Re: CDC recommends masking up in some locations …

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by MrsWoods

Posted by KarenK122

I am literally mentally done with all of this. No one knows shit. There is "scientific" evidence about every single side and there are about 100 sides to this issue.

Why the F did we bother getting the vaccine for. If mandates are not going to lifted then there was no reason to do it. This virus is never going away. We will be in masks for the rest of our lives if they don't stop with the mandates. Everyone knew that the vaccine did not make you invincible from Covid. It would just lessen the effects of it. So why is this such a new revelation? Children are not dying from this virus any more than other virus. We do not know true long term effects because it hasn't been around long enough to track that. They do not need protection from it. Adults have the option to get the vaccination. If they do not, then that is not my problem. There needs to be an option and a choice for people. I just started watching the Handmaiden's Tale and maybe we should take a bit from the show and start wearing clothes color coded with our vaccination status. It's coming to that. The constant talking about it is making me insane.

I'm with you. I'm done. This quite frankly is Bull$sh!t

But, but, but...you aren't ALOWED to be done. No! The virus doesn't care if you are done! It will be around for a million years until end days and until then you will wear your mask like a good little soldier.
And getting vaccinated no longer means you can stop wearing a mask...because apparently things have changed.
Yes, so shut up and be a good citizen!
Get your vaccine.
It's not that it doesn't work. It's just that other people didn't get it so that's why it doesn't work
Don't you understand?
Protect the children!! They can't get vaccinated! Yet!
Look at how sick the children are. We must mask them at 2 years old! Hell, we should mask infants as they emerge from the womb. Especially if the mother was not vaccinated. Mask the babies!
You can't be done. Ever!!

Re: CDC recommends masking up in some locations …

Posted by Momma2015

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by MrsWoods

Posted by KarenK122

I am literally mentally done with all of this. No one knows shit. There is "scientific" evidence about every single side and there are about 100 sides to this issue.

Why the F did we bother getting the vaccine for. If mandates are not going to lifted then there was no reason to do it. This virus is never going away. We will be in masks for the rest of our lives if they don't stop with the mandates. Everyone knew that the vaccine did not make you invincible from Covid. It would just lessen the effects of it. So why is this such a new revelation? Children are not dying from this virus any more than other virus. We do not know true long term effects because it hasn't been around long enough to track that. They do not need protection from it. Adults have the option to get the vaccination. If they do not, then that is not my problem. There needs to be an option and a choice for people. I just started watching the Handmaiden's Tale and maybe we should take a bit from the show and start wearing clothes color coded with our vaccination status. It's coming to that. The constant talking about it is making me insane.

I'm with you. I'm done. This quite frankly is Bull$sh!t

But, but, but...you aren't ALOWED to be done. No! The virus doesn't care if you are done! It will be around for a million years until end days and until then you will wear your mask like a good little soldier.
And getting vaccinated no longer means you can stop wearing a mask...because apparently things have changed.
Yes, so shut up and be a good citizen!
Get your vaccine.
It's not that it doesn't work. It's just that other people didn't get it so that's why it doesn't work
Don't you understand?
Protect the children!! They can't get vaccinated! Yet!
Look at how sick the children are. We must mask them at 2 years old! Hell, we should mask infants as they emerge from the womb. Especially if the mother was not vaccinated. Mask the babies!
You can't be done. Ever!!

You know some people are very combative on here and don't play nice. I'm not one of them.

I don't appreciate the mockery.

You KNOW what I mean when I say that it doesn't matter how tired you are of dealing with this virus, it will continue on the same.

Re: CDC recommends masking up in some locations …

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by klingklang77

Posted by lululu

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by MrsWoods

Posted by KarenK122

I am literally mentally done with all of this. No one knows shit. There is "scientific" evidence about every single side and there are about 100 sides to this issue.

Why the F did we bother getting the vaccine for. If mandates are not going to lifted then there was no reason to do it. This virus is never going away. We will be in masks for the rest of our lives if they don't stop with the mandates. Everyone knew that the vaccine did not make you invincible from Covid. It would just lessen the effects of it. So why is this such a new revelation? Children are not dying from this virus any more than other virus. We do not know true long term effects because it hasn't been around long enough to track that. They do not need protection from it. Adults have the option to get the vaccination. If they do not, then that is not my problem. There needs to be an option and a choice for people. I just started watching the Handmaiden's Tale and maybe we should take a bit from the show and start wearing clothes color coded with our vaccination status. It's coming to that. The constant talking about it is making me insane.

I'm with you. I'm done. This quite frankly is Bull$sh!t

But, but, but...you aren't ALOWED to be done. No! The virus doesn't care if you are done! It will be around for a million years until end days and until then you will wear your mask like a good little soldier.
And getting vaccinated no longer means you can stop wearing a mask...because apparently things have changed.
Yes, so shut up and be a good citizen!
Get your vaccine.
It's not that it doesn't work. It's just that other people didn't get it so that's why it doesn't work
Don't you understand?
Protect the children!! They can't get vaccinated! Yet!
Look at how sick the children are. We must mask them at 2 years old! Hell, we should mask infants as they emerge from the womb. Especially if the mother was not vaccinated. Mask the babies!
You can't be done. Ever!!

This is perfect!

Also, going back to another post, I’m wondering how many of you have actually done academic studies. Because I did for my honors thesis in college and what I realized is that there are many, many ways to manipulate data to get the answer that you are looking for. And yes, research at higher levels need to be peer reviewed and adhere to higher standards but if you think that data isn’t being “massaged” to get the answers they are trying to achieve you are beyond naive. This whole “I believe in science” narrative is getting so old because it’s all a bunch of people who actually have no idea how science and research studies really work.

That’s a somewhat insulting thing to say, tbh. I think a lot of people on this board understand how research works.

Insulting? Do you get how big of a money making business this is right now with covid testing and vaccines?

Re: CDC recommends masking up in some locations …

Posted by chilltocam

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by klingklang77

Posted by lululu

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by MrsWoods

Posted by KarenK122

I am literally mentally done with all of this. No one knows shit. There is "scientific" evidence about every single side and there are about 100 sides to this issue.

