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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
I've really been trying to back away from the whole CA thing b/c honestly, I can't do it anymore. It's so frustrating and quite frankly, it makes me sick. But I will say this...
I don't understand how evidence of a decomposing body in HER trunk (as testified by "expert" witnesses) and Caylee's hair in HER trunk (which also had evidence that it was from a decomposing corpse) is not substantial evidence...not to mention ALL of the other things already mentioned (i.e. duct tape, her lies, Internet searches, etc., etc. etc.). I do understand REASONABLE doubt but to me, there is NO WAY I would vote for Not Guilty if I was in those deliberations. I would hang that jury before ever acquitting her on ALL counts that deal with her daughter's death (murder 1, manslaughter, child abuse). I can understand (even though I personally disagree) how they didn't go with murder 1, but really, NOTHING else besides lying?! She wouldn't have been put to death with the other charges...I believe they said if she was guilty of the child abuse charge, it was a max of 15 years...STILL not enough IMO but it's SOMETHING.
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
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I just don't get it. There was a little girl missing. Her mother was out partying while she was missing. Her mother lied about what happened to her. People say she was a "good mother." Good mothers do NOT go out partying if they can't find their daughter or if their daughter had an accident. That is all the evidence I need to see or hear to make up my mind on her guilt. I don't need to read a law book, their is no doubt it my mind. Her lying afterward sealed it for me.
I really think people are looking way too into this. In my mind, it is clear, Caylee was killed by Casey Anthony. Caylee had duct tape on her mouth and nose. We know HOW she died and we know WHO did it. Case closed.
the simple fact is that Caylee was never missing...
....according to her lawyer in opening statements....which isn't testimony or evidence....which isn't supposed to be used to come to a verdict during deliberations.....
Not just according to her lawyer - but the prosecution's theory was that Casey killed Caylee on the last day she was seen alive (or thereabouts) and therefore the 31 days she was out partying doesn't=missing (and the jury voted that way b/c they convicted her of lying to the cops).
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by hazeleyes33
But only 2 jurors have spoken and only one is thinking of profiting (unless I missed something in the last 2 days).
One was paid, the other got a trip to WDW from ABC I thought.
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
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I could never live with myself if I sentenced somebody to death with no actual proof.
It's not the juror's job to decide the sentencing
Actually, if they had found her guilty of 1st degree murder, the next thing that would have happened is the penalty phase - and yes, the jurors would have decided whether or not to give her the death penalty.
Right, but from their comments, it sounded like they said if they found her guilty, she would get the death penalty...which they did not have to recommend...
and plus, Judge Perry could or would make the final decision (correct me if I'm mistaken about this)
That was the thing about the death penalty in Florida and the possible mistrial issue that came out during the last weeks of testimony. Under Florida law (as I've been reading) the jury makes a recommendation, and then the judge makes a decision. HOWEVER, a court in Florida just ruled that is unconstitutional, and that a jury has to decide not just recommend. So, what would have happened in this case with sentancing if she had been found guilty is completely unknown.
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by Aries14
[ BUt you cant have absoulty no 100% proof of at least one or two major aspects of a crime and expect a conviction.
You can not say FOR SURE what just happened.
You don't need to know 100%...its not a shadow of a doubt, beyond a REASONABLE doubt. What is reasonable differs with everyone...I am surprised that all of them had reasonable doubt...I just hope they understood the law b/c their statements don't make it sound like they did
I'm pretty sure #3 said something to the effect of, we can't give someone the death penalty when we didn't know what happened...the DP wasn't the only choice
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
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I could never live with myself if I sentenced somebody to death with no actual proof.
It's not the juror's job to decide the sentencing
Actually, if they had found her guilty of 1st degree murder, the next thing that would have happened is the penalty phase - and yes, the jurors would have decided whether or not to give her the death penalty.
Right, but from their comments, it sounded like they said if they found her guilty, she would get the death penalty...which they did not have to recommend...
and plus, Judge Perry could or would make the final decision (correct me if I'm mistaken about this)
That was the thing about the death penalty in Florida and the possible mistrial issue that came out during the last weeks of testimony. Under Florida law (as I've been reading) the jury makes a recommendation, and then the judge makes a decision. HOWEVER, a court in Florida just ruled that is unconstitutional, and that a jury has to decide not just recommend. So, what would have happened in this case with sentancing if she had been found guilty is completely unknown.
you got it right here..
and that is why I truly believe they couldn't find her guilty...
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
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Posted by medic6809
I could never live with myself if I sentenced somebody to death with no actual proof.
It's not the juror's job to decide the sentencing
Actually, if they had found her guilty of 1st degree murder, the next thing that would have happened is the penalty phase - and yes, the jurors would have decided whether or not to give her the death penalty.
Right, but from their comments, it sounded like they said if they found her guilty, she would get the death penalty...which they did not have to recommend...
and plus, Judge Perry could or would make the final decision (correct me if I'm mistaken about this)
That was the thing about the death penalty in Florida and the possible mistrial issue that came out during the last weeks of testimony. Under Florida law (as I've been reading) the jury makes a recommendation, and then the judge makes a decision. HOWEVER, a court in Florida just ruled that is unconstitutional, and that a jury has to decide not just recommend. So, what would have happened in this case with sentancing if she had been found guilty is completely unknown.
