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Dee0522
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by muffaboo
I distinctly remember them handing the jury a bag with a heart sticker inside and it was on top of a piece of cardboard. I remember it b/c Baez fought to have it excluded due to the fact that the sticker had moved off of the cardboard. The judge allowed it and the jury passed it around. Was I imagining that? 
You're not imagining...they def showed the sticker
Thanks! I thought I was completely making that up for a second!
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by KellyNYC
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I am a few pages behind in this thread but just thought of a burning question. How could Scott Peterson have been convicted of murder and received the death sentence based mostly on circumstantial evidence? Seems like the CA trial had comparable evidence and we know how that turned out.
I know of course each trial is subject to the individual jury, but wondered if there was some wrinkle I missed.
I have been asking myself the same thing! I almost feel like there was less evidence against him, yet he got convicted. But it was the same situation, all based on his actions and that is what convicted him, yet here they feel it wasn't enough.
If Casey had been a man... HE would have been convicted.
The one thing I draw from this trial is the precedent it brings for future trials.
What it really says is that if you don't find physical evidence because the person was smart enough to have the body fully decompose, then circumstancial evidence don't count.
That only a witness, DNA, blood are what constitute evidence.
It's funny because I watch ID Investigation Discover all the time, and one father was questioned and under a lie detector because his teenage daughter was gone for 4 DAYS.
I think the jury got "confused" to follow the rules set by the judge. They got so scared to not doing it right that they did not fully understand "beyong a reasonable doubt". One of the juror said she did not know how Caylee died, where, etc... She looked so confused.
Yet they chose to believe that George was probably the one. Just based on "believing" the defence lawyer who brought no evidence.
I can see A LOT of perfect murders in the future. Just make sure you don't kill them involving them bleeding. Make sure it's near a Florida swamp.
I imagine a married man whose wife disappear, "kidnapped" by a former lover, does not report her missing, his parents question him and he admits her former lover took her over 1 month later. He goes partying, have a bella vita tattoo. Accuses his dad/mom of molesting him as a child, etc... They find her body months later. No DNA, no evidence. Claims his wife drowned in the pool. His dad found her. Found not guilty??? Really???
I agree with what you said about that juror. She seemed VERY confused to me during the short interview I saw. She also said if you don't know how, why where, how can you convict? But you absolutely can convict. There are convictions without bodies being found.
It probably has been discussed already, but there was a 6-6 vote to manslaughter. How did it go to 12-0 in such a short time? UNBELIEVABLE!
I agree with this. To ME, there was NO reasonable doubt with the CA case. Certainly no more than the SP case. But "reasonable doubt" comes down to personal interpretation as well. While I get that there are some unanswered questions, none so much that I have actual reasonable doubt that she did it and would probably have convicted her accordingly. But know knows...as a PP mentioned, the death penalty sentence might play with my mind. I think we have no way of knowing what goes on in deliberations, the dynamic between the jurors, power of peer pressure, etc.
But why didn't she ask questions? Why did it take only 10+ hours to give a verdict if she was THAT confused?
I feel some of the jurors were "bullied" or confused and easily swang over to the other juror's decisions.
MANY cases have gone to trial on circumstancial evidence only. This is NOT a precedent case on circumstancial evidence only.
Are we saying that circumstancial cases are no longer cases for criminal trials?
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by smdl
But why didn't she ask questions? Why did it take only 10+ hours to give a verdict if she was THAT confused?
I feel some of the jurors were "bullied" or confused and easily swang over to the other juror's decisions.
I definitely think there is a good possibility that jurors were swayed or bullied who might have otherwise been confused and not 100% confident in their ability to make a decision of this magnitude.
Unfortunately that probably happens all too often and is just part of the human dynamic. It's obviously an imperfect system, and most experts have acknowledged that. I don't know if that's comforting or scary!
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by Sunny10
I agree with what you said about that juror. She seemed VERY confused to me during the short interview I saw. She also said if you don't know how, why where, how can you convict? But you absolutely can convict. There are convictions without bodies being found.
It probably has been discussed already, but there was a 6-6 vote to manslaughter. How did it go to 12-0 in such a short time? UNBELIEVABLE!
I only want to comment on the part of this where you say there are convictions without bodies being found (and you are not alone in saying that - I just randomly grabbed your post) . . . to the best of my knowledge as of @ 5 years ago there was exactly ONE case in the entire United States where a conviction was gotten with NO body.
