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Re: Article: I Look Down On Young Women With Husbands And Kids And I’m Not Sorry
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While I agree, her writing style is obnoxious and abrasive.
I don't completely disagree with her message. The WAY she said it is awful, and it's coming off as the perspective of a bitter spinster ........but as a woman with a husband, and children - I CAN see some of her points.
Would anyone argue that doing laundry is an accomplishment on par with performing heart surgery?
I'd spin it differently though - I think a lot of the time, since getting married and having children while not "easy" as she put it, IS the socially acceptable and expected norm - Young women who have not hit those 'milestones' are looked down on by those who have with a sort of pity - And they also, feel about themselves that their lives aren't as important or they haven't accomplished as much -
I had this exact conversation with my best friend the other day - We're childhood friends, and planning to celebrate out 35th togather - I told her 35 bothered me this year. I don't know why, I just felt like, "GOD!! 35, there's so much more I wanted to accomplish at this point in my life" - her response? "are you kidding me? at least you're a REAL grown up" When I questioned it she said "You know, the husband, the house, the kids .........." - no where in there was any mention of my education or professional accomplishements, as if all that matters as a woman is your husband, your house and your kids -
This infuriates me. I wasn't mad at her - I was mad FOR her, and for myself. I was mad b/c she feel that at 35 she 'has no life' and is a failure and is embarassed if we bump into people from HS b/c she is single and childless - as if it's some diesease. As if her professional and educational and personal accomplishments don't matter at all - and mad for myself b/c since I AM married with children, the rest of my OWN prodessional or personal accomplishements for the rest of my life will have little to no significance b/c the only thing that really 'matters' is how well I raise my kids, and clean my house and keep my husband from cheating on me -
I do agree though, that promotions, and major life events SHOULD be celebrated for ALL women - NOT just those who aren't married, as if it's some kind of consolation prize - "Oh well, she didn't get married or have babies, so let's go out and celebrate her new VP promotion" .........
This mentality and judgement keeps us ALL on the defense, and at each other's throats constantly -
but it will never change - b/c women, are AWFUL to each other.
ITA.
I don't disagree with her on several of her points. She said something about not having the time, flexibility and energy to be exceptional if you have a DH and kids and you know what? I pretty much agree with that (as I sit home from work today because my DS was sick). I know there are exceptions, who I admire with envy, but most moms I know are not at the top of their game because they are too busy supporting everyone else to get to the top of their game. Myself included. Why isn't DH home today instead? He's up for a promotion; that's why.
As a professional with a doctorate, I find it very hard to move up the corporate ladder with all of my personal obligations. I know I can say "forget it all" and just do me but that's not fair to DH or my DS who I voluntarily brought into this world. And let's face it, her point about travelling, taking a really exciting , luxurious, adventurous vacation with small kids is really not feasible. I mean, you CAN do it but will it be the vacation you hoped it would be? Probably not. I would love the ability to just worry about me and pick up and go as I please but that's not my reality now. And I certainly didn't appreciate that reality when I had it either. I was too busy dreaming of meeting my Prince Charming and living happily ever after.
What would really make me happy ever after is if I had the nerve enough and the motivation to stop making excuses for my lack of being "exceptional" (in my mind) and just do it. There are plenty of women who get it all done and I totally admire that. Then I can write my own blog proving her wrong.
Yes yes yes yes i totally hear you on what you wrote above
And I've said it before - you will rarely find men battling over being a sahd vs working dad or who does more
I feel like when anyone is so dead set on proving their way is best - it's because deep down they are insecure with their own choices. It applies to everything.
I'm a ftwm. I intend to always be one. I don't give a hoot who does what. I only care about myself and what works for me.
I must admit one thing - the comments saying how she's bitter and that's why she's single. I don't find that fair. Not having a man does not define who you are or aren't. No one should have their worth defined by having a man. I hear that all the time - women saying haha so and so is single because she's bitter/cold/etc. I don't like it. jMO.
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Re: Article: I Look Down On Young Women With Husbands And Kids And I’m Not Sorry
Posted by nferrandi
She's just bitter because she hasn't been able to complete the very "easy" task of getting someone to marry her.
Ditto to the MAX
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Re: Article: I Look Down On Young Women With Husbands And Kids And I’m Not Sorry
"You will never have the time, energy, freedom or mobility to be exceptional if you have a husband and kids."
