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HoneyBadger
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Re: Another political topic - would you want socialized (or universal) healthcare in the US?
I am not for socalized healthcare.
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Another political topic - would you want socialized (or universal) healthcare in the US?
Posted by Janice
The problem I feel is when employees pay an arm and a leg for horrible insurance.
I pay a lot for our insurance, yet there is always a loophole, forcing me to pay out of pocket anyway.
My sister married a Canadian. His family raves about their healthcare.
the money has to come from somewhere. I found a Q&A website on Canada's healthcare system - here are 2 of them...
Q: What are the current concerns among healthcare workers in the country?
A: The Canadian Healthcare Association, and other concerned bodies, such as the Canadian Nurses Association, have put forward a Common Vision for the Canadian Health System document. It argues that four key areas need improvement in the country's healthcare system: patient waiting times; overall healthcare funding; shortages in personnel and improvement of medical technology; and the expansion of the healthcare system to include home, pharmaceutical, and long-term care.
Moreover, Canadian nurses have expressed particular dissatisfactions with the healthcare system in recent years. In 2002, the Canadian Nursing Advisory Committee delivered a report which recommended increasing the number of nurses, improvements in education, and maximizing the scope of practice of nurses.
The lure of more lucrative salaries has also led to a "brain drain" of professionals to the United States in recent years. Although overall emigration has been relatively small, healthcare professionals constitute a significant proportion of the public sector workers who have chosen to leave Canada for employment in the United States.
Q: What are the current concerns among patients?
A: Waiting times to see specialists and for diagnostic tests have become a point of issue for Canadians. According to a study by the Fraser Institute, a conservative think tank, such waiting times have increased from 13.1 weeks in 1999, to 17.7 weeks in 2003, to 17.9 in 2004. Long waits to undergo elective surgery have also become an issue in recent years, as have crowded emergency rooms in the country's largest cities.
One response to these concerns on the part of patients has been to seek treatment in the United States or overseas. While "medical tourism" is derided by some in Canada as queue-jumping, others see it as a legitimate means of dealing with the healthcare system's shortcomings. The province of Alberta currently reimburses patients who have sought medically necessary physician, oral surgery, and hospital services not immediately available in Canada.
The frequency of adverse events, or errors in treatment that might harm the patient or the outcome of their treatment while hospitalized, has also raised concerns in regards to the country's healthcare system, both among healthcare workers and patients.
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| Posted 8/30/08 9:14 PM |
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Janice
Sweet Jessie Quinn
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Re: Another political topic - would you want socialized (or universal) healthcare in the US?
I am really surprised to see so many against universal healthcare.
I guess everyone has great insurance, because I know many people who would rather wait for care then recieve no care at all.
I think the number is 50 million(don't quote me ) without insurance in the US.
Why should healthcare not be a right for tax paying citizens?
They are working. They are paying.
I can only imagine the feeling of finding out you have a sick child and no where to turn. In America, it just should not happen.
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| Posted 8/30/08 9:17 PM |
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Another political topic - would you want socialized (or universal) healthcare in the US?
Posted by Janice
I am really surprised to see so many against universal healthcare.
I guess everyone has great insurance, because I know many people who would rather wait for care then recieve no care at all.
I think the number is 50 million(don't quote me ) without insurance in the US.
Why should healthcare not be a right for tax paying citizens?
They are working. They are paying.
I can only imagine the feeling of finding out you have a sick child and no where to turn. In America, it just should not happen.
who are these people who get no care at all? according to so many people, all you have to do is go to the ER and say you have no insurance, and you get it for "free" - like the illegal immigrants do.
sorry I am being cynical, but that whole issue is infuriating to me.
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| Posted 8/30/08 9:20 PM |
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donegal419
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Re: Another political topic - would you want socialized (or universal) healthcare in the US?
Posted by Janice
I am really surprised to see so many against universal healthcare.
I guess everyone has great insurance, because I know many people who would rather wait for care then recieve no care at all.
I think the number is 50 million(don't quote me ) without insurance in the US.
