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LuckyStar
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Re: Active shooter at high school in Florida
Posted by Momma2015
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Posted by MrsT809
Still trying to understand the details of the shooter's family but he was orphaned and originally from LI.
https://apnews.com/a6fd450470d4464ab423b8b3a911b42d
Okay, I may be wrong about that. His adoptive parents who both passed away were from LI.
He was adopted. His adoptive father died when he was young. His adoptive mother died nov 1, 2017 from the flu. Thanksgiving he moved in with his friend and his family. He had the assault rifle there, locked in a safe. Which they knew about and he purchased legally.
He had been expelled from school. He had made threats about shooting up the school.
Yesterday when it happened, everyone said they knew it would be him.
Legally obtained... exactly why harsher gun laws are needed. This makes my blood boil. 
I just had this argument with my friend. She keeps saying guns aren’t to blame. I can’t. How do people think this way? Why on earth does a civilian need an automatic weapon?
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Re: Active shooter at high school in Florida
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by Momma2015
Posted by ANewDayHasCome
Posted by MrsT809
Still trying to understand the details of the shooter's family but he was orphaned and originally from LI.
https://apnews.com/a6fd450470d4464ab423b8b3a911b42d
Okay, I may be wrong about that. His adoptive parents who both passed away were from LI.
He was adopted. His adoptive father died when he was young. His adoptive mother died nov 1, 2017 from the flu. Thanksgiving he moved in with his friend and his family. He had the assault rifle there, locked in a safe. Which they knew about and he purchased legally.
He had been expelled from school. He had made threats about shooting up the school.
Yesterday when it happened, everyone said they knew it would be him.
Legally obtained... exactly why harsher gun laws are needed. This makes my blood boil.
I just had this argument with my friend. She keeps saying guns aren’t to blame. I can’t. How do people think this way? Why on earth does a civilian need an automatic weapon?
The argument I once heard was- well we like to shoot them- for sport.
I'm sorry but your fuking SPORT shouldn't mean I fear for my and my child's life every time we step out of the house or she goes to school.
Find another fuking sport.
Take up golf.
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MrsT809
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Active shooter at high school in Florida
Apparently he made a YouTube comment in the past about planning to be a professional school shooter. It was reported to the FBI and yet he still found himself in possession of an AR15.
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| Posted 2/15/18 9:23 AM |
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Re: Active shooter at high school in Florida
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by Momma2015
Posted by ANewDayHasCome
Posted by MrsT809
Still trying to understand the details of the shooter's family but he was orphaned and originally from LI.
https://apnews.com/a6fd450470d4464ab423b8b3a911b42d
Okay, I may be wrong about that. His adoptive parents who both passed away were from LI.
He was adopted. His adoptive father died when he was young. His adoptive mother died nov 1, 2017 from the flu. Thanksgiving he moved in with his friend and his family. He had the assault rifle there, locked in a safe. Which they knew about and he purchased legally.
He had been expelled from school. He had made threats about shooting up the school.
Yesterday when it happened, everyone said they knew it would be him.
Legally obtained... exactly why harsher gun laws are needed. This makes my blood boil.
I just had this argument with my friend. She keeps saying guns aren’t to blame. I can’t. How do people think this way? Why on earth does a civilian need an automatic weapon?
The argument I once heard was- well we like to shoot them- for sport.
I'm sorry but your fuking SPORT shouldn't mean I fear for my and my child's life every time we step out of the house or she goes to school.
Find another fuking sport.
Take up golf.
And who is shooting THESE kinds of guns for sport? The public shouldn't be allowed to.
And I don't want to hear any second amendment bullsh!t... the Constitution is a fluid document, made with the intention of being changed as times change. That amendment was made in times of muskets and militia. Not 2018 with automatic assault rifles gunning down children in schools. I'm so sick of this.
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EricaAlt
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Re: Active shooter at high school in Florida
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by Momma2015
Posted by ANewDayHasCome
Posted by MrsT809
Still trying to understand the details of the shooter's family but he was orphaned and originally from LI.
https://apnews.com/a6fd450470d4464ab423b8b3a911b42d
Okay, I may be wrong about that. His adoptive parents who both passed away were from LI.
He was adopted. His adoptive father died when he was young. His adoptive mother died nov 1, 2017 from the flu. Thanksgiving he moved in with his friend and his family. He had the assault rifle there, locked in a safe. Which they knew about and he purchased legally.
He had been expelled from school. He had made threats about shooting up the school.
Yesterday when it happened, everyone said they knew it would be him.
Legally obtained... exactly why harsher gun laws are needed. This makes my blood boil.
I just had this argument with my friend. She keeps saying guns aren’t to blame. I can’t. How do people think this way? Why on earth does a civilian need an automatic weapon?
The argument I once heard was- well we like to shoot them- for sport.