Why the F did we bother getting the vaccine for. If mandates are not going to lifted then there was no reason to do it. This virus is never going away. We will be in masks for the rest of our lives if they don't stop with the mandates. Everyone knew that the vaccine did not make you invincible from Covid. It would just lessen the effects of it. So why is this such a new revelation? Children are not dying from this virus any more than other virus. We do not know true long term effects because it hasn't been around long enough to track that. They do not need protection from it. Adults have the option to get the vaccination. If they do not, then that is not my problem. There needs to be an option and a choice for people. I just started watching the Handmaiden's Tale and maybe we should take a bit from the show and start wearing clothes color coded with our vaccination status. It's coming to that. The constant talking about it is making me insane.

I'm with you. I'm done. This quite frankly is Bull$sh!t

But, but, but...you aren't ALOWED to be done. No! The virus doesn't care if you are done! It will be around for a million years until end days and until then you will wear your mask like a good little soldier.
And getting vaccinated no longer means you can stop wearing a mask...because apparently things have changed.
Yes, so shut up and be a good citizen!
Get your vaccine.
It's not that it doesn't work. It's just that other people didn't get it so that's why it doesn't work
Don't you understand?
Protect the children!! They can't get vaccinated! Yet!
Look at how sick the children are. We must mask them at 2 years old! Hell, we should mask infants as they emerge from the womb. Especially if the mother was not vaccinated. Mask the babies!
You can't be done. Ever!!

This is perfect!

Also, going back to another post, I’m wondering how many of you have actually done academic studies. Because I did for my honors thesis in college and what I realized is that there are many, many ways to manipulate data to get the answer that you are looking for. And yes, research at higher levels need to be peer reviewed and adhere to higher standards but if you think that data isn’t being “massaged” to get the answers they are trying to achieve you are beyond naive. This whole “I believe in science” narrative is getting so old because it’s all a bunch of people who actually have no idea how science and research studies really work.

That’s a somewhat insulting thing to say, tbh. I think a lot of people on this board understand how research works.

Insulting? Do you get how big of a money making business this is right now with covid testing and vaccines?

Whether you get the vaccine or not, if you're not thankful for its existence, there is something wrong with you.

And yes, to state that "people have no idea how research studies really work" is insulting to those who actually READ

Re: CDC recommends masking up in some locations …

so what about all the positive cases of immigrants at the border? There is no talk of this?

Re: CDC recommends masking up in some locations …

Re: CDC recommends masking up in some locations …

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by chilltocam

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by klingklang77

Posted by lululu

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by MrsWoods

Posted by KarenK122

I am literally mentally done with all of this. No one knows shit. There is "scientific" evidence about every single side and there are about 100 sides to this issue.

Why the F did we bother getting the vaccine for. If mandates are not going to lifted then there was no reason to do it. This virus is never going away. We will be in masks for the rest of our lives if they don't stop with the mandates. Everyone knew that the vaccine did not make you invincible from Covid. It would just lessen the effects of it. So why is this such a new revelation? Children are not dying from this virus any more than other virus. We do not know true long term effects because it hasn't been around long enough to track that. They do not need protection from it. Adults have the option to get the vaccination. If they do not, then that is not my problem. There needs to be an option and a choice for people. I just started watching the Handmaiden's Tale and maybe we should take a bit from the show and start wearing clothes color coded with our vaccination status. It's coming to that. The constant talking about it is making me insane.

I'm with you. I'm done. This quite frankly is Bull$sh!t

But, but, but...you aren't ALOWED to be done. No! The virus doesn't care if you are done! It will be around for a million years until end days and until then you will wear your mask like a good little soldier.
And getting vaccinated no longer means you can stop wearing a mask...because apparently things have changed.
Yes, so shut up and be a good citizen!
Get your vaccine.
It's not that it doesn't work. It's just that other people didn't get it so that's why it doesn't work
Don't you understand?
Protect the children!! They can't get vaccinated! Yet!
Look at how sick the children are. We must mask them at 2 years old! Hell, we should mask infants as they emerge from the womb. Especially if the mother was not vaccinated. Mask the babies!
You can't be done. Ever!!

This is perfect!

Also, going back to another post, I’m wondering how many of you have actually done academic studies. Because I did for my honors thesis in college and what I realized is that there are many, many ways to manipulate data to get the answer that you are looking for. And yes, research at higher levels need to be peer reviewed and adhere to higher standards but if you think that data isn’t being “massaged” to get the answers they are trying to achieve you are beyond naive. This whole “I believe in science” narrative is getting so old because it’s all a bunch of people who actually have no idea how science and research studies really work.

That’s a somewhat insulting thing to say, tbh. I think a lot of people on this board understand how research works.

Insulting? Do you get how big of a money making business this is right now with covid testing and vaccines?

Whether you get the vaccine or not, if you're not thankful for its existence, there is something wrong with you.

And yes, to state that "people have no idea how research studies really work" is insulting to those who actually READ

Thankful will have to be seen since there are so many breakthrough cases and hopefully it will work better than we all expect.

it is more than reading numbers. Anyone can put down numbers, just like they forgot to mention many numbers for the deaths at nursing homes.
Do you honestly trust everyone in life?

Re: CDC recommends masking up in some locations …

Posted by LuckyStar

Posted by lululu

Posted by klingklang77

Posted by lululu

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by MrsWoods

Posted by KarenK122

I am literally mentally done with all of this. No one knows shit. There is "scientific" evidence about every single side and there are about 100 sides to this issue.

Why the F did we bother getting the vaccine for. If mandates are not going to lifted then there was no reason to do it. This virus is never going away. We will be in masks for the rest of our lives if they don't stop with the mandates. Everyone knew that the vaccine did not make you invincible from Covid. It would just lessen the effects of it. So why is this such a new revelation? Children are not dying from this virus any more than other virus. We do not know true long term effects because it hasn't been around long enough to track that. They do not need protection from it. Adults have the option to get the vaccination. If they do not, then that is not my problem. There needs to be an option and a choice for people. I just started watching the Handmaiden's Tale and maybe we should take a bit from the show and start wearing clothes color coded with our vaccination status. It's coming to that. The constant talking about it is making me insane.