Why should healthcare not be a right for tax paying citizens?
They are working. They are paying.
I can only imagine the feeling of finding out you have a sick child and no where to turn. In America, it just should not happen.
Although i am not for socialized medicine, i do absolutely agree with your points. I made some points in my earlier posts how we could give those MILLIONS  of people without insurance coverage. there are ways to do it without socializing it. unfortunately, i've been on the other end of it... i've had family members die and/or not get the help they needed soon enough because of socialized medicine. it's not all it's cracked up to be.
Message edited 8/30/2008 9:21:05 PM.
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| Posted 8/30/08 9:20 PM |
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mathteach
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Re: Another political topic - would you want socialized (or universal) healthcare in the US?
I have a question for those who can answer - how is it even possible to enroll an illegal immigrant in school here? Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon
Easy...a combination of NCLB and not punishing the children for the sins of their parents. It really sucks that my building holds 1800, we have enrollment of 3700, many of whom are illegals.
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| Posted 8/30/08 9:21 PM |
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Janice
Sweet Jessie Quinn
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Re: Another political topic - would you want socialized (or universal) healthcare in the US?
sorry, I am a mm fan. Canadian waiting room
People without insurance:
small business owners
people with pre-exisitng conditions
tons of restaurant employees
(those are the ones I know personally)
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| Posted 8/30/08 9:22 PM |
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dm24angel
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Re: Another political topic - would you want socialized (or universal) healthcare in the US?
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by Janice
I am really surprised to see so many against universal healthcare.
I guess everyone has great insurance, because I know many people who would rather wait for care then recieve no care at all.
I think the number is 50 million(don't quote me ) without insurance in the US.
Why should healthcare not be a right for tax paying citizens?
They are working. They are paying.
I can only imagine the feeling of finding out you have a sick child and no where to turn. In America, it just should not happen.
who are these people who get no care at all? according to so many people, all you have to do is go to the ER and say you have no insurance, and you get it for "free" - like the illegal immigrants do.
sorry I am being cynical, but that whole issue is infuriating to me.
What ER is this?
I had no insurance when I was like 21 and had a small health threat. two ER visits and I paid A LOT for them.
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| Posted 8/30/08 9:22 PM |
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mcl916
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Re: Another political topic - would you want socialized (or universal) healthcare in the US?
I agree that everyone should have health insurance, but socialized medicine is not the answer. We need insurance reform and we need a system to allow everyone the opportunity to obtain insurance. The insurance companies are the biggest offenders right now, they are driving doctors out of practice left and right. But I would not want socialized medicine, I could not imagine being placed on waiting lists for tests, surgery, etc... And the government doesn't exactly do a great job with the programs they DO run, I could only imagine what they would do with health insurance 
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| Posted 8/30/08 9:23 PM |
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dm24angel
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Re: Another political topic - would you want socialized (or universal) healthcare in the US?
My friends just bought two businesses. They had to sell one and her DH had to go back to his awful 9-5 job low paying job b/c the insurance for their family of 5 was just too much for them to pay for. Its so sad 
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| Posted 8/30/08 9:25 PM |
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Janice
Sweet Jessie Quinn
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Janice
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Re: Another political topic - would you want socialized (or universal) healthcare in the US?
Posted by dm24angel
What ER is this?
I had no insurance when I was like 21 and had a small health threat. two ER visits and I paid A LOT for them.
agreed. my brother is a waiter...pays taxes, just insurance isn't being offered to him.
slipped on ice outside my house....still paying the ER bill out of pocket.
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| Posted 8/30/08 9:25 PM |
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mcl916
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Re: Another political topic - would you want socialized (or universal) healthcare in the US?
Posted by Janice
Posted by dm24angel
What ER is this?
I had no insurance when I was like 21 and had a small health threat. two ER visits and I paid A LOT for them.
agreed. my brother is a waiter...pays taxes, just insurance isn't being offered to him.
slipped on ice outside my house....still paying the ER bill out of pocket.
