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karennew
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Autism and vaccinations
I've been told from some people and also saw on Oprah and the View that there is a theory that when the vaccinations are bulked together, it can lead to autism...especially in boys. I'm very paranoid about autism since it is at such a high rate right now (I think it's 1 in 150).
DH and I met with a pediatrician today who said she will not break up the vaccinations.
Is anyone else concerned with this? I would like to go with the doctor that we met, I'm just not sure if I'm being ridiculous.
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Re: Autism and vaccinations
My ped said there isn't enough evidence to support this and she gave her own grandchildren shots in groups. I wasn't overly concerned with it and Alex is fine so far.
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| Posted 5/9/07 1:20 PM |
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KateDevine
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Re: Autism and vaccinations
I don't think there is a link personally. I haven't done a ton of research, but I don't have a choice, my DS has to be vaccinated because my DH is an EMT and we never know what he could come home with. We had a TB scare while I was pregnant.
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| Posted 5/9/07 1:21 PM |
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DanaRenee
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Re: Autism and vaccinations
your not being ridculous but it just seems like there is a risk in doing anything these days!!!
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| Posted 5/9/07 1:23 PM |
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dawnie
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Re: Autism and vaccinations
My doctor said the is not enough evidence but she does carry the split MMR. I split the doses for son. I also delayed them a little.
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| Posted 5/9/07 1:23 PM |
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Re: Autism and vaccinations
My ped said that there is no evidence but I probably will be delaying the MMR a little bit.
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| Posted 5/9/07 1:34 PM |
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AnnBrunoXO
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Re: Autism and vaccinations
Posted by DanaRenee
your not being ridculous but it just seems like there is a risk in doing anything these days!!!
I agree. My daughter is completely fine - the doctor just gave the vaccinations in single doses - each time we would visit in case of any reactions etc...
Everything has been fine.
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| Posted 5/9/07 1:39 PM |
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shellybean
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Re: Autism and vaccinations
there hasnt been one Real link to this, its not true...
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| Posted 5/9/07 1:45 PM |
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shellybean
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Re: Autism and vaccinations
there hasnt been one Real link to this, its not true...
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| Posted 5/9/07 1:46 PM |
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shellybean
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Re: Autism and vaccinations
wanted to add....the rise in autism is because....along with vaccines...at that time we started diagnosing autism as autism, in the past they used to put everyone in the MR or handicapped catagory...its just a coincidence....
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| Posted 5/9/07 1:47 PM |
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MrsBlueSash
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Re: Autism and vaccinations
My SIL works with many autistic children, she is compound pharmacist who sees many cases and helps with treatments. She attends multiple annual training events to get the latest news on autism and she agrees there may be a link with vaccinations. I am following a regime of vaccinations from her, and she is getting me what she believes are the better vaccinations. I think better safe than sorry and that you are not being paranoid be asking questions, doing research and making the best decision for you.
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| Posted 5/9/07 1:48 PM |
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smdl
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Re: Autism and vaccinations
I saw a pediatrician at a class and the issue was raised.
He said that there was NO evidence of any link BUT he personally would give separate doses for worried parents.
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shellybean
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Re: Autism and vaccinations
If your not comfortable with lumping them together, switch dr's, that way you feel piece of mind!
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hbugal
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Re: Autism and vaccinations
Although there has been plenty of hooplah on the subject their appears to be NO LINK between vaccinations and autism...the link appear to have possibly of been in the mercury that is added to the vaccination to extend its shelf life...a lot of doctors have switched vaccination types any way...
LIZA are you there?
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| Posted 5/9/07 2:16 PM |
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Re: Autism and vaccinations
. LIZA are you there?
Yup - I am here!!! LOL...
I am an autism professional, and there is no evidence of autism and vaccinations. It is getting out of control with it being presented on shows with no evidence to support it.
There is a whole camp of people who believe this. But the most evidence is pointing to genetics. In my experience, where I see siblings with it - whether they have been vaccinated or not (I know parents who believed in the vaccs connection, didnt vaccinate the sibling, and he still wound up with autism...)
I will be getting my child vaccinated. I will split up the vaccs for health reasons, but not because of autism
ETA - lets not forget that Asperger's syndrome was recently put in the DSM-IV, which is also in the autism spectrum, whereas in the past it went undiagnosed most of the time. That will obviously increase the number of those Dx with autism as well....
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Goldi0218
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Re: Autism and vaccinations
Im with Liza. I teach children on all areas of the spectrum as well. Diagnoses have changed so much over the years and categorizations exist now that never existed before. My opinion is that if anything, there may be more of a genetic link than anything else, but I am not a diagnostician.
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lululu
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Re: Autism and vaccinations
Correct me if I'm wrong but I dont think that anyone ever thought the vaccinations themselves were causing Autism, rather the Thermersol (mercury) that was added to the vaccinations as a preservative. There were some strange "connections" between children who are autistic and their ability digest mercury, and I think that this helped support the theory that vaccinations were causing autism. As far as I know, vaccinations in the US no longer contain thermersol so there should be nothing to worry about on that front.
Although my husband and I have not decided exactly how we will approach vaccinations, my thoughts are that they will be split up and they will be delayed. I would be uncomfortable with any pediatrician that did not seem to understand my concerns and insisted on doing it her way. If I were you, I think that I would look for a new pediatrician - someone that is more receptive to your parental concerns.
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| Posted 5/9/07 3:05 PM |
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I don't think I believe in the vaccinations theory. but I haven't looked into it enough to really draw a conclusion. ETA: I am not sure if I will just play it safe by not grouping my child's vaccinations.