I'm with you. I'm done. This quite frankly is Bull$sh!t

But, but, but...you aren't ALOWED to be done. No! The virus doesn't care if you are done! It will be around for a million years until end days and until then you will wear your mask like a good little soldier.
And getting vaccinated no longer means you can stop wearing a mask...because apparently things have changed.
Yes, so shut up and be a good citizen!
Get your vaccine.
It's not that it doesn't work. It's just that other people didn't get it so that's why it doesn't work
Don't you understand?
Protect the children!! They can't get vaccinated! Yet!
Look at how sick the children are. We must mask them at 2 years old! Hell, we should mask infants as they emerge from the womb. Especially if the mother was not vaccinated. Mask the babies!
You can't be done. Ever!!

This is perfect!

Also, going back to another post, I’m wondering how many of you have actually done academic studies. Because I did for my honors thesis in college and what I realized is that there are many, many ways to manipulate data to get the answer that you are looking for. And yes, research at higher levels need to be peer reviewed and adhere to higher standards but if you think that data isn’t being “massaged” to get the answers they are trying to achieve you are beyond naive. This whole “I believe in science” narrative is getting so old because it’s all a bunch of people who actually have no idea how science and research studies really work.

That’s a somewhat insulting thing to say, tbh. I think a lot of people on this board understand how research works.

I think you give people too much credit. I think the biggest problem with people, in general and on this site, is that they also can’t fathom the possibility that they might be wrong, that they are in fact wrong, or that they might not know the entire story. And that is very dangerous. I am going to say that I think that there is probably a lot of misinformation about covid and vaccine efficacy and how would I possibly be able to figure out what is right and what is wrong? I can think things and I can form an opinion based on research I do but I can’t say I know anything for a fact. But people on here act like they know things 100% and if you don’t also believe what they believe you “don’t believe in science.” It would be better if everyone could say things with less conviction. For example you could say “I got the vaccine because it looks like it will be highly effective and I’m going to hope for the best.” But instead a lot of people on here say things like “the vaccine is highly effective and if you don’t understand that clearly you are an idiot that doesn’t believe in science.” I just think it’s better to have an open mind that this is an evolving topic about which we still know very little and touting science all the time and thinking you are an expert in how research is conducted when you’ve never actually done research at a higher level is insulting.

Have you done research at a higher level?

Re: CDC recommends masking up in some locations …

To follow up with my OP, we put a sign on the door stating the as per the CDC , masks are strongly recommended until further notice. Most are wearing their masks anyway. And those who enter without haven’t said anything Negative. Hope it stays that way!

Re: CDC recommends masking up in some locations …

Posted by chilltocam

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by chilltocam

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by klingklang77

Posted by lululu

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by MrsWoods

Posted by KarenK122

I am literally mentally done with all of this. No one knows shit. There is "scientific" evidence about every single side and there are about 100 sides to this issue.

Why the F did we bother getting the vaccine for. If mandates are not going to lifted then there was no reason to do it. This virus is never going away. We will be in masks for the rest of our lives if they don't stop with the mandates. Everyone knew that the vaccine did not make you invincible from Covid. It would just lessen the effects of it. So why is this such a new revelation? Children are not dying from this virus any more than other virus. We do not know true long term effects because it hasn't been around long enough to track that. They do not need protection from it. Adults have the option to get the vaccination. If they do not, then that is not my problem. There needs to be an option and a choice for people. I just started watching the Handmaiden's Tale and maybe we should take a bit from the show and start wearing clothes color coded with our vaccination status. It's coming to that. The constant talking about it is making me insane.

I'm with you. I'm done. This quite frankly is Bull$sh!t

But, but, but...you aren't ALOWED to be done. No! The virus doesn't care if you are done! It will be around for a million years until end days and until then you will wear your mask like a good little soldier.
And getting vaccinated no longer means you can stop wearing a mask...because apparently things have changed.
Yes, so shut up and be a good citizen!
Get your vaccine.
It's not that it doesn't work. It's just that other people didn't get it so that's why it doesn't work
Don't you understand?
Protect the children!! They can't get vaccinated! Yet!
Look at how sick the children are. We must mask them at 2 years old! Hell, we should mask infants as they emerge from the womb. Especially if the mother was not vaccinated. Mask the babies!
You can't be done. Ever!!

This is perfect!

Also, going back to another post, I’m wondering how many of you have actually done academic studies. Because I did for my honors thesis in college and what I realized is that there are many, many ways to manipulate data to get the answer that you are looking for. And yes, research at higher levels need to be peer reviewed and adhere to higher standards but if you think that data isn’t being “massaged” to get the answers they are trying to achieve you are beyond naive. This whole “I believe in science” narrative is getting so old because it’s all a bunch of people who actually have no idea how science and research studies really work.

That’s a somewhat insulting thing to say, tbh. I think a lot of people on this board understand how research works.

Insulting? Do you get how big of a money making business this is right now with covid testing and vaccines?

Whether you get the vaccine or not, if you're not thankful for its existence, there is something wrong with you.

And yes, to state that "people have no idea how research studies really work" is insulting to those who actually READ

Thankful will have to be seen since there are so many breakthrough cases and hopefully it will work better than we all expect.

it is more than reading numbers. Anyone can put down numbers, just like they forgot to mention many numbers for the deaths at nursing homes.
Do you honestly trust everyone in life?

Where did I say anything about just reading numbers? I said READ.

And if you think YOUR life right now is not significantly better due to the vaccine, as I said before, there is something wrong with you

Re: CDC recommends masking up in some locations …

Re: CDC recommends masking up in some locations …

Posted by lululu

Posted by chilltocam

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by chilltocam

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by klingklang77

Posted by lululu

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by MrsWoods

Posted by KarenK122

I am literally mentally done with all of this. No one knows shit. There is "scientific" evidence about every single side and there are about 100 sides to this issue.

Why the F did we bother getting the vaccine for. If mandates are not going to lifted then there was no reason to do it. This virus is never going away. We will be in masks for the rest of our lives if they don't stop with the mandates. Everyone knew that the vaccine did not make you invincible from Covid. It would just lessen the effects of it. So why is this such a new revelation? Children are not dying from this virus any more than other virus. We do not know true long term effects because it hasn't been around long enough to track that. They do not need protection from it. Adults have the option to get the vaccination. If they do not, then that is not my problem. There needs to be an option and a choice for people. I just started watching the Handmaiden's Tale and maybe we should take a bit from the show and start wearing clothes color coded with our vaccination status. It's coming to that. The constant talking about it is making me insane.

