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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by mxoxom2004
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Posted by mommy2devin
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Posted by mxoxom2004
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Posted by Pomegranate5
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Posted by NervousNell
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Posted by NervousNell
Posted by mxoxom2004
Good! It should be added to the schedule of mandatory vaccinations.
Why?
What data supports that for children?
Hospitalizations Associated with COVID-19 Among Children and Adolescents - COVID-NET, 14 States, March 1, 2020-August 14, 2021.
Although COVID-19-associated hospitalizations and deaths have occurred more frequently in adults, † COVID-19 can also lead to severe outcomes in children and adolescents (1,2). Schools are opening for in-person learning, and many prekindergarten children are returning to early care and education programs during a time when the number of COVID-19 cases caused by the highly transmissible B.1.617.2 (Delta) variant of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, is increasing. § Therefore, it is important to monitor indicators of severe COVID-19 among children and adolescents. This analysis uses Coronavirus Disease 2019-Associated Hospitalization Surveillance Network (COVID-NET) ¶ data to describe COVID-19-associated hospitalizations among U.S. children and adolescents aged 0-17 years.
During March 1, 2020-August 14, 2021, the cumulative incidence of COVID-19-associated hospitalizations was 49.7 per 100,000 children and adolescents. The weekly COVID-19-associated hospitalization rate per 100,000 children and adolescents during the week ending August 14, 2021 (1.4) was nearly five times the rate during the week ending June 26, 2021 (0.3); among children aged 0-4 years, the weekly hospitalization rate during the week ending August 14, 2021, was nearly 10 times that during the week ending June 26, 2021. ** During June 20-July 31, 2021, the hospitalization rate among unvaccinated adolescents (aged 12-17 years) was 10.1 times higher than that among fully vaccinated adolescents.
Among all hospitalized children and adolescents with COVID-19, the proportions with indicators of severe disease (such as intensive care unit [ICU] admission) after the Delta variant became predominant (June 20-July 31, 2021) were similar to those earlier in the pandemic (March 1, 2020-June 19, 2021). Implementation of preventive measures to reduce transmission and severe outcomes in children is critical, including vaccination of eligible persons, universal mask wearing in schools, recommended mask wearing by persons aged =2 years in other indoor public spaces and child care centers, †† and quarantining as recommended after exposure to persons with COVID-19. §§ .
Systemic Inflammation Is Associated With Neurologic Involvement in Pediatric Inflammatory Multisystem Syndrome Associated With SARS-CoV-2.
Objective: Pediatric inflammatory multisystem syndrome temporally associated with SARS-CoV-2 (PIMS-TS) is a severe immune-mediated disorder. We aim to report the neurologic features of children with PIMS-TS.
Methods: We identified children presenting to a large children's hospital with PIMS-TS from March to June 2020 and performed a retrospective medical note review, identifying clinical and investigative features alongside short-term outcome of children presenting with neurologic symptoms.
Results: Seventy-five patients with PIMS-TS were identified, 9 (12%) had neurologic involvement: altered conciseness (3), behavioral changes (3), focal neurology deficits (2), persistent headaches (2), hallucinations (2), excessive sleepiness (1), and new-onset focal seizures (1). Four patients had cranial images abnormalities. At 3-month follow-up, 1 child had died, 1 had hemiparesis, 3 had behavioral changes, and 4 completely recovered. Systemic inflammatory and prothrombotic markers were higher in patients with neurologic involvement (mean highest CRP 267 vs 202 mg/L, p = 0.05; procalcitonin 30.65 vs 13.11 µg/L, p = 0.04; fibrinogen 7.04 vs 6.17 g/L, p = 0.07; d-dimers 19.68 vs 7.35 mg/L, p = 0.005). Among patients with neurologic involvement, these markers were higher in those without full recovery at 3 months (ferritin 2284 vs 283 µg/L, p = 0.05; d-dimers 30.34 vs 6.37 mg/L, p = 0.04). Patients with and without neurologic involvement shared similar risk factors for PIMS-TS (Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic ethnicity 78% vs 70%, obese/overweight 56% vs 42%).
Conclusions: Broad neurologic features were found in 12% patients with PIMS-TS. By 3-month follow-up, half of these surviving children had recovered fully without neurologic impairment. Significantly higher systemic inflammatory markers were identified in children with neurologic involvement and in those who had not recovered fully.
And with all this it still should be the PARENT'S choice.
You're afraid? Vaccinate your kid.
Stay out of my decision for MY child.
And the Flu shot is not mandated. And I'm sure the numbers are similar for flu.
So why is the flu shot not mandated for school?
Any stats on that??
Why are you so hostile? You ask for studies then get all huffy when presented with them.
Stay out of my decision for MY child.
I never once mentioned your child and I don't recall ANYONE ever telling you that you HAVE TO vaccine your child. You are pretty clear about that. You don't have to mention it every 10 seconds.
You're afraid? Vaccinate your kid.
I'm not and I did.
You need to chill out. Seriously.
Aren't you the poster who started a thread the other day encouraging everyone to be kinder to each other?
I'm not being unkind. I'm not saying your responses are "b**chy" like you posted the other day on another thread.
I'm simply try to convey that it is obvious that you are extremely passionate about your belief in parental choice and vaccine hesitancy in children. How is constantly posting about it over and over on LIF going to change a thing? take your voice to the people who actually have the power to enact a change. Go get'em girl!
And windy....if you don't have something constructive to add, zip it.
This WAS you, just a few days ago, right?
Seriously people. Enough already.
The nastiness.
The name-calling.
It's enough.
If you can't respond to a post without calling someone a b*tch, move on.
If you can't respond without insulting someone else's views, move on.
If you can't respond without being nasty, condescending or just plain rude, move on.
I know I probably have been guilty of all of the above in the past but recognize that these types of responses accomplish nothing.
These boards have always had drama but lately it's gone beyond that into a really dark place.
Enough already. Please.
Where was the OP any of those things? OH, WAIT.. she was b/c she went against your opinions. Super Windy to the rescue.
Huh? Proofreading needs to be done to this post.
I wasn’t rude to Nell. We debated.
You I was a teeeeeeeeny bit rude. My bad.
However, your snarky response to the above poster just illustrates the general milieu of the boards and it’s just not necessary.
You told her she was hostile and to chill out. That’s not rude?
