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gina409
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
I mean I guess we agree to disagree but you are telling me you think a execution shooting death of two cops sitting in a car is comparable to the deaths of garner and brown?
And it can't be bc they were preventable bc all death can be (excluding sickness etc)
One was murder. Intent to kill
I don't believe the others were
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by gina409
I mean I guess we agree to disagree but you are telling me you think a execution shooting death of two cops sitting in a car is comparable to the deaths of garner and brown?
And it can't be bc they were preventable bc all death can be (excluding sickness etc)
One was murder. Intent to kill
I don't believe the others were
I agree. I don't believe there was intent in either police killing case. Whether there was some sort of responsibility by the officer is a completely different, incredibly complex discussion.
But we do try to stop preventable deaths. Better seat belts to prevent accidents, vaccinations to prevent certain sicknesses, etc. My point is that something absolutely must be done to make it safer for police officers. It is an absolute necessity than we examine this. But that does not mean we can't also look at ways to prevent police from killing suspects as well.
But I think we've whirled off topic. Initially, I was just trying to respond to your comment that we can't compare the two. In my opinion, we can. They seem two sides of a coin. Protect the police, train the police to better protect all people, even suspects.
If what you mean is that one is worse than the other, well, that's a different matter.
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
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I took it as the "killers" of Eric garner and Michael brown are alive and free
And the officers Killer is not and had he not taken his life h would have been prosecuted where as the other officers were not
So in essence it is comparing the two as if they are be same
And they are the complete opposite
Unless you think the officers in those cases went out that day with the intent to murder brown and garner
So to compRe the two in any sense to me is mind boggling
The fact that either side is considering one life to be worth more than the other is mind boggling.
The fact that you are considering two officers lives the same as two criminals who were fighting or resisting arrest is mind boggling to me! I am sure I will get flamed for this but I don't care. The fact that these officers losing their lives today is becoming an outlet for people to once again defend two criminals and even now compare them to these officers is actually stomach turning. As someone married to someone in law enforcement, with many friends in law enforcement, some in NYPD, I make zero apologies for my belief that an officer's life is worth more than a criminal!
Let's get back onto the topic which is a true tragedy ... 2 INNOCENT officers lost their lives today protecting the city of NY , 5 days before Christmas! May they rest in peace.
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by gina409
I mean I guess we agree to disagree but you are telling me you think a execution shooting death of two cops sitting in a car is comparable to the deaths of garner and brown?
And it can't be bc they were preventable bc all death can be (excluding sickness etc)
One was murder. Intent to kill
I don't believe the others were
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Well the mayor enticed this, as did many others, by riling up the public and backstabbing the cops. Honestly I wish these cops didnt need the pay or the benefits and they would all quit and let these communities that they try to keep SAFE crumble.
The man that shot them supposedly had just murdered his ex GF I read. So basically an animal who killed his GF decided to take more out on the cops that the mayor and the public both had a hand in, with their rallies and abuse of the cops. Another animal who will be hailed a HERO. DISGUSTING.
Do NOT resist an officer, it''s his/her job to have power. If none of these men resisted, they would be ALIVE today. And they resisted b/c they were committing crimes, petty or not. Yes, that's their JOB. They have POWER. Just like parents have power over their children, officers do have power over civilians but the ANIMALS want to buck back and GOD forbid ANYONE reprimands these crimals. And they get hailed as heroes for resisting arrest while committing crimes and then this whole chain of events riles up the public and now this happens?
I am SICK over this shit. So sick of this world. And that MAYOR is a REAL problem. REAL problem. WHat a POS. What's he gonna say now?
I totally agree with everything you wrote. They said the Mayor walked into the hospital and didn't even say anything to all the cops who were there showing support. I would have escorted him out. He has no business being there.
Yeah, he had to run home to tell Dante how to "protect" him self from the police. OMG. What a disgusting man. Maybe teach your son not to be a thug, NOT to commit crimes, NOT to hang out with criminals, NOT to harass others or steal, NOT to resist arrest and to obey a police officer. But no….b/c his son is half black, he is going to be a "victim" to the police. What a DISGUSTING man to speak this way, to back stab our police. Who risk their lives EVERYDAY for pennies. DISGUSTING, I am livid!!!!!
agree!!!!!!!
