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Posted by Cakes

Let's see......I have 3 kids and all 3 are different even with sleeping habits.

Dd # 1 slept through the night since 12 weeks and never really changed her pattern, not even with teething. She was a dream baby.

My other 2 are very much different from my first and each other. I agree with Kate. Every kid is different, there is no need to rush anything. Things will come with time and consistency.

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I really thought all babies were like mine, until I came on here and realized how early on some sttn.

mine was 20 months old.

up until that point, he would wake at 2 am to yell at me.

I do have to say, I am surprised by the number of people who CIO. I don't know too many people IRL who use that method.

One of my life's pet peeves are people who told me what books to get, do the routine...5 s's.

what the hell did they think was going on in my home from 5:30 on!

I read, I shh'ed...I 4 b'ed it.

he just could not be put down, ever. no swing, stroller, bouncer.

let him cry for 2 minutes at 2AM at 12 mos old and the nut broke my crib!

I'll say as a sahm who did not ever have any "me" time I really could have used it. to not have a baby go to sleep unless on you and stay asleep unless on you is sort of crippling.

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Posted by Palebride



(But what do I know? Lily STTN from pretty much the beginning! )

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I think b/c by 5 months old a baby is more then capable of sleeing through the night and does not need a night feeding( per every sleep book or Ped I have read/spoken too) although thats not always easily achieved I dont blame a mom for trying, we all want our sleep.

We got lucky, Noah slept for 5-8 hours a night starting at 6 weeeks and most babies I know, nieces etc are all sleeping TTN at 8-10 weeks...

So it is common and people want it for them too...yet the child doesnt always agree and I cannot imagine the frustration.

All I know is if it were me, I would be trying it all too.

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I didnt read all the replies, but I agree with the OP.

My daughter slept 10 HOURS her 1st night home from the hospital

She never NOT slept thru the night.

When my son was born, he woke up at least twice, around 1 and around 4:30. I remember crying and asking the dr. what was wrong with him. The dr. looked at me like I was crazy and said it was normal and that I was spoiled with my daughter.

YES, some babies can STTN at a very young age. But it is most certainly not the norm and shouldnt be pushed on a child when they are not ready. I definitely agree with CIO, but when you see its not working, and that other interventions are not working, then most likely your baby is not ready!

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thank God I had Josh first! spoiled by #1, we are not.

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Posted by Mikismom

Posted by Palebride



(But what do I know? Lily STTN from pretty much the beginning! )

Miki too (at 5 weeks)

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I have gotten the impression that newborns are expected to do things that toddlers do recently.

I know I am not popping out a kid that is going to sleep all night long in the beginning.

I know that the reality is I may have to go back to rocking my child for every single nap, and bedtime until he turns 6 months old.

Do I like it? No. Will I come on here and complain about it? I'm sure! But, it's what I will do. Most books say not to let them CIO until 6 months. That is what my ped said, and that is what I was comfortable doing with Jack.

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Posted by MrsRbk

Posted by aliwnec10

Oh i also want to add and i'm sure many people will disagree with me... but i'm going to say it anyway.

These babies know what they're doing (i'm not talking about newborns). Yes some might wake out of hunger for many many months. But there are many times when they might just be working you. They learn early on how to manipulate and get what they want. Jacen knew/knows how to milk it like no other!!!!

So sometimes it's not about when they're ready. Many are ready earlier than you think they are. But they learn quick on how to get what they want. That is JMHO and i'm sticking with it!

I have to agree 100% with this. I've noticed this lately with my DD. She just started rolling onto her belly at night and will wake up crying because she wants to be on her back. The first couple of times she did this, I went in and put her back on her back (she knows how to roll back, but is stubborn and doesn't want to do it), and she would fall right back to sleep after flashing me a huge smile and kicking up her legs at me like she does when she's happy to see DH or I. Since it was the weekend, I had no problem getting up and doing that. But Sunday night, she did it at 10pm (once we put her down we NEVER hear a peep out of her until morning), I let her CIO - which before I get flamed for letting my 5 month old CIT, she cried or rather whined for a total of 2 1/2 minutes, before realizing I wasn't coming back in, she put her fingers in her mouth and went back to sleep. Over the weekend and on Monday night she woke up 4+ times, last night she only cried twice once at 3:30 and once at 4:30, again, she put herself back to sleep.