MXOXOM, don’t do it. Don’t give windy/hazel what she wants. She’s baiting you into a confrontation that will go on for pages. You weren’t rude, maybe except for telling her to zip it. But most posters can overlook that. 
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Posted by mommy2devin
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by mxoxom2004
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by mommy2devin
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by mxoxom2004
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Pomegranate5
Posted by mxoxom2004
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by mxoxom2004
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by mxoxom2004
Good! It should be added to the schedule of mandatory vaccinations.
Why?
What data supports that for children?
Hospitalizations Associated with COVID-19 Among Children and Adolescents - COVID-NET, 14 States, March 1, 2020-August 14, 2021.
Although COVID-19-associated hospitalizations and deaths have occurred more frequently in adults, † COVID-19 can also lead to severe outcomes in children and adolescents (1,2). Schools are opening for in-person learning, and many prekindergarten children are returning to early care and education programs during a time when the number of COVID-19 cases caused by the highly transmissible B.1.617.2 (Delta) variant of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, is increasing. § Therefore, it is important to monitor indicators of severe COVID-19 among children and adolescents. This analysis uses Coronavirus Disease 2019-Associated Hospitalization Surveillance Network (COVID-NET) ¶ data to describe COVID-19-associated hospitalizations among U.S. children and adolescents aged 0-17 years.
During March 1, 2020-August 14, 2021, the cumulative incidence of COVID-19-associated hospitalizations was 49.7 per 100,000 children and adolescents. The weekly COVID-19-associated hospitalization rate per 100,000 children and adolescents during the week ending August 14, 2021 (1.4) was nearly five times the rate during the week ending June 26, 2021 (0.3); among children aged 0-4 years, the weekly hospitalization rate during the week ending August 14, 2021, was nearly 10 times that during the week ending June 26, 2021. ** During June 20-July 31, 2021, the hospitalization rate among unvaccinated adolescents (aged 12-17 years) was 10.1 times higher than that among fully vaccinated adolescents.
Among all hospitalized children and adolescents with COVID-19, the proportions with indicators of severe disease (such as intensive care unit [ICU] admission) after the Delta variant became predominant (June 20-July 31, 2021) were similar to those earlier in the pandemic (March 1, 2020-June 19, 2021). Implementation of preventive measures to reduce transmission and severe outcomes in children is critical, including vaccination of eligible persons, universal mask wearing in schools, recommended mask wearing by persons aged =2 years in other indoor public spaces and child care centers, †† and quarantining as recommended after exposure to persons with COVID-19. §§ .
Systemic Inflammation Is Associated With Neurologic Involvement in Pediatric Inflammatory Multisystem Syndrome Associated With SARS-CoV-2.
Objective: Pediatric inflammatory multisystem syndrome temporally associated with SARS-CoV-2 (PIMS-TS) is a severe immune-mediated disorder. We aim to report the neurologic features of children with PIMS-TS.
Methods: We identified children presenting to a large children's hospital with PIMS-TS from March to June 2020 and performed a retrospective medical note review, identifying clinical and investigative features alongside short-term outcome of children presenting with neurologic symptoms.
Results: Seventy-five patients with PIMS-TS were identified, 9 (12%) had neurologic involvement: altered conciseness (3), behavioral changes (3), focal neurology deficits (2), persistent headaches (2), hallucinations (2), excessive sleepiness (1), and new-onset focal seizures (1). Four patients had cranial images abnormalities. At 3-month follow-up, 1 child had died, 1 had hemiparesis, 3 had behavioral changes, and 4 completely recovered. Systemic inflammatory and prothrombotic markers were higher in patients with neurologic involvement (mean highest CRP 267 vs 202 mg/L, p = 0.05; procalcitonin 30.65 vs 13.11 µg/L, p = 0.04; fibrinogen 7.04 vs 6.17 g/L, p = 0.07; d-dimers 19.68 vs 7.35 mg/L, p = 0.005). Among patients with neurologic involvement, these markers were higher in those without full recovery at 3 months (ferritin 2284 vs 283 µg/L, p = 0.05; d-dimers 30.34 vs 6.37 mg/L, p = 0.04). Patients with and without neurologic involvement shared similar risk factors for PIMS-TS (Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic ethnicity 78% vs 70%, obese/overweight 56% vs 42%).
Conclusions: Broad neurologic features were found in 12% patients with PIMS-TS. By 3-month follow-up, half of these surviving children had recovered fully without neurologic impairment. Significantly higher systemic inflammatory markers were identified in children with neurologic involvement and in those who had not recovered fully.
And with all this it still should be the PARENT'S choice.
You're afraid? Vaccinate your kid.
Stay out of my decision for MY child.
And the Flu shot is not mandated. And I'm sure the numbers are similar for flu.
So why is the flu shot not mandated for school?
Any stats on that??
Why are you so hostile? You ask for studies then get all huffy when presented with them.
Stay out of my decision for MY child.
I never once mentioned your child and I don't recall ANYONE ever telling you that you HAVE TO vaccine your child. You are pretty clear about that. You don't have to mention it every 10 seconds.
You're afraid? Vaccinate your kid.
I'm not and I did.
You need to chill out. Seriously.
Aren't you the poster who started a thread the other day encouraging everyone to be kinder to each other?
I'm not being unkind. I'm not saying your responses are "b**chy" like you posted the other day on another thread.
I'm simply try to convey that it is obvious that you are extremely passionate about your belief in parental choice and vaccine hesitancy in children. How is constantly posting about it over and over on LIF going to change a thing? take your voice to the people who actually have the power to enact a change. Go get'em girl!
And windy....if you don't have something constructive to add, zip it.
This WAS you, just a few days ago, right?
Seriously people. Enough already.
The nastiness.
The name-calling.
It's enough.
If you can't respond to a post without calling someone a b*tch, move on.
If you can't respond without insulting someone else's views, move on.
If you can't respond without being nasty, condescending or just plain rude, move on.
I know I probably have been guilty of all of the above in the past but recognize that these types of responses accomplish nothing.
These boards have always had drama but lately it's gone beyond that into a really dark place.
Enough already. Please.
Where was the OP any of those things? OH, WAIT.. she was b/c she went against your opinions. Super Windy to the rescue.
Huh? Proofreading needs to be done to this post.
I wasn’t rude to Nell. We debated.
You I was a teeeeeeeeny bit rude. My bad.