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by medic6809
That was what I ment. I know you don't decide the sentence, but it's 1st degree murder in a death row state. Weither you know the law or not you can assume this would and can happen. I understand the negativity for the jury, but just because I don;t know that and they may not have either does not make it a bad jury. If that were the case then only people with law degrees in that state should be jurors. I'm sorry if my comments pisssed people off, but as a "peer" that will have jury duty next week i'm doing the best I can and praying like hellll that I have a simple case or get dismissed.
You didn't read the rest of my posts on that same page, so this doesn't really apply to me
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by DancinBarefoot
I only want to comment on the part of this where you say there are convictions without bodies being found (and you are not alone in saying that - I just randomly grabbed your post) . . . to the best of my knowledge as of @ 5 years ago there was exactly ONE case in the entire United States where a conviction was gotten with NO body.
So it can happen
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
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Posted by Sunny10
I agree with what you said about that juror. She seemed VERY confused to me during the short interview I saw. She also said if you don't know how, why where, how can you convict? But you absolutely can convict. There are convictions without bodies being found.
It probably has been discussed already, but there was a 6-6 vote to manslaughter. How did it go to 12-0 in such a short time? UNBELIEVABLE!
I only want to comment on the part of this where you say there are convictions without bodies being found (and you are not alone in saying that - I just randomly grabbed your post) . . . to the best of my knowledge as of @ 5 years ago there was exactly ONE case in the entire United States where a conviction was gotten with NO body.
Yes, no body at all (not the case here!) are very rare for trial and convinctions.
There was a body here so we knew death had indeed happened.
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
to b honest I have not really been reading too much of the last couple of pages because needless to say the more i see and watch the more agitated I am becoming. I am so disgusted with all of this.
Opinions, with all the coverage everyone else must be agitated n disgusted too, does anyone think she will get assaulted or someone will try to right a wrong? do u think she will fall back to her old ways and wind up in jail again quickly on her own like some shows are saying?
its a hard pill to swallow that she could be sititng on a beach drinking margaritas wealthy from her appearances and books.
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DancinBarefoot
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by brownie
Posted by DancinBarefoot
I only want to comment on the part of this where you say there are convictions without bodies being found (and you are not alone in saying that - I just randomly grabbed your post) . . . to the best of my knowledge as of @ 5 years ago there was exactly ONE case in the entire United States where a conviction was gotten with NO body.
So it can happen
According to the FBI there were 13,636 homicides in 2009 ALONE. I didn't mean one conviction with no body in a year, I meant one conviction with no body EVER. The statistical probability of conviction where there is no body is so minute based on the total number of homicides as to render it nil.
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
I mean... this is just a bit OVER THE TOP and disturbing!
Threatening her? Yeah... that's nuts! Plain and simple! Those people are just as deranged as her.
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partyof6
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by smdl
I mean... this is just a bit OVER THE TOP and disturbing!
Threatening her? Yeah... that's nuts! Plain and simple! Those people are just as deranged as her.
exactly, but they are all alreadt getting death threats, how does everyone guess this plays out? i think shes going to wind up in jail pretty quickly or something will happen i dk. Part of me also thinks so maybe people r angered n there r nuts out there who even knows, i mean she can dye her hair n get whatever work done but I think she will screw up n her identity will b found out relatively quickly,
she already is in the midst of planning her damn book which is why she rejected her moms visit. She is not speaking to a soul until someone buys the rights to her book so they have the exclusive first interview. Someone is going to find this woman disturbing on all levels
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
She can write 50 books and screenplays for all I care. She will not get a dime if no one buys them and threatens to boycott whatever publisher that picks it up.
I don't wish harm on her but I sure hope she lives the rest of her pathetic "beautiful life" looking over her shoulder in fear that someone out there may want to punish her for her crimes. The idea that she won't be able to go clubbing without someone recognizing her and wanting to give her sh!t makes me secretly happy. May she always sleep with one eye open.
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
exactly....and funny because the first thing she will have to remove is her infamous tat now, everyone knows it.
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by medic6809
Posted by DancinBarefoot
Posted by brownie
Posted by medic6809
I could never live with myself if I sentenced somebody to death with no actual proof.
It's not the juror's job to decide the sentencing
Actually, if they had found her guilty of 1st degree murder, the next thing that would have happened is the penalty phase - and yes, the jurors would have decided whether or not to give her the death penalty.
That was what I ment. I know you don't decide the sentence, but it's 1st degree murder in a death row state. Weither you know the law or not you can assume this
would and can happen. I understand the negativity for the
jury, but just because I don;t know that and they may not
have either does not make it a bad jury. If that were the
case then only people with law degrees in that state
should be jurors. I'm sorry if my comments pisssed
people off, but as a "peer" that will have jury duty next
week i'm doing the best I can and praying like hellll that I
have a simple case or get dismissed.