I'm sorry but your fuking SPORT shouldn't mean I fear for my and my child's life every time we step out of the house or she goes to school.
Find another fuking sport.
Take up golf.
Exactly!! I see NO reason anyone should purchase an assault rifle... for what?! Sport?! No f&*'ing way. Go run some track or kick a ball around.
I can't even when people say... well, if there were allowed guns in school then they'd protect themselves. Really?! Add more guns to the mix. It would be a bloody massacre. I DO NOT want to ever shoot a gun. Ever! I don't want to go to Target with a gun in my purse bc the person next to me has a gun so since he/she wants to bring a gun around they feel safer. You want a legal handgun in your home for protection that you got after extensive testing to make sure you are not mentally ill... fine! Leave it there locked up.
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lululu
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Re: Active shooter at high school in Florida
What is most horrific to me is that he told people he wanted to be a school shooter. The second that you say that you should be institutionalized. This was COMPLETELY avoidable.
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NervousNell
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Re: Active shooter at high school in Florida
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by LastLightGlow
I have been lightly researching some of the demographics of the most recent most public school tragedies, perhaps in some type of foolish way to assure myself that his can’t happen in my district, and it seems like a lot of these events happen in highly ranked districts with predominantly middle/upper middle class residents. This Florida district seems highly ranked with the average income in the area in the 200s range. So anywhere is really at risk, even “good districts” and areas.
I was telling DH last night that we need to move back to the city and send DD to NYC public schools where you get wanded before you can enter the building. Those “dangerous” schools are probably the safest of them all.
Plus a lot of them have actual cops assigned to them. Not just security guards.
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Re: Active shooter at high school in Florida
Posted by Momma2015
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by Momma2015
Posted by ANewDayHasCome
Posted by MrsT809
Still trying to understand the details of the shooter's family but he was orphaned and originally from LI.
https://apnews.com/a6fd450470d4464ab423b8b3a911b42d
Okay, I may be wrong about that. His adoptive parents who both passed away were from LI.
He was adopted. His adoptive father died when he was young. His adoptive mother died nov 1, 2017 from the flu. Thanksgiving he moved in with his friend and his family. He had the assault rifle there, locked in a safe. Which they knew about and he purchased legally.
He had been expelled from school. He had made threats about shooting up the school.
Yesterday when it happened, everyone said they knew it would be him.
Legally obtained... exactly why harsher gun laws are needed. This makes my blood boil.
I just had this argument with my friend. She keeps saying guns aren’t to blame. I can’t. How do people think this way? Why on earth does a civilian need an automatic weapon?
The argument I once heard was- well we like to shoot them- for sport.
I'm sorry but your fuking SPORT shouldn't mean I fear for my and my child's life every time we step out of the house or she goes to school.
Find another fuking sport.
Take up golf.
And who is shooting THESE kinds of guns for sport? The public shouldn't be allowed to.
And I don't want to hear any second amendment bullsh!t... the Constitution is a fluid document, made with the intention of being changed as times change. That amendment was made in times of muskets and militia. Not 2018 with automatic assault rifles gunning down children in schools. I'm so sick of this.
Thank you!! I am so over people and their 2nd amendment right.
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MrsT809
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Re: Active shooter at high school in Florida
Posted by Momma2015
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by Momma2015
Posted by ANewDayHasCome
Posted by MrsT809
Still trying to understand the details of the shooter's family but he was orphaned and originally from LI.
https://apnews.com/a6fd450470d4464ab423b8b3a911b42d
Okay, I may be wrong about that. His adoptive parents who both passed away were from LI.
He was adopted. His adoptive father died when he was young. His adoptive mother died nov 1, 2017 from the flu. Thanksgiving he moved in with his friend and his family. He had the assault rifle there, locked in a safe. Which they knew about and he purchased legally.
He had been expelled from school. He had made threats about shooting up the school.
Yesterday when it happened, everyone said they knew it would be him.
Legally obtained... exactly why harsher gun laws are needed. This makes my blood boil.
I just had this argument with my friend. She keeps saying guns aren’t to blame. I can’t. How do people think this way? Why on earth does a civilian need an automatic weapon?
The argument I once heard was- well we like to shoot them- for sport.
I'm sorry but your fuking SPORT shouldn't mean I fear for my and my child's life every time we step out of the house or she goes to school.
Find another fuking sport.
Take up golf.
And who is shooting THESE kinds of guns for sport? The public shouldn't be allowed to.
And I don't want to hear any second amendment bullsh!t... the Constitution is a fluid document, made with the intention of being changed as times change. That amendment was made in times of muskets and militia. Not 2018 with automatic assault rifles gunning down children in schools. I'm so sick of this.
People in my own family, sadly. You want to do it for sport? Fine, let shooting ranges own and rent them. They don't belong in homes.