I think I am quite exceptional as a working mom of two who married at the age of 21, earned two Master's degree and is an assistant principal before the age of 30. You don't have to agree with everyone's life choices but don't knock them!
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Re: Article: I Look Down On Young Women With Husbands And Kids And I’m Not Sorry
I won't even read it
But I'm going to assume being a bitter ***** does not get you married or laid
So lighten up and maybe a guy will clean out the cobwebs for you
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Article: I Look Down On Young Women With Husbands And Kids And I’m Not Sorry
I couldn't disagree with her more. Also, since when is backpacking through Asia an accomplishment, lol !!?? Personally, I feel that there are very few jobs that are as meaningful as raising a healthy, well adjusted human being ,
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Re: Article: I Look Down On Young Women With Husbands And Kids And I’m Not Sorry
Posted by MrsDamonSalv7319
Posted by nferrandi
She's just bitter because she hasn't been able to complete the very "easy" task of getting someone to marry her.
This was my first thought!
Honestly, I feel sorry for her that she feels she has to "accomplish" so much in order to validate her life. I feel sad for her. Maybe she will feel awesome after backpacking through Asia alone, but she may never feel the sense of accomplishment from looking down at a content, sleeping baby suckling from her own nipple, or the pure love of a toddler throwing her arms around you and saying "I love you mom."
I also feel she has it wrong, as there is NOTHING more important than raising a child to be a contributing member of a future society. Cliche as it is, children ARE the future, and she can accomplish everything she ever dreamed, and more than likely her legacy will die with her...
As a SAHM, I'm not even offended by her ignorance...she has built up these lies she tells herself in order to feel better about her own, seemingly lonely, life.
Well said!
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Re: Article: I Look Down On Young Women With Husbands And Kids And I’m Not Sorry
I have had careers and I have many degrees and I also have chosen to stay home. She can honestly not speak about staying home b/c she has no experience with that and no way to compare working in the world and working "as a mother who stays home".
She sounds like a man, or just a real ignorant idiot who is speaking about something she has no firsthand knowledge about. Stupid childlike article IMO.
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Re: Article: I Look Down On Young Women With Husbands And Kids And I’m Not Sorry
Posted by Googlie
"You will never have the time, energy, freedom or mobility to be exceptional if you have a husband and kids."
I think I am quite exceptional as a working mom of two who married at the age of 21, earned two Master's degree and is an assistant principal before the age of 30. You don't have to agree with everyone's life choices but don't knock them!
I think she is referring to women who stay home though mostly.
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Re: Article: I Look Down On Young Women With Husbands And Kids And I’m Not Sorry
I love when people with no clue on subjects comment on them.
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Re: Article: I Look Down On Young Women With Husbands And Kids And I’m Not Sorry
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Posted by Googlie
"You will never have the time, energy, freedom or mobility to be exceptional if you have a husband and kids."
I think I am quite exceptional as a working mom of two who married at the age of 21, earned two Master's degree and is an assistant principal before the age of 30. You don't have to agree with everyone's life choices but don't knock them!
I think she is referring to women who stay home though mostly.
I don't get why being exceptional has to be a career based thing. You can be a Sahm and be an exceptional person. And you can be an exceptional single woman at the top of her career. For me personally, I had the career and now I'm a Sahm and I have never felt the sense of accomplishment I do now when I was climbing the corporate ladder. I wasn't exceptional when I working because I wasn't truly happy, now I am. But thats me and my life and what works for me doesn't work for everyone. Different strokes for different strokes. I just will never understand why people care so much about what other people do. If it doesn't impact you who cares what someone else does?
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Re: Article: I Look Down On Young Women With Husbands And Kids And I’m Not Sorry
Bottom line is she's an ignorant moron that thinks her opinion means something. I wonder why people stop to give these type of people a chance to be heard. Really, who cares what she thinks???? And NO, I do not think she makes some valid points as someone stated above.. In your world maybe, in mine, my life is fine nd I live it the way I want. I am not going to judge someone who thinks doing laundry is an accomplishment. Maybe it is for them, so what?!?!