I'm with you. I'm done. This quite frankly is Bull$sh!t

But, but, but...you aren't ALOWED to be done. No! The virus doesn't care if you are done! It will be around for a million years until end days and until then you will wear your mask like a good little soldier.
And getting vaccinated no longer means you can stop wearing a mask...because apparently things have changed.
Yes, so shut up and be a good citizen!
Get your vaccine.
It's not that it doesn't work. It's just that other people didn't get it so that's why it doesn't work
Don't you understand?
Protect the children!! They can't get vaccinated! Yet!
Look at how sick the children are. We must mask them at 2 years old! Hell, we should mask infants as they emerge from the womb. Especially if the mother was not vaccinated. Mask the babies!
You can't be done. Ever!!

This is perfect!

Also, going back to another post, I’m wondering how many of you have actually done academic studies. Because I did for my honors thesis in college and what I realized is that there are many, many ways to manipulate data to get the answer that you are looking for. And yes, research at higher levels need to be peer reviewed and adhere to higher standards but if you think that data isn’t being “massaged” to get the answers they are trying to achieve you are beyond naive. This whole “I believe in science” narrative is getting so old because it’s all a bunch of people who actually have no idea how science and research studies really work.

That’s a somewhat insulting thing to say, tbh. I think a lot of people on this board understand how research works.

Insulting? Do you get how big of a money making business this is right now with covid testing and vaccines?

Whether you get the vaccine or not, if you're not thankful for its existence, there is something wrong with you.

And yes, to state that "people have no idea how research studies really work" is insulting to those who actually READ

Thankful will have to be seen since there are so many breakthrough cases and hopefully it will work better than we all expect.

it is more than reading numbers. Anyone can put down numbers, just like they forgot to mention many numbers for the deaths at nursing homes.
Do you honestly trust everyone in life?

Where did I say anything about just reading numbers? I said READ.

And if you think YOUR life right now is not significantly better due to the vaccine, as I said before, there is something wrong with you

Knowing how to read does not make you understand how studies are actually conducted in practice. Actually conducting a study enables you to understand how studies are done. If studies were conducted in the same way every time and there was no way to manipulate data, every study would come out with the same results. If you read about the efficacy of the vaccine, especially as it relates to the delta variant, you will see that the studies are all over the place.

And nothing is wrong with anyone who does not find that their life is significantly better or worse because of the vaccine. People have different perspectives on different things and it's fine if someone doesn't feel the same as you do. Many people have religious beliefs that prevent them from getting vaccines or believing that their life is significantly better because of ANY vaccine. Is there something wrong with those people? You need to stop having such a narrow minded view, believing that the way you live your life, and you way of thinking is the best and only way of thinking.

Re: CDC recommends masking up in some locations …

Posted by lululu

Posted by klingklang77

Posted by lululu

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by MrsWoods

Posted by KarenK122

I am literally mentally done with all of this. No one knows shit. There is "scientific" evidence about every single side and there are about 100 sides to this issue.

Why the F did we bother getting the vaccine for. If mandates are not going to lifted then there was no reason to do it. This virus is never going away. We will be in masks for the rest of our lives if they don't stop with the mandates. Everyone knew that the vaccine did not make you invincible from Covid. It would just lessen the effects of it. So why is this such a new revelation? Children are not dying from this virus any more than other virus. We do not know true long term effects because it hasn't been around long enough to track that. They do not need protection from it. Adults have the option to get the vaccination. If they do not, then that is not my problem. There needs to be an option and a choice for people. I just started watching the Handmaiden's Tale and maybe we should take a bit from the show and start wearing clothes color coded with our vaccination status. It's coming to that. The constant talking about it is making me insane.

I'm with you. I'm done. This quite frankly is Bull$sh!t

But, but, but...you aren't ALOWED to be done. No! The virus doesn't care if you are done! It will be around for a million years until end days and until then you will wear your mask like a good little soldier.
And getting vaccinated no longer means you can stop wearing a mask...because apparently things have changed.
Yes, so shut up and be a good citizen!
Get your vaccine.
It's not that it doesn't work. It's just that other people didn't get it so that's why it doesn't work
Don't you understand?
Protect the children!! They can't get vaccinated! Yet!
Look at how sick the children are. We must mask them at 2 years old! Hell, we should mask infants as they emerge from the womb. Especially if the mother was not vaccinated. Mask the babies!
You can't be done. Ever!!

This is perfect!

Also, going back to another post, I’m wondering how many of you have actually done academic studies. Because I did for my honors thesis in college and what I realized is that there are many, many ways to manipulate data to get the answer that you are looking for. And yes, research at higher levels need to be peer reviewed and adhere to higher standards but if you think that data isn’t being “massaged” to get the answers they are trying to achieve you are beyond naive. This whole “I believe in science” narrative is getting so old because it’s all a bunch of people who actually have no idea how science and research studies really work.

That’s a somewhat insulting thing to say, tbh. I think a lot of people on this board understand how research works.

I think you give people too much credit. I think the biggest problem with people, in general and on this site, is that they also can’t fathom the possibility that they might be wrong, that they are in fact wrong, or that they might not know the entire story. And that is very dangerous. I am going to say that I think that there is probably a lot of misinformation about covid and vaccine efficacy and how would I possibly be able to figure out what is right and what is wrong? I can think things and I can form an opinion based on research I do but I can’t say I know anything for a fact. But people on here act like they know things 100% and if you don’t also believe what they believe you “don’t believe in science.” It would be better if everyone could say things with less conviction. For example you could say “I got the vaccine because it looks like it will be highly effective and I’m going to hope for the best.” But instead a lot of people on here say things like “the vaccine is highly effective and if you don’t understand that clearly you are an idiot that doesn’t believe in science.” I just think it’s better to have an open mind that this is an evolving topic about which we still know very little and touting science all the time and thinking you are an expert in how research is conducted when you’ve never actually done research at a higher level is insulting.

