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Re: Jenny McCarthy...autism....

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But, just out of curiosity...why is this posted on every board?




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I only saw it on one other board, I think the celebrity(unless I didn't see the other ones on "every board").
And if it is maybe she just wanted to post it on "every board" Chat Icon

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Posted 4/5/09 8:48 PM
 
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Re: Jenny McCarthy...autism....

Posted by BunnyWife

Posted by Palebride


But, just out of curiosity...why is this posted on every board?




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i dont know..i thought ..that ..people dont read each board..i thought only parents...read..parenting....lol hah...thast a little ridic...!!!Chat Icon Chat Icon

Posted 4/5/09 8:51 PM
 

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Re: Jenny McCarthy...autism....

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Posted 4/5/09 8:51 PM
 

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Re: Jenny McCarthy...autism....

Posted by aliska21

i dont know..i thought ..that ..people dont read each board..i thought only parents...read..parenting....lol hah...thast a little ridic...!!!Chat Icon Chat Icon



i lurk on the parenting board sometimes... i figured you posted it on here too and was curious to see what parents had to say on the topic

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Posted 4/5/09 8:53 PM
 

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Re: Jenny McCarthy...autism....

Posted by Palebride

I don't believe a word she says about this issue. I think she's a lovely woman with a great sense of humor, who loves her son a whole lot, but I just don't trust her opinion on this matter.
If I need information on a medical issue -I will find research from doctors, or qualified experts. Not celebrities who have a child who may or may not have Autism. That's just me.

I highly doubt that if I had a child with Autism and I wrote this book, anyone would read it. Simply being a celebrity does not make you an expert, or a reliable source.

But, just out of curiosity...why is this posted on every board?



well girly..as said before....that...its not her research..if it would be hers...i wouldnt listen...lol...but its many doctors...who do the research..and she is the one...telling a story..thats all...i dont think her son was misdiagnosed...
if you read more from previous posts..u will see that its true..me and u can write abook..noone willl listen...but if a celebrity does....people will hear more about it...hear the other side of the story...at least read her story..look online...find those DAN docs (Defeat Autism Now)...and just simply see what they have to sayyy...because speech therapy and other things..do help too..but autism involves a lot more to it really,...!!! there are health issues that are linked too u know..child gets allergic reactions...has too much yeast in their body ...etc...
I had no idea until i saw it online...read her story..and many other stories that are in her book.....


Posted 4/5/09 8:57 PM
 

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Re: Jenny McCarthy...autism....

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Posted by aliska21

i dont know..i thought ..that ..people dont read each board..i thought only parents...read..parenting....lol hah...thast a little ridic...!!!Chat Icon Chat Icon



i lurk on the parenting board sometimes... i figured you posted it on here too and was curious to see what parents had to say on the topic

.... you caught me! i do not have children! Chat Icon



yea..thats y also..i wanted to know what parents also have to say! hehehehhe

Posted 4/5/09 8:59 PM
 

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Re: Jenny McCarthy...autism....

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Posted 4/5/09 8:59 PM
 

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Re: Jenny McCarthy...autism....

Posted by aliska21

Posted by Palebride

I don't believe a word she says about this issue. I think she's a lovely woman with a great sense of humor, who loves her son a whole lot, but I just don't trust her opinion on this matter.
If I need information on a medical issue -I will find research from doctors, or qualified experts. Not celebrities who have a child who may or may not have Autism. That's just me.

I highly doubt that if I had a child with Autism and I wrote this book, anyone would read it. Simply being a celebrity does not make you an expert, or a reliable source.

But, just out of curiosity...why is this posted on every board?



well girly..as said before....that...its not her research..if it would be hers...i wouldnt listen...lol...but its many doctors...who do the research..and she is the one...telling a story..thats all...i dont think her son was misdiagnosed...
if you read more from previous posts..u will see that its true..me and u can write abook..noone willl listen...but if a celebrity does....people will hear more about it...hear the other side of the story...at least read her story..look online...find those DAN docs (Defeat Autism Now)...and just simply see what they have to sayyy...because speech therapy and other things..do help too..but autism involves a lot more to it really,...!!! there are health issues that are linked too u know..child gets allergic reactions...has too much yeast in their body ...etc...
I had no idea until i saw it online...read her story..and many other stories that are in her book.....





