience should not be making the same or close to minimum wage. I am happy with my job right now and it pays the bills but if someone came in making the same with no experience after 30 + years of working and experience, no I would not be happy.
Funny how I just came about a huge thread on fb about this discussion and every single person mentioned how this will destroy the small businesses and they will have to close. Also how minimum wage jobs are entry level and not intended to be jobs to stay at forever. Most jobs you need a degree now to get and honestly the less money you make, the more you get in student loans and in many cases there is very little charge to get a degree. College is not out of reach for poor people anymore.
Here is my advice to you, get over it! Minimum wage will increase, as it should, and you will need to figure out your own situation. If you are happy with your job and you have what you need to pay the bills then stop concerning yourself with others and what they make. If not, find a better paying job because it you have over 30 years of experience and you are making that close to minimum wage than maybe it's time for a new path.
The rest of your comment is tone deaf and has been addressed by many others, you just refuse to listen.
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MC09
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Re: Biden's 1.9 Trillion Dollar Plan
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by MC09
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by MC09
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by PitterPatter11
I think people do not really know what it is like to be part of the working poor. Honestly I do not either but I have family members who fall into this category. Most of these people are the hardest working people you’ll ever meet. My aunt one year donated to her kids’ food drive and then wound up being the receipent of the food basket. She had nothing but always wanted to help out people who were needier than her. When I told her I was pregnant after dealing with IF for years, she bought me a few baby things from dollar general. People like this deserve to be able to earn enough money to live a decent life. Unfortunately, she has since passed away from cancer. She never owned a car or home. She never went on a vacation. She never got her nails done or her haircut. I think many people in the working poor category are living a life like this. They’re not trying to keep up, they’re trying to survive.
That’s why I advocate for $20+ an hour.
The majority of people don’t have enough in savings to cover a sudden emergency.
The majority of people in America make about $47k a year.
It’s unacceptable.
There’s enough for everyone. There needs to be wealth redistribution.
Read the story above and you will see why this won’t work
Actually my story was to say that if my aunt and her husband were both earning $20/hour they could’ve afforded things that everyday people consider normal like haircut. Instead they were straddling the poverty line for her entire life.
It is very sad and we all make choices in our lives. I could have continued with more college and I have gotten jobs that require a BA with experience.
You're going to say you didn't say it, but what you're saying here is pitterpatter's aunt was poor because of the choices she made. She chose to be poor. Poor people choose poverty. This is a gross comment.
No I didn’t and you did not read all my comments.
I've read them, and you seem to flip flop back and forth a lot. You said "we all make choices in our lives" in response to pitterpatter's aunt. Poor people must be so stupid. They could choose to have more. They just keep choosing to be poor. Wtf is wrong with them?? Don't they know there's a whole world of designer handbags out there they could choose to have if they weren't so stupid choosing to be poor??
Yes choices is something in our life that can determine how we live. Again I did say that sometimes circumstances are out of our control though. We don’t know PP aunt personally so we can’t really debate it. I do know people who were and are poor for many reasons. I only have designer bags because I saved for them and carry the same bag for years. So many people act and look rich who live on credit cards and have houses in foreclosure. Many by choice, many by circumstances. I am old so been around the block and have seen everything. I also live on a budget and while I don’t have to make a choice which bill to choose, which is a huge blessing, I know many who do for many reasons. We all hope everyone can afford to live in safe and comfortable places. Unfortunately that will never happen and you will always have that person who will do the bare minimum and the person who will work a ton of jobs and hustle so they can have more in life. This is an individual issue.
What in the actual hell does ANY of this have to do with raising the minimum wage to a respectable level so that it is more in line with inflation and COL?????
Why is it SO upsetting to you that hard working people who are barely getting by will make a few extra bucks? You do not make any sense in this thread whatsoever.
Once again I have no problem with people making more money.
Yes, you do.
Go back and read ALL of your comments. You CLEALY take issue with minimum wage workers, an increase for them is somehow "not fair" to you.
Once again you are twisting my words to make me look like the bad person.
Would it be fair if a college grad at 21 came into your husbands job and started making the same amount of money he makes after many years of working his way up? You said this in the other thread that many deserve what they make and that is exactly what I also have been saying. I don’t think people should live in poverty and I am much closer to minimum wage than you will ever be so why would I disagree with it?
Yes, me and the other 5-6 people who are telling you the same thing are all getting it wrong. Ok. lol
Just because you have a lower paying job doesn't mean that others should be kept down and minimum wage remain stagnant.
Like you keep telling everyone, maybe you need to just "work harder" so you can make more. Or get a new job. Or ask for a raise. What you do NOT get to do is keep others barely above the poverty line because it isn't "fair" to you.
You never answered my question. Seems we know it though from the other thread. You and your husband wouldn’t like if someone with no experience came in and got your husbands title and same pay. So why is that different than anyone else?
Here is the point that you are missing in all of this. Minimum wage has to land somewhere and if a person is above minimum wage but also on the very low end of the pay scale then guess what? There is a good chance that minimum wage will at some point come very close to or maybe even equal low end salaries. That, of course, doesn't mean that minimum wage should never be increased, perhaps it means someone like you just needs a better paying job.
To answer your odd question, which really isn't a good example of what we are even talking about, someone with no experience cannot walk into an executive level position. It's not how the world works. But to try and make your example somewhat applicable, if at some point the Director level salary (which is under my DH) started to come close to my DH's salary as VP then he would either talk to his employer about a raise/cost of living increase OR he would consider another company with a better pay scale for his role, skills and experience. What he would NOT do is whine about the Director and the salary he is being paid because it is "not fair".
As you keep telling everyone, "we all have choices to make" so if your salary is a disappointment to you then maybe you need to make a CHOICE to find a better paying job instead of whining about what others are being paid.
Wait. You mean to tell me he wouldn't pout and stomp his foot and try to explain away why the director doesn't deserve an increase and should've made better life and financial choices?
VB, do you know why corporate culture keeps salaries a huge hush hush secret never to be revealed or spoken about? Do you know why HR very rarely posts a salary or range on job ads? Who does this ambiguity benefit?
Also, how far down the rabbit hole do people have to follow you? Min wage workers getting a wage increase would somehow threaten executive positions and VPs need to worry about people with no experience stealing their job because min workers are being paid more?? Lol
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Hofstra26
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Re: Biden's 1.9 Trillion Dollar Plan
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Mrs213
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by MC09
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by MC09
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by PitterPatter11
I think people do not really know what it is like to be part of the working poor. Honestly I do not either but I have family members who fall into this category. Most of these people are the hardest working people you’ll ever meet. My aunt one year donated to her kids’ food drive and then wound up being the receipent of the food basket. She had nothing but always wanted to help out people who were needier than her. When I told her I was pregnant after dealing with IF for years, she bought me a few baby things from dollar general. People like this deserve to be able to earn enough money to live a decent life. Unfortunately, she has since passed away from cancer. She never owned a car or home. She never went on a vacation. She never got her nails done or her haircut. I think many people in the working poor category are living a life like this. They’re not trying to keep up, they’re trying to survive.
That’s why I advocate for $20+ an hour.
The majority of people don’t have enough in savings to cover a sudden emergency.
The majority of people in America make about $47k a year.
It’s unacceptable.
There’s enough for everyone. There needs to be wealth redistribution.
Read the story above and you will see why this won’t work
Actually my story was to say that if my aunt and her husband were both earning $20/hour they could’ve afforded things that everyday people consider normal like haircut. Instead they were straddling the poverty line for her entire life.
It is very sad and we all make choices in our lives. I could have continued with more college and I have gotten jobs that require a BA with experience.
You're going to say you didn't say it, but what you're saying here is pitterpatter's aunt was poor because of the choices she made. She chose to be poor. Poor people choose poverty. This is a gross comment.
No I didn’t and you did not read all my comments.
I've read them, and you seem to flip flop back and forth a lot. You said "we all make choices in our lives" in response to pitterpatter's aunt. Poor people must be so stupid. They could choose to have more. They just keep choosing to be poor. Wtf is wrong with them?? Don't they know there's a whole world of designer handbags out there they could choose to have if they weren't so stupid choosing to be poor??
Yes choices is something in our life that can determine how we live. Again I did say that sometimes circumstances are out of our control though. We don’t know PP aunt personally so we can’t really debate it. I do know people who were and are poor for many reasons. I only have designer bags because I saved for them and carry the same bag for years. So many people act and look rich who live on credit cards and have houses in foreclosure. Many by choice, many by circumstances. I am old so been around the block and have seen everything. I also live on a budget and while I don’t have to make a choice which bill to choose, which is a huge blessing, I know many who do for many reasons. We all hope everyone can afford to live in safe and comfortable places. Unfortunately that will never happen and you will always have that person who will do the bare minimum and the person who will work a ton of jobs and hustle so they can have more in life. This is an individual issue.