However, your snarky response to the above poster just illustrates the general milieu of the boards and it’s just not necessary.
You told her she was hostile and to chill out. That’s not rude?
MXOXOM, don’t do it. Don’t give windy/hazel what she wants. She’s baiting you into a confrontation that will go on for pages. You weren’t rude, maybe except for telling her to zip it. But most posters can overlook that.
Pointing out the hypocrisy as others posters did too.
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Posted by blu6385
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by blu6385
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by blu6385
If it would fly in NY ??? Ummm yes it would. We already have vaccine mandates. It should be no surprise if it passes here.
The flu shot was never mandated for school in NY.
And the flu is just if not more dangerous to kids than Covid.
So makes you wonder why....
They are trying to pass the flu shot but it hasn’t. But for this one since it’s mandated already in other scenarios I won’t really wonder why this one will be mandated.
I see both sides to mandates but as I always say it should be up to the parent because if I vaccinating my kids then why do I need to worry about unvaccinated kids??!!
(But at the same time there are kids that legitimately can’t get it for medical reasons so what about those kids??? Which is one of the reasons why I see both sides of the argument)
So that argument (kids who can't be vaccinated due to medical issues) would hold water IF this vaccine prevented transmission
But it doesn't.
So the whole room can be vaccinated and that one kid who can't be can still catch it.
So that argument is out the window with this particular vaccine.
It does hold water for other vaccines though
Fair enough and I meant my statement to be more general mandates on all vaccines not just this one.
But it is a good point which maybe is why the flu one hasn’t been mandated yet??!
It very well may be.
My point is that should be why the Covid vaccine is NOT mandated.
Just the same as the flu shot is not mandated (by the way, my DD does get a flu shot yearly)
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Posted by mommy2devin
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by mxoxom2004
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by mommy2devin
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by mxoxom2004
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Pomegranate5
Posted by mxoxom2004
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by mxoxom2004
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by mxoxom2004
Good! It should be added to the schedule of mandatory vaccinations.
Why?
What data supports that for children?
Hospitalizations Associated with COVID-19 Among Children and Adolescents - COVID-NET, 14 States, March 1, 2020-August 14, 2021.
Although COVID-19-associated hospitalizations and deaths have occurred more frequently in adults, † COVID-19 can also lead to severe outcomes in children and adolescents (1,2). Schools are opening for in-person learning, and many prekindergarten children are returning to early care and education programs during a time when the number of COVID-19 cases caused by the highly transmissible B.1.617.2 (Delta) variant of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, is increasing. § Therefore, it is important to monitor indicators of severe COVID-19 among children and adolescents. This analysis uses Coronavirus Disease 2019-Associated Hospitalization Surveillance Network (COVID-NET) ¶ data to describe COVID-19-associated hospitalizations among U.S. children and adolescents aged 0-17 years.
During March 1, 2020-August 14, 2021, the cumulative incidence of COVID-19-associated hospitalizations was 49.7 per 100,000 children and adolescents. The weekly COVID-19-associated hospitalization rate per 100,000 children and adolescents during the week ending August 14, 2021 (1.4) was nearly five times the rate during the week ending June 26, 2021 (0.3); among children aged 0-4 years, the weekly hospitalization rate during the week ending August 14, 2021, was nearly 10 times that during the week ending June 26, 2021. ** During June 20-July 31, 2021, the hospitalization rate among unvaccinated adolescents (aged 12-17 years) was 10.1 times higher than that among fully vaccinated adolescents.
Among all hospitalized children and adolescents with COVID-19, the proportions with indicators of severe disease (such as intensive care unit [ICU] admission) after the Delta variant became predominant (June 20-July 31, 2021) were similar to those earlier in the pandemic (March 1, 2020-June 19, 2021). Implementation of preventive measures to reduce transmission and severe outcomes in children is critical, including vaccination of eligible persons, universal mask wearing in schools, recommended mask wearing by persons aged =2 years in other indoor public spaces and child care centers, †† and quarantining as recommended after exposure to persons with COVID-19. §§ .
Systemic Inflammation Is Associated With Neurologic Involvement in Pediatric Inflammatory Multisystem Syndrome Associated With SARS-CoV-2.
Objective: Pediatric inflammatory multisystem syndrome temporally associated with SARS-CoV-2 (PIMS-TS) is a severe immune-mediated disorder. We aim to report the neurologic features of children with PIMS-TS.
Methods: We identified children presenting to a large children's hospital with PIMS-TS from March to June 2020 and performed a retrospective medical note review, identifying clinical and investigative features alongside short-term outcome of children presenting with neurologic symptoms.
Results: Seventy-five patients with PIMS-TS were identified, 9 (12%) had neurologic involvement: altered conciseness (3), behavioral changes (3), focal neurology deficits (2), persistent headaches (2), hallucinations (2), excessive sleepiness (1), and new-onset focal seizures (1). Four patients had cranial images abnormalities. At 3-month follow-up, 1 child had died, 1 had hemiparesis, 3 had behavioral changes, and 4 completely recovered. Systemic inflammatory and prothrombotic markers were higher in patients with neurologic involvement (mean highest CRP 267 vs 202 mg/L, p = 0.05; procalcitonin 30.65 vs 13.11 µg/L, p = 0.04; fibrinogen 7.04 vs 6.17 g/L, p = 0.07; d-dimers 19.68 vs 7.35 mg/L, p = 0.005). Among patients with neurologic involvement, these markers were higher in those without full recovery at 3 months (ferritin 2284 vs 283 µg/L, p = 0.05; d-dimers 30.34 vs 6.37 mg/L, p = 0.04). Patients with and without neurologic involvement shared similar risk factors for PIMS-TS (Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic ethnicity 78% vs 70%, obese/overweight 56% vs 42%).
Conclusions: Broad neurologic features were found in 12% patients with PIMS-TS. By 3-month follow-up, half of these surviving children had recovered fully without neurologic impairment. Significantly higher systemic inflammatory markers were identified in children with neurologic involvement and in those who had not recovered fully.
And with all this it still should be the PARENT'S choice.
You're afraid? Vaccinate your kid.
Stay out of my decision for MY child.
And the Flu shot is not mandated. And I'm sure the numbers are similar for flu.
So why is the flu shot not mandated for school?
Any stats on that??
Why are you so hostile? You ask for studies then get all huffy when presented with them.