I recently attended a seminar by a DAN doctor (chiropractic neurologist). It was def. interesting. She was very honest and did say that 50% of her patients do not see any improvement at all. It's VERY expensive to see a DAN doctor, and insurance typically doesn't cover the blood work, etc.

Posted 4/5/09 9:02 PM
 

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Re: Jenny McCarthy...autism....

Posted by aliska21

Posted by KeithHernandez

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No popcorn needed. I just cannot believe that someone would believe what Jenny McCarthy writes and ONLY believes that.

HOWEVER, if what she writes makes someone research the subject more, than that's a good thing.

Posted 4/5/09 9:03 PM
 

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Re: Jenny McCarthy...autism....

I'm going to stand with my opinion as always. Whether that is seen as judgmental or not is up to the interpreter.

I'm happy that Ms. McCarthy did her research, got answers and that her son in improving. I agree that the terminology she chooses is misleading and planting false hopes.

I have also seen kids on the DAN diet over a span of at least 2-3 years. I haven't seen improvement in their levels of functioning. In one case, a parent is still doing his homework.

Posted 4/5/09 9:09 PM
 

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Re: Jenny McCarthy...autism....

Posted by aliska21

Posted by tatuka

Posted by aliska21

you know ladies...i just wanted to know about this issue..and i asked my fds from russia..what they know about autism..and if they know...anyone...that has it!?

Many people know about it because we ..here have it...and they hear about it now more....but the cases themselves.....hmmm...not much....i cant say ...100%...but...its very interesting..because..over here its a big deal now..over there...they dont know much about it...(they do know what it is..n stuff...)but never saw it....



I am also from former USSR country(next to Russia) and I have few friends who are drs and my best friend is married to a pediatrician. I have asked them and I have asked around and did some research to find out more about Autism in the country and how often kids are diagnosed there. surprisingly not much, veeery few cases(more like 1 last year) of autism diagnosed every year. Parents are very aware(and knowledgeable) of the spectrum disorders ,but as I said not too many cases reported.
Kids get vaccinated over there just like they do here, the only difference is that they are spread out more and vaccines are made in Europe(not sure if that matters at all).
I think there is many factors to it and many causes. And I think we still have a long way to go to finding out what exactly is causing ASD.


i agree with you! deff because they are made in europe..too!!!



Numbers from European and other countries....

http://www.autism-society.org/site/PageServer?pagename=community_world_incidence

China
1,100,000
Peking Health Science Center (estimate based on official 2005 rate of 1.1 in 1000 children affected)

India
2,000,000
Action for Autism India (based on an estimated rate of 1 in 250)

United States
1,500,000
U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention ADDME Study 2007 and Autism Society of America

United Kingdom
650,000
National Autistic Society 2006 (based on rate of 1 in 100)

Mexico
150,000
Based on estimates by Ministry of Health of 2 to 6 per 1000

Philippines
500,000
Autism Society of Philippines

Thailand
180,000
Estimate of the Minister of Mental Health



Some European ideas about Autism:
http://www.autismeurope.org/portal/Default.aspx?tabid=577

What are the reasons for the insurgence of Autism?
The reasons are not well known. It is clear however that if we look at the most recent estimates of the prevalence of all forms of PDDs, we have rates of about 60 per 10,000 which consistently come up in recent surveys. This is three times as high as the rate of 20 per 10,000 reported by Wing & Gould in the mid-70s in the Camberwell Study. It is obvious that changes in diagnostic criteria, a broadening of the concept of autism, an increased awareness by professionals that autism could occur in children with normal intelligence, the new category of Asperger Disorder and of PDD NOS have all contributed to this increased rates. In addition, many professionals and the lay public are now aware of Autism Spectrum Disorder which facilitates the identification of children suffering from this condition in studies. Whether or not in addition to these factors, there is a true increased in the incidence of the disorder is not known. We do not have good epidemiological data providing incidence estimates over time which can be used to address efficiently this question. The claims of an association with particular risk factors such as MMR immunisation or the mercury content of vaccines have not been supported by research.