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Re: Article: I Look Down On Young Women With Husbands And Kids And I’m Not Sorry
Posted by MrsA1012
I couldn't disagree with her more. Also, since when is backpacking through Asia an accomplishment, lol !!?? Personally, I feel that there are very few jobs that are as meaningful as raising a healthy, well adjusted human being , exactly!!! backpacking through Asia sounds like a PITA. I'd rather be in a marriott by the pool sipping piña colodas...lol different strokes for different folks. The greatest accomplishment in my life is most certainly my children.
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Re: Article: I Look Down On Young Women With Husbands And Kids And I’m Not Sorry
Posted by alli3131
I would post this over on the child free board. I bet every single one of them will tell you they absolutely do not feel they are missing out on anything by not having children.
As much as you feel she is judging....so are you.
We all have different priorities. Doesn't make one right or wrong.
I took my 20s and most of 30s and did many of those things you can't do with a family (or do easily). It was completely my choice. I chose not to have a husband or family in my 20s or early 30s. My choice was great for me and I understand it isn't for others.
But to say someone is missing out because they are not a parent is a bit much IMO.
I agree. Being a parent is not for everyone. I would never feel sad for someone who CHOOSES not to have a child. There are enough people in this world, NOT EVERYONE needs to procreate. The species will not go extinct if some people choose that they aren't interested in having a child. Good for them I say, if they know it's not for them. She can say she doesn't want to have kids, but the rest of her beliefs are NOT based on experience and comparing between being a parent vs not. So those are pointless jibber jabber. And we all know that you have to be a parent to know how much it rocks your world (in a good or bad way)!
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Re: Article: I Look Down On Young Women With Husbands And Kids And I’m Not Sorry
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Posted by alli3131
I would post this over on the child free board. I bet every single one of them will tell you they absolutely do not feel they are missing out on anything by not having children.
As much as you feel she is judging....so are you.
We all have different priorities. Doesn't make one right or wrong.
I took my 20s and most of 30s and did many of those things you can't do with a family (or do easily). It was completely my choice. I chose not to have a husband or family in my 20s or early 30s. My choice was great for me and I understand it isn't for others.
But to say someone is missing out because they are not a parent is a bit much IMO.
I agree. Being a parent is not for everyone. I would never feel sad for someone who CHOOSES not to have a child. There are enough people in this world, NOT EVERYONE needs to procreate. The species will not go extinct if some people choose that they aren't interested in having a child. Good for them I say, if they know it's not for them. She can say she doesn't want to have kids, but the rest of her beliefs are NOT based on experience and comparing between being a parent vs not. So those are pointless jibber jabber. And we all know that you have to be a parent to know how much it rocks your world (in a good or bad way)!
right, except she chose to put her position In a big article as if her opinion matters. Do you care what she thinks about your position? I don't. I don't have to defend someone's position of not wanting children, I have to love the position I am in. No reason to come out with an article or any other line of defense in something you believe in. She's an attention seeker.
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Re: Article: I Look Down On Young Women With Husbands And Kids And I’m Not Sorry
I am mostly a SAHM. I read the article. Honestly, I get what she is saying. Yes, she says it in a bitter inflammatory nasty way while insulting much of the female population. I take from this that women don't have to follow the expected path in life to be successful. I agree that the accomplishments of single women AND married women/mothers outside the home should be celebrated more.
I think she wrote it in the way she did perhaps hoping for it to go viral because anyone should know if you write something like this you will piss off a lot of people.
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Re: Article: I Look Down On Young Women With Husbands And Kids And I’m Not Sorry
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Posted by nferrandi
She's just bitter because she hasn't been able to complete the very "easy" task of getting someone to marry her.
This was my first thought!
Honestly, I feel sorry for her that she feels she has to "accomplish" so much in order to validate her life. I feel sad for her. Maybe she will feel awesome after backpacking through Asia alone, but she may never feel the sense of accomplishment from looking down at a content, sleeping baby suckling from her own nipple, or the pure love of a toddler throwing her arms around you and saying "I love you mom."
I also feel she has it wrong, as there is NOTHING more important than raising a child to be a contributing member of a future society. Cliche as it is, children ARE the future, and she can accomplish everything she ever dreamed, and more than likely her legacy will die with her...
As a SAHM, I'm not even offended by her ignorance...she has built up these lies she tells herself in order to feel better about her own, seemingly lonely, life.