Others think civilians should be allowed to own anything the military owns so they can defend themselves against our government. The old laws said a well organized militia could own weapons. We don't have well organised anything these days. I don't know how these guns could realistically be removed from civilians but I wish they could be.
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NervousNell
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Re: Active shooter at high school in Florida
Posted by JME78
And once again all of the thoughts and prayers in the world won't stop this from happening again
Change your profile pic to Prayers for Florida.
Yeah that will help.
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MrsT809
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Active shooter at high school in Florida
I can't believe our best strategy is "see something, say something" and training children on how to effectively hide. I don't know whether to cry or throw up
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PhyllisNJoe
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Re: Active shooter at high school in Florida
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by LastLightGlow
I have been lightly researching some of the demographics of the most recent most public school tragedies, perhaps in some type of foolish way to assure myself that his can’t happen in my district, and it seems like a lot of these events happen in highly ranked districts with predominantly middle/upper middle class residents. This Florida district seems highly ranked with the average income in the area in the 200s range. So anywhere is really at risk, even “good districts” and areas.
I was telling DH last night that we need to move back to the city and send DD to NYC public schools where you get wanded before you can enter the building. Those “dangerous” schools are probably the safest of them all.
Plus a lot of them have actual cops assigned to them. Not just security guards.
They do. My high school (Which closed down a long time ago due to violence and a very low graduation rate) when I started going there in 1992 had metal detectors and NYPD along with school security. There were beatings, a dean was thrown down an elevator shaft and from what I learned after I left, a rape in a stairwell. It was mostly razor blades, knives and drugs that were confiscated during the morning pat down to get in.
It was really disgusting, I was always late for my first class and would freeze my ass off waiting on line to go through the detector but I guess I was better off??
That was in 1992 due to gang violence. How is it in 2018, there is zero security? For our most precious of humans - zero safety?
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Re: Active shooter at high school in Florida
Posted by lululu
What is most horrific to me is that he told people he wanted to be a school shooter. The second that you say that you should be institutionalized. This was COMPLETELY avoidable.
From what I saw in one arricle was the FBI was notified of him because of a threat he posted on YouTube about wanting to be a professional school shooter! How the F*CK did he slip through the cracks. The FBI visited him and nothing.
So much for See Something Say Something motto.
article
Copy and paste this if the link doesnt work.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/amp/news/national/fbi-warned-cruz-professional-school-shooter-plans-months-article-1.3822163#ampshare=http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/fbi-warned-cruz-professional-school-shooter-plans-months-article-1.3822163
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Re: Active shooter at high school in Florida
Posted by MrsT809
I can't believe our best strategy is "see something, say something" and training children on how to effectively hide. I don't know whether to cry or throw up
I feel the same way. I had a conversation with my 6 year old this morning about the whole thing. I know he's little to be hearing a viable threat but you just can't take this lightly anymore.
What I'm really wondering right now is what we can do about this. As individuals. Any ideas? Write to our representatives? Who do we write to? I've had enough and I want to do something but I really just don't know how I can do anything so if anyone has suggestions, I'm all ears. I did join a group called Moms Demand Action so maybe that's a starting point.
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Re: Active shooter at high school in Florida
Posted by FirstMate
Posted by MrsT809
I can't believe our best strategy is "see something, say something" and training children on how to effectively hide. I don't know whether to cry or throw up
I feel the same way. I had a conversation with my 6 year old this morning about the whole thing. I know he's little to be hearing a viable threat but you just can't take this lightly anymore.
What I'm really wondering right now is what we can do about this. As individuals. Any ideas? Write to our representatives? Who do we write to? I've had enough and I want to do something but I really just don't know how I can do anything so if anyone has suggestions, I'm all ears. I did join a group called Moms Demand Action so maybe that's a starting point.
Good luck with that. I feel like its a lost cause.
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Re: Active shooter at high school in Florida
ALLEGED SHOOTER NIKOLAS CRUZ THREATENED MASS CAMPUS SHOOTING 9 MONTHS AGO
Article
I don't understand how nothing was done to prevent this. 
I'm with everyone else about any Joe Shmo owning an AR15. There is NO need. Absolutely none.
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MrsT809
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Re: Active shooter at high school in Florida
Posted by FirstMate
Posted by MrsT809
I can't believe our best strategy is "see something, say something" and training children on how to effectively hide. I don't know whether to cry or throw up
I feel the same way. I had a conversation with my 6 year old this morning about the whole thing. I know he's little to be hearing a viable threat but you just can't take this lightly anymore.
What I'm really wondering right now is what we can do about this. As individuals. Any ideas? Write to our representatives? Who do we write to? I've had enough and I want to do something but I really just don't know how I can do anything so if anyone has suggestions, I'm all ears. I did join a group called Moms Demand Action so maybe that's a starting point.