I am the mother of a 3-year-old girl with autism. Can an autistic child become normal and which is the best treatment? I live in Sweden and here they begin with a Norwegian method called 'TIPO training' and my daughter is on the waiting list. But I would also like to know of other methods used to treat Autism. (Parent, Sweden)
Autism is generally considered to be a genetic disorder and thus there are no cures as such, any more than there are cures for conditions such as Downs Syndrome. However, with appropriate education and support facilities a great deal can be done to ensure that a child’s basic abilities are developed to the fullest extent possible. Education appropriate to the child’s particular levels of abilities and difficulties is without doubt the most important intervention for both children and families. Most successful educational programmes involve a combination of developmental and behavioural approaches, with an emphasis on structure and predictability, and strategies designed to overcome the fundamental communication difficulties that are associated with autism. The TEACCH methodology offers an excellent framework for interventions of this kind. Although there are claims that certain treatments can bring about “recovery” or “cures” for autism (these range from intensive behavioural treatments to diets, vitamins, pet therapy etc) such claims are not substantiated. Unfortunately I am not familiar with the Norwegian method called TIPO.



Small insight into Autism in Russia:
http://www.autismconnect.org/news.asp?itemtype=adam§ion=000100010003&page=3&id=5083
There is, of course, no precise number of autism sufferers in Russia. After all, the same can be said about the United Kingdom, a far smaller nation. But the Morozovs agree that autism is genuinely increasing, although they feel the rise is also partly due to improved diagnostic tools and a broadening of the autistic spectrum.



Autism is everywhere, in every country, and every region. "European vaccines" aren't any better or worse than US vaccines. There is Autism in Russia, and it's on the rise there as well. It seems like most countries agree that it is "rising" because of better testing, and a broader definition of Autism.

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Posted 4/5/09 9:12 PM
 

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Re: Jenny McCarthy...autism....

Posted by KeithHernandez

Posted by aliska21

Posted by KeithHernandez

If you're really curious about LEARNING about this, please read more books...


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No popcorn needed. I just cannot believe that someone would believe what Jenny McCarthy writes and ONLY believes that.

HOWEVER, if what she writes makes someone research the subject more, than that's a good thing.



alright..listen......... i dont make u believe anything and dont tell me what to put or not to put...
anyway...i believe what i believe..i do believe what she writes...and i also believe other docs..too ...im not close minded like urself...and not say that regular docs are wrong ok...
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Posted 4/5/09 9:12 PM
 

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Re: Jenny McCarthy...autism....

Posted by aliska21

Posted by KeithHernandez

Posted by aliska21

Posted by KeithHernandez

If you're really curious about LEARNING about this, please read more books...


ok..thanks!! Chat Icon



No popcorn needed. I just cannot believe that someone would believe what Jenny McCarthy writes and ONLY believes that.

HOWEVER, if what she writes makes someone research the subject more, than that's a good thing.



alright..listen......... i dont make u believe anything and dont tell me what to put or not to put...
anyway...i believe what i believe..i do believe what she writes...and i also believe other docs..too ...im not close minded like urself...and not say that regular docs are wrong ok...
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Chill on the name calling GIRLY. Not necessary.

Posted 4/5/09 9:14 PM
 

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Re: Jenny McCarthy...autism....

Posted by EmmaNick

Posted by aliska21

Posted by Palebride

I don't believe a word she says about this issue. I think she's a lovely woman with a great sense of humor, who loves her son a whole lot, but I just don't trust her opinion on this matter.
If I need information on a medical issue -I will find research from doctors, or qualified experts. Not celebrities who have a child who may or may not have Autism. That's just me.

I highly doubt that if I had a child with Autism and I wrote this book, anyone would read it. Simply being a celebrity does not make you an expert, or a reliable source.

But, just out of curiosity...why is this posted on every board?



well girly..as said before....that...its not her research..if it would be hers...i wouldnt listen...lol...but its many doctors...who do the research..and she is the one...telling a story..thats all...i dont think her son was misdiagnosed...
if you read more from previous posts..u will see that its true..me and u can write abook..noone willl listen...but if a celebrity does....people will hear more about it...hear the other side of the story...at least read her story..look online...find those DAN docs (Defeat Autism Now)...and just simply see what they have to sayyy...because speech therapy and other things..do help too..but autism involves a lot more to it really,...!!! there are health issues that are linked too u know..child gets allergic reactions...has too much yeast in their body ...etc...
I had no idea until i saw it online...read her story..and many other stories that are in her book.....





I recently attended a seminar by a DAN doctor (chiropractic neurologist). It was def. interesting. She was very honest and did say that 50% of her patients do not see any improvement at all. It's VERY expensive to see a DAN doctor, and insurance typically doesn't cover the blood work, etc.


so i have heard...people take out a loan to see those docs

Posted 4/5/09 9:15 PM
 

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Re: Jenny McCarthy...autism....