What in the actual hell does ANY of this have to do with raising the minimum wage to a respectable level so that it is more in line with inflation and COL?????
Why is it SO upsetting to you that hard working people who are barely getting by will make a few extra bucks? You do not make any sense in this thread whatsoever.
Once again I have no problem with people making more money.
Yes, you do.
Go back and read ALL of your comments. You CLEALY take issue with minimum wage workers, an increase for them is somehow "not fair" to you.
Once again you are twisting my words to make me look like the bad person.
Would it be fair if a college grad at 21 came into your husbands job and started making the same amount of money he makes after many years of working his way up? You said this in the other thread that many deserve what they make and that is exactly what I also have been saying. I don’t think people should live in poverty and I am much closer to minimum wage than you will ever be so why would I disagree with it?
Yes, me and the other 5-6 people who are telling you the same thing are all getting it wrong. Ok. lol
Just because you have a lower paying job doesn't mean that others should be kept down and minimum wage remain stagnant.
Like you keep telling everyone, maybe you need to just "work harder" so you can make more. Or get a new job. Or ask for a raise. What you do NOT get to do is keep others barely above the poverty line because it isn't "fair" to you.
You never answered my question. Seems we know it though from the other thread. You and your husband wouldn’t like if someone with no experience came in and got your husbands title and same pay. So why is that different than anyone else?
You sound like you are trouble processing basic facts of this argument. We are talking about min wage workers being able to pay their rent and put food on the table. Obviously many companies are looking for a certain skill set and experience and will continue to do so. You are making it sound like they are just going to start hiring people with no experience just because minimum wage goes up. How does that make any sense? Nothing you are saying here is sensible...
Why would people want to work in high stressful jobs when they can be a greeter at Walmart for $20/hour? Funny as I ran to Walmart today and the woman at the door was a lovely older woman. Not sure her pay but my cashier was talking about the raise to $15 and how they get checks of $200 every other month for working through Covid. She said this is the best job as there is no stress and good money.
So go be a f#$kin greeter at Walmart and shut up already. Jesus Christ with you.
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Mrs213
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Re: Biden's 1.9 Trillion Dollar Plan
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Mrs213
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by MC09
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by MC09
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by PitterPatter11
I think people do not really know what it is like to be part of the working poor. Honestly I do not either but I have family members who fall into this category. Most of these people are the hardest working people you’ll ever meet. My aunt one year donated to her kids’ food drive and then wound up being the receipent of the food basket. She had nothing but always wanted to help out people who were needier than her. When I told her I was pregnant after dealing with IF for years, she bought me a few baby things from dollar general. People like this deserve to be able to earn enough money to live a decent life. Unfortunately, she has since passed away from cancer. She never owned a car or home. She never went on a vacation. She never got her nails done or her haircut. I think many people in the working poor category are living a life like this. They’re not trying to keep up, they’re trying to survive.
That’s why I advocate for $20+ an hour.
The majority of people don’t have enough in savings to cover a sudden emergency.
The majority of people in America make about $47k a year.
It’s unacceptable.
There’s enough for everyone. There needs to be wealth redistribution.
Read the story above and you will see why this won’t work
Actually my story was to say that if my aunt and her husband were both earning $20/hour they could’ve afforded things that everyday people consider normal like haircut. Instead they were straddling the poverty line for her entire life.
It is very sad and we all make choices in our lives. I could have continued with more college and I have gotten jobs that require a BA with experience.
You're going to say you didn't say it, but what you're saying here is pitterpatter's aunt was poor because of the choices she made. She chose to be poor. Poor people choose poverty. This is a gross comment.
No I didn’t and you did not read all my comments.
I've read them, and you seem to flip flop back and forth a lot. You said "we all make choices in our lives" in response to pitterpatter's aunt. Poor people must be so stupid. They could choose to have more. They just keep choosing to be poor. Wtf is wrong with them?? Don't they know there's a whole world of designer handbags out there they could choose to have if they weren't so stupid choosing to be poor??
Yes choices is something in our life that can determine how we live. Again I did say that sometimes circumstances are out of our control though. We don’t know PP aunt personally so we can’t really debate it. I do know people who were and are poor for many reasons. I only have designer bags because I saved for them and carry the same bag for years. So many people act and look rich who live on credit cards and have houses in foreclosure. Many by choice, many by circumstances. I am old so been around the block and have seen everything. I also live on a budget and while I don’t have to make a choice which bill to choose, which is a huge blessing, I know many who do for many reasons. We all hope everyone can afford to live in safe and comfortable places. Unfortunately that will never happen and you will always have that person who will do the bare minimum and the person who will work a ton of jobs and hustle so they can have more in life. This is an individual issue.
What in the actual hell does ANY of this have to do with raising the minimum wage to a respectable level so that it is more in line with inflation and COL?????
Why is it SO upsetting to you that hard working people who are barely getting by will make a few extra bucks? You do not make any sense in this thread whatsoever.
Once again I have no problem with people making more money.
Yes, you do.
Go back and read ALL of your comments. You CLEALY take issue with minimum wage workers, an increase for them is somehow "not fair" to you.
Once again you are twisting my words to make me look like the bad person.
Would it be fair if a college grad at 21 came into your husbands job and started making the same amount of money he makes after many years of working his way up? You said this in the other thread that many deserve what they make and that is exactly what I also have been saying. I don’t think people should live in poverty and I am much closer to minimum wage than you will ever be so why would I disagree with it?
Yes, me and the other 5-6 people who are telling you the same thing are all getting it wrong. Ok. lol
Just because you have a lower paying job doesn't mean that others should be kept down and minimum wage remain stagnant.
Like you keep telling everyone, maybe you need to just "work harder" so you can make more. Or get a new job. Or ask for a raise. What you do NOT get to do is keep others barely above the poverty line because it isn't "fair" to you.
You never answered my question. Seems we know it though from the other thread. You and your husband wouldn’t like if someone with no experience came in and got your husbands title and same pay. So why is that different than anyone else?
You sound like you are trouble processing basic facts of this argument. We are talking about min wage workers being able to pay their rent and put food on the table. Obviously many companies are looking for a certain skill set and experience and will continue to do so. You are making it sound like they are just going to start hiring people with no experience just because minimum wage goes up. How does that make any sense? Nothing you are saying here is sensible...
Why would people want to work in high stressful jobs when they can be a greeter at Walmart for $20/hour? Funny as I ran to Walmart today and the woman at the door was a lovely older woman. Not sure her pay but my cashier was talking about the raise to $15 and how they get checks of $200 every other month for working through Covid. She said this is the best job as there is no stress and good money.
First of all I read min wage is going to $15 not $20. Most high stress jobs are making well above $20. Not to mention benefits and paid time off. If it reaches $20 let me know how many teachers and corporate execs quit to go work as greeters at walmart part time with no vacation days or health insurance. And please go out and talk to them. Make sure you take a decent sample of walmart and target workers outside of the picturesque store in Setauket or wherever...
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Re: Biden's 1.9 Trillion Dollar Plan
Posted by MC09
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
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Posted by MC09
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Posted by PitterPatter11
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Posted by BFNY516
Posted by PitterPatter11
I think people do not really know what it is like to be part of the working poor. Honestly I do not either but I have family members who fall into this category. Most of these people are the hardest working people you’ll ever meet. My aunt one year donated to her kids’ food drive and then wound up being the receipent of the food basket. She had nothing but always wanted to help out people who were needier than her. When I told her I was pregnant after dealing with IF for years, she bought me a few baby things from dollar general. People like this deserve to be able to earn enough money to live a decent life. Unfortunately, she has since passed away from cancer. She never owned a car or home. She never went on a vacation. She never got her nails done or her haircut. I think many people in the working poor category are living a life like this. They’re not trying to keep up, they’re trying to survive.
That’s why I advocate for $20+ an hour.
The majority of people don’t have enough in savings to cover a sudden emergency.
The majority of people in America make about $47k a year.
It’s unacceptable.
There’s enough for everyone. There needs to be wealth redistribution.
Read the story above and you will see why this won’t work
Actually my story was to say that if my aunt and her husband were both earning $20/hour they could’ve afforded things that everyday people consider normal like haircut. Instead they were straddling the poverty line for her entire life.
It is very sad and we all make choices in our lives. I could have continued with more college and I have gotten jobs that require a BA with experience.