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My brother is NYPD and I think about him every day. This is only the beginning of it all. The Mayor of NYC has opened the doors and more bad crap is going to happen. I have lived in NYC my entire life. I remember the 1970s when Police Officers were killed on a daily basis. Is this what we are going to return to?
In the end, what happens is that people do not join the police force. They in turn, hire people who really shouldn't be on the force and more bad stuff happens.
It really boils down to this....you do bad things, you get caught, the police have the right to arrest you. You resist arrest, there is a chance you are going to get hurt. Or maybe, the police say, screw it, and they start to not address crimes any more. And, they let you go and as a result, the criminal does something worse. Who gets blamed then?
The act of executing these police officers was premeditated. To bad, the murderer was coward enough to then kill himself.
God Bless the men and women in blue, who protect the people of NYC for pennies each day. Without them, who are you going to call when your in trouble? Ghostbusters?
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My sister is NYPD, and she knew one of the men (not well). She and the other officers are devastated and scared. It is unthinkable that these officers were killed just for doing their jobs. I am already constantly scared for her, as she works in a very dangerous neighborhood; this only doubles my worry.
I can only hope that the families and police officers in general can be somewhat comforted by the incredible outpouring of support from the community and across the nation.
We can't let this tragedy further divide communities and police officers, as that hurts everyone. We must remember that just as most police officers are good and cannot be blamed for the actions of the bad ones, the same goes for the despicable act of the terrible man who killed those officers. The evil was in him, not in those who are protesting the non-indictments. Blame the man who killed, not anybody else; otherwise, you just are adding hatred to an already volatile situation, which is the ultimate disrespect to the officers who died while protecting their communities.
My thoughts are with the families, who lost something irreplaceable yesterday, and with police, whose already dangerous jobs have become even more dangerous. Let's hope we can rise above blind hatred and blame and move toward some workable solutions.
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This article looks to be a pretty good summary of everything and influxes a lot of quotes, inc from Obama. http://www.buzzfeed.com/davidmack/bed-stuy-nypd-shooting
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by Summergirl
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Posted by gina409
I took it as the "killers" of Eric garner and Michael brown are alive and free
And the officers Killer is not and had he not taken his life h would have been prosecuted where as the other officers were not
So in essence it is comparing the two as if they are be same
And they are the complete opposite
Unless you think the officers in those cases went out that day with the intent to murder brown and garner
So to compRe the two in any sense to me is mind boggling
The fact that either side is considering one life to be worth more than the other is mind boggling.
The fact that you are considering two officers lives the same as two criminals who were fighting or resisting arrest is mind boggling to me! I am sure I will get flamed for this but I don't care. The fact that these officers losing their lives today is becoming an outlet for people to once again defend two criminals and even now compare them to these officers is actually stomach turning. As someone married to someone in law enforcement, with many friends in law enforcement, some in NYPD, I make zero apologies for my belief that an officer's life is worth more than a criminal!
Let's get back onto the topic which is a true tragedy ... 2 INNOCENT officers lost their lives today protecting the city of NY , 5 days before Christmas! May they rest in peace.
I'm not an Internet bully and trying to be dismissive in my comments so no snark needed. All I am saying is that death all around these cases is horrible for all families and its sad to see some comments..not just here but over all that justify killing. I shed tears for Garner, Brown and officers Liu and Ramos. Garner and Brown were not the same level of criminal as this man who shot these officers so please don't try to make it seem like I'm trying to say a murderers life is just as important as a cop...that's not what I'm saying at all. My context is specifically based on the cases clearly related (and that others are interchanging as related) to these awful executions and the two other murders that led up to one man deciding he was going to execute two officers for payback.
All of these families are grieving, just as the officers families are grieving so are Garner and Brown's families and people are making comments..not as much on LIF but all over that are equating Brown and Garner to monkeys that need exterminating to its wabbit hunting season referring to cops and worse. I'm disgusted by both sides and its my right to feel that all these lives matter. I've carried a weapon and though not a police officer, I get that people are sensitive because they have loved ones who are out on those streets risking their lives and it could easily had been them.
My fear...life devaluation is going to become widespread on both sides and a vicious cycle is going to kick in where more innocent people are going to get killed.