Posted by Goldi0218

Posted by aliska21

Posted by KeithHernandez

Posted by aliska21

Posted by KeithHernandez

If you're really curious about LEARNING about this, please read more books...


ok..thanks!! Chat Icon



No popcorn needed. I just cannot believe that someone would believe what Jenny McCarthy writes and ONLY believes that.

HOWEVER, if what she writes makes someone research the subject more, than that's a good thing.



alright..listen......... i dont make u believe anything and dont tell me what to put or not to put...
anyway...i believe what i believe..i do believe what she writes...and i also believe other docs..too ...im not close minded like urself...and not say that regular docs are wrong ok...
thanksChat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon



Chill on the name calling GIRLY. Not necessary.



didnt call anyone...anything..just said my opinion..so did she...lol

Posted 4/5/09 9:18 PM
 

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Re: Jenny McCarthy...autism....

Posted by aliska21

Posted by KeithHernandez

Posted by aliska21

Posted by KeithHernandez

If you're really curious about LEARNING about this, please read more books...


ok..thanks!! Chat Icon



No popcorn needed. I just cannot believe that someone would believe what Jenny McCarthy writes and ONLY believes that.

HOWEVER, if what she writes makes someone research the subject more, than that's a good thing.



alright..listen......... i dont make u believe anything and dont tell me what to put or not to put...
anyway...i believe what i believe..i do believe what she writes...and i also believe other docs..too ...im not close minded like urself...and not say that regular docs are wrong ok...
thanksChat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon



wow... ok, I wasn't ATTACKING YOU... I was just asking that if you are sincerely curious and wanted to know what us parents' thought.... then MY ADVICE would be to research more.

Didn't I JUST credit Ms. McCarthy with making people THINK more and RESEARCH more about the subject?

you said you wanted to HEAR OUR THOUGHTS... yet you poke your fingers in your ears when people express their thoughts you don't want to hear? Yet- you are calling ME closed minded???

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I assume you like salty buttery snacks... so rock on with your bad 'self.

Message edited 4/5/2009 9:21:17 PM.

Posted 4/5/09 9:19 PM
 

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Re: Jenny McCarthy...autism....

Posted by GoldenRod

Posted by aliska21

Posted by tatuka

Posted by aliska21

you know ladies...i just wanted to know about this issue..and i asked my fds from russia..what they know about autism..and if they know...anyone...that has it!?

Many people know about it because we ..here have it...and they hear about it now more....but the cases themselves.....hmmm...not much....i cant say ...100%...but...its very interesting..because..over here its a big deal now..over there...they dont know much about it...(they do know what it is..n stuff...)but never saw it....



I am also from former USSR country(next to Russia) and I have few friends who are drs and my best friend is married to a pediatrician. I have asked them and I have asked around and did some research to find out more about Autism in the country and how often kids are diagnosed there. surprisingly not much, veeery few cases(more like 1 last year) of autism diagnosed every year. Parents are very aware(and knowledgeable) of the spectrum disorders ,but as I said not too many cases reported.
Kids get vaccinated over there just like they do here, the only difference is that they are spread out more and vaccines are made in Europe(not sure if that matters at all).
I think there is many factors to it and many causes. And I think we still have a long way to go to finding out what exactly is causing ASD.


i agree with you! deff because they are made in europe..too!!!



Numbers from European and other countries....

http://www.autism-society.org/site/PageServer?pagename=community_world_incidence

China
1,100,000
Peking Health Science Center (estimate based on official 2005 rate of 1.1 in 1000 children affected)

India
2,000,000
Action for Autism India (based on an estimated rate of 1 in 250)

United States
1,500,000
U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention ADDME Study 2007 and Autism Society of America

United Kingdom
650,000
National Autistic Society 2006 (based on rate of 1 in 100)

Mexico
150,000
Based on estimates by Ministry of Health of 2 to 6 per 1000

Philippines
500,000
Autism Society of Philippines

Thailand
180,000
Estimate of the Minister of Mental Health



Some European ideas about Autism:
http://www.autismeurope.org/portal/Default.aspx?tabid=577