Right, from what I read it was a court in Miami where that happened...but Judge Perry didn't have to decide it was unconstitutional...he was still looking over that case
ETA: And that is why (at least part of why) the state failed...the rest *I* think was the jury misunderstanding that you don't need a 'smoking gun'
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
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But only 2 jurors have spoken and only one is thinking of profiting (unless I missed something in the last 2 days).
One was paid, the other got a trip to WDW from ABC I thought.
Which one was paid? The woman? Jennifer Ford?
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by hazeleyes33
Which one was paid? The woman? Jennifer Ford?
A juror in the Casey Anthony case has broken her silence on acquitting the mother of murdering her two-year-old, speaking to the ABC after it treated her and four other jurors to a trip to Disney World.
Jennifer Ford was Juror #3.
eta: Juror #6 (I think) hasn't been paid yet but will only talk for "the right price," which they said to be high 5 figures 
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by muffaboo
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Which one was paid? The woman? Jennifer Ford?
A juror in the Casey Anthony case has broken her silence on acquitting the mother of murdering her two-year-old, speaking to the ABC after it treated her and four other jurors to a trip to Disney World.
Jennifer Ford was Juror #3.
eta: Juror #6 (I think) hasn't been paid yet but will only talk for "the right price," which they said to be high 5 figures
Oh, ok. I thought only 2 had spoken, Jennifer Ford and #6 we got a vacation. Didn't know about anyone else getting a vacation.
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by muffaboo
A juror in the Casey Anthony case has broken her silence on acquitting the mother of murdering her two-year-old, speaking to the ABC after it treated her and four other jurors to a trip to Disney World.
Jennifer Ford was Juror #3.
eta: Juror #6 (I think) hasn't been paid yet but will only talk for "the right price," which they said to be high 5 figures
I think there should be a law from this...the temptation of going 'public' later for money shouldn't have any possibility of swaying jurors' opinions...we will never know for sure if it did, but there should be some safeguard for this
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
I will say that I agree with the people who say that jurors should not be allowed to profit from being on a high profile case. If you want to speak about it, then speak about it. If you don't, then don't. But you shouldn't be compensated for it if you do want to talk.
With that being said, I also don't believe that because some of the jurors are asking to get paid for interviews or getting vacations automatically means that there was misconduct on their part. I think they are monopolizing on the moment.
But maybe that's because I would like to have hope for humanity.
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by DancinBarefoot
In my opinion the State of Florida made a tactical mistake by going after her for 1st degree murder and the death penalty. If the top charge had been 2nd degree murder the entire trial strategy would have been different. But because they wanted that 1st degree conviction they had to focus all their attention on their theory of the case (that CA intentionally caused the death of her child by overdosing her on chloroform), instead of a more plausible theory (that she accidentally killed her). I think if they went with felony murder as their theory of the case they would have presented more evidence of potential abuse of Caylee at the hands of her Casey.
The prosecution did speak about felony murder and went into depth about it in closing statements.
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by brownie
I think there should be a law from this...the temptation of going 'public' later for money shouldn't have any possibility of swaying jurors' opinions...we will never know for sure if it did, but there should be some safeguard for this
ITA. It's supposed to be your "civic duty" to serve on a jury...not a way to make a quick buck/get free vacations.
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by muffaboo
Posted by DancinBarefoot
In my opinion the State of Florida made a tactical mistake by going after her for 1st degree murder and the death penalty. If the top charge had been 2nd degree murder the entire trial strategy would have been different. But because they wanted that 1st degree conviction they had to focus all their attention on their theory of the case (that CA intentionally caused the death of her child by overdosing her on chloroform), instead of a more plausible theory (that she accidentally killed her). I think if they went with felony murder as their theory of the case they would have presented more evidence of potential abuse of Caylee at the hands of her Casey.
The prosecution did speak about felony murder and went into depth about it in closing statements.
Yep, that is true!
They explained very carefully...premeditated OR felony murder falls under murder 1...and they explained that the accidental killing of her with chloroform would be felony murder (which falls under murder 1 as stated)
beyond that, they had manslaughter as a charge too
then they had aggravated manslaughter
they didn't have ONLY premeditation on the table
panda's comments about having faith in humanity that the jurors weren't swayed at all...*I* don't think its realistic, as evidenced here w/even trying to make money off of a case about a dead 2yr old...
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by Blazesyth
Where is the evidence that Casey put the duct tape on her?
They had me convinced when they found the heart sticker and sticker residue on the tape and then showed a picture of a sheet of heart stickers that were found by investgators in Casey's bedroom. Yes, her parents also live there but I doubt they knew about the stickers that were inside a shoebox with Casey's personal papers/letters.
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
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Where is the evidence that Casey put the duct tape on her?
They had me convinced when they found the heart sticker and sticker residue on the tape and then showed a picture of a sheet of heart stickers that were found by investgators in Casey's bedroom. Yes, her parents also live there but I doubt they knew about the stickers that were inside a shoebox with Casey's personal papers/letters.