But most importantly now. RIP to the fallen officers. They didn't deserve to die.
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Posted by mrsboss
There has most certainly been credible evidence the last 3 weeks of black gangs ordered to kill on duty and off duty cops. Cops (my family is NYPD, so it's not hearsay), have been ordered to their desks, do not serve warrants, do nothing unless an arrest is guaranteed, to protect themselves. There is a bounty on cops heads, where have you been?!
This POS mayor has incited this, instigated this brazen behavior. Allowed it. Encouraged it. He is no leader. He is a poor, pathetic excuse for a leader of any city, let alone NY.
It is pitiful that law enforcement has to be afraid to do their jobs. Maybe some people don't remember what NYC was like during times of weak leadership. My family owned a large car wholesale business on Jerome Ave in the Bronx for 30 years. There was a time when 5 or 6 cars would get stolen everyday in broad daylight and when we called the police to make reports they would not get out of their patrol car under any circumstance. They were fearful, rightfully so because they were being killed regularly.
Yes, there are bad cops but the lesson that is being missed here is respect. It starts with self respect, then respect for authority. All people in our society need to be reminded that laws exist for ALL of us. I believe in enforcing the law to the fullest extent. Many of you know my story, I have an adult child that was convicted of a very serious( nonviolent) crime and I am proud to say he was punished to the fullest extent of the law.
He has been roughed up by law enforcement many times since being released from jail and my response is- don't be a criminal, don't act shady, drive a legal vehicle, etc and you won't get roughed up. Because of his record police will be concerned about him and I agree with them. Now after 5 years of a clean record and conducting himself like a quality citizen he is starting to deserve the same treatment as people who obey laws. This is my son! A double standard does not apply! Do not break the law! It's very simple!
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Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Media reported a third incident where a perp aimed his gun at a cop in the Bronx and pulled the trigger last night. Luckily he didn't realize he was already out of bullets from shooting up a building.
This is despicable. Perps think they are above the law. That is the problem here.
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Posted by luvmotherhood
Media reported a third incident where a perp aimed his gun at a cop in the Bronx and pulled the trigger last night. Luckily he didn't realize he was already out of bullets from shooting up a building.
This is despicable. Perps think they are above the law. That is the problem here.
Yeah, if that's true, someone go ahead and say that's not a bad sign. I don't think this was so clearly an isolated, single deranged man incident. I think he wanted to off his girlfriend for whatever reason, and decided well eff it, I'm going to jail anyway, might as well make the statement that everyone's been waiting for. The amount of SUPPORT for what this man did in social media is terrifying.
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
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The murder of these police officers is despicable. It is horrendous, and absolutely senseless. My deepest prayers and condolences go out to their loved ones and families.
However. These men were killed by ONE deranged person, who then, as I am reading, killed himself. This wasn't a battle cry by a group of people who set out to kill police officers. So cries of "they are animals", and talk of a "war on whites" are also troubling. This was not that. This was the action of one person. To call that one man an animal, I understand. But this wasn't a group of people, and to lump a group of people in with the perpetrator of this crime is unfair. The slain officers deserve all the respect in the world for the job they did, and sadly died doing. But I'm really disturbed and saddened by much of the response im seeing, as well.
Ah, so you're one of those, huh?
Where the f*ck have you been?
If one of those is someone who thinks that not all protestors are thugs or animals, and thinks that we can mourn the murders of police as well as the unjust killing of civilians, then yes I'm one of those.
Lee has, as usual, shared my thoughts much more eloquently than I could have. I do see that there is a trend occurring in terms of attacks on police, and I am just as disturbed and sickened by this as anyone else.
I do think that the social media comments go both ways. The ones last night were despicable, but so are the ones I've seen about Eric garner and Michael brown. It's not one or the other.
I'm not going to fight with anyone about this, because I don't disagree about this absolutely horrendous crime. May the officers rest in peace and as we say in Judaism may their memories be a blessing.
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Yeah, if that's true, someone go ahead and say that's not a bad sign. I don't think this was so clearly an isolated, single deranged man incident. I think he wanted to off his girlfriend for whatever reason, and decided well eff it, I'm going to jail anyway, might as well make the statement that everyone's been waiting for. The amount of SUPPORT for what this man did in social media is terrifying.