You're going to say you didn't say it, but what you're saying here is pitterpatter's aunt was poor because of the choices she made. She chose to be poor. Poor people choose poverty. This is a gross comment.
No I didn’t and you did not read all my comments.
I've read them, and you seem to flip flop back and forth a lot. You said "we all make choices in our lives" in response to pitterpatter's aunt. Poor people must be so stupid. They could choose to have more. They just keep choosing to be poor. Wtf is wrong with them?? Don't they know there's a whole world of designer handbags out there they could choose to have if they weren't so stupid choosing to be poor??
Yes choices is something in our life that can determine how we live. Again I did say that sometimes circumstances are out of our control though. We don’t know PP aunt personally so we can’t really debate it. I do know people who were and are poor for many reasons. I only have designer bags because I saved for them and carry the same bag for years. So many people act and look rich who live on credit cards and have houses in foreclosure. Many by choice, many by circumstances. I am old so been around the block and have seen everything. I also live on a budget and while I don’t have to make a choice which bill to choose, which is a huge blessing, I know many who do for many reasons. We all hope everyone can afford to live in safe and comfortable places. Unfortunately that will never happen and you will always have that person who will do the bare minimum and the person who will work a ton of jobs and hustle so they can have more in life. This is an individual issue.
What in the actual hell does ANY of this have to do with raising the minimum wage to a respectable level so that it is more in line with inflation and COL?????
Why is it SO upsetting to you that hard working people who are barely getting by will make a few extra bucks? You do not make any sense in this thread whatsoever.
Once again I have no problem with people making more money.
Yes, you do.
Go back and read ALL of your comments. You CLEALY take issue with minimum wage workers, an increase for them is somehow "not fair" to you.
Once again you are twisting my words to make me look like the bad person.
Would it be fair if a college grad at 21 came into your husbands job and started making the same amount of money he makes after many years of working his way up? You said this in the other thread that many deserve what they make and that is exactly what I also have been saying. I don’t think people should live in poverty and I am much closer to minimum wage than you will ever be so why would I disagree with it?
Yes, me and the other 5-6 people who are telling you the same thing are all getting it wrong. Ok. lol
Just because you have a lower paying job doesn't mean that others should be kept down and minimum wage remain stagnant.
Like you keep telling everyone, maybe you need to just "work harder" so you can make more. Or get a new job. Or ask for a raise. What you do NOT get to do is keep others barely above the poverty line because it isn't "fair" to you.
You never answered my question. Seems we know it though from the other thread. You and your husband wouldn’t like if someone with no experience came in and got your husbands title and same pay. So why is that different than anyone else?
Here is the point that you are missing in all of this. Minimum wage has to land somewhere and if a person is above minimum wage but also on the very low end of the pay scale then guess what? There is a good chance that minimum wage will at some point come very close to or maybe even equal low end salaries. That, of course, doesn't mean that minimum wage should never be increased, perhaps it means someone like you just needs a better paying job.
To answer your odd question, which really isn't a good example of what we are even talking about, someone with no experience cannot walk into an executive level position. It's not how the world works. But to try and make your example somewhat applicable, if at some point the Director level salary (which is under my DH) started to come close to my DH's salary as VP then he would either talk to his employer about a raise/cost of living increase OR he would consider another company with a better pay scale for his role, skills and experience. What he would NOT do is whine about the Director and the salary he is being paid because it is "not fair".
As you keep telling everyone, "we all have choices to make" so if your salary is a disappointment to you then maybe you need to make a CHOICE to find a better paying job instead of whining about what others are being paid.
Wait. You mean to tell me he wouldn't pout and stomp his foot and try to explain away why the director doesn't deserve an increase and should've made better life and financial choices?
VB, do you know why corporate culture keeps salaries a huge hush hush secret never to be revealed or spoken about? Do you know why HR very rarely posts a salary or range on job ads? Who does this ambiguity benefit?
To your point about keeping things on the DL, in my DH's company while HR knows the executive salaries any information about the executive level compensation packages above base salary are kept from them. That information flows from corporate to the president to the individual executive employee. They do not want that information getting out into the company because it can cause issues with the lower level employees. The higher up you get, the more "secretive" they are about money matters, many things are shared at the executive level only and HR is cut out.
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Re: Biden's 1.9 Trillion Dollar Plan
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
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Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by MC09
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by MC09
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by PitterPatter11
I think people do not really know what it is like to be part of the working poor. Honestly I do not either but I have family members who fall into this category. Most of these people are the hardest working people you’ll ever meet. My aunt one year donated to her kids’ food drive and then wound up being the receipent of the food basket. She had nothing but always wanted to help out people who were needier than her. When I told her I was pregnant after dealing with IF for years, she bought me a few baby things from dollar general. People like this deserve to be able to earn enough money to live a decent life. Unfortunately, she has since passed away from cancer. She never owned a car or home. She never went on a vacation. She never got her nails done or her haircut. I think many people in the working poor category are living a life like this. They’re not trying to keep up, they’re trying to survive.
That’s why I advocate for $20+ an hour.
The majority of people don’t have enough in savings to cover a sudden emergency.
The majority of people in America make about $47k a year.
It’s unacceptable.
There’s enough for everyone. There needs to be wealth redistribution.
Read the story above and you will see why this won’t work
Actually my story was to say that if my aunt and her husband were both earning $20/hour they could’ve afforded things that everyday people consider normal like haircut. Instead they were straddling the poverty line for her entire life.
It is very sad and we all make choices in our lives. I could have continued with more college and I have gotten jobs that require a BA with experience.
You're going to say you didn't say it, but what you're saying here is pitterpatter's aunt was poor because of the choices she made. She chose to be poor. Poor people choose poverty. This is a gross comment.
No I didn’t and you did not read all my comments.
I've read them, and you seem to flip flop back and forth a lot. You said "we all make choices in our lives" in response to pitterpatter's aunt. Poor people must be so stupid. They could choose to have more. They just keep choosing to be poor. Wtf is wrong with them?? Don't they know there's a whole world of designer handbags out there they could choose to have if they weren't so stupid choosing to be poor??
Yes choices is something in our life that can determine how we live. Again I did say that sometimes circumstances are out of our control though. We don’t know PP aunt personally so we can’t really debate it. I do know people who were and are poor for many reasons. I only have designer bags because I saved for them and carry the same bag for years. So many people act and look rich who live on credit cards and have houses in foreclosure. Many by choice, many by circumstances. I am old so been around the block and have seen everything. I also live on a budget and while I don’t have to make a choice which bill to choose, which is a huge blessing, I know many who do for many reasons. We all hope everyone can afford to live in safe and comfortable places. Unfortunately that will never happen and you will always have that person who will do the bare minimum and the person who will work a ton of jobs and hustle so they can have more in life. This is an individual issue.
What in the actual hell does ANY of this have to do with raising the minimum wage to a respectable level so that it is more in line with inflation and COL?????
Why is it SO upsetting to you that hard working people who are barely getting by will make a few extra bucks? You do not make any sense in this thread whatsoever.
Once again I have no problem with people making more money.
Yes, you do.
Go back and read ALL of your comments. You CLEALY take issue with minimum wage workers, an increase for them is somehow "not fair" to you.
Once again you are twisting my words to make me look like the bad person.
Would it be fair if a college grad at 21 came into your husbands job and started making the same amount of money he makes after many years of working his way up? You said this in the other thread that many deserve what they make and that is exactly what I also have been saying. I don’t think people should live in poverty and I am much closer to minimum wage than you will ever be so why would I disagree with it?
Yes, me and the other 5-6 people who are telling you the same thing are all getting it wrong. Ok. lol
Just because you have a lower paying job doesn't mean that others should be kept down and minimum wage remain stagnant.
Like you keep telling everyone, maybe you need to just "work harder" so you can make more. Or get a new job. Or ask for a raise. What you do NOT get to do is keep others barely above the poverty line because it isn't "fair" to you.
You never answered my question. Seems we know it though from the other thread. You and your husband wouldn’t like if someone with no experience came in and got your husbands title and same pay. So why is that different than anyone else?
Here is the point that you are missing in all of this. Minimum wage has to land somewhere and if a person is above minimum wage but also on the very low end of the pay scale then guess what? There is a good chance that minimum wage will at some point come very close to or maybe even equal low end salaries. That, of course, doesn't mean that minimum wage should never be increased, perhaps it means someone like you just needs a better paying job.