I've also noticed her doing this during the day when she's awake as well - the maniuplating me. I'm onto her!

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Posted by Porrruss

Posted by Palebride

Posted by MrsRbk

Posted by Porrruss

I truly don't believe any baby is ready to consistently STTN until after 6 months. At 6 months most babies go through a growth spurt. Growth spurt = more feedings= less sleep. Just because a baby does it for a few weeks doesn't necessarily mean they are physically able to do it all the time.

I have to disagree with this. My DD started STTN through the night at the later end of 8 weeks, she is almost 6 months and her STTN has been consistent. She never went through sleep regression at 4 months, even when she's had a cold she has slept through the night.

I'm going to disagree with you also!
I DO believe there are a few babies who can do it...because Lily totally started at 6 weeks old, and maybe 10 times since that has she woken up at night....in 2 years.

But I'm also a fabulous sleeper, and I think she inherited that from me!

I should have written *MOST* babies. Thanks to the 2 of you and your Sleeping Beauties, we now have an incredibly high bar set at LIF for age to STTN me thinks....

BTW- my DH and I could sleep the whole day if we could (and we did before the chil'rens). For some reason, we breed early risers, and "eh" sleepers.

I want to reiterate though- once Mads was *ready* to STTN and we did CIO, she's been a really good sleeper. Eliza is *getting* there, and we'll be doing full-on CIO just before I go back to work.

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Posted by smdl

Posted by MrsRbk

Posted by aliwnec10

Oh i also want to add and i'm sure many people will disagree with me... but i'm going to say it anyway.

These babies know what they're doing (i'm not talking about newborns). Yes some might wake out of hunger for many many months. But there are many times when they might just be working you. They learn early on how to manipulate and get what they want. Jacen knew/knows how to milk it like no other!!!!

So sometimes it's not about when they're ready. Many are ready earlier than you think they are. But they learn quick on how to get what they want. That is JMHO and i'm sticking with it!

I have to agree 100% with this. I've noticed this lately with my DD. She just started rolling onto her belly at night and will wake up crying because she wants to be on her back. The first couple of times she did this, I went in and put her back on her back (she knows how to roll back, but is stubborn and doesn't want to do it), and she would fall right back to sleep after flashing me a huge smile and kicking up her legs at me like she does when she's happy to see DH or I. Since it was the weekend, I had no problem getting up and doing that. But Sunday night, she did it at 10pm (once we put her down we NEVER hear a peep out of her until morning), I let her CIO - which before I get flamed for letting my 5 month old CIT, she cried or rather whined for a total of 2 1/2 minutes, before realizing I wasn't coming back in, she put her fingers in her mouth and went back to sleep. Over the weekend and on Monday night she woke up 4+ times, last night she only cried twice once at 3:30 and once at 4:30, again, she put herself back to sleep.

I've also noticed her doing this during the day when she's awake as well - the maniuplating me. I'm onto her!

What is wrong with a child of 6 months of age to want attention from his parents? It's a time for reassurance, tolerance, bonding. Yes, it's exhausting but I always had patience with DS. He is LEARNING. I don't feel that at 6 months we need to be harsh in our lesson on how to do things. IMO.

We took our time with DS. We followed his timing. He slept through the night at 6.5 months. It was longer than other kids and younger than other kids. That was HIS timing! I don't have a stressed kid going to bed. He looks forward to his bed at night. He never felt asleep on his own crying himself to sleep. I feel sleep should be restfull of stress. And I worked a FT physical job at the time. So I know about sleep deprivation.

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People have different meanings to what STTN actually means.

IMO...a 5 hour stretch at night is not STTN. If you put your child down at 8 and they wake at 3...not STTN.

But that is just MY opinion.

STTN means the child was down from when you put them into the crib until morning.

DD started to do this on her own at 6 months. SHOCKING to DH and I because she was EBF'd and that's pretty unheard of at that age.