What are the reasons for the insurgence of Autism?
The reasons are not well known. It is clear however that if we look at the most recent estimates of the prevalence of all forms of PDDs, we have rates of about 60 per 10,000 which consistently come up in recent surveys. This is three times as high as the rate of 20 per 10,000 reported by Wing & Gould in the mid-70s in the Camberwell Study. It is obvious that changes in diagnostic criteria, a broadening of the concept of autism, an increased awareness by professionals that autism could occur in children with normal intelligence, the new category of Asperger Disorder and of PDD NOS have all contributed to this increased rates. In addition, many professionals and the lay public are now aware of Autism Spectrum Disorder which facilitates the identification of children suffering from this condition in studies. Whether or not in addition to these factors, there is a true increased in the incidence of the disorder is not known. We do not have good epidemiological data providing incidence estimates over time which can be used to address efficiently this question. The claims of an association with particular risk factors such as MMR immunisation or the mercury content of vaccines have not been supported by research.



I am the mother of a 3-year-old girl with autism. Can an autistic child become normal and which is the best treatment? I live in Sweden and here they begin with a Norwegian method called 'TIPO training' and my daughter is on the waiting list. But I would also like to know of other methods used to treat Autism. (Parent, Sweden)
Autism is generally considered to be a genetic disorder and thus there are no cures as such, any more than there are cures for conditions such as Downs Syndrome. However, with appropriate education and support facilities a great deal can be done to ensure that a child’s basic abilities are developed to the fullest extent possible. Education appropriate to the child’s particular levels of abilities and difficulties is without doubt the most important intervention for both children and families. Most successful educational programmes involve a combination of developmental and behavioural approaches, with an emphasis on structure and predictability, and strategies designed to overcome the fundamental communication difficulties that are associated with autism. The TEACCH methodology offers an excellent framework for interventions of this kind. Although there are claims that certain treatments can bring about “recovery” or “cures” for autism (these range from intensive behavioural treatments to diets, vitamins, pet therapy etc) such claims are not substantiated. Unfortunately I am not familiar with the Norwegian method called TIPO.



Small insight into Autism in Russia:
http://www.autismconnect.org/news.asp?itemtype=adam§ion=000100010003&page=3&id=5083
There is, of course, no precise number of autism sufferers in Russia. After all, the same can be said about the United Kingdom, a far smaller nation. But the Morozovs agree that autism is genuinely increasing, although they feel the rise is also partly due to improved diagnostic tools and a broadening of the autistic spectrum.



Autism is everywhere, in every country, and every region. "European vaccines" aren't any better or worse than US vaccines. There is Autism in Russia, and it's on the rise there as well. It seems like most countries agree that it is "rising" because of better testing, and a broader definition of Autism.

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i know the european vaccines...are not better...just wanted to see id thats the difference

Posted 4/5/09 9:20 PM
 

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Re: Jenny McCarthy...autism....

Posted by Goldi0218

Posted by aliska21

Posted by KeithHernandez

Posted by aliska21

Posted by KeithHernandez

If you're really curious about LEARNING about this, please read more books...


ok..thanks!! Chat Icon



No popcorn needed. I just cannot believe that someone would believe what Jenny McCarthy writes and ONLY believes that.

HOWEVER, if what she writes makes someone research the subject more, than that's a good thing.



alright..listen......... i dont make u believe anything and dont tell me what to put or not to put...
anyway...i believe what i believe..i do believe what she writes...and i also believe other docs..too ...im not close minded like urself...and not say that regular docs are wrong ok...
thanksChat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon



Chill on the name calling GIRLY. Not necessary.



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Posted 4/5/09 9:20 PM
 

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Re: Jenny McCarthy...autism....

Posted by aliska21

Posted by KeithHernandez

Posted by aliska21

Posted by KeithHernandez

If you're really curious about LEARNING about this, please read more books...


ok..thanks!! Chat Icon



No popcorn needed. I just cannot believe that someone would believe what Jenny McCarthy writes and ONLY believes that.

HOWEVER, if what she writes makes someone research the subject more, than that's a good thing.



alright..listen......... i dont make u believe anything and dont tell me what to put or not to put...
anyway...i believe what i believe..i do believe what she writes...and i also believe other docs..too ...im not close minded like urself...and not say that regular docs are wrong ok...
thanksChat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon



I think it is an oxymoron to call someone who is telling you to research closeminded, b/c she is telling you to OPEN your mind to other ideas....

