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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: 5 Freedoms You'd Lose in Health Care Reform
Posted by Cpt2007
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Posted by Blu-ize
Has anyone written a letter or sent an email or called their elected officials?
If you did, did you get a response?
I did, and all I got was an automated response from Schumer, and zip from Gillibrand 
Did you try your house member yet? calls go farther than emails too. it's immediate whereas an email may sit and letters take weeks to get to them b/c of the mail screening process (irradiation process set up after Anthrax).
thanks - I will try calling
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Re: 5 Freedoms You'd Lose in Health Care Reform
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: 5 Freedoms You'd Lose in Health Care Reform
I just re-read the article carefully
I now completely understand (and AGREE) with Senator Jim De Mint when he said that passing this bill will be Obama's Waterloo.
GOD HELP US!!!!! 
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| Posted 7/28/09 8:05 PM |
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steph7308
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Re: 5 Freedoms You'd Lose in Health Care Reform
i wish i understood everything... everytime i try to read about this its like reading another language. i have the family health plus plan thru the state... is that what hes trying to give to everyone or would i be loosing this too? if someone can explain this to me in english please fm me.
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| Posted 7/28/09 8:59 PM |
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Deedlebugs
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Re: 5 Freedoms You'd Lose in Health Care Reform
I knew knew knew this is what was going to happen. Im very sad and worried.
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| Posted 7/28/09 9:44 PM |
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Kidsaplenty
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Re: 5 Freedoms You'd Lose in Health Care Reform
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by Blu-ize
Has anyone written a letter or sent an email or called their elected officials?
If you did, did you get a response?
I did, and all I got was an automated response from Schumer, and zip from Gillibrand
Ditto. My husband and I write to them all the time and never get a response.
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| Posted 7/28/09 9:47 PM |
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Re: 5 Freedoms You'd Lose in Health Care Reform
Posted by NinasMommy
I knew knew knew this is what was going to happen. Im very sad and worried.
I had a friend tell me she told me so today. I had no response. I just can't believe that people are going to accept this. I can't even imagine what else is in store, but the way in which this has unfolded has me scared about everything--and all of the promised "change," which used to sound good.
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| Posted 7/28/09 9:59 PM |
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LSP2005
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Re: 5 Freedoms You'd Lose in Health Care Reform
This is horrible. I would not mind paying more to give children healthcare (schip) and to give uninsured americans a physical and gyno visit each year. But why does everyone who has benefits via their employers need to loose them? I am starting to regret my vote.
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| Posted 7/28/09 10:14 PM |
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anonttcer
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Re: 5 Freedoms You'd Lose in Health Care Reform
Posted by LSP2005
This is horrible. I would not mind paying more to give children healthcare (schip) and to give uninsured americans a physical and gyno visit each year. But why does everyone who has benefits via their employers need to loose them? I am starting to regret my vote.
I hope everyone remembers this when it comes time for re-election.
Hopefully the country won't be messed up beyond help in 4 years... 
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| Posted 7/28/09 10:36 PM |
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DaniJude
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Re: 5 Freedoms You'd Lose in Health Care Reform
Thank you Susan. We will continue to write in hopes that it IS helping. We are also going to do our part and attend a march against this and other policies in Washington DC on 9/12. Hopefully, this will hold out until then at which point our voices can really be heard. 
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| Posted 7/28/09 11:00 PM |
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donegal419
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Re: 5 Freedoms You'd Lose in Health Care Reform
also, DH saw on the news today that if you do elect to carry private insurance it's cost would become taxable income. For example, say your plan costs $1,000 a month. You pay $200 a month and your employer pays $800 a month. That $800 would be multiplied by 12 and the $9600 would become part of your total income of the year and you would be taxed on it. CRAZINESS! not to mention how that would be a lot of people into a higher tax bracket that they're not really in.
Does anyone know more about this?
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| Posted 7/29/09 1:32 AM |
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Cpt2007
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Re: 5 Freedoms You'd Lose in Health Care Reform
Posted by donegal419
also, DH saw on the news today that if you do elect to carry private insurance it's cost would become taxable income. For example, say your plan costs $1,000 a month. You pay $200 a month and your employer pays $800 a month. That $800 would be multiplied by 12 and the $9600 would become part of your total income of the year and you would be taxed on it. CRAZINESS! not to mention how that would be a lot of people into a higher tax bracket that they're not really in.