Stay out of my decision for MY child.
I never once mentioned your child and I don't recall ANYONE ever telling you that you HAVE TO vaccine your child. You are pretty clear about that. You don't have to mention it every 10 seconds.
You're afraid? Vaccinate your kid.
I'm not and I did.
You need to chill out. Seriously.
Aren't you the poster who started a thread the other day encouraging everyone to be kinder to each other?
I'm not being unkind. I'm not saying your responses are "b**chy" like you posted the other day on another thread.
I'm simply try to convey that it is obvious that you are extremely passionate about your belief in parental choice and vaccine hesitancy in children. How is constantly posting about it over and over on LIF going to change a thing? take your voice to the people who actually have the power to enact a change. Go get'em girl!
And windy....if you don't have something constructive to add, zip it.
This WAS you, just a few days ago, right?
Seriously people. Enough already.
The nastiness.
The name-calling.
It's enough.
If you can't respond to a post without calling someone a b*tch, move on.
If you can't respond without insulting someone else's views, move on.
If you can't respond without being nasty, condescending or just plain rude, move on.
I know I probably have been guilty of all of the above in the past but recognize that these types of responses accomplish nothing.
These boards have always had drama but lately it's gone beyond that into a really dark place.
Enough already. Please.
Where was the OP any of those things? OH, WAIT.. she was b/c she went against your opinions. Super Windy to the rescue.
Huh? Proofreading needs to be done to this post.
I wasn’t rude to Nell. We debated.
You I was a teeeeeeeeny bit rude. My bad.
However, your snarky response to the above poster just illustrates the general milieu of the boards and it’s just not necessary.
You told her she was hostile and to chill out. That’s not rude?
MXOXOM, don’t do it. Don’t give windy/hazel what she wants. She’s baiting you into a confrontation that will go on for pages. You weren’t rude, maybe except for telling her to zip it. But most posters can overlook that.
Yet you keeping going back and forth
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mxoxom2004
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Posted by mommy2devin
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by mxoxom2004
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by mommy2devin
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by mxoxom2004
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by Pomegranate5
Posted by mxoxom2004
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by mxoxom2004
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by mxoxom2004
Good! It should be added to the schedule of mandatory vaccinations.
Why?
What data supports that for children?
Hospitalizations Associated with COVID-19 Among Children and Adolescents - COVID-NET, 14 States, March 1, 2020-August 14, 2021.
Although COVID-19-associated hospitalizations and deaths have occurred more frequently in adults, † COVID-19 can also lead to severe outcomes in children and adolescents (1,2). Schools are opening for in-person learning, and many prekindergarten children are returning to early care and education programs during a time when the number of COVID-19 cases caused by the highly transmissible B.1.617.2 (Delta) variant of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, is increasing. § Therefore, it is important to monitor indicators of severe COVID-19 among children and adolescents. This analysis uses Coronavirus Disease 2019-Associated Hospitalization Surveillance Network (COVID-NET) ¶ data to describe COVID-19-associated hospitalizations among U.S. children and adolescents aged 0-17 years.
During March 1, 2020-August 14, 2021, the cumulative incidence of COVID-19-associated hospitalizations was 49.7 per 100,000 children and adolescents. The weekly COVID-19-associated hospitalization rate per 100,000 children and adolescents during the week ending August 14, 2021 (1.4) was nearly five times the rate during the week ending June 26, 2021 (0.3); among children aged 0-4 years, the weekly hospitalization rate during the week ending August 14, 2021, was nearly 10 times that during the week ending June 26, 2021. ** During June 20-July 31, 2021, the hospitalization rate among unvaccinated adolescents (aged 12-17 years) was 10.1 times higher than that among fully vaccinated adolescents.
Among all hospitalized children and adolescents with COVID-19, the proportions with indicators of severe disease (such as intensive care unit [ICU] admission) after the Delta variant became predominant (June 20-July 31, 2021) were similar to those earlier in the pandemic (March 1, 2020-June 19, 2021). Implementation of preventive measures to reduce transmission and severe outcomes in children is critical, including vaccination of eligible persons, universal mask wearing in schools, recommended mask wearing by persons aged =2 years in other indoor public spaces and child care centers, †† and quarantining as recommended after exposure to persons with COVID-19. §§ .
Systemic Inflammation Is Associated With Neurologic Involvement in Pediatric Inflammatory Multisystem Syndrome Associated With SARS-CoV-2.
Objective: Pediatric inflammatory multisystem syndrome temporally associated with SARS-CoV-2 (PIMS-TS) is a severe immune-mediated disorder. We aim to report the neurologic features of children with PIMS-TS.
Methods: We identified children presenting to a large children's hospital with PIMS-TS from March to June 2020 and performed a retrospective medical note review, identifying clinical and investigative features alongside short-term outcome of children presenting with neurologic symptoms.
Results: Seventy-five patients with PIMS-TS were identified, 9 (12%) had neurologic involvement: altered conciseness (3), behavioral changes (3), focal neurology deficits (2), persistent headaches (2), hallucinations (2), excessive sleepiness (1), and new-onset focal seizures (1). Four patients had cranial images abnormalities. At 3-month follow-up, 1 child had died, 1 had hemiparesis, 3 had behavioral changes, and 4 completely recovered. Systemic inflammatory and prothrombotic markers were higher in patients with neurologic involvement (mean highest CRP 267 vs 202 mg/L, p = 0.05; procalcitonin 30.65 vs 13.11 µg/L, p = 0.04; fibrinogen 7.04 vs 6.17 g/L, p = 0.07; d-dimers 19.68 vs 7.35 mg/L, p = 0.005). Among patients with neurologic involvement, these markers were higher in those without full recovery at 3 months (ferritin 2284 vs 283 µg/L, p = 0.05; d-dimers 30.34 vs 6.37 mg/L, p = 0.04). Patients with and without neurologic involvement shared similar risk factors for PIMS-TS (Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic ethnicity 78% vs 70%, obese/overweight 56% vs 42%).
Conclusions: Broad neurologic features were found in 12% patients with PIMS-TS. By 3-month follow-up, half of these surviving children had recovered fully without neurologic impairment. Significantly higher systemic inflammatory markers were identified in children with neurologic involvement and in those who had not recovered fully.
And with all this it still should be the PARENT'S choice.
You're afraid? Vaccinate your kid.