Re: CDC recommends masking up in some locations …

Posted by lululu

Posted by chilltocam

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by chilltocam

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by klingklang77

Posted by lululu

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by MrsWoods

Posted by KarenK122

I am literally mentally done with all of this. No one knows shit. There is "scientific" evidence about every single side and there are about 100 sides to this issue.

Why the F did we bother getting the vaccine for. If mandates are not going to lifted then there was no reason to do it. This virus is never going away. We will be in masks for the rest of our lives if they don't stop with the mandates. Everyone knew that the vaccine did not make you invincible from Covid. It would just lessen the effects of it. So why is this such a new revelation? Children are not dying from this virus any more than other virus. We do not know true long term effects because it hasn't been around long enough to track that. They do not need protection from it. Adults have the option to get the vaccination. If they do not, then that is not my problem. There needs to be an option and a choice for people. I just started watching the Handmaiden's Tale and maybe we should take a bit from the show and start wearing clothes color coded with our vaccination status. It's coming to that. The constant talking about it is making me insane.

I'm with you. I'm done. This quite frankly is Bull$sh!t

But, but, but...you aren't ALOWED to be done. No! The virus doesn't care if you are done! It will be around for a million years until end days and until then you will wear your mask like a good little soldier.
And getting vaccinated no longer means you can stop wearing a mask...because apparently things have changed.
Yes, so shut up and be a good citizen!
Get your vaccine.
It's not that it doesn't work. It's just that other people didn't get it so that's why it doesn't work
Don't you understand?
Protect the children!! They can't get vaccinated! Yet!
Look at how sick the children are. We must mask them at 2 years old! Hell, we should mask infants as they emerge from the womb. Especially if the mother was not vaccinated. Mask the babies!
You can't be done. Ever!!

This is perfect!

Also, going back to another post, I’m wondering how many of you have actually done academic studies. Because I did for my honors thesis in college and what I realized is that there are many, many ways to manipulate data to get the answer that you are looking for. And yes, research at higher levels need to be peer reviewed and adhere to higher standards but if you think that data isn’t being “massaged” to get the answers they are trying to achieve you are beyond naive. This whole “I believe in science” narrative is getting so old because it’s all a bunch of people who actually have no idea how science and research studies really work.

That’s a somewhat insulting thing to say, tbh. I think a lot of people on this board understand how research works.

Insulting? Do you get how big of a money making business this is right now with covid testing and vaccines?

Whether you get the vaccine or not, if you're not thankful for its existence, there is something wrong with you.

And yes, to state that "people have no idea how research studies really work" is insulting to those who actually READ

Thankful will have to be seen since there are so many breakthrough cases and hopefully it will work better than we all expect.

it is more than reading numbers. Anyone can put down numbers, just like they forgot to mention many numbers for the deaths at nursing homes.
Do you honestly trust everyone in life?

Where did I say anything about just reading numbers? I said READ.

And if you think YOUR life right now is not significantly better due to the vaccine, as I said before, there is something wrong with you

And nothing is wrong with anyone who does not find that their life is significantly better or worse because of the vaccine. People have different perspectives on different things and it's fine if someone doesn't feel the same as you do. Many people have religious beliefs that prevent them from getting vaccines or believing that their life is significantly better because of ANY vaccine. Is there something wrong with those people? You need to stop having such a narrow minded view, believing that the way you live your life, and you way of thinking is the best and only way of thinking.

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I am literally mentally done with all of this. No one knows shit. There is "scientific" evidence about every single side and there are about 100 sides to this issue.

Why the F did we bother getting the vaccine for. If mandates are not going to lifted then there was no reason to do it. This virus is never going away. We will be in masks for the rest of our lives if they don't stop with the mandates. Everyone knew that the vaccine did not make you invincible from Covid. It would just lessen the effects of it. So why is this such a new revelation? Children are not dying from this virus any more than other virus. We do not know true long term effects because it hasn't been around long enough to track that. They do not need protection from it. Adults have the option to get the vaccination. If they do not, then that is not my problem. There needs to be an option and a choice for people. I just started watching the Handmaiden's Tale and maybe we should take a bit from the show and start wearing clothes color coded with our vaccination status. It's coming to that. The constant talking about it is making me insane.

I'm with you. I'm done. This quite frankly is Bull$sh!t

But, but, but...you aren't ALOWED to be done. No! The virus doesn't care if you are done! It will be around for a million years until end days and until then you will wear your mask like a good little soldier.
And getting vaccinated no longer means you can stop wearing a mask...because apparently things have changed.
Yes, so shut up and be a good citizen!
Get your vaccine.
It's not that it doesn't work. It's just that other people didn't get it so that's why it doesn't work
Don't you understand?
Protect the children!! They can't get vaccinated! Yet!
Look at how sick the children are. We must mask them at 2 years old! Hell, we should mask infants as they emerge from the womb. Especially if the mother was not vaccinated. Mask the babies!
You can't be done. Ever!!

This is perfect!

Also, going back to another post, I’m wondering how many of you have actually done academic studies. Because I did for my honors thesis in college and what I realized is that there are many, many ways to manipulate data to get the answer that you are looking for. And yes, research at higher levels need to be peer reviewed and adhere to higher standards but if you think that data isn’t being “massaged” to get the answers they are trying to achieve you are beyond naive. This whole “I believe in science” narrative is getting so old because it’s all a bunch of people who actually have no idea how science and research studies really work.

That’s a somewhat insulting thing to say, tbh. I think a lot of people on this board understand how research works.

Insulting? Do you get how big of a money making business this is right now with covid testing and vaccines?

Whether you get the vaccine or not, if you're not thankful for its existence, there is something wrong with you.

And yes, to state that "people have no idea how research studies really work" is insulting to those who actually READ

Thankful will have to be seen since there are so many breakthrough cases and hopefully it will work better than we all expect.

it is more than reading numbers. Anyone can put down numbers, just like they forgot to mention many numbers for the deaths at nursing homes.
Do you honestly trust everyone in life?

Where did I say anything about just reading numbers? I said READ.

And if you think YOUR life right now is not significantly better due to the vaccine, as I said before, there is something wrong with you

Knowing how to read does not make you understand how studies are actually conducted in practice. Actually conducting a study enables you to understand how studies are done. If studies were conducted in the same way every time and there was no way to manipulate data, every study would come out with the same results. If you read about the efficacy of the vaccine, especially as it relates to the delta variant, you will see that the studies are all over the place.