To answer your odd question, which really isn't a good example of what we are even talking about, someone with no experience cannot walk into an executive level position. It's not how the world works. But to try and make your example somewhat applicable, if at some point the Director level salary (which is under my DH) started to come close to my DH's salary as VP then he would either talk to his employer about a raise/cost of living increase OR he would consider another company with a better pay scale for his role, skills and experience. What he would NOT do is whine about the Director and the salary he is being paid because it is "not fair".
As you keep telling everyone, "we all have choices to make" so if your salary is a disappointment to you then maybe you need to make a CHOICE to find a better paying job instead of whining about what others are being paid.
You keep making it all about me and you answered this perfectly on the other thread about working your way up. Entry level jobs are paid less because you usually do not have experience. Someone with experience should not be making the same or close to minimum wage. I am happy with my job right now and it pays the bills but if someone came in making the same with no experience after 30 + years of working and experience, no I would not be happy.
Funny how I just came about a huge thread on fb about this discussion and every single person mentioned how this will destroy the small businesses and they will have to close. Also how minimum wage jobs are entry level and not intended to be jobs to stay at forever. Most jobs you need a degree now to get and honestly the less money you make, the more you get in student loans and in many cases there is very little charge to get a degree. College is not out of reach for poor people anymore.
Here is my advice to you, get over it! Minimum wage will increase, as it should, and you will need to figure out your own situation. If you are happy with your job and you have what you need to pay the bills then stop concerning yourself with others and what they make. If not, find a better paying job because it you have over 30 years of experience and you are making that close to minimum wage than maybe it's time for a new path.
The rest of your comment is tone deaf and has been addressed by many others, you just refuse to listen.
You totally missed my point even though you said it right in your post about your own husband.
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Re: Biden's 1.9 Trillion Dollar Plan
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Mrs213
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by MC09
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by MC09
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by PitterPatter11
I think people do not really know what it is like to be part of the working poor. Honestly I do not either but I have family members who fall into this category. Most of these people are the hardest working people you’ll ever meet. My aunt one year donated to her kids’ food drive and then wound up being the receipent of the food basket. She had nothing but always wanted to help out people who were needier than her. When I told her I was pregnant after dealing with IF for years, she bought me a few baby things from dollar general. People like this deserve to be able to earn enough money to live a decent life. Unfortunately, she has since passed away from cancer. She never owned a car or home. She never went on a vacation. She never got her nails done or her haircut. I think many people in the working poor category are living a life like this. They’re not trying to keep up, they’re trying to survive.
That’s why I advocate for $20+ an hour.
The majority of people don’t have enough in savings to cover a sudden emergency.
The majority of people in America make about $47k a year.
It’s unacceptable.
There’s enough for everyone. There needs to be wealth redistribution.
Read the story above and you will see why this won’t work
Actually my story was to say that if my aunt and her husband were both earning $20/hour they could’ve afforded things that everyday people consider normal like haircut. Instead they were straddling the poverty line for her entire life.
It is very sad and we all make choices in our lives. I could have continued with more college and I have gotten jobs that require a BA with experience.
You're going to say you didn't say it, but what you're saying here is pitterpatter's aunt was poor because of the choices she made. She chose to be poor. Poor people choose poverty. This is a gross comment.
No I didn’t and you did not read all my comments.
I've read them, and you seem to flip flop back and forth a lot. You said "we all make choices in our lives" in response to pitterpatter's aunt. Poor people must be so stupid. They could choose to have more. They just keep choosing to be poor. Wtf is wrong with them?? Don't they know there's a whole world of designer handbags out there they could choose to have if they weren't so stupid choosing to be poor??
Yes choices is something in our life that can determine how we live. Again I did say that sometimes circumstances are out of our control though. We don’t know PP aunt personally so we can’t really debate it. I do know people who were and are poor for many reasons. I only have designer bags because I saved for them and carry the same bag for years. So many people act and look rich who live on credit cards and have houses in foreclosure. Many by choice, many by circumstances. I am old so been around the block and have seen everything. I also live on a budget and while I don’t have to make a choice which bill to choose, which is a huge blessing, I know many who do for many reasons. We all hope everyone can afford to live in safe and comfortable places. Unfortunately that will never happen and you will always have that person who will do the bare minimum and the person who will work a ton of jobs and hustle so they can have more in life. This is an individual issue.
What in the actual hell does ANY of this have to do with raising the minimum wage to a respectable level so that it is more in line with inflation and COL?????
Why is it SO upsetting to you that hard working people who are barely getting by will make a few extra bucks? You do not make any sense in this thread whatsoever.
Once again I have no problem with people making more money.
Yes, you do.
Go back and read ALL of your comments. You CLEALY take issue with minimum wage workers, an increase for them is somehow "not fair" to you.
Once again you are twisting my words to make me look like the bad person.
Would it be fair if a college grad at 21 came into your husbands job and started making the same amount of money he makes after many years of working his way up? You said this in the other thread that many deserve what they make and that is exactly what I also have been saying. I don’t think people should live in poverty and I am much closer to minimum wage than you will ever be so why would I disagree with it?
Yes, me and the other 5-6 people who are telling you the same thing are all getting it wrong. Ok. lol
Just because you have a lower paying job doesn't mean that others should be kept down and minimum wage remain stagnant.
Like you keep telling everyone, maybe you need to just "work harder" so you can make more. Or get a new job. Or ask for a raise. What you do NOT get to do is keep others barely above the poverty line because it isn't "fair" to you.
You never answered my question. Seems we know it though from the other thread. You and your husband wouldn’t like if someone with no experience came in and got your husbands title and same pay. So why is that different than anyone else?
You sound like you are trouble processing basic facts of this argument. We are talking about min wage workers being able to pay their rent and put food on the table. Obviously many companies are looking for a certain skill set and experience and will continue to do so. You are making it sound like they are just going to start hiring people with no experience just because minimum wage goes up. How does that make any sense? Nothing you are saying here is sensible...
Why would people want to work in high stressful jobs when they can be a greeter at Walmart for $20/hour? Funny as I ran to Walmart today and the woman at the door was a lovely older woman. Not sure her pay but my cashier was talking about the raise to $15 and how they get checks of $200 every other month for working through Covid. She said this is the best job as there is no stress and good money.
So go be a f#$kin greeter at Walmart and shut up already. Jesus Christ with you.
You really are just a mean girl that never left high school.
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Re: Biden's 1.9 Trillion Dollar Plan
Posted by Mrs213
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Mrs213
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by MC09
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by MC09
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by PitterPatter11
I think people do not really know what it is like to be part of the working poor. Honestly I do not either but I have family members who fall into this category. Most of these people are the hardest working people you’ll ever meet. My aunt one year donated to her kids’ food drive and then wound up being the receipent of the food basket. She had nothing but always wanted to help out people who were needier than her. When I told her I was pregnant after dealing with IF for years, she bought me a few baby things from dollar general. People like this deserve to be able to earn enough money to live a decent life. Unfortunately, she has since passed away from cancer. She never owned a car or home. She never went on a vacation. She never got her nails done or her haircut. I think many people in the working poor category are living a life like this. They’re not trying to keep up, they’re trying to survive.
That’s why I advocate for $20+ an hour.
The majority of people don’t have enough in savings to cover a sudden emergency.
The majority of people in America make about $47k a year.
It’s unacceptable.
There’s enough for everyone. There needs to be wealth redistribution.
Read the story above and you will see why this won’t work
Actually my story was to say that if my aunt and her husband were both earning $20/hour they could’ve afforded things that everyday people consider normal like haircut. Instead they were straddling the poverty line for her entire life.
It is very sad and we all make choices in our lives. I could have continued with more college and I have gotten jobs that require a BA with experience.
You're going to say you didn't say it, but what you're saying here is pitterpatter's aunt was poor because of the choices she made. She chose to be poor. Poor people choose poverty. This is a gross comment.
No I didn’t and you did not read all my comments.
I've read them, and you seem to flip flop back and forth a lot. You said "we all make choices in our lives" in response to pitterpatter's aunt. Poor people must be so stupid. They could choose to have more. They just keep choosing to be poor. Wtf is wrong with them?? Don't they know there's a whole world of designer handbags out there they could choose to have if they weren't so stupid choosing to be poor??
Yes choices is something in our life that can determine how we live. Again I did say that sometimes circumstances are out of our control though. We don’t know PP aunt personally so we can’t really debate it. I do know people who were and are poor for many reasons. I only have designer bags because I saved for them and carry the same bag for years. So many people act and look rich who live on credit cards and have houses in foreclosure. Many by choice, many by circumstances. I am old so been around the block and have seen everything. I also live on a budget and while I don’t have to make a choice which bill to choose, which is a huge blessing, I know many who do for many reasons. We all hope everyone can afford to live in safe and comfortable places. Unfortunately that will never happen and you will always have that person who will do the bare minimum and the person who will work a ton of jobs and hustle so they can have more in life. This is an individual issue.