That is the frightening part...all of the comments from those who keep saying it's a good thing they were killed and that's what the NYPD gets...how crazy is that??? My stepson is in high school and he said that having debates with his friends over this has been insane. They were handing out #BlackLivesMatter stickers in his school. He declined to wear one...when his friends questioned him, he said it should be#AllLivesMatter. One of his closest friends couldn't see the value in all lives, whereas a girl he was speaking with, who initially elected to wear it, took it off after their discussion and said he was right, it shouldn't be one more than another.
It's scary what our teens are being taught -- they are the future...my husband always tells my stepson, if you are ever approached by officers you always show them respect, even if you are right and they are wrong...you say yes sir and yes ma'am...they're doing their job and your job as a civilian is to be civil....well, fast forward to my son's dr. appointment and the nurse was talking about how she has to teach her son about interacting with the cops and my stepson said that his father teaches him how to interact with cops, too. Well, she was astounded that he, seemingly "white" though a complete mix of many different ethnicity, including Jamaican, needed to be taught how to interact with police officers. She told him she didn't know that "white people had to be taught about dealing with the police." 
We all need to understand that there is a hierarchy of power and it starts with respect. Respect yourself, respect your family, respect authority. A friend shared this video on facebook yesterday -- it is very powerful and very well said. take a moment to watch it, if you can.
The Hard Truth - Emeka Mbadiwe
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Posted by Goobster
Well the mayor enticed this, as did many others, by riling up the public and backstabbing the cops. Honestly I wish these cops didnt need the pay or the benefits and they would all quit and let these communities that they try to keep SAFE crumble.
The man that shot them supposedly had just murdered his ex GF I read. So basically an animal who killed his GF decided to take more out on the cops that the mayor and the public both had a hand in, with their rallies and abuse of the cops. Another animal who will be hailed a HERO. DISGUSTING. I bet none of these animals who will applaud this animal will even THINK of the innocent woman he just murdered and that he was a VIOLENT Criminal that the police try to PROTECT others from.
Do NOT resist an officer, it''s his/her job to have power. If none of these men resisted, they would be ALIVE today. And they resisted b/c they were committing crimes, petty or not. Yes, that's their JOB. They have POWER. Just like parents have power over their children, officers do have power over civilians but the ANIMALS want to buck back and GOD forbid ANYONE reprimands these criminals. And they get hailed as heroes for resisting arrest while committing crimes and then this whole chain of events riles up the public and now this happens? People now going to attack and intimidate cops from doing their jobs? Don't be a criminal and odds are you won't get shot or killed by police. Pretty simple huh?
I am SICK over this shit. So sick of this world. And that MAYOR is a REAL problem. REAL problem. WHat a POS. What's he gonna say now?
Well said!!!
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The murder of these police officers is despicable. It is horrendous, and absolutely senseless. My deepest prayers and condolences go out to their loved ones and families.
However. These men were killed by ONE deranged person, who then, as I am reading, killed himself. This wasn't a battle cry by a group of people who set out to kill police officers. So cries of "they are animals", and talk of a "war on whites" are also troubling. This was not that. This was the action of one person. To call that one man an animal, I understand. But this wasn't a group of people, and to lump a group of people in with the perpetrator of this crime is unfair. The slain officers deserve all the respect in the world for the job they did, and sadly died doing. But I'm really disturbed and saddened by much of the response im seeing, as well.
Ah, so you're one of those, huh?
Where the f*ck have you been?
If one of those is someone who thinks that not all protestors are thugs or animals, and thinks that we can mourn the murders of police as well as the unjust killing of civilians, then yes I'm one of those.
Lee has, as usual, shared my thoughts much more eloquently than I could have. I do see that there is a trend occurring in terms of attacks on police, and I am just as disturbed and sickened by this as anyone else.
I do think that the social media comments go both ways. The ones last night were despicable, but so are the ones I've seen about Eric garner and Michael brown. It's not one or the other.
I'm not going to fight with anyone about this, because I don't disagree about this absolutely horrendous crime. May the officers rest in peace and as we say in Judaism may their memories be a blessing.
I'm with you on this one, M--word for word.
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
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Posted by MandJZ
The murder of these police officers is despicable. It is horrendous, and absolutely senseless. My deepest prayers and condolences go out to their loved ones and families.