For one we need to vote out members of Congress who are taking money from the NRA because they're not willing to making a single change other than to make guns more accessible. We also need to get big money out of politics. Big lobbyists and corporations should not be the ones calling the shots and yet they are.
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ANewDayHasCome
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Re: Active shooter at high school in Florida
Florida gun laws.....how f’ed up
The right to bear arms is found in the first article of Florida's constitution: "The right of the people to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves and of the lawful authority of the state shall not be infringed..."
You don't need a permit or license to buy a gun, nor do you have to register a firearm.
You don't need a permit to conceal carry a rifle or shotgun, although you do need it to conceal carry a handgun.
The state Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services must issue a concealed weapons license to an applicant as long as the person meets a certain set of requirements, including being a US citizen, being the age of 21 or older, not having a felony conviction and demonstrates competence with a firearm.
You can buy as many guns as you want at one time, because Florida doesn't regulate that either.
Gun sellers don't have to get a state license to sell firearms.
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JennP
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Re: Active shooter at high school in Florida
The bottom line is that we need campaign finance reform.
As long as people like Rubio are collecting millions from the NRA our government will be beholden to them.
When the tax reform bill was on the table Congressman Chris Collins from NY actually SAID OUT LOUD that his donors needed him to get it done.
Both parties are at fault but Republicans are much worse and specifically when it comes to the NRA their record is dismal.
Vote blue. Really. We have two awful red congressmen on LI that we need to get rid of. It's time folks.
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Re: Active shooter at high school in Florida
Posted by GoldenRod
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shootings_in_the_United_States
We've had school shootings since 1764. Every decade the shootings increase, and nothing ever gets done. Except for "thoughts and prayers" from the people who actually have the power to make at least attempts at slowing down or decreasing the number of shootings.
As long as the NRA continues to buy politicians, there will never be a chance to stop this....
18th century
During the 18th century there was 1 incident of a shooting during the year 1764
19th century
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During the 19th century there were 28 shootings:
20th century
total
There were 226 shootings during the 20th century:
21st century
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From the commencement of the 21st century to the most recently occurring shooting (of February 14, 2018), the number of shootings is 212:
212, and we're less than 20 years into this century!
This is insane! At this rate it will be in the thousands or close to it by the time this century is up! Children in third world countries are safer!
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Re: Active shooter at high school in Florida
Posted by lululu
What is most horrific to me is that he told people he wanted to be a school shooter. The second that you say that you should be institutionalized. This was COMPLETELY avoidable.
I know!
All of these stories - he posted on social media, etc... Kids thought he'd do something like this. Why didn't anyone say anything/report him?
And why did the family he lived with find it ok for him to have an assault weapon in their home?
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MC09
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Re: Active shooter at high school in Florida
Posted by ali120206
Posted by lululu
What is most horrific to me is that he told people he wanted to be a school shooter. The second that you say that you should be institutionalized. This was COMPLETELY avoidable.
I know!
All of these stories - he posted on social media, etc... Kids thought he'd do something like this. Why didn't anyone say anything/report him?
And why did the family he lived with find it ok for him to have an assault weapon in their home?
He WAS reported to the FBI. Just like every other mofo before him he slipped through the cracks!
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Re: Active shooter at high school in Florida
Posted by LastLightGlow
I have been lightly researching some of the demographics of the most recent most public school tragedies, perhaps in some type of foolish way to assure myself that his can’t happen in my district, and it seems like a lot of these events happen in highly ranked districts with predominantly middle/upper middle class residents. This Florida district seems highly ranked with the average income in the area in the 200s range. So anywhere is really at risk, even “good districts” and areas.
So you're saying paying an enormous amount of taxes, the highest in the country, to ensure your kids are given a top notch education segragated from the "undesirables" isn't enough to keep them from becoming targets in a school shooting? Interesting.
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Re: Active shooter at high school in Florida
Someone I know just posted this meme to facebook. I want to rip their head off.
PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATE HAVE HAD GUNS IN THEIR HOMES FOR OVER 200 YEARS. AND MASS SHOOTINGS HAVE ONLY BECOME A PROBLEM IN THE LAST 30 YEARS. IF YOU LOOK, THERE IS A HUGE CORRELATION BETWEEN THE RISE OF GUN SHOOTINGS AND THE DECLINE OF DISCIPLINE YOUR CHILDREN.
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Re: Active shooter at high school in Florida
Posted by b2b777
Someone I know just posted this meme to facebook. I want to rip their head off.
PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATE HAVE HAD GUNS IN THEIR HOMES FOR OVER 200 YEARS. AND MASS SHOOTINGS HAVE ONLY BECOME A PROBLEM IN THE LAST 30 YEARS. IF YOU LOOK, THERE IS A HUGE CORRELATION BETWEEN THE RISE OF GUN SHOOTINGS AND THE DECLINE OF DISCIPLINE YOUR CHILDREN.
Wow how insightful 
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