They never showed the actual sticker.
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Posted by My2Girlz11
I just don't get it. There was a little girl missing. Her mother was out partying while she was missing. Her mother lied about what happened to her. People say she was a "good mother." Good mothers do NOT go out partying if they can't find their daughter or if their daughter had an accident. That is all the evidence I need to see or hear to make up my mind on her guilt. I don't need to read a law book, their is no doubt it my mind. Her lying afterward sealed it for me.
I really think people are looking way too into this. In my mind, it is clear, Caylee was killed by Casey Anthony. Caylee had duct tape on her mouth and nose. We know HOW she died and we know WHO did it. Case closed.
ITA ITA ITA
And add the searches on the net, her lying to her parents that Caylee could not come to the phone, her lying saying she had NO IDEA where Caylee was, her lying to the police. DEAR GOD if that isn't someone trying to cover up, who clearly did this, then I dont know how much more evidence people want. 
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
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Posted by Blazesyth
Where is the evidence that Casey put the duct tape on her?
They had me convinced when they found the heart sticker and sticker residue on the tape and then showed a picture of a sheet of heart stickers that were found by investgators in Casey's bedroom. Yes, her parents also live there but I doubt they knew about the stickers that were inside a shoebox with Casey's personal papers/letters.
The examiner messed up by not taking a picture of that though. Big time.
In addition, didn't they say that when they used to bury animals, they would put a heart sticker? Or am I imagining that at this point?
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by brownie
panda's comments about having faith in humanity that the jurors weren't swayed at all...*I* don't think its realistic, as evidenced here w/even trying to make money off of a case about a dead 2yr old...
Maybe that is what I NEED to believe in. I need to believe that people, jurors, will do the right thing according to the law. So because of that, I don't agree with them looking for money or compensation, but at the same time I don't think it means they did anything wrong in the case.
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
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Posted by Blazesyth
Where is the evidence that Casey put the duct tape on her?
They had me convinced when they found the heart sticker and sticker residue on the tape and then showed a picture of a sheet of heart stickers that were found by investgators in Casey's bedroom. Yes, her parents also live there but I doubt they knew about the stickers that were inside a shoebox with Casey's personal papers/letters.
They never showed the actual sticker.
I distinctly remember them handing the jury a bag with a heart sticker inside and it was on top of a piece of cardboard. I remember it b/c Baez fought to have it excluded due to the fact that the sticker had moved off of the cardboard. The judge allowed it and the jury passed it around. Was I imagining that? 
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
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Posted by Blazesyth
Where is the evidence that Casey put the duct tape on her?
They had me convinced when they found the heart sticker and sticker residue on the tape and then showed a picture of a sheet of heart stickers that were found by investgators in Casey's bedroom. Yes, her parents also live there but I doubt they knew about the stickers that were inside a shoebox with Casey's personal papers/letters.
They never showed the actual sticker.
I distinctly remember them handing the jury a bag with a heart sticker inside and it was on top of a piece of cardboard. I remember it b/c Baez fought to have it excluded due to the fact that the sticker had moved off of the cardboard. The judge allowed it and the jury passed it around. Was I imagining that?
You're not imagining...they def showed the sticker
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by jerseypanda
Maybe that is what I NEED to believe in. I need to believe that people, jurors, will do the right thing according to the law.
Right, but we know that people break the law everyday...
Having that law that disallows jurors from profiting off a case they're involved with would provide that safeguard
You're right, we don't know if these jurors did or did not act accordingly...I have less faith in humanity than you  and knowing that if there was a law that existed, we all wouldn't have to ever question that as a motive...KWIM? In this case, *I* don't know if it was or not...but I do think what some of them are doing is a disgrace. Like a pp said, its a civic duty, not a chance to big money. Personally in this case where a two year old was left to die or murdered, I think its in very bad taste to make $ off of it. This is in addition to what I stated above.
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Re: Casey Anthony trial 1/2 hour n counting.
Posted by brownie
Posted by jerseypanda
Maybe that is what I NEED to believe in. I need to believe that people, jurors, will do the right thing according to the law.
Right, but we know that people break the law everyday...
Having that law that disallows jurors from profiting off a case they're involved with would provide that safeguard
You're right, we don't know if these jurors did or did not act accordingly...I have less faith in humanity than you and knowing that if there was a law that existed, we all wouldn't have to ever question that as a motive...KWIM? In this case, *I* don't know if it was or not...but I do think what some of them are doing is a disgrace. Like a pp said, its a civic duty, not a chance to big money. Personally in this case where a two year old was left to die or murdered, I think its in very bad taste to make $ off of it. This is in addition to what I stated above.
This is one point I don't disagree with you on! I do believe there should be a law in place that says you cannot profit from speaking out after being on a jury. I also agree that it is in very bad taste what some of them are doing.
I guess if I had the choice to believe that they did use money as a reason to vote not guilty or not.... I'm going to go with the assumption that they didn't... nobody will ever really know for sure.
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