Posted 4/5/09 9:20 PM
 

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hardly....there WAS namecalling... you should learn from Nixon... you can't re-write history when it's taped Chat Icon

this thread is degrading into something nasty and unhelpful.....

Message edited 4/5/2009 9:21:01 PM.

Posted 4/5/09 9:20 PM
 

aliska21
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Re: Jenny McCarthy...autism....

Posted by KeithHernandez

Posted by aliska21

Posted by KeithHernandez

Posted by aliska21

Posted by KeithHernandez

If you're really curious about LEARNING about this, please read more books...


ok..thanks!! Chat Icon



No popcorn needed. I just cannot believe that someone would believe what Jenny McCarthy writes and ONLY believes that.

HOWEVER, if what she writes makes someone research the subject more, than that's a good thing.



alright..listen......... i dont make u believe anything and dont tell me what to put or not to put...
anyway...i believe what i believe..i do believe what she writes...and i also believe other docs..too ...im not close minded like urself...and not say that regular docs are wrong ok...
thanksChat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon



wow... ok, I wasn't ATTACKING YOU... I was just asking that if you are sincerely curious and wanted to know what us parent's thought.... then MY ADVICE would be to research more.

Didn't I JUST credit Ms. McCarthy with making people THINK more and RESEARCH more about the subject?

you said you wanted to HEAR OUR THOUGHTS... yet you poke your fingers in your ears when people express their thoughts you don't want to hear? Yet- you are calling ME closed minded???

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I assume you like salty buttery snacks... so rock on with your bad 'self.


it just sounded to me like you were...but ..i didnt close my ears to other ppls thoughts..and opinions...bcoz im just trying to find out what people have to ssay and what they experienced!!!!...

Posted 4/5/09 9:22 PM
 

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Re: Jenny McCarthy...autism....

Posted by KateDevine

Posted by aliska21

Posted by KeithHernandez

Posted by aliska21

Posted by KeithHernandez

If you're really curious about LEARNING about this, please read more books...


ok..thanks!! Chat Icon



No popcorn needed. I just cannot believe that someone would believe what Jenny McCarthy writes and ONLY believes that.

HOWEVER, if what she writes makes someone research the subject more, than that's a good thing.



alright..listen......... i dont make u believe anything and dont tell me what to put or not to put...
anyway...i believe what i believe..i do believe what she writes...and i also believe other docs..too ...im not close minded like urself...and not say that regular docs are wrong ok...
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I think it is an oxymoron to call someone who is telling you to research closeminded, b/c she is telling you to OPEN your mind to other ideas....


lol...i was replying to her first line..didnt even,..read what the other said..haha.....how dumb of me..!!!

i know that everyone will not agree...and every mommy has her own opinion..and knows her baby better than anyone....so thats y im asking..u ...Mommies...how u feel about this...n y does that make u feel:)

Posted 4/5/09 9:24 PM
 

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Re: Jenny McCarthy...autism....

Posted by wannabemom

hardly....there WAS namecalling... you should learn from Nixon... you can't re-write history when it's taped Chat Icon

this thread is degrading into something nasty and unhelpful.....



I have to say I agree with you.

This reminds me of another thread we had on here about Vaccines.....not long ago...coincidence I guess.Chat Icon

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Posted 4/5/09 9:28 PM
 

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Re: Jenny McCarthy...autism....

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Posted by aliska21

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Posted by aliska21

you know ladies...i just wanted to know about this issue..and i asked my fds from russia..what they know about autism..and if they know...anyone...that has it!?

Many people know about it because we ..here have it...and they hear about it now more....but the cases themselves.....hmmm...not much....i cant say ...100%...but...its very interesting..because..over here its a big deal now..over there...they dont know much about it...(they do know what it is..n stuff...)but never saw it....



I am also from former USSR country(next to Russia) and I have few friends who are drs and my best friend is married to a pediatrician. I have asked them and I have asked around and did some research to find out more about Autism in the country and how often kids are diagnosed there. surprisingly not much, veeery few cases(more like 1 last year) of autism diagnosed every year. Parents are very aware(and knowledgeable) of the spectrum disorders ,but as I said not too many cases reported.
Kids get vaccinated over there just like they do here, the only difference is that they are spread out more and vaccines are made in Europe(not sure if that matters at all).
I think there is many factors to it and many causes. And I think we still have a long way to go to finding out what exactly is causing ASD.


i agree with you! deff because they are made in europe..too!!!