And nothing is wrong with anyone who does not find that their life is significantly better or worse because of the vaccine. People have different perspectives on different things and it's fine if someone doesn't feel the same as you do. Many people have religious beliefs that prevent them from getting vaccines or believing that their life is significantly better because of ANY vaccine. Is there something wrong with those people? You need to stop having such a narrow minded view, believing that the way you live your life, and you way of thinking is the best and only way of thinking.

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Posted by KarenK122

I am literally mentally done with all of this. No one knows shit. There is "scientific" evidence about every single side and there are about 100 sides to this issue.

Why the F did we bother getting the vaccine for. If mandates are not going to lifted then there was no reason to do it. This virus is never going away. We will be in masks for the rest of our lives if they don't stop with the mandates. Everyone knew that the vaccine did not make you invincible from Covid. It would just lessen the effects of it. So why is this such a new revelation? Children are not dying from this virus any more than other virus. We do not know true long term effects because it hasn't been around long enough to track that. They do not need protection from it. Adults have the option to get the vaccination. If they do not, then that is not my problem. There needs to be an option and a choice for people. I just started watching the Handmaiden's Tale and maybe we should take a bit from the show and start wearing clothes color coded with our vaccination status. It's coming to that. The constant talking about it is making me insane.

I'm with you. I'm done. This quite frankly is Bull$sh!t

But, but, but...you aren't ALOWED to be done. No! The virus doesn't care if you are done! It will be around for a million years until end days and until then you will wear your mask like a good little soldier.
And getting vaccinated no longer means you can stop wearing a mask...because apparently things have changed.
Yes, so shut up and be a good citizen!
Get your vaccine.
It's not that it doesn't work. It's just that other people didn't get it so that's why it doesn't work
Don't you understand?
Protect the children!! They can't get vaccinated! Yet!
Look at how sick the children are. We must mask them at 2 years old! Hell, we should mask infants as they emerge from the womb. Especially if the mother was not vaccinated. Mask the babies!
You can't be done. Ever!!

This is perfect!

Also, going back to another post, I’m wondering how many of you have actually done academic studies. Because I did for my honors thesis in college and what I realized is that there are many, many ways to manipulate data to get the answer that you are looking for. And yes, research at higher levels need to be peer reviewed and adhere to higher standards but if you think that data isn’t being “massaged” to get the answers they are trying to achieve you are beyond naive. This whole “I believe in science” narrative is getting so old because it’s all a bunch of people who actually have no idea how science and research studies really work.

That’s a somewhat insulting thing to say, tbh. I think a lot of people on this board understand how research works.

Insulting? Do you get how big of a money making business this is right now with covid testing and vaccines?

Whether you get the vaccine or not, if you're not thankful for its existence, there is something wrong with you.

And yes, to state that "people have no idea how research studies really work" is insulting to those who actually READ

Thankful will have to be seen since there are so many breakthrough cases and hopefully it will work better than we all expect.

it is more than reading numbers. Anyone can put down numbers, just like they forgot to mention many numbers for the deaths at nursing homes.
Do you honestly trust everyone in life?

Where did I say anything about just reading numbers? I said READ.

And if you think YOUR life right now is not significantly better due to the vaccine, as I said before, there is something wrong with you

Knowing how to read does not make you understand how studies are actually conducted in practice. Actually conducting a study enables you to understand how studies are done. If studies were conducted in the same way every time and there was no way to manipulate data, every study would come out with the same results. If you read about the efficacy of the vaccine, especially as it relates to the delta variant, you will see that the studies are all over the place.

And nothing is wrong with anyone who does not find that their life is significantly better or worse because of the vaccine. People have different perspectives on different things and it's fine if someone doesn't feel the same as you do. Many people have religious beliefs that prevent them from getting vaccines or believing that their life is significantly better because of ANY vaccine. Is there something wrong with those people? You need to stop having such a narrow minded view, believing that the way you live your life, and you way of thinking is the best and only way of thinking.

But you don't know anything about my background or of those on here. So to say I or anyone else doesn't understand that is insulting.

And if it wasn't for the vaccine, we'd still be living in a locked down society. If you can't appreciate the benefit it has provided to EVERYONE - regardless of whether you ever intend to get it, then I stand by my original statement

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Posted by KarenK122

I am literally mentally done with all of this. No one knows shit. There is "scientific" evidence about every single side and there are about 100 sides to this issue.

Why the F did we bother getting the vaccine for. If mandates are not going to lifted then there was no reason to do it. This virus is never going away. We will be in masks for the rest of our lives if they don't stop with the mandates. Everyone knew that the vaccine did not make you invincible from Covid. It would just lessen the effects of it. So why is this such a new revelation? Children are not dying from this virus any more than other virus. We do not know true long term effects because it hasn't been around long enough to track that. They do not need protection from it. Adults have the option to get the vaccination. If they do not, then that is not my problem. There needs to be an option and a choice for people. I just started watching the Handmaiden's Tale and maybe we should take a bit from the show and start wearing clothes color coded with our vaccination status. It's coming to that. The constant talking about it is making me insane.

I'm with you. I'm done. This quite frankly is Bull$sh!t

But, but, but...you aren't ALOWED to be done. No! The virus doesn't care if you are done! It will be around for a million years until end days and until then you will wear your mask like a good little soldier.
And getting vaccinated no longer means you can stop wearing a mask...because apparently things have changed.
Yes, so shut up and be a good citizen!
Get your vaccine.
It's not that it doesn't work. It's just that other people didn't get it so that's why it doesn't work
Don't you understand?
Protect the children!! They can't get vaccinated! Yet!
Look at how sick the children are. We must mask them at 2 years old! Hell, we should mask infants as they emerge from the womb. Especially if the mother was not vaccinated. Mask the babies!
You can't be done. Ever!!

This is perfect!

Also, going back to another post, I’m wondering how many of you have actually done academic studies. Because I did for my honors thesis in college and what I realized is that there are many, many ways to manipulate data to get the answer that you are looking for. And yes, research at higher levels need to be peer reviewed and adhere to higher standards but if you think that data isn’t being “massaged” to get the answers they are trying to achieve you are beyond naive. This whole “I believe in science” narrative is getting so old because it’s all a bunch of people who actually have no idea how science and research studies really work.