We did not do CIO until she was about a year and that was only because we would have to rock her for a good amount of time before putting her in the crib.

I NEVER expected my baby to STTN until god knows. I never planned on CIO and was actually against it at 1st. (I was out of the house the 1st time DH did it).

I just think that you should listen to your own baby and when it's GREAT to get advice from other mommies on here (god knows I've gotten a lot!), just take it and ADAPT it to your child.

Just because "so and so's" baby STTN at 10 weeks, doesn't mean yours will.

They are ALL different.

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Posted by MrsRbk

Posted by smdl

Posted by MrsRbk

Posted by aliwnec10

Oh i also want to add and i'm sure many people will disagree with me... but i'm going to say it anyway.

These babies know what they're doing (i'm not talking about newborns). Yes some might wake out of hunger for many many months. But there are many times when they might just be working you. They learn early on how to manipulate and get what they want. Jacen knew/knows how to milk it like no other!!!!

So sometimes it's not about when they're ready. Many are ready earlier than you think they are. But they learn quick on how to get what they want. That is JMHO and i'm sticking with it!

I have to agree 100% with this. I've noticed this lately with my DD. She just started rolling onto her belly at night and will wake up crying because she wants to be on her back. The first couple of times she did this, I went in and put her back on her back (she knows how to roll back, but is stubborn and doesn't want to do it), and she would fall right back to sleep after flashing me a huge smile and kicking up her legs at me like she does when she's happy to see DH or I. Since it was the weekend, I had no problem getting up and doing that. But Sunday night, she did it at 10pm (once we put her down we NEVER hear a peep out of her until morning), I let her CIO - which before I get flamed for letting my 5 month old CIT, she cried or rather whined for a total of 2 1/2 minutes, before realizing I wasn't coming back in, she put her fingers in her mouth and went back to sleep. Over the weekend and on Monday night she woke up 4+ times, last night she only cried twice once at 3:30 and once at 4:30, again, she put herself back to sleep.

I've also noticed her doing this during the day when she's awake as well - the maniuplating me. I'm onto her!

What is wrong with a child of 6 months of age to want attention from his parents? It's a time for reassurance, tolerance, bonding. Yes, it's exhausting but I always had patience with DS. He is LEARNING. I don't feel that at 6 months we need to be harsh in our lesson on how to do things. IMO.

We took our time with DS. We followed his timing. He slept through the night at 6.5 months. It was longer than other kids and younger than other kids. That was HIS timing! I don't have a stressed kid going to bed. He looks forward to his bed at night. He never felt asleep on his own crying himself to sleep. I feel sleep should be restfull of stress. And I worked a FT physical job at the time. So I know about sleep deprivation.

Wow... holy judgemental

Can you show me where in my post I said there was anything wrong with it? All I said was that I see that my daughter is now just learning how to maniuplate to get what she wants. I have TONS of paitence with my DD, she is the happiest 5 1/2 month old I've ever seen. The only time she really cries is when she's tired. AND she has never cried herself to sleep. Again, I don't see where I said that I let her cry herself to sleep. Please point that out to me. My daughter will TALK herself to sleep, or rather talk to her mobile. I'm lucky that I can put her down awake and she will put herself to sleep. When she cries at night, she is typically still asleep when she cries and it generally lasts no more than a couple of minutes. By the time it would take me to get from my bed to her bedroom door, she'll be quiet and sleeping again.

My DD loves her bedtime routine, it's a FUN time in our house, there is no stress around bedtime.

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Posted by smdl

Wow... holy judgemental

Can you show me where in my post I said there was anything wrong with it? All I said was that I see that my daughter is now just learning how to maniuplate to get what she wants. I have TONS of paitence with my DD, she is the happiest 5 1/2 month old I've ever seen. The only time she really cries is when she's tired. AND she has never cried herself to sleep. Again, I don't see where I said that I let her cry herself to sleep. Please point that out to me. My daughter will TALK herself to sleep, or rather talk to her mobile. I'm lucky that I can put her down awake and she will put herself to sleep. When she cries at night, she is typically still asleep when she cries and it generally lasts no more than a couple of minutes. By the time it would take me to get from my bed to her bedroom door, she'll be quiet and sleeping again.