What in the actual hell does ANY of this have to do with raising the minimum wage to a respectable level so that it is more in line with inflation and COL?????
Why is it SO upsetting to you that hard working people who are barely getting by will make a few extra bucks? You do not make any sense in this thread whatsoever.
Once again I have no problem with people making more money.
Yes, you do.
Go back and read ALL of your comments. You CLEALY take issue with minimum wage workers, an increase for them is somehow "not fair" to you.
Once again you are twisting my words to make me look like the bad person.
Would it be fair if a college grad at 21 came into your husbands job and started making the same amount of money he makes after many years of working his way up? You said this in the other thread that many deserve what they make and that is exactly what I also have been saying. I don’t think people should live in poverty and I am much closer to minimum wage than you will ever be so why would I disagree with it?
Yes, me and the other 5-6 people who are telling you the same thing are all getting it wrong. Ok. lol
Just because you have a lower paying job doesn't mean that others should be kept down and minimum wage remain stagnant.
Like you keep telling everyone, maybe you need to just "work harder" so you can make more. Or get a new job. Or ask for a raise. What you do NOT get to do is keep others barely above the poverty line because it isn't "fair" to you.
You never answered my question. Seems we know it though from the other thread. You and your husband wouldn’t like if someone with no experience came in and got your husbands title and same pay. So why is that different than anyone else?
You sound like you are trouble processing basic facts of this argument. We are talking about min wage workers being able to pay their rent and put food on the table. Obviously many companies are looking for a certain skill set and experience and will continue to do so. You are making it sound like they are just going to start hiring people with no experience just because minimum wage goes up. How does that make any sense? Nothing you are saying here is sensible...
Why would people want to work in high stressful jobs when they can be a greeter at Walmart for $20/hour? Funny as I ran to Walmart today and the woman at the door was a lovely older woman. Not sure her pay but my cashier was talking about the raise to $15 and how they get checks of $200 every other month for working through Covid. She said this is the best job as there is no stress and good money.
First of all I read min wage is going to $15 not $20. Most high stress jobs are making well above $20. Not to mention benefits and paid time off. If it reaches $20 let me know how many teachers and corporate execs quit to go work as greeters at walmart part time with no vacation days or health insurance. And please go out and talk to them. Make sure you take a decent sample of walmart and target workers outside of the picturesque store in Setauket or wherever...
The $20 was from OPs who mentioned that. Didn’t know stress levels also come at a certain number. Many part time jobs do offer vacation and health insurance. Maybe talk to people who are below you on pay and status and you will learn something.
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Re: Biden's 1.9 Trillion Dollar Plan
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by MC09
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by MC09
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by MC09
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by PitterPatter11
I think people do not really know what it is like to be part of the working poor. Honestly I do not either but I have family members who fall into this category. Most of these people are the hardest working people you’ll ever meet. My aunt one year donated to her kids’ food drive and then wound up being the receipent of the food basket. She had nothing but always wanted to help out people who were needier than her. When I told her I was pregnant after dealing with IF for years, she bought me a few baby things from dollar general. People like this deserve to be able to earn enough money to live a decent life. Unfortunately, she has since passed away from cancer. She never owned a car or home. She never went on a vacation. She never got her nails done or her haircut. I think many people in the working poor category are living a life like this. They’re not trying to keep up, they’re trying to survive.
That’s why I advocate for $20+ an hour.
The majority of people don’t have enough in savings to cover a sudden emergency.
The majority of people in America make about $47k a year.
It’s unacceptable.
There’s enough for everyone. There needs to be wealth redistribution.
Read the story above and you will see why this won’t work
Actually my story was to say that if my aunt and her husband were both earning $20/hour they could’ve afforded things that everyday people consider normal like haircut. Instead they were straddling the poverty line for her entire life.
It is very sad and we all make choices in our lives. I could have continued with more college and I have gotten jobs that require a BA with experience.
You're going to say you didn't say it, but what you're saying here is pitterpatter's aunt was poor because of the choices she made. She chose to be poor. Poor people choose poverty. This is a gross comment.
No I didn’t and you did not read all my comments.
I've read them, and you seem to flip flop back and forth a lot. You said "we all make choices in our lives" in response to pitterpatter's aunt. Poor people must be so stupid. They could choose to have more. They just keep choosing to be poor. Wtf is wrong with them?? Don't they know there's a whole world of designer handbags out there they could choose to have if they weren't so stupid choosing to be poor??
Yes choices is something in our life that can determine how we live. Again I did say that sometimes circumstances are out of our control though. We don’t know PP aunt personally so we can’t really debate it. I do know people who were and are poor for many reasons. I only have designer bags because I saved for them and carry the same bag for years. So many people act and look rich who live on credit cards and have houses in foreclosure. Many by choice, many by circumstances. I am old so been around the block and have seen everything. I also live on a budget and while I don’t have to make a choice which bill to choose, which is a huge blessing, I know many who do for many reasons. We all hope everyone can afford to live in safe and comfortable places. Unfortunately that will never happen and you will always have that person who will do the bare minimum and the person who will work a ton of jobs and hustle so they can have more in life. This is an individual issue.
What in the actual hell does ANY of this have to do with raising the minimum wage to a respectable level so that it is more in line with inflation and COL?????
Why is it SO upsetting to you that hard working people who are barely getting by will make a few extra bucks? You do not make any sense in this thread whatsoever.
Once again I have no problem with people making more money.
Yes, you do.
Go back and read ALL of your comments. You CLEALY take issue with minimum wage workers, an increase for them is somehow "not fair" to you.
Once again you are twisting my words to make me look like the bad person.
Would it be fair if a college grad at 21 came into your husbands job and started making the same amount of money he makes after many years of working his way up? You said this in the other thread that many deserve what they make and that is exactly what I also have been saying. I don’t think people should live in poverty and I am much closer to minimum wage than you will ever be so why would I disagree with it?
Yes, me and the other 5-6 people who are telling you the same thing are all getting it wrong. Ok. lol
Just because you have a lower paying job doesn't mean that others should be kept down and minimum wage remain stagnant.
Like you keep telling everyone, maybe you need to just "work harder" so you can make more. Or get a new job. Or ask for a raise. What you do NOT get to do is keep others barely above the poverty line because it isn't "fair" to you.
You never answered my question. Seems we know it though from the other thread. You and your husband wouldn’t like if someone with no experience came in and got your husbands title and same pay. So why is that different than anyone else?
Here is the point that you are missing in all of this. Minimum wage has to land somewhere and if a person is above minimum wage but also on the very low end of the pay scale then guess what? There is a good chance that minimum wage will at some point come very close to or maybe even equal low end salaries. That, of course, doesn't mean that minimum wage should never be increased, perhaps it means someone like you just needs a better paying job.
To answer your odd question, which really isn't a good example of what we are even talking about, someone with no experience cannot walk into an executive level position. It's not how the world works. But to try and make your example somewhat applicable, if at some point the Director level salary (which is under my DH) started to come close to my DH's salary as VP then he would either talk to his employer about a raise/cost of living increase OR he would consider another company with a better pay scale for his role, skills and experience. What he would NOT do is whine about the Director and the salary he is being paid because it is "not fair".
As you keep telling everyone, "we all have choices to make" so if your salary is a disappointment to you then maybe you need to make a CHOICE to find a better paying job instead of whining about what others are being paid.
Wait. You mean to tell me he wouldn't pout and stomp his foot and try to explain away why the director doesn't deserve an increase and should've made better life and financial choices?
VB, do you know why corporate culture keeps salaries a huge hush hush secret never to be revealed or spoken about? Do you know why HR very rarely posts a salary or range on job ads? Who does this ambiguity benefit?
To your point about keeping things on the DL, in my DH's company while HR knows the executive salaries any information about the executive level compensation packages above base salary are kept from them. That information flows from corporate to the president to the individual executive employee. They do not want that information getting out into the company because it can cause issues with the lower level employees. The higher up you get, the more "secretive" they are about money matters, many things are shared at the executive level only and HR is cut out.
Public companies have all that info out and many companies you can see that even if they are private. I can see what many higher ups in my company make.