Stay out of my decision for MY child.
And the Flu shot is not mandated. And I'm sure the numbers are similar for flu.
So why is the flu shot not mandated for school?
Any stats on that??
Why are you so hostile? You ask for studies then get all huffy when presented with them.
Stay out of my decision for MY child.
I never once mentioned your child and I don't recall ANYONE ever telling you that you HAVE TO vaccine your child. You are pretty clear about that. You don't have to mention it every 10 seconds.
You're afraid? Vaccinate your kid.
I'm not and I did.
You need to chill out. Seriously.
Aren't you the poster who started a thread the other day encouraging everyone to be kinder to each other?
I'm not being unkind. I'm not saying your responses are "b**chy" like you posted the other day on another thread.
I'm simply try to convey that it is obvious that you are extremely passionate about your belief in parental choice and vaccine hesitancy in children. How is constantly posting about it over and over on LIF going to change a thing? take your voice to the people who actually have the power to enact a change. Go get'em girl!
And windy....if you don't have something constructive to add, zip it.
This WAS you, just a few days ago, right?
Seriously people. Enough already.
The nastiness.
The name-calling.
It's enough.
If you can't respond to a post without calling someone a b*tch, move on.
If you can't respond without insulting someone else's views, move on.
If you can't respond without being nasty, condescending or just plain rude, move on.
I know I probably have been guilty of all of the above in the past but recognize that these types of responses accomplish nothing.
These boards have always had drama but lately it's gone beyond that into a really dark place.
Enough already. Please.
Where was the OP any of those things? OH, WAIT.. she was b/c she went against your opinions. Super Windy to the rescue.
Huh? Proofreading needs to be done to this post.
I wasn’t rude to Nell. We debated.
You I was a teeeeeeeeny bit rude. My bad.
However, your snarky response to the above poster just illustrates the general milieu of the boards and it’s just not necessary.
You told her she was hostile and to chill out. That’s not rude?
MXOXOM, don’t do it. Don’t give windy/hazel what she wants. She’s baiting you into a confrontation that will go on for pages. You weren’t rude, maybe except for telling her to zip it. But most posters can overlook that.
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NervousNell
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Posted by ali120206
Listen - the big issue is here...
Those who don't want to vaccinate their children against Covid aren't mandating that those who want to can't vaccinate.
If my DH didn't get really sick after being vaccinated (almost ended up calling himself an ambulance in the middle of the night) we'd be possibly more open to vaccinating our children.
I just don't understand why it should be mandated that kids get a vaccine for something that they can still get anyway for an illness that 99% of them recover from quickly. Most kids I know who have had it were back to normal within 24 hours (and the worst part of the whole thing was having to complete a quarantine).
If it would be guaranteed to end the pandemic than yes - mandates would make some sense but... especially when everything is still evolving, it's hard for many to justify a mandate.
All I want is an answer to this.
If anyone can please answer this I'd be very happy to hear that answer and have a civil discussion.
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
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I am all for following the science etc. but I don't think at the current time the science really supports this. Less than a year into vaccines we now know that vaccinated still can get sick and pass the virus on to others. If the point of the vaccine is to lessen serious cases and reduce hospitalizations and deaths than why is it necessary to give to the population of children who are least likely to get sick or die from the virus in the first place.
I'm disappointed that this is being pushed so quickly and seemingly because of an agenda that doesn't follow the science.
Exactly. This absolutely does not follow science at all.
On point, exactly
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Posted by Raging2020
Ugh these responses have me researching a move.
I have nothing against the current school vaccine mandates. As they have been around for a while and actually prevent sickness. This one I’m not ready to give my kids.
 
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I definitely see this happening in NY. They are already mandating vaccines for adults, or lose your job. I got it myself but am nervous to give it to my kids- the reports of myocarditis worry me.
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by ali120206
Listen - the big issue is here...
Those who don't want to vaccinate their children against Covid aren't mandating that those who want to can't vaccinate.
If my DH didn't get really sick after being vaccinated (almost ended up calling himself an ambulance in the middle of the night) we'd be possibly more open to vaccinating our children.
I just don't understand why it should be mandated that kids get a vaccine for something that they can still get anyway for an illness that 99% of them recover from quickly. Most kids I know who have had it were back to normal within 24 hours (and the worst part of the whole thing was having to complete a quarantine).
If it would be guaranteed to end the pandemic than yes - mandates would make some sense but... especially when everything is still evolving, it's hard for many to justify a mandate.
All I want is an answer to this.
If anyone can please answer this I'd be very happy to hear that answer and have a civil discussion.
I suspect it is because the government isn’t thinking about this on an individual case basis. They need to consider the fact that the higher the vaccination rate, the lower the number of cases. Yes, there will be breakthrough cases. Yes, some people felt sick after getting the vaccine. But the government’s job is to consider the global impact of the virus. And science IS showing that areas with higher vaccination rates have fewer cases over all.
Whether that’s right or wrong isn’t for me to say, but no one thinks COVID is going anywhere. The goal is to reduce the risk as much as possible and right now, the best way to do that appears to be vaccination.
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by ali120206
Listen - the big issue is here...
Those who don't want to vaccinate their children against Covid aren't mandating that those who want to can't vaccinate.
If my DH didn't get really sick after being vaccinated (almost ended up calling himself an ambulance in the middle of the night) we'd be possibly more open to vaccinating our children.
I just don't understand why it should be mandated that kids get a vaccine for something that they can still get anyway for an illness that 99% of them recover from quickly. Most kids I know who have had it were back to normal within 24 hours (and the worst part of the whole thing was having to complete a quarantine).
If it would be guaranteed to end the pandemic than yes - mandates would make some sense but... especially when everything is still evolving, it's hard for many to justify a mandate.
All I want is an answer to this.
If anyone can please answer this I'd be very happy to hear that answer and have a civil discussion.
I suspect it is because the government isn’t thinking about this on an individual case basis. They need to consider the fact that the higher the vaccination rate, the lower the number of cases. Yes, there will be breakthrough cases. Yes, some people felt sick after getting the vaccine. But the government’s job is to consider the global impact of the virus. And science IS showing that areas with higher vaccination rates have fewer cases over all.
Whether that’s right or wrong isn’t for me to say, but no one thinks COVID is going anywhere. The goal is to reduce the risk as much as possible and right now, the best way to do that appears to be vaccination.