My DD loves her bedtime routine, it's a FUN time in our house, there is no stress around bedtime.

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Posted by aliwnec10

Posted by smdl

Wow... holy judgemental

Can you show me where in my post I said there was anything wrong with it? All I said was that I see that my daughter is now just learning how to maniuplate to get what she wants. I have TONS of paitence with my DD, she is the happiest 5 1/2 month old I've ever seen. The only time she really cries is when she's tired. AND she has never cried herself to sleep. Again, I don't see where I said that I let her cry herself to sleep. Please point that out to me. My daughter will TALK herself to sleep, or rather talk to her mobile. I'm lucky that I can put her down awake and she will put herself to sleep. When she cries at night, she is typically still asleep when she cries and it generally lasts no more than a couple of minutes. By the time it would take me to get from my bed to her bedroom door, she'll be quiet and sleeping again.

My DD loves her bedtime routine, it's a FUN time in our house, there is no stress around bedtime.

You are not the only one I quoted. I never said that did anything wrong to your daughter. I commented on the fact that both of you talked about "manipulation".

Then I added some comments. That does not mean it was pertaining to you other than quoting on the manipulation.

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Posted by smdl

Posted by aliwnec10

Posted by smdl

Wow... holy judgemental

Can you show me where in my post I said there was anything wrong with it? All I said was that I see that my daughter is now just learning how to maniuplate to get what she wants. I have TONS of paitence with my DD, she is the happiest 5 1/2 month old I've ever seen. The only time she really cries is when she's tired. AND she has never cried herself to sleep. Again, I don't see where I said that I let her cry herself to sleep. Please point that out to me. My daughter will TALK herself to sleep, or rather talk to her mobile. I'm lucky that I can put her down awake and she will put herself to sleep. When she cries at night, she is typically still asleep when she cries and it generally lasts no more than a couple of minutes. By the time it would take me to get from my bed to her bedroom door, she'll be quiet and sleeping again.

My DD loves her bedtime routine, it's a FUN time in our house, there is no stress around bedtime.

You are not the only one I quoted. I never said that did anything wrong to your daughter. I commented on the fact that both of you talked about "manipulation".

Then I added some comments. That does not mean it was pertaining to you other than quoting on the manipulation.

Ok calling me out. Fine i'll play.

Look... i wasn't saying anything about 6 months. In fact i did not give an age in which children do this or should be STTN. Every child is different. Every baby is different. Every parent is different. Every situation is different. You my friend are judging and that's a bit unfair.

You do not know my situation and if you do... you have some nerve let me tell you. My son didn't STTN until 11 months. 11 months of getting up 5 times a night and working FT. 11 months of him fighting naps, bedtimes and EVERYTHING ELSE in between. So please do not judge until you've lived in my house and lived through what i've been through. So please don't talk to me about tolerance and bonding.

And yes i do think babies are capable of manipulation. They most definitely are. Did i give an age on that? No i don't believe i did.

Not trying to start any sort of drama (really not), but since you called me out... you might want to get your facts straight first.

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I only read some of the replies and see drama is about to start!
But personally, DS has slept through the night since about 8 weeks. I know that we are very lucky! There have been a few occasions when he is sick, or teething, when he wakes during the night and it is pretty rough. I can't say that at 6+ months if DS was waking numerous times every night that I wouldn't try sleep training.
As long as the baby is not in danger I don't care what anybody else does.

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Posted by MrsRbk

Posted by smdl

Posted by aliwnec10

Posted by smdl

Wow... holy judgemental

Can you show me where in my post I said there was anything wrong with it? All I said was that I see that my daughter is now just learning how to maniuplate to get what she wants. I have TONS of paitence with my DD, she is the happiest 5 1/2 month old I've ever seen. The only time she really cries is when she's tired. AND she has never cried herself to sleep. Again, I don't see where I said that I let her cry herself to sleep. Please point that out to me. My daughter will TALK herself to sleep, or rather talk to her mobile. I'm lucky that I can put her down awake and she will put herself to sleep. When she cries at night, she is typically still asleep when she cries and it generally lasts no more than a couple of minutes. By the time it would take me to get from my bed to her bedroom door, she'll be quiet and sleeping again.