Does anyone know more about this?
As of now, NO bill either introduced or otherwise has a tax on employer paid for health care. It is an idea that has been talked about in the Senate Finance Committee (the committee that is in charge of writing the fincancing plan for the overhall in the Senate), but as of now, no one has put that into writing. It also looks to be a dead issue b/c of the opposition to it.
The big difference b/w the two sets of bills (House Bill vs Senate Bills) is that the House Bill does not even remotely try to pay for it in a wise way. It shoves all of the costs to the future, and doesn't offset the cost at all. The Senate HELP Committee Bill (the one that talks about the actual plan, but not the financing part) is a more scaled down plan, with fewer drastic changes to the overall system we have now, and does not cost nearly as much (I hate to say "only" in cases like these, but the HELP bill plan would "only" cost around $667B, vs the $1.7 Trillion the House plan costs).
The Senate Finance Committee Bill is the one that everyone is still waiting on b/c that one spells out how to pay for the program that is suggested in the HELP Committee Bill.
But again, it seems to be a dead issue (taxing employer given health care benefits).
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| Posted 7/29/09 6:59 AM |
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Cpt2007
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Re: 5 Freedoms You'd Lose in Health Care Reform
Cannot stress enough how important it is to call your House of Represenatives Member this week if you feel strongly. The Senate isn't going to be doing anything with this for a while, and the House is trying to vote on their bill soon.
You can find who your representative is here: US House of Representatives
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cjik
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Re: 5 Freedoms You'd Lose in Health Care Reform
Posted by Cpt2007
As of now, NO bill either introduced or otherwise has a tax on employer paid for health care. It is an idea that has been talked about in the Senate Finance Committee (the committee that is in charge of writing the fincancing plan for the overhall in the Senate), but as of now, no one has put that into writing. It also looks to be a dead issue b/c of the opposition to it.
Thanks for the information. I think this is part of the problem right now--the details are being worked out, and many are not permanent at this point. But a lot of commentators and media figures jump on them, and then everyone gets worried.
That said, I still don't feel like I have a good handle on what is happening, and I would like to hear more from an impartial source. Is there such a thing?
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| Posted 7/29/09 7:30 AM |
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cjik
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Re: 5 Freedoms You'd Lose in Health Care Reform
Posted by JennyOR99
i do think this thing is going through too fast but something does need to be done about healthcare in this country.
sounds like i'm like the rest of you...i've a great plan and i love it...DH and i have good jobs and good plans. But don't any of you worry about if you lost your job and lost your insurance? i think the worst thing about the current system is that healthcare is linked to your job. i guess that's my greatest fear with the current system. we have savings etc.. and i *think* our jobs are both pretty safe but what if something did happen and one or both of us lost our jobs and then we got seriously ill or were in an accident...i'd hate to think that we'd be one of those 46 million just left to put up with bad care or no care.
i lived for a long time in the UK and although the system has it's flaws at least there was no fear of losing your job and losing your good care or topping out your insurace if you had to have specialised treatment and going into debt to stay alive.
something does need to change badly but this does seem fast.
I agree. But then I guess that makes me a socialist.
But it is a problem to have your insurance tied together with your job. And while I am happy with my insurance now, if my husband's employer decided to change plans, we are pretty well stuck with it. That happened to me with one employer in the past.
I think it's easy to shout health care reform down. I'm not saying I like what is happening at this point, but I am happy this topic is finally being addressed after years of neglect. I didn't think anyone would touch it again after the Clintons.
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Re: 5 Freedoms You'd Lose in Health Care Reform
Posted by cjik
That said, I still don't feel like I have a good handle on what is happening, and I would like to hear more from an impartial source. Is there such a thing?
I like factcheck.org. It seems to be the closest thing to objective, and unfortunately they have found lots of holes in health care reform.