I don't mean to single you out - but this is exactly my point. You are defending yourself, by going on the attack - Why do you feel sad for her? Backpacking through Asia is a huge experience ........and not hearing a toddler say "I love you mom" isn't going to make her less of a human being. -
and to YOU there is NOTHING more important that raising a child - b/c it's the most improtant thing YOU are doing in your life .......but it is not, in general the most important thing ANY woman can do w/ her life ........KWIM??
I am NOT defending what she wrote or the way she wrote it. - But I can pull some sense from it ........
I respectfully disagree with you. I do think a woman's and a man's most important job is being a parent. I don't look down on those who choose not to become parents. That is heir choice and I respect it. But deep down I honestly feel sad for them. That's my opinion, and I dont apologize for it.
ETA, I have no desire to backpack through Asia. Zero. And yet the author clearly thinks I'm missing out, and I'm sure she feels sorry for me that I'll never experience that. I said I wasn't offended by her article. IMO, she's the one missing out!
I would post this over on the child free board. I bet every single one of them will tell you they absolutely do not feel they are missing out on anything by not having children.
As much as you feel she is judging....so are you.
We all have different priorities. Doesn't make one right or wrong.
I took my 20s and most of 30s and did many of those things you can't do with a family (or do easily). It was completely my choice. I chose not to have a husband or family in my 20s or early 30s. My choice was great for me and I understand it isn't for others.
But to say someone is missing out because they are not a parent is a bit much IMO. I completely agree with this. In fact this is my biggest peeve too- people who think someone is "missing out" or feeling sorry for someone who chooses not to be married or have children. Their life isn't any less fulfilling because they choose not to have a husband or have children. There is nothing wrong with not having a family. I can't stand this type of judgement. And you say you don't look down on people like this, but you do in a way if you feel "sorry" for them and think the most important job is to be a parent. That's judgemental whether you meant it to come across that way or not. This way of thinking is just absurd to me and I'll add that I do have a husband and a child. There are people perfectly content not having a family. And there is nothing wrong with it either. People can find success and happiness in other ways. Not everyone "HAS" to have a family to be successful in life.
Different strokes for different folks.
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Re: Article: I Look Down On Young Women With Husbands And Kids And I’m Not Sorry
Posted by Googlie
"You will never have the time, energy, freedom or mobility to be exceptional if you have a husband and kids."
I think I am quite exceptional as a working mom of two who married at the age of 21, earned two Master's degree and is an assistant principal before the age of 30. You don't have to agree with everyone's life choices but don't knock them!
Go, you!!!!!! It's hard to be successful. Maybe harder with responsibilities other than yourself... But not impossible!
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Re: Article: I Look Down On Young Women With Husbands And Kids And I’m Not Sorry
Posted by MarisaK
While I agree, her writing style is obnoxious and abrasive.
I don't completely disagree with her message. The WAY she said it is awful, and it's coming off as the perspective of a bitter spinster ........but as a woman with a husband, and children - I CAN see some of her points.
Would anyone argue that doing laundry is an accomplishment on par with performing heart surgery?
I'd spin it differently though - I think a lot of the time, since getting married and having children while not "easy" as she put it, IS the socially acceptable and expected norm - Young women who have not hit those 'milestones' are looked down on by those who have with a sort of pity - And they also, feel about themselves that their lives aren't as important or they haven't accomplished as much -
I had this exact conversation with my best friend the other day - We're childhood friends, and planning to celebrate out 35th togather - I told her 35 bothered me this year. I don't know why, I just felt like, "GOD!! 35, there's so much more I wanted to accomplish at this point in my life" - her response? "are you kidding me? at least you're a REAL grown up" When I questioned it she said "You know, the husband, the house, the kids .........." - no where in there was any mention of my education or professional accomplishements, as if all that matters as a woman is your husband, your house and your kids -
This infuriates me. I wasn't mad at her - I was mad FOR her, and for myself. I was mad b/c she feel that at 35 she 'has no life' and is a failure and is embarassed if we bump into people from HS b/c she is single and childless - as if it's some diesease. As if her professional and educational and personal accomplishments don't matter at all - and mad for myself b/c since I AM married with children, the rest of my OWN prodessional or personal accomplishements for the rest of my life will have little to no significance b/c the only thing that really 'matters' is how well I raise my kids, and clean my house and keep my husband from cheating on me -
I do agree though, that promotions, and major life events SHOULD be celebrated for ALL women - NOT just those who aren't married, as if it's some kind of consolation prize - "Oh well, she didn't get married or have babies, so let's go out and celebrate her new VP promotion" .........