My DD loves her bedtime routine, it's a FUN time in our house, there is no stress around bedtime.

You are not the only one I quoted. I never said that did anything wrong to your daughter. I commented on the fact that both of you talked about "manipulation".

Then I added some comments. That does not mean it was pertaining to you other than quoting on the manipulation.

Ok calling me out. Fine i'll play.

Look... i wasn't saying anything about 6 months. In fact i did not give an age in which children do this or should be STTN. Every child is different. Every baby is different. Every parent is different. Every situation is different. You my friend are judging and that's a bit unfair.

You do not know my situation and if you do... you have some nerve let me tell you. My son didn't STTN until 11 months. 11 months of getting up 5 times a night and working FT. 11 months of him fighting naps, bedtimes and EVERYTHING ELSE in between. So please do not judge until you've lived in my house and lived through what i've been through. So please don't talk to me about tolerance and bonding.

And yes i do think babies are capable of manipulation. They most definitely are. Did i give an age on that? No i don't believe i did.

Not trying to start any sort of drama (really not), but since you called me out... you might want to get your facts straight first.

I was giving my opinion on manipulation. Someone agreed with you and I quoted you both.

It had NOTHING to do with both your kids. It was my opinion on manipulation. OMG.... this is nuts!

That's getting completely out of control. I want no part of drama.

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Posted by smdl

Posted by MrsRbk

Posted by smdl

Posted by aliwnec10

Posted by smdl

Wow... holy judgemental

Can you show me where in my post I said there was anything wrong with it? All I said was that I see that my daughter is now just learning how to maniuplate to get what she wants. I have TONS of paitence with my DD, she is the happiest 5 1/2 month old I've ever seen. The only time she really cries is when she's tired. AND she has never cried herself to sleep. Again, I don't see where I said that I let her cry herself to sleep. Please point that out to me. My daughter will TALK herself to sleep, or rather talk to her mobile. I'm lucky that I can put her down awake and she will put herself to sleep. When she cries at night, she is typically still asleep when she cries and it generally lasts no more than a couple of minutes. By the time it would take me to get from my bed to her bedroom door, she'll be quiet and sleeping again.

My DD loves her bedtime routine, it's a FUN time in our house, there is no stress around bedtime.

You are not the only one I quoted. I never said that did anything wrong to your daughter. I commented on the fact that both of you talked about "manipulation".

Then I added some comments. That does not mean it was pertaining to you other than quoting on the manipulation.

Ok calling me out. Fine i'll play.

Look... i wasn't saying anything about 6 months. In fact i did not give an age in which children do this or should be STTN. Every child is different. Every baby is different. Every parent is different. Every situation is different. You my friend are judging and that's a bit unfair.

You do not know my situation and if you do... you have some nerve let me tell you. My son didn't STTN until 11 months. 11 months of getting up 5 times a night and working FT. 11 months of him fighting naps, bedtimes and EVERYTHING ELSE in between. So please do not judge until you've lived in my house and lived through what i've been through. So please don't talk to me about tolerance and bonding.

And yes i do think babies are capable of manipulation. They most definitely are. Did i give an age on that? No i don't believe i did.

Not trying to start any sort of drama (really not), but since you called me out... you might want to get your facts straight first.

I was giving my opinion on manipulation. Someone agreed with you and I quoted you both.

It had NOTHING to do with both your kids. It was my opinion on manipulation. OMG.... this is nuts!

That's getting completely out of control. I want no part of drama.

Maniuplation and wanting attention are two different things though. Attention is not an issue when it comes to DD. When she wants something, she is learning to maniuplate to get what she wants, which doesn't always translate into attention.

And yes... I will teach my daughter at an early age that she can't always get what she wants when she wants it. For now, I play along because she is onlly 5 1/2 months.

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Posted by MrsRbk

Posted by dm24angel



All I know is if it were me, I would be trying it all too.

Same here!

And I live in fear that DD is spoiling us so bad that our next child will NEVER sleep! (j/k... I don't live in fear of that...) - well kinda!