That’s a somewhat insulting thing to say, tbh. I think a lot of people on this board understand how research works.

I think you give people too much credit. I think the biggest problem with people, in general and on this site, is that they also can’t fathom the possibility that they might be wrong, that they are in fact wrong, or that they might not know the entire story. And that is very dangerous. I am going to say that I think that there is probably a lot of misinformation about covid and vaccine efficacy and how would I possibly be able to figure out what is right and what is wrong? I can think things and I can form an opinion based on research I do but I can’t say I know anything for a fact. But people on here act like they know things 100% and if you don’t also believe what they believe you “don’t believe in science.” It would be better if everyone could say things with less conviction. For example you could say “I got the vaccine because it looks like it will be highly effective and I’m going to hope for the best.” But instead a lot of people on here say things like “the vaccine is highly effective and if you don’t understand that clearly you are an idiot that doesn’t believe in science.” I just think it’s better to have an open mind that this is an evolving topic about which we still know very little and touting science all the time and thinking you are an expert in how research is conducted when you’ve never actually done research at a higher level is insulting.

Actually, I do have a lot of knowledge about research at a higher level and I teach how to interpret it and include it in scientific and technical essays as part of my job description.

But since you want people to use a certain language (hedging, tentativeness, caution) on a message board (!), then maybe make a post about that instead of saying a lot of people on this board don’t know how to understand a higher level of research.

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Posted by KarenK122

I am literally mentally done with all of this. No one knows shit. There is "scientific" evidence about every single side and there are about 100 sides to this issue.

Why the F did we bother getting the vaccine for. If mandates are not going to lifted then there was no reason to do it. This virus is never going away. We will be in masks for the rest of our lives if they don't stop with the mandates. Everyone knew that the vaccine did not make you invincible from Covid. It would just lessen the effects of it. So why is this such a new revelation? Children are not dying from this virus any more than other virus. We do not know true long term effects because it hasn't been around long enough to track that. They do not need protection from it. Adults have the option to get the vaccination. If they do not, then that is not my problem. There needs to be an option and a choice for people. I just started watching the Handmaiden's Tale and maybe we should take a bit from the show and start wearing clothes color coded with our vaccination status. It's coming to that. The constant talking about it is making me insane.

I'm with you. I'm done. This quite frankly is Bull$sh!t

But, but, but...you aren't ALOWED to be done. No! The virus doesn't care if you are done! It will be around for a million years until end days and until then you will wear your mask like a good little soldier.
And getting vaccinated no longer means you can stop wearing a mask...because apparently things have changed.
Yes, so shut up and be a good citizen!
Get your vaccine.
It's not that it doesn't work. It's just that other people didn't get it so that's why it doesn't work
Don't you understand?
Protect the children!! They can't get vaccinated! Yet!
Look at how sick the children are. We must mask them at 2 years old! Hell, we should mask infants as they emerge from the womb. Especially if the mother was not vaccinated. Mask the babies!
You can't be done. Ever!!

This is perfect!

Also, going back to another post, I’m wondering how many of you have actually done academic studies. Because I did for my honors thesis in college and what I realized is that there are many, many ways to manipulate data to get the answer that you are looking for. And yes, research at higher levels need to be peer reviewed and adhere to higher standards but if you think that data isn’t being “massaged” to get the answers they are trying to achieve you are beyond naive. This whole “I believe in science” narrative is getting so old because it’s all a bunch of people who actually have no idea how science and research studies really work.

That’s a somewhat insulting thing to say, tbh. I think a lot of people on this board understand how research works.

Insulting? Do you get how big of a money making business this is right now with covid testing and vaccines?

Whether you get the vaccine or not, if you're not thankful for its existence, there is something wrong with you.

And yes, to state that "people have no idea how research studies really work" is insulting to those who actually READ

Thankful will have to be seen since there are so many breakthrough cases and hopefully it will work better than we all expect.

it is more than reading numbers. Anyone can put down numbers, just like they forgot to mention many numbers for the deaths at nursing homes.
Do you honestly trust everyone in life?

Where did I say anything about just reading numbers? I said READ.

And if you think YOUR life right now is not significantly better due to the vaccine, as I said before, there is something wrong with you

Knowing how to read does not make you understand how studies are actually conducted in practice. Actually conducting a study enables you to understand how studies are done. If studies were conducted in the same way every time and there was no way to manipulate data, every study would come out with the same results. If you read about the efficacy of the vaccine, especially as it relates to the delta variant, you will see that the studies are all over the place.

And nothing is wrong with anyone who does not find that their life is significantly better or worse because of the vaccine. People have different perspectives on different things and it's fine if someone doesn't feel the same as you do. Many people have religious beliefs that prevent them from getting vaccines or believing that their life is significantly better because of ANY vaccine. Is there something wrong with those people? You need to stop having such a narrow minded view, believing that the way you live your life, and you way of thinking is the best and only way of thinking.

But you don't know anything about my background or of those on here. So to say I or anyone else doesn't understand that is insulting.

And if it wasn't for the vaccine, we'd still be living in a locked down society. If you can't appreciate the benefit it has provided to EVERYONE - regardless of whether you ever intend to get it, then I stand by my original statement

You are absolutely right I don’t know anything about you and I was not referring to you specifically. However, you are wrong, the vaccine is not the reason we are no longer under lockdown. The reason we are no longer under lockdown is because our government has decided that we don’t need to be under lockdown. There are plenty of countries with limited access to the vaccine that are not currently and have never been under lock down.

I think anyone who reads up on some studies and then considers themselves to be more educated and informed and decides that they are 100% right is severely misguided. No one should be calling anyone “stupid” or “ignorant” because they don’t share the same point of view that you do.

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Posted by KarenK122

I am literally mentally done with all of this. No one knows shit. There is "scientific" evidence about every single side and there are about 100 sides to this issue.