Actually, it doesn't make a difference whether it is a death penalty case or not, the jury is NOT to consider sentencing/penalty during deliberations. The sentencing phase is a completely different stage. In fact, there are specific instructions to the jury telling them this based on the juror that spoke, she did not follow those instructions. In fact, Ashton, who was not criticizing the jury, just was interviewed and asked about this juror's statement, he said that the juror did not follow the law and it was "unfortunate".
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by mrsej
In fact, Ashton, who was not criticizing the jury, just was interviewed and asked about this juror's statement, he said that the juror did not follow the law and it was "unfortunate".
Is there any recourse based on this?
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
I watched another interview with this juror and she said if you can't say how she died, we can't convict. THAT IS NOT TRUE! You do not have to prove how someone died. Look at the Scott Peterson case. Nobody knows how. UNBELIEVABLE!
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by Sunny10
I watched another interview with this juror and she said if you can't say how she died, we can't convict. THAT IS NOT TRUE! You do not have to prove how someone died. Look at the Scott Peterson case. Nobody knows how. UNBELIEVABLE!
This coupled with the above comments about sentencing...I really think the jurors did not fully understand the law. And that's how this animal managed to get off of EVERY count other than the lying charges. Those were black and white to the jurors, those were easy to decide but the toughest ones they either misunderstood or dropped the ball on.
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by Goobster
Posted by mrsej
In fact, Ashton, who was not criticizing the jury, just was interviewed and asked about this juror's statement, he said that the juror did not follow the law and it was "unfortunate".
Is there any recourse based on this?
Unfortunately, the prosecutor has zero recourse. Nothing they can do about it.
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by mrsej
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Posted by mrsej
In fact, Ashton, who was not criticizing the jury, just was interviewed and asked about this juror's statement, he said that the juror did not follow the law and it was "unfortunate".
Is there any recourse based on this?
Unfortunately, the prosecutor has zero recourse. Nothing they can do about it. [/QUOTE
Yup she's right none :( I wish they would've hung if they were confused. Or at least ask some questions. They asked none!
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
I was shocked with the verdict and now hearing what some of the jurors are saying it is clear they did not believe a lot of the testimony and questioned some of the state's evidence. To say they didn't believe George and were annoyed at his stiff answering to defense questions left them wondering. I think that had a lot to do with the verdict as well. If I was a juror I would have voted guilty for murder 1 for these reasons and I don't need to know how, when and why about Caylee...
1. Caylee is dead
2. Casey was the last person with Caylee (I 100% believe in George saying so)
3. Casey performed the searches (Cyndi lied about doing them for one reason only and that was to save her daughter/create doubt to jurors. State confirmed she could not have done those searches.
4. Caylee's body was in Caseys trunk. I believe in all the testimony, k9s etc about that smell in the trunk. & Casey had access to that vehicle since June 15th.
5. Caylee's clothing were clothes that Casey dressed her in. Being an unfit, unresponsible mother I can see her putting her in clothes that didn't fit well (shorts being 24 mos). Cyndi did everything for that little girl.
6. Location on where the body was found.
7. Casey having access to all items found with the body.
8. Her happy attitude days, weeks following her daughters death.
I believe premeditaton comes with the deathly internet searches, the pieces of duct tabe attached to the skull.
Now, those thinking she had nothing to do with Caylees death being murder have to explain all above to me showing she had nothing to do with it or possibly being someone else or even an accident. I think a lot of us are looking at her differently because she is a young woman and those videos playing with caylee do make us wonder how she could even do something like that but the facts are the facts.
Jurors do not need to know how, when and why and they were not supposed to think about how she would have been punished. As far as I'm concerned they broke the rules and rushed to a decision.
btw how sick is this "timer 55" she created for passwords. If you do the mathing this is exactly 55 days from the day of her daughters death to her 3rd birthday. Who does this???? She is a NUT and should be in a mental hospital (would want death row but that's not happening) I can't believe she's walking free out there.
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
I am happy about Caylee's law being/or trying to be placed and not surprised defense attorny Cheney not being so positive about it.
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Thought some of you might be interested in this: Casey vs. Scott Peterson. Some Peterson jurors interviewed re: casey anthony case
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by adeline27
I was shocked with the verdict and now hearing what some of the jurors are saying it is clear they did not believe a lot of the testimony and questioned some of the state's evidence. To say they didn't believe George and were annoyed at his stiff answering to defense questions left them wondering. I think that had a lot to do with the verdict as well. If I was a juror I would have voted guilty for murder 1 for these reasons and I don't need to know how, when and why about Caylee...