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Re: Biden's 1.9 Trillion Dollar Plan
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I think people do not really know what it is like to be part of the working poor. Honestly I do not either but I have family members who fall into this category. Most of these people are the hardest working people you’ll ever meet. My aunt one year donated to her kids’ food drive and then wound up being the receipent of the food basket. She had nothing but always wanted to help out people who were needier than her. When I told her I was pregnant after dealing with IF for years, she bought me a few baby things from dollar general. People like this deserve to be able to earn enough money to live a decent life. Unfortunately, she has since passed away from cancer. She never owned a car or home. She never went on a vacation. She never got her nails done or her haircut. I think many people in the working poor category are living a life like this. They’re not trying to keep up, they’re trying to survive.
That’s why I advocate for $20+ an hour.
The majority of people don’t have enough in savings to cover a sudden emergency.
The majority of people in America make about $47k a year.
It’s unacceptable.
There’s enough for everyone. There needs to be wealth redistribution.
Read the story above and you will see why this won’t work
Actually my story was to say that if my aunt and her husband were both earning $20/hour they could’ve afforded things that everyday people consider normal like haircut. Instead they were straddling the poverty line for her entire life.
It is very sad and we all make choices in our lives. I could have continued with more college and I have gotten jobs that require a BA with experience.
You're going to say you didn't say it, but what you're saying here is pitterpatter's aunt was poor because of the choices she made. She chose to be poor. Poor people choose poverty. This is a gross comment.
No I didn’t and you did not read all my comments.
I've read them, and you seem to flip flop back and forth a lot. You said "we all make choices in our lives" in response to pitterpatter's aunt. Poor people must be so stupid. They could choose to have more. They just keep choosing to be poor. Wtf is wrong with them?? Don't they know there's a whole world of designer handbags out there they could choose to have if they weren't so stupid choosing to be poor??
Yes choices is something in our life that can determine how we live. Again I did say that sometimes circumstances are out of our control though. We don’t know PP aunt personally so we can’t really debate it. I do know people who were and are poor for many reasons. I only have designer bags because I saved for them and carry the same bag for years. So many people act and look rich who live on credit cards and have houses in foreclosure. Many by choice, many by circumstances. I am old so been around the block and have seen everything. I also live on a budget and while I don’t have to make a choice which bill to choose, which is a huge blessing, I know many who do for many reasons. We all hope everyone can afford to live in safe and comfortable places. Unfortunately that will never happen and you will always have that person who will do the bare minimum and the person who will work a ton of jobs and hustle so they can have more in life. This is an individual issue.
What in the actual hell does ANY of this have to do with raising the minimum wage to a respectable level so that it is more in line with inflation and COL?????
Why is it SO upsetting to you that hard working people who are barely getting by will make a few extra bucks? You do not make any sense in this thread whatsoever.
Once again I have no problem with people making more money.
Yes, you do.
Go back and read ALL of your comments. You CLEALY take issue with minimum wage workers, an increase for them is somehow "not fair" to you.
Once again you are twisting my words to make me look like the bad person.
Would it be fair if a college grad at 21 came into your husbands job and started making the same amount of money he makes after many years of working his way up? You said this in the other thread that many deserve what they make and that is exactly what I also have been saying. I don’t think people should live in poverty and I am much closer to minimum wage than you will ever be so why would I disagree with it?
Yes, me and the other 5-6 people who are telling you the same thing are all getting it wrong. Ok. lol
Just because you have a lower paying job doesn't mean that others should be kept down and minimum wage remain stagnant.
Like you keep telling everyone, maybe you need to just "work harder" so you can make more. Or get a new job. Or ask for a raise. What you do NOT get to do is keep others barely above the poverty line because it isn't "fair" to you.
You never answered my question. Seems we know it though from the other thread. You and your husband wouldn’t like if someone with no experience came in and got your husbands title and same pay. So why is that different than anyone else?
You sound like you are trouble processing basic facts of this argument. We are talking about min wage workers being able to pay their rent and put food on the table. Obviously many companies are looking for a certain skill set and experience and will continue to do so. You are making it sound like they are just going to start hiring people with no experience just because minimum wage goes up. How does that make any sense? Nothing you are saying here is sensible...
Why would people want to work in high stressful jobs when they can be a greeter at Walmart for $20/hour? Funny as I ran to Walmart today and the woman at the door was a lovely older woman. Not sure her pay but my cashier was talking about the raise to $15 and how they get checks of $200 every other month for working through Covid. She said this is the best job as there is no stress and good money.
First of all I read min wage is going to $15 not $20. Most high stress jobs are making well above $20. Not to mention benefits and paid time off. If it reaches $20 let me know how many teachers and corporate execs quit to go work as greeters at walmart part time with no vacation days or health insurance. And please go out and talk to them. Make sure you take a decent sample of walmart and target workers outside of the picturesque store in Setauket or wherever...
The $20 was from OPs who mentioned that. Didn’t know stress levels also come at a certain number. Many part time jobs do offer vacation and health insurance. Maybe talk to people who are below you on pay and status and you will learn something.
I talk to people who are below me on pay daily as is part of my job. I work with a vulnerable population. But I would never consider them as a lower "status." I look at them as human beings because that is what they are and this may be part of the reason I have the beliefs. Your attitude is part of the problem but think you may also have a mental condition though so you might benefit from some services for that...
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Re: Biden's 1.9 Trillion Dollar Plan
Regarding the Walmart greeter you seem to obsess about. Sure, some people would apply to be a greeter. I can see many elderly, retired, or disabled people wanting to work as greeters. Maybe some retired people would NEED that lowly lowly (to YOU) job to pay for their expensive prescriptions?? Maybe SS isn't sufficient and they need help making ends meet. Maybe some young people would apply too. Every one applying will have a different situation. You seem to think they're not deserving of a fair wage because their job is to be the face of the company and greet people at the door. It's fluff. It's beneath other jobs.
But not everyone will be content with working as a greeter. Some people might want to earn more than whatever the min will be raised to. You think raising the min wage will keep people from wanting better. It doesn't work that way. Lots of people will still have goals in life. Raising min wage isn't going to suddenly eliminate type A personalities. Maybe you would be content with it, and there is nothing wrong with that. But not everyone is you. What you're saying is the college student working as a Walmart greeter while they earn their degree doesn't deserve a livable wage to pay tuition, books, basic living expenses, gas for commuting or a bus pass, until they've "made it". No, they need to slave away at 4 jobs to pay for these things so they (or rather YOU) can feel like they really earned it, really "paid their dues".
Personally, I question the need for a greeter. I don't need someone to stand at the entrance to greet me. But that is not my decision to make. I am not Walmart management. But if Walmart management decides they want a greeter standing on their feet all day at the door then WALMART NEEDS TO PAY THEM A FAIR WAGE.
Btw what is this fallacy of yours that all low paying jobs are easy to perform and without stress?
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Re: Biden's 1.9 Trillion Dollar Plan
Posted by Mrs213
Posted by valentinesbaby48
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Posted by Hofstra26
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Posted by MC09
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Posted by MC09
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Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by BFNY516
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I think people do not really know what it is like to be part of the working poor. Honestly I do not either but I have family members who fall into this category. Most of these people are the hardest working people you’ll ever meet. My aunt one year donated to her kids’ food drive and then wound up being the receipent of the food basket. She had nothing but always wanted to help out people who were needier than her. When I told her I was pregnant after dealing with IF for years, she bought me a few baby things from dollar general. People like this deserve to be able to earn enough money to live a decent life. Unfortunately, she has since passed away from cancer. She never owned a car or home. She never went on a vacation. She never got her nails done or her haircut. I think many people in the working poor category are living a life like this. They’re not trying to keep up, they’re trying to survive.
That’s why I advocate for $20+ an hour.
The majority of people don’t have enough in savings to cover a sudden emergency.
The majority of people in America make about $47k a year.
It’s unacceptable.
There’s enough for everyone. There needs to be wealth redistribution.
Read the story above and you will see why this won’t work
Actually my story was to say that if my aunt and her husband were both earning $20/hour they could’ve afforded things that everyday people consider normal like haircut. Instead they were straddling the poverty line for her entire life.
It is very sad and we all make choices in our lives. I could have continued with more college and I have gotten jobs that require a BA with experience.
You're going to say you didn't say it, but what you're saying here is pitterpatter's aunt was poor because of the choices she made. She chose to be poor. Poor people choose poverty. This is a gross comment.
No I didn’t and you did not read all my comments.
I've read them, and you seem to flip flop back and forth a lot. You said "we all make choices in our lives" in response to pitterpatter's aunt. Poor people must be so stupid. They could choose to have more. They just keep choosing to be poor. Wtf is wrong with them?? Don't they know there's a whole world of designer handbags out there they could choose to have if they weren't so stupid choosing to be poor??