That makes sense and I do agree in areas that have higher vaccination rates, overall cases are lower. I see that in my own county.
I think saying it more simply like you did above might get more traction than the way they are using scare tactics.
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Posted by lpg21
I definitely see this happening in NY. They are already mandating vaccines for adults, or lose your job. I got it myself but am nervous to give it to my kids- the reports of myocarditis worry me.
It should worry every parent. They have no idea how heart damage will effect these children decades down the line. Hearts need to last a lifetime. And it's not as "light" as they make it out to be. These children have to be followed for months, if not years, and some may need to stay on medications lifelong.
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California to require Covid vaccine for all students
I don't think it should be forced for anyone at this point. My question is who is making money off thi SAS 9f the vaccine is free?
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Posted by Mrs213
I don't think it should be forced for anyone at this point. My question is who is making money off thi SAS 9f the vaccine is free?
Pharmaceutical companies don't work for free.
They didn't create these vaccines out of the kindness of their hearts.
Someone is paying Pfizer for these vaccines.
I would assume the government?
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Mrs213
I don't think it should be forced for anyone at this point. My question is who is making money off thi SAS 9f the vaccine is free?
Pharmaceutical companies don't work for free.
They didn't create these vaccines out of the kindness of their hearts.
Someone is paying Pfizer for these vaccines.
I would assume the government?
Yes - the government and our health insurance companies are paying for the vaccines - like they do for the flu vaccine. And most other vaccines I guess since I've never been charged for them other than an office copay.
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Posted by ali120206
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Mrs213
I don't think it should be forced for anyone at this point. My question is who is making money off thi SAS 9f the vaccine is free?
Pharmaceutical companies don't work for free.
They didn't create these vaccines out of the kindness of their hearts.
Someone is paying Pfizer for these vaccines.
I would assume the government?
Yes - the government and our health insurance companies are paying for the vaccines - like they do for the flu vaccine. And most other vaccines I guess since I've never been charged for them other than an office copay.
Pfizer was a customer of mine years ago at an old job actually. Trust me when I tell you, they make a SHIT TON of money. All of them do.
It's actually criminal what they charge for life saving drugs.
While their executives get richer and richer.
It's disgusting and a huge part of the healthcare problem in America
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by ali120206
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Mrs213
I don't think it should be forced for anyone at this point. My question is who is making money off thi SAS 9f the vaccine is free?
Pharmaceutical companies don't work for free.
They didn't create these vaccines out of the kindness of their hearts.
Someone is paying Pfizer for these vaccines.
I would assume the government?
Yes - the government and our health insurance companies are paying for the vaccines - like they do for the flu vaccine. And most other vaccines I guess since I've never been charged for them other than an office copay.
Pfizer was a customer of mine years ago at an old job actually. Trust me when I tell you, they make a SHIT TON of money. All of them do.
It's actually criminal what they charge for life saving drugs.
While their executives get richer and richer.
It's disgusting and a huge part of the healthcare problem in America
Oh - I know they do. This is one of the major points of the anti-vaxxers - the relationship between the government and big Pharma.
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Posted by LuckyStar
I suspect it is because the government isn’t thinking about this on an individual case basis. They need to consider the fact that the higher the vaccination rate, the lower the number of cases. Yes, there will be breakthrough cases. Yes, some people felt sick after getting the vaccine. But the government’s job is to consider the global impact of the virus. And science IS showing that areas with higher vaccination rates have fewer cases over all.
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I've heard people mention this "fact", is it true?
"Israel and Singapore have very high vaccination rates, but yet they also have very high covid rates"
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Posted by newlywedT
Posted by LuckyStar
I suspect it is because the government isn’t thinking about this on an individual case basis. They need to consider the fact that the higher the vaccination rate, the lower the number of cases. Yes, there will be breakthrough cases. Yes, some people felt sick after getting the vaccine. But the government’s job is to consider the global impact of the virus. And science IS showing that areas with higher vaccination rates have fewer cases over all.
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I've heard people mention this "fact", is it true?
"Israel and Singapore have very high vaccination rates, but yet they also have very high covid rates"
It is true. Israel is actually all over the news.
They now require 3 shots to be considered fully vaccinated.
And are working on a 4th
Something isn't working
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https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-middle-east-health-jerusalem-israel-25ec5e9141c72080876bfe4f481bf50f
But then you go to the chart and the numbers are descending very fast in less than a month.
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Posted by newlywedT
Posted by LuckyStar
I suspect it is because the government isn’t thinking about this on an individual case basis. They need to consider the fact that the higher the vaccination rate, the lower the number of cases. Yes, there will be breakthrough cases. Yes, some people felt sick after getting the vaccine. But the government’s job is to consider the global impact of the virus. And science IS showing that areas with higher vaccination rates have fewer cases over all.
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I've heard people mention this "fact", is it true?
"Israel and Singapore have very high vaccination rates, but yet they also have very high covid rates"
It is in the US. Cases are declining and vaccination rates are rising. It’s also not just a matter of cases- but also severity of illness and deaths.
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
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If it would fly in NY ??? Ummm yes it would. We already have vaccine mandates. It should be no surprise if it passes here.
The flu shot was never mandated for school in NY.
And the flu is just if not more dangerous to kids than Covid.
So makes you wonder why....
They are trying to pass the flu shot but it hasn’t. But for this one since it’s mandated already in other scenarios I won’t really wonder why this one will be mandated.
I see both sides to mandates but as I always say it should be up to the parent because if I vaccinating my kids then why do I need to worry about unvaccinated kids??!!
(But at the same time there are kids that legitimately can’t get it for medical reasons so what about those kids??? Which is one of the reasons why I see both sides of the argument)
So that argument (kids who can't be vaccinated due to medical issues) would hold water IF this vaccine prevented transmission
But it doesn't.
So the whole room can be vaccinated and that one kid who can't be can still catch it.
So that argument is out the window with this particular vaccine.
It does hold water for other vaccines though
Fair enough and I meant my statement to be more general mandates on all vaccines not just this one.
But it is a good point which maybe is why the flu one hasn’t been mandated yet??!