However. These men were killed by ONE deranged person, who then, as I am reading, killed himself. This wasn't a battle cry by a group of people who set out to kill police officers. So cries of "they are animals", and talk of a "war on whites" are also troubling. This was not that. This was the action of one person. To call that one man an animal, I understand. But this wasn't a group of people, and to lump a group of people in with the perpetrator of this crime is unfair. The slain officers deserve all the respect in the world for the job they did, and sadly died doing. But I'm really disturbed and saddened by much of the response im seeing, as well.
Ah, so you're one of those, huh?
Where the f*ck have you been?
If one of those is someone who thinks that not all protestors are thugs or animals, and thinks that we can mourn the murders of police as well as the unjust killing of civilians, then yes I'm one of those.
Lee has, as usual, shared my thoughts much more eloquently than I could have. I do see that there is a trend occurring in terms of attacks on police, and I am just as disturbed and sickened by this as anyone else.
I do think that the social media comments go both ways. The ones last night were despicable, but so are the ones I've seen about Eric garner and Michael brown. It's not one or the other.
I'm not going to fight with anyone about this, because I don't disagree about this absolutely horrendous crime. May the officers rest in peace and as we say in Judaism may their memories be a blessing.
I haven't comment because, well, "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all"
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"Unjust killing of civilians"??? You mean, the preventable outcome of some thugs threatening police or resisting arrest after breaking the law.
Civilians? How about criminals?! Unjust? How about you stop breaking the law and putting your life and the polices lives in life threatening situations?!
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There was also an officer shot on killed in Tampa last night. They have not released a motive yet.
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Posted by LeeCR7
It is absolutely sickening. It is heartbreaking that these men were executed while doing their job. A tragedy and a crime.
I don't like this trend we seem to be getting into in judging which lives are worth more. It's better, somehow, if those who are not police officers die? What lives are worth more than other? Is there a list somewhere I could look at?
We feel so strongly when police officers and soldiers die because they die protecting us, and that is something they earn. But it does not mean we can't mourn other deaths, or that other lives aren't equally valuable. Who gets to judge that? You? Me? If one of my daughters becomes a police officer while the other becomes an accountant, am I going to mourn more if the police officer daughter is killed? Of course not.
There is this terrible falsehood that we have to pick a side. We can either be behind the police and stand behind every decision every cop ever makes or we can recognize the tragedy of the deaths of Garner and Brown (because they are tragedies, even if preventable ones: try telling their families, mothers, children otherwise) and, in doing so, hate and disrespect the police. That is simply insane. Most of us are going to react on a case-by-case basis rather than paint every situation with one brush.
There are extremists everywhere, in every movement, in every group. This group is no better or worse. In terms of reading comments posted online, have you not seen the incredible amount of racist comments that are often posted? Or sexist comments? You certainly can't judge a movement by anonymous comments posted online.
Be angry at these murders. Be sad. Be proactive in thinking abut how to prevent others. But don't let the actions of one evil man color your ideas of an entire group, just like those on the other side can't let the actions of a few police officers color their perception of all police officers. Be better than that. Because if most of us can't do that, I fear for us all.
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
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Posted by MandJZ
The murder of these police officers is despicable. It is horrendous, and absolutely senseless. My deepest prayers and condolences go out to their loved ones and families.
However. These men were killed by ONE deranged person, who then, as I am reading, killed himself. This wasn't a battle cry by a group of people who set out to kill police officers. So cries of "they are animals", and talk of a "war on whites" are also troubling. This was not that. This was the action of one person. To call that one man an animal, I understand. But this wasn't a group of people, and to lump a group of people in with the perpetrator of this crime is unfair. The slain officers deserve all the respect in the world for the job they did, and sadly died doing. But I'm really disturbed and saddened by much of the response im seeing, as well.
Ah, so you're one of those, huh?
Where the f*ck have you been?
If one of those is someone who thinks that not all protestors are thugs or animals, and thinks that we can mourn the murders of police as well as the unjust killing of civilians, then yes I'm one of those.
Lee has, as usual, shared my thoughts much more eloquently than I could have. I do see that there is a trend occurring in terms of attacks on police, and I am just as disturbed and sickened by this as anyone else.