Yes, if you give the ER your real name, ss#, and address you will get billed. Unfortunately, there are MANY people who give false names/addresses/licenses when they come through the ER and then "disappear". The hospital can never recoup the money because the person doesn't exsist. It's a HUGE problem.
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| Posted 8/30/08 9:27 PM |
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Another political topic - would you want socialized (or universal) healthcare in the US?
Posted by Janice
Posted by dm24angel
What ER is this?
I had no insurance when I was like 21 and had a small health threat. two ER visits and I paid A LOT for them.
agreed. my brother is a waiter...pays taxes, just insurance isn't being offered to him.
slipped on ice outside my house....still paying the ER bill out of pocket.
so then how are all these illegals getting "free" care at our hospitals? I don't personally know any. but it seems like people are always talking about it.
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| Posted 8/30/08 9:27 PM |
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Another political topic - would you want socialized (or universal) healthcare in the US?
Posted by mcl916
Posted by Janice
Posted by dm24angel
What ER is this?
I had no insurance when I was like 21 and had a small health threat. two ER visits and I paid A LOT for them.
agreed. my brother is a waiter...pays taxes, just insurance isn't being offered to him.
slipped on ice outside my house....still paying the ER bill out of pocket.
Yes, if you give the ER your real name, ss#, and address you will get billed. Unfortunately, there are MANY people who give false names/addresses/licenses when they come through the ER and then "disappear". The hospital can never recoup the money because the person doesn't exsist. It's a HUGE problem.
nice
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| Posted 8/30/08 9:28 PM |
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Beth
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Re: Another political topic - would you want socialized (or universal) healthcare in the US?
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by Janice
Posted by dm24angel
What ER is this?
I had no insurance when I was like 21 and had a small health threat. two ER visits and I paid A LOT for them.
agreed. my brother is a waiter...pays taxes, just insurance isn't being offered to him.
slipped on ice outside my house....still paying the ER bill out of pocket.
so then how are all these illegals getting "free" care at our hospitals? I don't personally know any. but it seems like people are always talking about it.
no SS #, no ID, no way to find them
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| Posted 8/30/08 9:30 PM |
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Janice
Sweet Jessie Quinn
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Janice
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Re: Another political topic - would you want socialized (or universal) healthcare in the US?
I am not sure....
I know tons of immigrants on Medicaid, but I think they are legal.
I know a few illegal mexicans, they have tax id numbers and pay that way....but I have never known one to go to the dr.
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| Posted 8/30/08 9:30 PM |
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HoneyBadger
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Re: Another political topic - would you want socialized (or universal) healthcare in the US?
Posted by mcl916
Posted by Janice
Posted by dm24angel
What ER is this?
I had no insurance when I was like 21 and had a small health threat. two ER visits and I paid A LOT for them.
agreed. my brother is a waiter...pays taxes, just insurance isn't being offered to him.
slipped on ice outside my house....still paying the ER bill out of pocket.
Yes, if you give the ER your real name, ss#, and address you will get billed. Unfortunately, there are MANY people who give false names/addresses/licenses when they come through the ER and then "disappear". The hospital can never recoup the money because the person doesn't exsist. It's a HUGE problem.
I was just about to say this. You only pay if you give the hospital your correct information.
Alot of illegal immigrants don't have valid ID nor a legit SS # so when they go to the hospital (who as far as I know cannot turn you away) they give fake info, get the help they need and then hit the high road.
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| Posted 8/30/08 9:32 PM |
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Janice
Sweet Jessie Quinn
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Re: Another political topic - would you want socialized (or universal) healthcare in the US?
I know this is a crazy statement...
but we pay taxes, pay for our insurance....
yet, my next c-section will cost me 4K out of pocket.
my dead beat sil is on kid #3, housing vouchers, food stamps, wic, paid childcare....she's never paid a dime to have her kids.
something isn't fair and isn't right.
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| Posted 8/30/08 9:32 PM |
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mcl916
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Re: Another political topic - would you want socialized (or universal) healthcare in the US?
Posted by Janice
I am not sure....
I know tons of immigrants on Medicaid, but I think they are legal.