Well considering certain vaccines like the MMR shed, kids with medical exemptions can still get a virus from those kids that had just been vaccinated and are shedding. So technically that argument doesn’t hold water with those type of vaccines either. But if kids with medical exemptions were a true concern for schools, then kids that had just been vaccinated (with live viruses) should stay home for a few days to make sure they don’t infect kids with medical exemptions but we all know schools don’t do that. Interestingly enough up to 2019, close to 27,000 unvaccinated kids went to schools with their vaccinated peers and outbreaks were never really a problem. Even with the minuscule possibility that there could have been a spread, all unvaccinated kids were supposed to stay home til the problem was resolved even if the unvaccinated children were not sick.
Regarding to the flu vaccine mandates (along with the HPV-there were bills for both vaccines at the same time), it didn’t pass as law because of covid and voting couldn’t resume. But have no doubt those bills will be reintroduced again soon enough and in a state like NY, they will certainly pass if there’s no push back from the people.
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by blu6385
Posted by NervousNell
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Posted by blu6385
If it would fly in NY ??? Ummm yes it would. We already have vaccine mandates. It should be no surprise if it passes here.
The flu shot was never mandated for school in NY.
And the flu is just if not more dangerous to kids than Covid.
So makes you wonder why....
They are trying to pass the flu shot but it hasn’t. But for this one since it’s mandated already in other scenarios I won’t really wonder why this one will be mandated.
I see both sides to mandates but as I always say it should be up to the parent because if I vaccinating my kids then why do I need to worry about unvaccinated kids??!!
(But at the same time there are kids that legitimately can’t get it for medical reasons so what about those kids??? Which is one of the reasons why I see both sides of the argument)
So that argument (kids who can't be vaccinated due to medical issues) would hold water IF this vaccine prevented transmission
But it doesn't.
So the whole room can be vaccinated and that one kid who can't be can still catch it.
So that argument is out the window with this particular vaccine.
It does hold water for other vaccines though
Fair enough and I meant my statement to be more general mandates on all vaccines not just this one.
But it is a good point which maybe is why the flu one hasn’t been mandated yet??!
Well considering certain vaccines like the MMR shed, kids with medical exemptions can still get a virus from those kids that had just been vaccinated and are shedding. So technically that argument doesn’t hold water with those type of vaccines either. But if kids with medical exemptions were a true concern for schools, then kids that had just been vaccinated (with live viruses) should stay home for a few days to make sure they don’t infect kids with medical exemptions but we all know schools don’t do that. Interestingly enough up to 2019, close to 27,000 unvaccinated kids went to schools with their vaccinated peers and outbreaks were never really a problem. Even with the minuscule possibility that there could have been a spread, all unvaccinated kids were supposed to stay home til the problem was resolved even if the unvaccinated children were not sick.
Regarding to the flu vaccine mandates (along with the HPV-there were bills for both vaccines at the same time), it didn’t pass as law because of covid and voting couldn’t resume. But have no doubt those bills will be reintroduced again soon enough and in a state like NY, they will certainly pass if there’s no push back from the people.
I feel like they will pass even WITH push back.
Do they really care what we, the people, think?
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
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Posted by mxoxom2004
Good! It should be added to the schedule of mandatory vaccinations.
Why?
What data supports that for children?
Hospitalizations Associated with COVID-19 Among Children and Adolescents - COVID-NET, 14 States, March 1, 2020-August 14, 2021.
Although COVID-19-associated hospitalizations and deaths have occurred more frequently in adults, † COVID-19 can also lead to severe outcomes in children and adolescents (1,2). Schools are opening for in-person learning, and many prekindergarten children are returning to early care and education programs during a time when the number of COVID-19 cases caused by the highly transmissible B.1.617.2 (Delta) variant of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, is increasing. § Therefore, it is important to monitor indicators of severe COVID-19 among children and adolescents. This analysis uses Coronavirus Disease 2019-Associated Hospitalization Surveillance Network (COVID-NET) ¶ data to describe COVID-19-associated hospitalizations among U.S. children and adolescents aged 0-17 years.
During March 1, 2020-August 14, 2021, the cumulative incidence of COVID-19-associated hospitalizations was 49.7 per 100,000 children and adolescents. The weekly COVID-19-associated hospitalization rate per 100,000 children and adolescents during the week ending August 14, 2021 (1.4) was nearly five times the rate during the week ending June 26, 2021 (0.3); among children aged 0-4 years, the weekly hospitalization rate during the week ending August 14, 2021, was nearly 10 times that during the week ending June 26, 2021. ** During June 20-July 31, 2021, the hospitalization rate among unvaccinated adolescents (aged 12-17 years) was 10.1 times higher than that among fully vaccinated adolescents.
Among all hospitalized children and adolescents with COVID-19, the proportions with indicators of severe disease (such as intensive care unit [ICU] admission) after the Delta variant became predominant (June 20-July 31, 2021) were similar to those earlier in the pandemic (March 1, 2020-June 19, 2021). Implementation of preventive measures to reduce transmission and severe outcomes in children is critical, including vaccination of eligible persons, universal mask wearing in schools, recommended mask wearing by persons aged =2 years in other indoor public spaces and child care centers, †† and quarantining as recommended after exposure to persons with COVID-19. §§ .
Systemic Inflammation Is Associated With Neurologic Involvement in Pediatric Inflammatory Multisystem Syndrome Associated With SARS-CoV-2.
Objective: Pediatric inflammatory multisystem syndrome temporally associated with SARS-CoV-2 (PIMS-TS) is a severe immune-mediated disorder. We aim to report the neurologic features of children with PIMS-TS.
Methods: We identified children presenting to a large children's hospital with PIMS-TS from March to June 2020 and performed a retrospective medical note review, identifying clinical and investigative features alongside short-term outcome of children presenting with neurologic symptoms.
Results: Seventy-five patients with PIMS-TS were identified, 9 (12%) had neurologic involvement: altered conciseness (3), behavioral changes (3), focal neurology deficits (2), persistent headaches (2), hallucinations (2), excessive sleepiness (1), and new-onset focal seizures (1). Four patients had cranial images abnormalities. At 3-month follow-up, 1 child had died, 1 had hemiparesis, 3 had behavioral changes, and 4 completely recovered. Systemic inflammatory and prothrombotic markers were higher in patients with neurologic involvement (mean highest CRP 267 vs 202 mg/L, p = 0.05; procalcitonin 30.65 vs 13.11 µg/L, p = 0.04; fibrinogen 7.04 vs 6.17 g/L, p = 0.07; d-dimers 19.68 vs 7.35 mg/L, p = 0.005). Among patients with neurologic involvement, these markers were higher in those without full recovery at 3 months (ferritin 2284 vs 283 µg/L, p = 0.05; d-dimers 30.34 vs 6.37 mg/L, p = 0.04). Patients with and without neurologic involvement shared similar risk factors for PIMS-TS (Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic ethnicity 78% vs 70%, obese/overweight 56% vs 42%).