I believe that more kids are being diagnosed because more kids are being evaluated and more kids are having testing done while they are of pre-school age. Also, kids who are on the borderline end of the spectrum used to go undiagnosed, or the families and schools blamed other factors for any delays pr problems.
As for Asbergers (sp??), I've seen what Liza is talking about. I went to high school with someone who was diagnosed about 2-3 years ago when he was in his mid 30s. I can't remember what triggered the testing when he was older. Back in school, we all knew that he wasn't like the other kids but I don't think he got any special services. He was picked on a lot (not sure if he even realizes that) but I believe that he always passed his classes. We were in a top school district, too. I guess that someone like him would be diagnosed by middle school today.
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patti08
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Re: Autism and vaccinations
I've seen much more convincing studies of a link between Autism and Television viewing and I don't even believe that 100%.
I'm not worried about vaccinations causing a problem, I'd be more worried about what the vaccinations prevent.
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JenBenMen
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Re: Autism and vaccinations
My dr said that he will do the vaccinations--however, he also said that if the baby is not progressing to where he thinks he/she should be, he woul stop the vaccinations for a while
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Mommy2Boys
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Re: Autism and vaccinations
DH and I met with a pediatrician today who said she will not break up the vaccinations
If my ped. said this to me, I would walk out the door. It is up to YOU, not your dr. how to vaccinate your child b/c god forbid something happens your dr. isnt going to be the one caring for your child the rest of his life.
I did alot of research and read up on everything. My husband and I decided not to allow the hospital to give our son the Hep shot at birth (my dr. was ok with this. He also did not think it was necessary). I also interviewed my ped. and he said he was ok holding off on starting shots for DS until he was a couple months older and he would do one shot at a time if that is what I wanted. We sat and talked about autism and vaccinations as well as other links to autism. He feels that ultimately it is the parents decision. My son is also not going into daycare or that kind of setting so it is a little bit of a different situation.
Noone is going to be able to make this decision for you b/c everyone has different opinions. You have to do what you and your DH want to and what you can live with.
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bayla
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Re: Autism and vaccinations
Posted by lululu
Correct me if I'm wrong but I dont think that anyone ever thought the vaccinations themselves were causing Autism, rather the Thermersol (mercury) that was added to the vaccinations as a preservative. There were some strange "connections" between children who are autistic and their ability digest mercury, and I think that this helped support the theory that vaccinations were causing autism. As far as I know, vaccinations in the US no longer contain thermersol so there should be nothing to worry about on that front.
Although my husband and I have not decided exactly how we will approach vaccinations, my thoughts are that they will be split up and they will be delayed. I would be uncomfortable with any pediatrician that did not seem to understand my concerns and insisted on doing it her way. If I were you, I think that I would look for a new pediatrician - someone that is more receptive to your parental concerns.
Your correct with the mercury issue. They now have shots that are "preservative" free.
Me and my DH wil also be delaying the MMR, not givng the HEB B shot at birth, and not givng more then 2 shots at one office visit
*and i work with autistic kids too and while their is no "evidence" i do have PLENTY of parents who feel that they shouldnt have vaccinated or should have waited, not done so many togehter, etc, i dont agree or disagree wtih them, its just their feelings from their own experience
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I dont think that anyone ever thought the vaccinations themselves were causing Autism, rather the Thermersol (mercury) that was added to the vaccinations as a preservative.
Yes - you are right - it was the thimerosol that was blamed, and mercury in general... which causes a lot of parents to chlate their children, with dangerous results (although I know some parents who swear by chelation)
I've seen much more convincing studies of a link between Autism and Television viewing and I don't even believe that 100%
This is ridiculous!  How many kids do you know who LIVE on TV and do not have autism? Same thing with vaccinations...
As for Asbergers (sp??), I've seen what Liza is talking about. I went to high school with someone who was diagnosed about 2-3 years ago when he was in his mid 30s. I can't remember what triggered the testing when he was older. Back in school, we all knew that he wasn't like the other kids but I don't think he got any special services. He was picked on a lot (not sure if he even realizes that) but I believe that he always passed his classes. We were in a top school district, too. I guess that someone like him would be diagnosed by middle school today.
Yes - if most of us look back at middle school and high school, and college - remember those weird geeky people that were sooo smart, but never bathed, were obsessed with star trek, trains, chess, computers, or some other interest obsessively? They had few friends, could not speak up in class, and shied away from any social situation? These folks would now be diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome. At conferences, I'll have adults diagnosed recently who will tell me they were so grateful to discover that there was an explanation to why they never could fit in...
I read a book about autism too, where adults in residential programs were diagnosed with mental retardation, and then were retested and re-diagnosed with autism instead...
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cjik
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Re: Autism and vaccinations
No one really knows what causes autism. One theory is that surplus synapses developed by the brain (up until about age 6) remain. Most children's brains remove synapses that are unecessary after that age, allowing the child to think more logically and retain more information. So the theory is that people with autism have too many synapses, and potentially, too much stimuli to filter things properly.
There also seems to be a strong genetic component to autism.
I've heard the autism/vaccination argument before, but I don't buy it. Many children have vaccines, and most don't have autism. I would personally rather have vaccines for my child and take my chances.
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| Posted 5/9/07 6:06 PM |
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nbc188
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Re: Autism and vaccinations
The Hep B shot at birth. Don't they have to either get it at the hospital or within a few days after birth at the pediatrician's office? I never knew it was an option to not get it at all...
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