This mentality and judgement keeps us ALL on the defense, and at each other's throats constantly -
but it will never change - b/c women, are AWFUL to each other.
I don't think your friend's comment came from her not validating her accomplishments. think about it? who do we consider the "grown ups"? our parents, our friends parents, those with major responsibilities. yes, your single friend has lots of responsibilities (like rent, and car payments, and student loans, etc) but anything she chooses to do will affect her and her only. Any decision YOU make involves your DH and DCs. you can no longer just do what YOU want, you need to think about what best for You plural. I think that's what she means by REAL grown up.
and for the record, we always celebrate promotions, buying property, and major accomplishments. Birthday parties are a big deal in our house, no matter who is the birthday person. My DHs 35 will likely be a 30 person, all-day affair. we've had birthday parties bigger than bridal shower or some weddings. It's not the accomplishment that matters but how much it matters to you.
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Re: Article: I Look Down On Young Women With Husbands And Kids And I’m Not Sorry
"I hear women talk about how “hard” it is to raise kids and manage a household all the time. I never hear men talk about this. It’s because women secretly like to talk about how hard managing a household is so they don’t have to explain their lack of real accomplishments. Men don’t care to “manage a household.” They aren’t conditioned to think stupid things like that are “important.”"
I think the writer completely does not understand men and women. In my experience, with few men as exceptions, men don't talk about this because they have a wife who takes care of it! my DH is extremely helpful, a great father, and will do anything that you ask him to. But that's the thing, you have to ask him to! he never thinks about it himself first. if there is an issue, he just shrugs and goes" my wife will find a solution and then i will help"
managing a household is like managing a company, but with less cooperative employes! Many of the thing i use in my job to do it well, i learned from being a mom and a wife and managing a household- the "stupid" things.
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Article: I Look Down On Young Women With Husbands And Kids And I’m Not Sorry
I just showed my friend this and now all my gf's are talking about it on FB lol
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Re: Article: I Look Down On Young Women With Husbands And Kids And I’m Not Sorry
I don't put much stock into this blog at all. It's coming from a very narrow minded, inflammatory place and makes me roll my eyes. Some of the most accomplished women I know we're sahm's who raised amazing kids..my mom and nanny included. I love being a sahm and have every faith that it's the best thing for my kids. I have time later for a career if I so choose but for now, this is my life's greatest happiness. The author sounds very unhappy with her own life, and that's too bad
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Article: I Look Down On Young Women With Husbands And Kids And I’m Not Sorry
Not everyone on the CF board is there by choice.
That said, I did read that article and it is just a bunch of opinionated ignorant horseshit. No one is better than another because they have chilldren/don't have children, are married/unmarried, own a home/rent a home, have travelled the world/never left the block they grew up on.
If I am happy with the way my life is, I don't give a fluck about what others think. I am who I am, you are who you are. Not for anyone to judge.
Unfortunately this chick is getting a lot of publicity for her opinions.
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Re: Article: I Look Down On Young Women With Husbands And Kids And I’m Not Sorry
Posted by SusiBee
Not everyone on the CF board is there by choice.
That said, I did read that article and it is just a bunch of opinionated ignorant horseshit. No one is better than another because they have chilldren/don't have children, are married/unmarried, own a home/rent a home, have travelled the world/never left the block they grew up on.
If I am happy with the way my life is, I don't give a fluck about what others think. I am who I am, you are who you are. Not for anyone to judge.
Unfortunately this chick is getting a lot of publicity for her opinions.
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Article: I Look Down On Young Women With Husbands And Kids And I’m Not Sorry
Who cares. What is unimportant and regular to her is special to me. I have a great education, a nice career, I have accomplished many things and to me my family, my husband and son are by far my greatest accomplishments. I don't care if others feel differently or see m life as regular and boring...whatever lol
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Article: I Look Down On Young Women With Husbands And Kids And I’m Not Sorry
She uses the word "exceptional" to describe the woman without a husband and children.
I guess we will all have to come up with our own definition of exceptional. SHE is an exceptionally b!tc#y and miserable woman.
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