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leighdvm
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Re: 5 Freedoms You'd Lose in Health Care Reform
The President will be in Raleigh this morning, trying to gather some support for this crap. Hope he doesn't get it......I wrote to my congressmen/women earlier and gave them my opinion about this mess.
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| Posted 7/29/09 8:39 AM |
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JennyOR99
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Re: 5 Freedoms You'd Lose in Health Care Reform
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Re: 5 Freedoms You'd Lose in Health Care Reform
Posted by cjik
Posted by JennyOR99
i do think this thing is going through too fast but something does need to be done about healthcare in this country.
sounds like i'm like the rest of you...i've a great plan and i love it...DH and i have good jobs and good plans. But don't any of you worry about if you lost your job and lost your insurance? i think the worst thing about the current system is that healthcare is linked to your job. i guess that's my greatest fear with the current system. we have savings etc.. and i *think* our jobs are both pretty safe but what if something did happen and one or both of us lost our jobs and then we got seriously ill or were in an accident...i'd hate to think that we'd be one of those 46 million just left to put up with bad care or no care.
i lived for a long time in the UK and although the system has it's flaws at least there was no fear of losing your job and losing your good care or topping out your insurace if you had to have specialised treatment and going into debt to stay alive.
something does need to change badly but this does seem fast.
I agree. But then I guess that makes me a socialist.
But it is a problem to have your insurance tied together with your job. And while I am happy with my insurance now, if my husband's employer decided to change plans, we are pretty well stuck with it. That happened to me with one employer in the past.
I think it's easy to shout health care reform down. I'm not saying I like what is happening at this point, but I am happy this topic is finally being addressed after years of neglect. I didn't think anyone would touch it again after the Clintons.
I agree. Is the VA system socialist? No.. it's a standardized government system aimed at providing service to everyone. I wish everyone could just take a breath and calm down for a second. As it stands, health care in this country is extremely poor. I understand that a lot of people on here are fortunate enough to have good health care, but there are too many uninsured and under-insured Americans. We spend so much, and our health does not reflect that. There are many industrialized countries with universal health care.. are they socialist? I commend Obama for pushing for change. I know there are a lot of wonky ideas we're hearing about right now.. I'm just trying to trust in the process that they'll be worked out for the most part.
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anonttcer
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Re: 5 Freedoms You'd Lose in Health Care Reform
I am all for doing somethign about the Healthcare in this country. It is definitely a mess. And the private insurance companies are horrible too for the most part.
And yes, it would be nice to know that people who dont' have healthcare will now have it and that if we ever lost our jobs we would be covered and ok.
The problem I- and a lot of people- have with the proposed plan is the lack of choice and freedom.
Telling everyone they HAVE to go on the govt plan. Taxing those who chose to stay with private insurance, things like that.
As long as the choice is preserved I think everyone would feel much better about it.
The cries of Socialism are coming from the feeling that we will be FORCED into this...
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ave1024
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Re: 5 Freedoms You'd Lose in Health Care Reform
Posted by cjik
But it is a problem to have your insurance tied together with your job. And while I am happy with my insurance now, if my husband's employer decided to change plans, we are pretty well stuck with it. That happened to me with one employer in the past.
But you see you do have a choice. You can change jobs.
When I consider working for a company, the pay and quality of life at the job aren't the only two things I consider. The benefits are high on the list as well.
I think this Obama health plan reeks of uglyness.
I sure hope all the people that were pro-Obama in November are happy with their choice.
I saw this coming a mile away.
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Mommy2Boys
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Re: 5 Freedoms You'd Lose in Health Care Reform
Posted by ave1024
Posted by cjik
But it is a problem to have your insurance tied together with your job. And while I am happy with my insurance now, if my husband's employer decided to change plans, we are pretty well stuck with it. That happened to me with one employer in the past.
But you see you do have a choice. You can change jobs.
When I consider working for a company, the pay and quality of life at the job aren't the only two things I consider. The benefits are high on the list as well.
Something my parents always stressed to me was going into a field and getting a job with GREAT health insurance b/c it is as important as your salary.