Yes choices is something in our life that can determine how we live. Again I did say that sometimes circumstances are out of our control though. We don’t know PP aunt personally so we can’t really debate it. I do know people who were and are poor for many reasons. I only have designer bags because I saved for them and carry the same bag for years. So many people act and look rich who live on credit cards and have houses in foreclosure. Many by choice, many by circumstances. I am old so been around the block and have seen everything. I also live on a budget and while I don’t have to make a choice which bill to choose, which is a huge blessing, I know many who do for many reasons. We all hope everyone can afford to live in safe and comfortable places. Unfortunately that will never happen and you will always have that person who will do the bare minimum and the person who will work a ton of jobs and hustle so they can have more in life. This is an individual issue.
What in the actual hell does ANY of this have to do with raising the minimum wage to a respectable level so that it is more in line with inflation and COL?????
Why is it SO upsetting to you that hard working people who are barely getting by will make a few extra bucks? You do not make any sense in this thread whatsoever.
Once again I have no problem with people making more money.
Yes, you do.
Go back and read ALL of your comments. You CLEALY take issue with minimum wage workers, an increase for them is somehow "not fair" to you.
Once again you are twisting my words to make me look like the bad person.
Would it be fair if a college grad at 21 came into your husbands job and started making the same amount of money he makes after many years of working his way up? You said this in the other thread that many deserve what they make and that is exactly what I also have been saying. I don’t think people should live in poverty and I am much closer to minimum wage than you will ever be so why would I disagree with it?
Yes, me and the other 5-6 people who are telling you the same thing are all getting it wrong. Ok. lol
Just because you have a lower paying job doesn't mean that others should be kept down and minimum wage remain stagnant.
Like you keep telling everyone, maybe you need to just "work harder" so you can make more. Or get a new job. Or ask for a raise. What you do NOT get to do is keep others barely above the poverty line because it isn't "fair" to you.
You never answered my question. Seems we know it though from the other thread. You and your husband wouldn’t like if someone with no experience came in and got your husbands title and same pay. So why is that different than anyone else?
You sound like you are trouble processing basic facts of this argument. We are talking about min wage workers being able to pay their rent and put food on the table. Obviously many companies are looking for a certain skill set and experience and will continue to do so. You are making it sound like they are just going to start hiring people with no experience just because minimum wage goes up. How does that make any sense? Nothing you are saying here is sensible...
Why would people want to work in high stressful jobs when they can be a greeter at Walmart for $20/hour? Funny as I ran to Walmart today and the woman at the door was a lovely older woman. Not sure her pay but my cashier was talking about the raise to $15 and how they get checks of $200 every other month for working through Covid. She said this is the best job as there is no stress and good money.
First of all I read min wage is going to $15 not $20. Most high stress jobs are making well above $20. Not to mention benefits and paid time off. If it reaches $20 let me know how many teachers and corporate execs quit to go work as greeters at walmart part time with no vacation days or health insurance. And please go out and talk to them. Make sure you take a decent sample of walmart and target workers outside of the picturesque store in Setauket or wherever...
The $20 was from OPs who mentioned that. Didn’t know stress levels also come at a certain number. Many part time jobs do offer vacation and health insurance. Maybe talk to people who are below you on pay and status and you will learn something.
I talk to people who are below me on pay daily as is part of my job. I work with a vulnerable population. But I would never consider them as a lower "status." I look at them as human beings because that is what they are and this may be part of the reason I have the beliefs. Your attitude is part of the problem but think you may also have a mental condition though so you might benefit from some services for that...
Lol if you only knew, if you only knew.
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Re: Biden's 1.9 Trillion Dollar Plan
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
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Posted by MC09
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by PitterPatter11
I think people do not really know what it is like to be part of the working poor. Honestly I do not either but I have family members who fall into this category. Most of these people are the hardest working people you’ll ever meet. My aunt one year donated to her kids’ food drive and then wound up being the receipent of the food basket. She had nothing but always wanted to help out people who were needier than her. When I told her I was pregnant after dealing with IF for years, she bought me a few baby things from dollar general. People like this deserve to be able to earn enough money to live a decent life. Unfortunately, she has since passed away from cancer. She never owned a car or home. She never went on a vacation. She never got her nails done or her haircut. I think many people in the working poor category are living a life like this. They’re not trying to keep up, they’re trying to survive.
That’s why I advocate for $20+ an hour.
The majority of people don’t have enough in savings to cover a sudden emergency.
The majority of people in America make about $47k a year.
It’s unacceptable.
There’s enough for everyone. There needs to be wealth redistribution.
Read the story above and you will see why this won’t work
Actually my story was to say that if my aunt and her husband were both earning $20/hour they could’ve afforded things that everyday people consider normal like haircut. Instead they were straddling the poverty line for her entire life.
It is very sad and we all make choices in our lives. I could have continued with more college and I have gotten jobs that require a BA with experience.
You're going to say you didn't say it, but what you're saying here is pitterpatter's aunt was poor because of the choices she made. She chose to be poor. Poor people choose poverty. This is a gross comment.
No I didn’t and you did not read all my comments.
I've read them, and you seem to flip flop back and forth a lot. You said "we all make choices in our lives" in response to pitterpatter's aunt. Poor people must be so stupid. They could choose to have more. They just keep choosing to be poor. Wtf is wrong with them?? Don't they know there's a whole world of designer handbags out there they could choose to have if they weren't so stupid choosing to be poor??
Yes choices is something in our life that can determine how we live. Again I did say that sometimes circumstances are out of our control though. We don’t know PP aunt personally so we can’t really debate it. I do know people who were and are poor for many reasons. I only have designer bags because I saved for them and carry the same bag for years. So many people act and look rich who live on credit cards and have houses in foreclosure. Many by choice, many by circumstances. I am old so been around the block and have seen everything. I also live on a budget and while I don’t have to make a choice which bill to choose, which is a huge blessing, I know many who do for many reasons. We all hope everyone can afford to live in safe and comfortable places. Unfortunately that will never happen and you will always have that person who will do the bare minimum and the person who will work a ton of jobs and hustle so they can have more in life. This is an individual issue.
What in the actual hell does ANY of this have to do with raising the minimum wage to a respectable level so that it is more in line with inflation and COL?????
Why is it SO upsetting to you that hard working people who are barely getting by will make a few extra bucks? You do not make any sense in this thread whatsoever.
Once again I have no problem with people making more money.
Yes, you do.
Go back and read ALL of your comments. You CLEALY take issue with minimum wage workers, an increase for them is somehow "not fair" to you.
Once again you are twisting my words to make me look like the bad person.
Would it be fair if a college grad at 21 came into your husbands job and started making the same amount of money he makes after many years of working his way up? You said this in the other thread that many deserve what they make and that is exactly what I also have been saying. I don’t think people should live in poverty and I am much closer to minimum wage than you will ever be so why would I disagree with it?
Yes, me and the other 5-6 people who are telling you the same thing are all getting it wrong. Ok. lol
Just because you have a lower paying job doesn't mean that others should be kept down and minimum wage remain stagnant.
Like you keep telling everyone, maybe you need to just "work harder" so you can make more. Or get a new job. Or ask for a raise. What you do NOT get to do is keep others barely above the poverty line because it isn't "fair" to you.
You never answered my question. Seems we know it though from the other thread. You and your husband wouldn’t like if someone with no experience came in and got your husbands title and same pay. So why is that different than anyone else?
You sound like you are trouble processing basic facts of this argument. We are talking about min wage workers being able to pay their rent and put food on the table. Obviously many companies are looking for a certain skill set and experience and will continue to do so. You are making it sound like they are just going to start hiring people with no experience just because minimum wage goes up. How does that make any sense? Nothing you are saying here is sensible...
Why would people want to work in high stressful jobs when they can be a greeter at Walmart for $20/hour? Funny as I ran to Walmart today and the woman at the door was a lovely older woman. Not sure her pay but my cashier was talking about the raise to $15 and how they get checks of $200 every other month for working through Covid. She said this is the best job as there is no stress and good money.
So go be a f#$kin greeter at Walmart and shut up already. Jesus Christ with you.
You really are just a mean girl that never left high school.
LOL ok.
Why are you unable to see why EVERYONE on here gets frustrated with you? You are a glutton for punishment.
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Re: Biden's 1.9 Trillion Dollar Plan
Posted by MC09
Regarding the Walmart greeter you seem to obsess about. Sure, some people would apply to be a greeter. I can see many elderly, retired, or disabled people wanting to work as greeters. Maybe some retired people would NEED that lowly lowly (to YOU) job to pay for their expensive prescriptions?? Maybe SS isn't sufficient and they need help making ends meet. Maybe some young people would apply too. Every one applying will have a different situation. You seem to think they're not deserving of a fair wage because their job is to be the face of the company and greet people at the door. It's fluff. It's beneath other jobs.