Conclusions: Broad neurologic features were found in 12% patients with PIMS-TS. By 3-month follow-up, half of these surviving children had recovered fully without neurologic impairment. Significantly higher systemic inflammatory markers were identified in children with neurologic involvement and in those who had not recovered fully.
And with all this it still should be the PARENT'S choice.
You're afraid? Vaccinate your kid.
Stay out of my decision for MY child.
And the Flu shot is not mandated. And I'm sure the numbers are similar for flu.
So why is the flu shot not mandated for school?
Any stats on that??
Why are you so hostile? You ask for studies then get all huffy when presented with them.
Stay out of my decision for MY child.
I never once mentioned your child and I don't recall ANYONE ever telling you that you HAVE TO vaccine your child. You are pretty clear about that. You don't have to mention it every 10 seconds.
You're afraid? Vaccinate your kid.
I'm not and I did.
You need to chill out. Seriously.
You did say you want the Covid vaccine to be mandated for schools.
So yes, in essence you did say I should be FORCED to vaccinate my child.
That's the issue lately- nobody can worry about themselves.
They have to push their opinions and their fears on everyone else.
Get your vaccine, vaccinate your child and stop pushing for mandates.
They have to push their opinions and their fears on everyone else.
What do you think you are doing everything you post about this subject? You are pushing your opinion and your fear of the vaccine.
You don't want the mandate, fine. Contact your representatives about your concerns. Attend a rally. Write an op-ed for the local newspaper. It will do a lot more for your cause then the insessant repetition of your views on parental choice and vaccine hesitancy on these boards to the same people over and over and over. We get it.
I'm doing all those things.
But thanks for the advice!
And I'm not pushing my fear of the vaccine on ANYONE.
Get the damn thing.
Give it to your kid.
Leave me and my child out of it.
By mandating it you are FORCING it on people.
And you clearly said you support this mandate.
And we get that you are 100% FOR mandates.
Maybe you should attend a rally for mandates.
Do something rather than coming on here pushing it over and over again
They don’t need to go to rallies to push mandates, the ones with billions in their packets are already doing it for them in better, more clever ways. Pharma lobbyists are very common in legislators’ offices. Lots of very expensive incentives are given behind closed doors.
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by blu6385
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by blu6385
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by blu6385
If it would fly in NY ??? Ummm yes it would. We already have vaccine mandates. It should be no surprise if it passes here.
The flu shot was never mandated for school in NY.
And the flu is just if not more dangerous to kids than Covid.
So makes you wonder why....
They are trying to pass the flu shot but it hasn’t. But for this one since it’s mandated already in other scenarios I won’t really wonder why this one will be mandated.
I see both sides to mandates but as I always say it should be up to the parent because if I vaccinating my kids then why do I need to worry about unvaccinated kids??!!
(But at the same time there are kids that legitimately can’t get it for medical reasons so what about those kids??? Which is one of the reasons why I see both sides of the argument)
So that argument (kids who can't be vaccinated due to medical issues) would hold water IF this vaccine prevented transmission
But it doesn't.
So the whole room can be vaccinated and that one kid who can't be can still catch it.
So that argument is out the window with this particular vaccine.
It does hold water for other vaccines though
Fair enough and I meant my statement to be more general mandates on all vaccines not just this one.
But it is a good point which maybe is why the flu one hasn’t been mandated yet??!
Well considering certain vaccines like the MMR shed, kids with medical exemptions can still get a virus from those kids that had just been vaccinated and are shedding. So technically that argument doesn’t hold water with those type of vaccines either. But if kids with medical exemptions were a true concern for schools, then kids that had just been vaccinated (with live viruses) should stay home for a few days to make sure they don’t infect kids with medical exemptions but we all know schools don’t do that. Interestingly enough up to 2019, close to 27,000 unvaccinated kids went to schools with their vaccinated peers and outbreaks were never really a problem. Even with the minuscule possibility that there could have been a spread, all unvaccinated kids were supposed to stay home til the problem was resolved even if the unvaccinated children were not sick.
Regarding to the flu vaccine mandates (along with the HPV-there were bills for both vaccines at the same time), it didn’t pass as law because of covid and voting couldn’t resume. But have no doubt those bills will be reintroduced again soon enough and in a state like NY, they will certainly pass if there’s no push back from the people.
I feel like they will pass even WITH push back.
Do they really care what we, the people, think?
Our best defense weapon is our vote. We have to learn to weed out the bad apples from the good ones. We need to be able to differentiate between legislators that love mandates and legislators that give personal/parental choice a priority. If the a$$hole is already in a position of power (he/she has a say on lawmaking), then reaching out to them constantly would be the next thing to do, gather parents to see them in person, u might get the runaround but being persistent is key, protest outside their offices might be necessary too, in Albany, in DC. They need to be made aware that there is a lot of pushback, if they don’t hear from the people, it’ll be much easier for them to pass these stupid bills. If a bill is on the table, go to them, most likely there will be protests gathered already, join them, there’s still a chance up til the governor signs the bill. NJ is perfect example of that. Soon after we lost our religious exemption, legislators in NJ tried to pass the same bill but thousands of people showed up. They were everywhere, on the streets, on the hallways, making their voices heard while these legislators were discussing whether they needed to pass this bill or not. The people succeeded and NJ couldn’t eliminate their religious exemptions. All because of the people. If they didn’t cause enough uproar, they’d have without a doubt passed that bill just like NY. That’s why I don’t doubt the people still has a say and we can all make a difference but numbers are important, awareness is essential, and all this division is not helping the cause. Provaxxers that are against mandates need to make themselves heard. Fortunately there are a lot of them but if they’re still in the closet and feel afraid of being judged or labeled, they won’t really help. My hope is that more people will unite under the same cause, forget about labels and differences, but remember that regardless of what our personal beliefs are (believes in vaccines or don’t) we can pretty much all agree that mandates is the ultimate outreach of the government on a decision that should only pertain to parents and no one else.
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