My parents both worked for Verizon and went on many of strikes, sometimes for months, to fight for their health insurance. Now if Obama's plan goes through, they can lose their coverage b/c a big company like Verizon will go to a gov't plan in a heartbeat to save a few bucks. My dad is a bad diabetic and requires alot of medical care including laser eye surgery every few months to keep his eye sight. His fear is the gov't won't allow his eye surgery's or cover his eye surgery's as his current plan does.
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DaniJude
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Re: 5 Freedoms You'd Lose in Health Care Reform
Posted by fuego
I agree. Is the VA system socialist? No.. it's a standardized government system aimed at providing service to everyone. I wish everyone could just take a breath and calm down for a second. As it stands, health care in this country is extremely poor. I understand that a lot of people on here are fortunate enough to have good health care, but there are too many uninsured and under-insured Americans. We spend so much, and our health does not reflect that. There are many industrialized countries with universal health care.. are they socialist? I commend Obama for pushing for change. I know there are a lot of wonky ideas we're hearing about right now.. I'm just trying to trust in the process that they'll be worked out for the most part.
Well, the only thing is the VA system provides care to a fraction of what the socialized system would be providing it to - start to raise those numbers on a much larger scale and it becomes very difficult to treat everyone on a quality level - or anywhere near quality. We would be going from treating our Veteran's to treating ALL citizens - err, I mean, ALL people living here.
Please don't take this the wrong way -- I am not trying to single you out... But, do you have any loved ones who rely solely on the VA system for their healthcare? I have MANY - and they say that it is the most unorganized, discombobulated, mess of a system that gets it's patients nowhere fast. My father spent SEVEN hours on the phone once trying to solve one simple "typo" on his paperwork.
There is an entire DVD on how Brain Injury patients -- coming home from Iraq, mind you -- are being TOTALLY ignored and are sitting in nursing homes in comas... They can be treated, but because the VA only has four poly-trauma centers in the US, they don't have any room. FOUR centers - for our entire Armed Forces. And these brain injury patients are the worst of the worst. The entire system is drowning in red ink -- The DVD is called "To Iraq and Back" and it really sheds some light on the entire system and how it is failing our Veteran's right before our eyes.
Last I checked - letting the gov't run any of these types of programs never really works out well... Medicaid (I have several loved ones on this and they say it can be worse than the VA system - scary), social security, the veteran's health system, etc. All of these programs are a total mess - a paperwork-infused, not-getting-anything-done quagmire.
Maybe all the people I know who have had these experiences are in the minority? I doubt it but maybe that's the case. I urge you to take a drive over to the VA hospital in Northport -- it is right near my house. See the kind of care that these people are receiving and the environment they are receiving it in... then tell me if you'd like to send your children there... or yourself... or your husband. I'm not trying to be snarky - I'm just saying from experience and when it comes to my health and the health of my loved ones I take it very seriously. 
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DaniJude
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Re: 5 Freedoms You'd Lose in Health Care Reform
My Congressman is Tim Bishop (God help me) and I'm sure a lot of you have the same... So, instead of having to search here is his information for contacting him...
You can also contact me or one of my hardworking staff at the following offices. Normal office hours are 9 to 6, Monday through Friday.
Coram Office:
3680 Route 112, Suite C
Coram, NY 11727
(631) 696-6500
(631) 696-4520 (fax)
Southampton Office
137 Hampton Road
Southampton, NY 11968
(631) 259-8450
(631) 259-8451 (fax)
Washington Office:
306 Cannon H.O.B.
Washington, DC 20515
(202) 225-3826
(202) 225-3143 (fax)
Link if you want to EMAIL him
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| Posted 7/29/09 10:06 AM |
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Cpt2007
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Re: 5 Freedoms You'd Lose in Health Care Reform
Everyone keeps saying that we are being "forced" to take the public option proposed in the House bill.
Would anyone care to point to the EXACT section and title of the bill where it says that?? Or show me an article in the news that points to the exact section and title of the bill with the source reference??
Until someone can point to the bill language that says "All Americans must partake in the public gov't run option and will be penalized for staying with their employer paid for private health insurance," all that is is fear mongering.
Here is a link to the full text of the bill from thomas.loc.gov, the legislative search engine provided to the public by the Library of Congress.
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