1. Caylee is dead
2. Casey was the last person with Caylee (I 100% believe in George saying so)
3. Casey performed the searches (Cyndi lied about doing them for one reason only and that was to save her daughter/create doubt to jurors. State confirmed she could not have done those searches.
4. Caylee's body was in Caseys trunk. I believe in all the testimony, k9s etc about that smell in the trunk. & Casey had access to that vehicle since June 15th.
5. Caylee's clothing were clothes that Casey dressed her in. Being an unfit, unresponsible mother I can see her putting her in clothes that didn't fit well (shorts being 24 mos). Cyndi did everything for that little girl.
6. Location on where the body was found.
7. Casey having access to all items found with the body.
8. Her happy attitude days, weeks following her daughters death.
I believe premeditaton comes with the deathly internet searches, the pieces of duct tabe attached to the skull.
Now, those thinking she had nothing to do with Caylees death being murder have to explain all above to me showing she had nothing to do with it or possibly being someone else or even an accident. I think a lot of us are looking at her differently because she is a young woman and those videos playing with caylee do make us wonder how she could even do something like that but the facts are the facts.
Jurors do not need to know how, when and why and they were not supposed to think about how she would have been punished. As far as I'm concerned they broke the rules and rushed to a decision.
btw how sick is this "timer 55" she created for passwords. If you do the mathing this is exactly 55 days from the day of her daughters death to her 3rd birthday. Who does this???? She is a NUT and should be in a mental hospital (would want death row but that's not happening) I can't believe she's walking free out there.
I am on the same exact page as you!! thank you for posting this.
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by adeline27
I was shocked with the verdict and now hearing what some of the jurors are saying it is clear they did not believe a lot of the testimony and questioned some of the state's evidence. To say they didn't believe George and were annoyed at his stiff answering to defense questions left them wondering. I think that had a lot to do with the verdict as well. If I was a juror I would have voted guilty for murder 1 for these reasons and I don't need to know how, when and why about Caylee...
1. Caylee is dead
2. Casey was the last person with Caylee (I 100% believe in George saying so)
3. Casey performed the searches (Cyndi lied about doing them for one reason only and that was to save her daughter/create doubt to jurors. State confirmed she could not have done those searches.
4. Caylee's body was in Caseys trunk. I believe in all the testimony, k9s etc about that smell in the trunk. & Casey had access to that vehicle since June 15th.
5. Caylee's clothing were clothes that Casey dressed her in. Being an unfit, unresponsible mother I can see her putting her in clothes that didn't fit well (shorts being 24 mos). Cyndi did everything for that little girl.
6. Location on where the body was found.
7. Casey having access to all items found with the body.
8. Her happy attitude days, weeks following her daughters death.
I believe premeditaton comes with the deathly internet searches, the pieces of duct tabe attached to the skull.
Now, those thinking she had nothing to do with Caylees death being murder have to explain all above to me showing she had nothing to do with it or possibly being someone else or even an accident. I think a lot of us are looking at her differently because she is a young woman and those videos playing with caylee do make us wonder how she could even do something like that but the facts are the facts.
Jurors do not need to know how, when and why and they were not supposed to think about how she would have been punished. As far as I'm concerned they broke the rules and rushed to a decision.
btw how sick is this "timer 55" she created for passwords. If you do the mathing this is exactly 55 days from the day of her daughters death to her 3rd birthday. Who does this???? She is a NUT and should be in a mental hospital (would want death row but that's not happening) I can't believe she's walking free out there.
ITA, well said. Awful, they did an AWFUL job IMO and they really have to live with the fact that they set a killer free. Awful.
And what is this with timer 55? I have not heard of this.
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Was any theory mentioned or was it brought up at trial WHERE Caylee was all those times that she told people she was ( before she died) at the Nanny's or with her parents and wasnt?
I mean wasnt something going on with this kid before she died?
I do recall there being times when she was known to be alive that Casey was without her and the grandparents didnt have her. Where the hell was she?
When they talk about how 'zanny' might have mean xanax etc. Where do these people suppose Caylee was if Casey drugged her?
And I was just reading on the timer55 thing and someone mentioned how the two houses closest to where Caylee was found ( total consipracy theory of course) but that their property lines form a triangle that points to where Caylee was found and the one house is owned by a Zenaida and the other house 's occupants last name is gonzales. It is kinda weird if you think about it. TOO coincidental maybe?
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