I do think that the social media comments go both ways. The ones last night were despicable, but so are the ones I've seen about Eric garner and Michael brown. It's not one or the other.
I'm not going to fight with anyone about this, because I don't disagree about this absolutely horrendous crime. May the officers rest in peace and as we say in Judaism may their memories be a blessing.
I haven't comment because, well, "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all"
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"Unjust killing of civilians"??? You mean, the preventable outcome of some thugs threatening police or resisting arrest after breaking the law.
Civilians? How about criminals?! Unjust? How about you stop breaking the law and putting your life and the polices lives in life threatening situations?!
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
I am just disgusted by the anti-police rhetoric that has been regularly spouted by politicians and encouraged by the media. Now I'm seeing posts on other sites saying, "Well if the cops don't like it, they can quit. They choose to put their lives on the line." These two men were sitting in their patrol car and were assassinated in cold blood. My husband, father, father-in-law, and uncle are thankfully retired, but I have several family and close friends that are on the job and I am so fearful for them.
Spare me all the double speak. The facts are very clear. These officers were sitting in their car. They were not resisting arrest. They were not provoking anyone. They were not attacking anyone.
And now there are reports of an officer in the Bronx who had a gun pointed at his head - a gun which by the grace of God, became jammed.
At the same time a police officer in Tarpon Springs, Florida was murdered - just for doing his job.
Tell me again that there is not a war being waged against Police Officers.
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| Posted 12/21/14 11:35 AM |
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Summergirl
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by mrsBLT
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Posted by MandJZ
The murder of these police officers is despicable. It is horrendous, and absolutely senseless. My deepest prayers and condolences go out to their loved ones and families.
However. These men were killed by ONE deranged person, who then, as I am reading, killed himself. This wasn't a battle cry by a group of people who set out to kill police officers. So cries of "they are animals", and talk of a "war on whites" are also troubling. This was not that. This was the action of one person. To call that one man an animal, I understand. But this wasn't a group of people, and to lump a group of people in with the perpetrator of this crime is unfair. The slain officers deserve all the respect in the world for the job they did, and sadly died doing. But I'm really disturbed and saddened by much of the response im seeing, as well.
Ah, so you're one of those, huh?
Where the f*ck have you been?
If one of those is someone who thinks that not all protestors are thugs or animals, and thinks that we can mourn the murders of police as well as the unjust killing of civilians, then yes I'm one of those.
Lee has, as usual, shared my thoughts much more eloquently than I could have. I do see that there is a trend occurring in terms of attacks on police, and I am just as disturbed and sickened by this as anyone else.
I do think that the social media comments go both ways. The ones last night were despicable, but so are the ones I've seen about Eric garner and Michael brown. It's not one or the other.
I'm not going to fight with anyone about this, because I don't disagree about this absolutely horrendous crime. May the officers rest in peace and as we say in Judaism may their memories be a blessing.
I haven't comment because, well, "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all"
BUT
"Unjust killing of civilians"??? You mean, the preventable outcome of some thugs threatening police or resisting arrest after breaking the law.
Civilians? How about criminals?! Unjust? How about you stop breaking the law and putting your life and the polices lives in life threatening situations?!
This 100%!!
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| Posted 12/21/14 11:55 AM |
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cj7305
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by ziamaria
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Yeah, if that's true, someone go ahead and say that's not a bad sign. I don't think this was so clearly an isolated, single deranged man incident. I think he wanted to off his girlfriend for whatever reason, and decided well eff it, I'm going to jail anyway, might as well make the statement that everyone's been waiting for. The amount of SUPPORT for what this man did in social media is terrifying.
That is the frightening part...all of the comments from those who keep saying it's a good thing they were killed and that's what the NYPD gets...how crazy is that??? My stepson is in high school and he said that having debates with his friends over this has been insane. They were handing out #BlackLivesMatter stickers in his school. He declined to wear one...when his friends questioned him, he said it should be#AllLivesMatter. One of his closest friends couldn't see the value in all lives, whereas a girl he was speaking with, who initially elected to wear it, took it off after their discussion and said he was right, it shouldn't be one more than another.