I know a few illegal mexicans, they have tax id numbers and pay that way....but I have never known one to go to the dr.
Yes, there is a way for illegals to get Medicaid (don't ask me how, another thing I don't understand). If they are admitted to the hospital then they usually are given the instructions about how to apply for it. But with ER visits (which is what the majority of illegals will use since they can't afford to go to the doctor) they can get in and out before anyone realizes they aren't going to pay.
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| Posted 8/30/08 9:33 PM |
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Another political topic - would you want socialized (or universal) healthcare in the US?
Posted by Janice
I know this is a crazy statement...
but we pay taxes, pay for our insurance....
yet, my next c-section will cost me 4K out of pocket.
my dead beat sil is on kid #3, housing vouchers, food stamps, wic, paid childcare....she's never paid a dime to have her kids.
something isn't fair and isn't right.
you're right about that. people who work the system are revolting!
But I believe this was already covered on that drama thread from last week
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| Posted 8/30/08 9:34 PM |
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mcl916
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Re: Another political topic - would you want socialized (or universal) healthcare in the US?
Posted by Janice
I know this is a crazy statement...
but we pay taxes, pay for our insurance....
yet, my next c-section will cost me 4K out of pocket.
my dead beat sil is on kid #3, housing vouchers, food stamps, wic, paid childcare....she's never paid a dime to have her kids.
something isn't fair and isn't right.
Exactly, it makes you wonder why you do the right thing
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| Posted 8/30/08 9:34 PM |
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Janice
Sweet Jessie Quinn
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Re: Another political topic - would you want socialized (or universal) healthcare in the US?
interesting....
so I wonder how illegals give birth in hospitals?
do clinics see them?
you would think with a hospital stay, they would run a ssn....
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| Posted 8/30/08 9:34 PM |
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DaniJude
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Re: Another political topic - would you want socialized (or universal) healthcare in the US?
Posted by Janice
I think the number is 50 million(don't quote me ) without insurance in the US.
I am not quoting the number! 
But, I'm wondering, does that rough estimate include illegal immigrants? Or, is that number american citizens w/o health insurance?
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| Posted 8/30/08 9:38 PM |
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tommy2
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Re: Another political topic - would you want socialized (or universal) healthcare in the US?
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A few numbers: William Gheen, president of Americans for Legal Immigration, states that this is "the end of America as we know it. At least 10 million illegal immigrants are in the U.S. now, and that'll double in five years." (Dallas Morning News, Rancher in border case backs Minuteman, 04/03/2005) FOXNews.com reports that "public health care in Los Angeles is on life support, where sixty percent of the county's uninsured patients are not U.S. citizens. More than half are here illegally. About 2 million undocumented aliens in Los Angeles County alone are crowding emergency rooms because they can't afford to see a doctor." (L.A. Emergency Rooms Full of Illegal Immigrants, 03/17/2005). The National Research Council estimates that the net fiscal cost of immigration ranges from $11 billion to $22 billion per year, with state and local governments bearing most of the costs. California's tab is estimated at $3 billion alone. Richard D. Lamm, former governor of Colorado, writes in the Denver Post that "illegal immigration today isn't cheap labor, except to the employer. The average family of illegal immigrants has two to four school-age kids. It costs U.S. taxpayers more than $7,000 a child just to educate them in our public schools." (There's nothing cheap about immigrant labor, 04/03/05) In the end, the American taxpayer pays many times the amount the cheap hourly wage was worth to a vagabond American company.
This IMO is the biggest problem facing our nation today.
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| Posted 8/30/08 9:40 PM |
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Kidsaplenty
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Re: Another political topic - would you want socialized (or universal) healthcare in the US?
Pregnant illegal immigrants can get medicaid. Their babies are covered too. Straight from the NY Medicaid site:
*NOTE: Medicaid coverage is available, regardless of alien status, if you are pregnant or require treatment for an emergency medical condition. A doctor must certify that you are pregnant or had an emergency, and you must meet all other eligibility requirements.
NY Medicaid
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