But not everyone will be content with working as a greeter. Some people might want to earn more than whatever the min will be raised to. You think raising the min wage will keep people from wanting better. It doesn't work that way. Lots of people will still have goals in life. Raising min wage isn't going to suddenly eliminate type A personalities. Maybe you would be content with it, and there is nothing wrong with that. But not everyone is you. What you're saying is the college student working as a Walmart greeter while they earn their degree doesn't deserve a livable wage to pay tuition, books, basic living expenses, gas for commuting or a bus pass, until they've "made it". No, they need to slave away at 4 jobs to pay for these things so they (or rather YOU) can feel like they really earned it, really "paid their dues".
Personally, I question the need for a greeter. I don't need someone to stand at the entrance to greet me. But that is not my decision to make. I am not Walmart management. But if Walmart management decides they want a greeter standing on their feet all day at the door then WALMART NEEDS TO PAY THEM A FAIR WAGE.
Btw what is this fallacy of yours that all low paying jobs are easy to perform and without stress?
Oh she knows that the low paying jobs are non stress because she talked to the cashier at Walmart who told her this...
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Posted by MC09
Regarding the Walmart greeter you seem to obsess about. Sure, some people would apply to be a greeter. I can see many elderly, retired, or disabled people wanting to work as greeters. Maybe some retired people would NEED that lowly lowly (to YOU) job to pay for their expensive prescriptions?? Maybe SS isn't sufficient and they need help making ends meet. Maybe some young people would apply too. Every one applying will have a different situation. You seem to think they're not deserving of a fair wage because their job is to be the face of the company and greet people at the door. It's fluff. It's beneath other jobs.
But not everyone will be content with working as a greeter. Some people might want to earn more than whatever the min will be raised to. You think raising the min wage will keep people from wanting better. It doesn't work that way. Lots of people will still have goals in life. Raising min wage isn't going to suddenly eliminate type A personalities. Maybe you would be content with it, and there is nothing wrong with that. But not everyone is you. What you're saying is the college student working as a Walmart greeter while they earn their degree doesn't deserve a livable wage to pay tuition, books, basic living expenses, gas for commuting or a bus pass, until they've "made it". No, they need to slave away at 4 jobs to pay for these things so they (or rather YOU) can feel like they really earned it, really "paid their dues".
Personally, I question the need for a greeter. I don't need someone to stand at the entrance to greet me. But that is not my decision to make. I am not Walmart management. But if Walmart management decides they want a greeter standing on their feet all day at the door then WALMART NEEDS TO PAY THEM A FAIR WAGE.
Btw what is this fallacy of yours that all low paying jobs are easy to perform and without stress?
Never said that if you read my other post. I have worked jobs as low as $3.50 and still had stress involved.
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Hofstra26
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Re: Biden's 1.9 Trillion Dollar Plan
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I think people do not really know what it is like to be part of the working poor. Honestly I do not either but I have family members who fall into this category. Most of these people are the hardest working people you’ll ever meet. My aunt one year donated to her kids’ food drive and then wound up being the receipent of the food basket. She had nothing but always wanted to help out people who were needier than her. When I told her I was pregnant after dealing with IF for years, she bought me a few baby things from dollar general. People like this deserve to be able to earn enough money to live a decent life. Unfortunately, she has since passed away from cancer. She never owned a car or home. She never went on a vacation. She never got her nails done or her haircut. I think many people in the working poor category are living a life like this. They’re not trying to keep up, they’re trying to survive.
That’s why I advocate for $20+ an hour.
The majority of people don’t have enough in savings to cover a sudden emergency.
The majority of people in America make about $47k a year.
It’s unacceptable.
There’s enough for everyone. There needs to be wealth redistribution.
Read the story above and you will see why this won’t work
Actually my story was to say that if my aunt and her husband were both earning $20/hour they could’ve afforded things that everyday people consider normal like haircut. Instead they were straddling the poverty line for her entire life.
It is very sad and we all make choices in our lives. I could have continued with more college and I have gotten jobs that require a BA with experience.
You're going to say you didn't say it, but what you're saying here is pitterpatter's aunt was poor because of the choices she made. She chose to be poor. Poor people choose poverty. This is a gross comment.
No I didn’t and you did not read all my comments.
I've read them, and you seem to flip flop back and forth a lot. You said "we all make choices in our lives" in response to pitterpatter's aunt. Poor people must be so stupid. They could choose to have more. They just keep choosing to be poor. Wtf is wrong with them?? Don't they know there's a whole world of designer handbags out there they could choose to have if they weren't so stupid choosing to be poor??
Yes choices is something in our life that can determine how we live. Again I did say that sometimes circumstances are out of our control though. We don’t know PP aunt personally so we can’t really debate it. I do know people who were and are poor for many reasons. I only have designer bags because I saved for them and carry the same bag for years. So many people act and look rich who live on credit cards and have houses in foreclosure. Many by choice, many by circumstances. I am old so been around the block and have seen everything. I also live on a budget and while I don’t have to make a choice which bill to choose, which is a huge blessing, I know many who do for many reasons. We all hope everyone can afford to live in safe and comfortable places. Unfortunately that will never happen and you will always have that person who will do the bare minimum and the person who will work a ton of jobs and hustle so they can have more in life. This is an individual issue.
What in the actual hell does ANY of this have to do with raising the minimum wage to a respectable level so that it is more in line with inflation and COL?????
Why is it SO upsetting to you that hard working people who are barely getting by will make a few extra bucks? You do not make any sense in this thread whatsoever.
Once again I have no problem with people making more money.
Yes, you do.
Go back and read ALL of your comments. You CLEALY take issue with minimum wage workers, an increase for them is somehow "not fair" to you.
Once again you are twisting my words to make me look like the bad person.
Would it be fair if a college grad at 21 came into your husbands job and started making the same amount of money he makes after many years of working his way up? You said this in the other thread that many deserve what they make and that is exactly what I also have been saying. I don’t think people should live in poverty and I am much closer to minimum wage than you will ever be so why would I disagree with it?
Yes, me and the other 5-6 people who are telling you the same thing are all getting it wrong. Ok. lol
Just because you have a lower paying job doesn't mean that others should be kept down and minimum wage remain stagnant.
Like you keep telling everyone, maybe you need to just "work harder" so you can make more. Or get a new job. Or ask for a raise. What you do NOT get to do is keep others barely above the poverty line because it isn't "fair" to you.
You never answered my question. Seems we know it though from the other thread. You and your husband wouldn’t like if someone with no experience came in and got your husbands title and same pay. So why is that different than anyone else?
Here is the point that you are missing in all of this. Minimum wage has to land somewhere and if a person is above minimum wage but also on the very low end of the pay scale then guess what? There is a good chance that minimum wage will at some point come very close to or maybe even equal low end salaries. That, of course, doesn't mean that minimum wage should never be increased, perhaps it means someone like you just needs a better paying job.
To answer your odd question, which really isn't a good example of what we are even talking about, someone with no experience cannot walk into an executive level position. It's not how the world works. But to try and make your example somewhat applicable, if at some point the Director level salary (which is under my DH) started to come close to my DH's salary as VP then he would either talk to his employer about a raise/cost of living increase OR he would consider another company with a better pay scale for his role, skills and experience. What he would NOT do is whine about the Director and the salary he is being paid because it is "not fair".
As you keep telling everyone, "we all have choices to make" so if your salary is a disappointment to you then maybe you need to make a CHOICE to find a better paying job instead of whining about what others are being paid.
Wait. You mean to tell me he wouldn't pout and stomp his foot and try to explain away why the director doesn't deserve an increase and should've made better life and financial choices?
VB, do you know why corporate culture keeps salaries a huge hush hush secret never to be revealed or spoken about? Do you know why HR very rarely posts a salary or range on job ads? Who does this ambiguity benefit?
To your point about keeping things on the DL, in my DH's company while HR knows the executive salaries any information about the executive level compensation packages above base salary are kept from them. That information flows from corporate to the president to the individual executive employee. They do not want that information getting out into the company because it can cause issues with the lower level employees. The higher up you get, the more "secretive" they are about money matters, many things are shared at the executive level only and HR is cut out.
Public companies have all that info out and many companies you can see that even if they are private. I can see what many higher ups in my company make.
Wrong.
My DH's parent company is public and a high performing company on Wall Street, while the 5-6 at the very top (CEO and right below him) are public knowledge the compensation for any executives below them are not.
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