Numbers from European and other countries....

http://www.autism-society.org/site/PageServer?pagename=community_world_incidence

China
1,100,000
Peking Health Science Center (estimate based on official 2005 rate of 1.1 in 1000 children affected)

India
2,000,000
Action for Autism India (based on an estimated rate of 1 in 250)

United States
1,500,000
U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention ADDME Study 2007 and Autism Society of America

United Kingdom
650,000
National Autistic Society 2006 (based on rate of 1 in 100)

Mexico
150,000
Based on estimates by Ministry of Health of 2 to 6 per 1000

Philippines
500,000
Autism Society of Philippines

Thailand
180,000
Estimate of the Minister of Mental Health



Some European ideas about Autism:
http://www.autismeurope.org/portal/Default.aspx?tabid=577

What are the reasons for the insurgence of Autism?
The reasons are not well known. It is clear however that if we look at the most recent estimates of the prevalence of all forms of PDDs, we have rates of about 60 per 10,000 which consistently come up in recent surveys. This is three times as high as the rate of 20 per 10,000 reported by Wing & Gould in the mid-70s in the Camberwell Study. It is obvious that changes in diagnostic criteria, a broadening of the concept of autism, an increased awareness by professionals that autism could occur in children with normal intelligence, the new category of Asperger Disorder and of PDD NOS have all contributed to this increased rates. In addition, many professionals and the lay public are now aware of Autism Spectrum Disorder which facilitates the identification of children suffering from this condition in studies. Whether or not in addition to these factors, there is a true increased in the incidence of the disorder is not known. We do not have good epidemiological data providing incidence estimates over time which can be used to address efficiently this question. The claims of an association with particular risk factors such as MMR immunisation or the mercury content of vaccines have not been supported by research.



I am the mother of a 3-year-old girl with autism. Can an autistic child become normal and which is the best treatment? I live in Sweden and here they begin with a Norwegian method called 'TIPO training' and my daughter is on the waiting list. But I would also like to know of other methods used to treat Autism. (Parent, Sweden)
Autism is generally considered to be a genetic disorder and thus there are no cures as such, any more than there are cures for conditions such as Downs Syndrome. However, with appropriate education and support facilities a great deal can be done to ensure that a child’s basic abilities are developed to the fullest extent possible. Education appropriate to the child’s particular levels of abilities and difficulties is without doubt the most important intervention for both children and families. Most successful educational programmes involve a combination of developmental and behavioural approaches, with an emphasis on structure and predictability, and strategies designed to overcome the fundamental communication difficulties that are associated with autism. The TEACCH methodology offers an excellent framework for interventions of this kind. Although there are claims that certain treatments can bring about “recovery” or “cures” for autism (these range from intensive behavioural treatments to diets, vitamins, pet therapy etc) such claims are not substantiated. Unfortunately I am not familiar with the Norwegian method called TIPO.



Small insight into Autism in Russia:
http://www.autismconnect.org/news.asp?itemtype=adam§ion=000100010003&page=3&id=5083
There is, of course, no precise number of autism sufferers in Russia. After all, the same can be said about the United Kingdom, a far smaller nation. But the Morozovs agree that autism is genuinely increasing, although they feel the rise is also partly due to improved diagnostic tools and a broadening of the autistic spectrum.



Autism is everywhere, in every country, and every region. "European vaccines" aren't any better or worse than US vaccines. There is Autism in Russia, and it's on the rise there as well. It seems like most countries agree that it is "rising" because of better testing, and a broader definition of Autism.

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Oh I didn't mean that it's not on the rise or it doesn't happen in other countries or that it happens more in the USA. not at all. . Of course it happens everywhere . I was just sharing what I know about "the country" I come from (even though I have been here for MANY years and this is my home now) and that's the information I have about it...

Posted 4/5/09 9:30 PM
 

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Re: Jenny McCarthy...autism....

Posted by aliska21


lol...i was replying to her first line..didnt even,..read what the other said..haha.....how dumb of me..!!!

i know that everyone will not agree...and every mommy has her own opinion..and knows her baby better than anyone....so thats y im asking..u ...Mommies...how u feel about this...n y does that make u feel:)



personally, I think JM gives parent's false hope.

my advice is to read more on the subject.... that's all....

Posted 4/5/09 9:31 PM
 
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