It's scary what our teens are being taught -- they are the future...my husband always tells my stepson, if you are ever approached by officers you always show them respect, even if you are right and they are wrong...you say yes sir and yes ma'am...they're doing their job and your job as a civilian is to be civil....well, fast forward to my son's dr. appointment and the nurse was talking about how she has to teach her son about interacting with the cops and my stepson said that his father teaches him how to interact with cops, too. Well, she was astounded that he, seemingly "white" though a complete mix of many different ethnicity, including Jamaican, needed to be taught how to interact with police officers. She told him she didn't know that "white people had to be taught about dealing with the police."
We all need to understand that there is a hierarchy of power and it starts with respect. Respect yourself, respect your family, respect authority. A friend shared this video on facebook yesterday -- it is very powerful and very well said. take a moment to watch it, if you can.
The Hard Truth - Emeka Mbadiwe
Wow, thank you for introducing me to Emeka Mbadiwe. Just watched a few of this man's videos. HE is the type of person we need all over the media spreading his message of empowerment. Not people such as Sharpton who is an absolute hate monger who has done more to HURT race relations than any one single person. I highly recommend anyone to check out the above video. So smart and an excellent role model.
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| Posted 12/21/14 11:56 AM |
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LeeCR7
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by McSullivan
Tell me again that there is not a war being waged against Police Officers.
It is terrible, but police officers have always been targeted by certain deranged people. Sadly, this is not a new thing. It's one of the reason I was so scared when my sister joined the NYPD, but ultimately, these brave people know the reality and choose to be officers anyway.
This article details targeted police officers from 2000-2006:
http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/magazine/index.cfm?fuseaction=display_arch&article_id=1113&issue_id=22007
Here is a report from 2011 (it's from Fox News, but still interesting) about a rash of police killings in 2011:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/01/24/authorities-fear-cops-targeted-officers-shot-hours/
It's not even an American trend; as recently as October, British police officers were targeted. http://www.hstoday.us/briefings/daily-news-analysis/single-article/police-officers-targeted-as-uk-stops-more-terror-plots/6f2a07909ebf60488510e93f8e287014.html
It's another reason to respect those who choose this line of work. But to blame this targeting on the recent protests is wrong and completely misses the point. There is almost nothing more I want in this world than for my sister and her fellow officers to be safe. But blaming the protesters is not the way to do it. It's just not going to work. Just like the way that evil man took the easy and cowardly way out by targeting innocent officers, it's is unfair and ineffective to equate the protests with causing these murders.
There is room in this country to both protect our police officers and to work toward methods that result in fewer deaths caused by police. I've got to believe that's what we all want.
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| Posted 12/21/14 11:57 AM |
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gina409
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by LeeCR7
Posted by McSullivan
Tell me again that there is not a war being waged against Police Officers.
It is terrible, but police officers have always been targeted by certain deranged people. Sadly, this is not a new thing. It's one of the reason I was so scared when my sister joined the NYPD, but ultimately, these brave people know the reality and choose to be officers anyway.
This article details targeted police officers from 2000-2006:
http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/magazine/index.cfm?fuseaction=display_arch&article_id=1113&issue_id=22007
Here is a report from 2011 (it's from Fox News, but still interesting) about a rash of police killings in 2011:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/01/24/authorities-fear-cops-targeted-officers-shot-hours/
It's not even an American trend; as recently as October, British police officers were targeted. http://www.hstoday.us/briefings/daily-news-analysis/single-article/police-officers-targeted-as-uk-stops-more-terror-plots/6f2a07909ebf60488510e93f8e287014.html
It's another reason to respect those who choose this line of work. But to blame this targeting on the recent protests is wrong and completely misses the point. There is almost nothing more I want in this world than for my sister and her fellow officers to be safe. But blaming the protesters is not the way to do it. It's just not going to work. Just like the way that evil man took the easy and cowardly way out by targeting innocent officers, it's is unfair and ineffective to equate the protests with causing these murders.
There is room in this country to both protect our police officers and to work toward methods that result in fewer deaths caused by police. I've got to believe that's what we all want.
But this is where I'm confused
You day it's another reason to respect those who choose this line of work
But don't you think if garner and brown respected the police the outcome might be different?
And I'm not taking about police action after which caused their death I'm speaking in terms of we have such a lack of respect for police
Where as their deaths the protests and all
After may have never happened
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