Why the F did we bother getting the vaccine for. If mandates are not going to lifted then there was no reason to do it. This virus is never going away. We will be in masks for the rest of our lives if they don't stop with the mandates. Everyone knew that the vaccine did not make you invincible from Covid. It would just lessen the effects of it. So why is this such a new revelation? Children are not dying from this virus any more than other virus. We do not know true long term effects because it hasn't been around long enough to track that. They do not need protection from it. Adults have the option to get the vaccination. If they do not, then that is not my problem. There needs to be an option and a choice for people. I just started watching the Handmaiden's Tale and maybe we should take a bit from the show and start wearing clothes color coded with our vaccination status. It's coming to that. The constant talking about it is making me insane.

I'm with you. I'm done. This quite frankly is Bull$sh!t

But, but, but...you aren't ALOWED to be done. No! The virus doesn't care if you are done! It will be around for a million years until end days and until then you will wear your mask like a good little soldier.
And getting vaccinated no longer means you can stop wearing a mask...because apparently things have changed.
Yes, so shut up and be a good citizen!
Get your vaccine.
It's not that it doesn't work. It's just that other people didn't get it so that's why it doesn't work
Don't you understand?
Protect the children!! They can't get vaccinated! Yet!
Look at how sick the children are. We must mask them at 2 years old! Hell, we should mask infants as they emerge from the womb. Especially if the mother was not vaccinated. Mask the babies!
You can't be done. Ever!!

This is perfect!

Also, going back to another post, I’m wondering how many of you have actually done academic studies. Because I did for my honors thesis in college and what I realized is that there are many, many ways to manipulate data to get the answer that you are looking for. And yes, research at higher levels need to be peer reviewed and adhere to higher standards but if you think that data isn’t being “massaged” to get the answers they are trying to achieve you are beyond naive. This whole “I believe in science” narrative is getting so old because it’s all a bunch of people who actually have no idea how science and research studies really work.

That’s a somewhat insulting thing to say, tbh. I think a lot of people on this board understand how research works.

Insulting? Do you get how big of a money making business this is right now with covid testing and vaccines?

Whether you get the vaccine or not, if you're not thankful for its existence, there is something wrong with you.

And yes, to state that "people have no idea how research studies really work" is insulting to those who actually READ

Thankful will have to be seen since there are so many breakthrough cases and hopefully it will work better than we all expect.

it is more than reading numbers. Anyone can put down numbers, just like they forgot to mention many numbers for the deaths at nursing homes.
Do you honestly trust everyone in life?

Where did I say anything about just reading numbers? I said READ.

And if you think YOUR life right now is not significantly better due to the vaccine, as I said before, there is something wrong with you

Knowing how to read does not make you understand how studies are actually conducted in practice. Actually conducting a study enables you to understand how studies are done. If studies were conducted in the same way every time and there was no way to manipulate data, every study would come out with the same results. If you read about the efficacy of the vaccine, especially as it relates to the delta variant, you will see that the studies are all over the place.

And nothing is wrong with anyone who does not find that their life is significantly better or worse because of the vaccine. People have different perspectives on different things and it's fine if someone doesn't feel the same as you do. Many people have religious beliefs that prevent them from getting vaccines or believing that their life is significantly better because of ANY vaccine. Is there something wrong with those people? You need to stop having such a narrow minded view, believing that the way you live your life, and you way of thinking is the best and only way of thinking.

But you don't know anything about my background or of those on here. So to say I or anyone else doesn't understand that is insulting.

And if it wasn't for the vaccine, we'd still be living in a locked down society. If you can't appreciate the benefit it has provided to EVERYONE - regardless of whether you ever intend to get it, then I stand by my original statement

You are absolutely right I don’t know anything about you and I was not referring to you specifically. However, you are wrong, the vaccine is not the reason we are no longer under lockdown. The reason we are no longer under lockdown is because our government has decided that we don’t need to be under lockdown. There are plenty of countries with limited access to the vaccine that are not currently and have never been under lock down.

I think anyone who reads up on some studies and then considers themselves to be more educated and informed and decides that they are 100% right is severely misguided. No one should be calling anyone “stupid” or “ignorant” because they don’t share the same point of view that you do.

And OUR government decided we are no longer under lock down because of the availability of the vaccine. Many restrictions were lifted when a certain percentage of the population was fully vaccinated.

I have never called anyone stupid or ignorant for not sharing the same OPINION. But there are FACTS - things that are 100% true. When someone posts incorrect, unsupported or outdated information under the guise of facts, I have a huge problem with that

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Posted by KarenK122

I am literally mentally done with all of this. No one knows shit. There is "scientific" evidence about every single side and there are about 100 sides to this issue.

Why the F did we bother getting the vaccine for. If mandates are not going to lifted then there was no reason to do it. This virus is never going away. We will be in masks for the rest of our lives if they don't stop with the mandates. Everyone knew that the vaccine did not make you invincible from Covid. It would just lessen the effects of it. So why is this such a new revelation? Children are not dying from this virus any more than other virus. We do not know true long term effects because it hasn't been around long enough to track that. They do not need protection from it. Adults have the option to get the vaccination. If they do not, then that is not my problem. There needs to be an option and a choice for people. I just started watching the Handmaiden's Tale and maybe we should take a bit from the show and start wearing clothes color coded with our vaccination status. It's coming to that. The constant talking about it is making me insane.

I'm with you. I'm done. This quite frankly is Bull$sh!t

But, but, but...you aren't ALOWED to be done. No! The virus doesn't care if you are done! It will be around for a million years until end days and until then you will wear your mask like a good little soldier.
And getting vaccinated no longer means you can stop wearing a mask...because apparently things have changed.
Yes, so shut up and be a good citizen!
Get your vaccine.
It's not that it doesn't work. It's just that other people didn't get it so that's why it doesn't work
Don't you understand?
Protect the children!! They can't get vaccinated! Yet!
Look at how sick the children are. We must mask them at 2 years old! Hell, we should mask infants as they emerge from the womb. Especially if the mother was not vaccinated. Mask the babies!
You can't be done. Ever!!

This is perfect!

Also, going back to another post, I’m wondering how many of you have actually done academic studies. Because I did for my honors thesis in college and what I realized is that there are many, many ways to manipulate data to get the answer that you are looking for. And yes, research at higher levels need to be peer reviewed and adhere to higher standards but if you think that data isn’t being “massaged” to get the answers they are trying to achieve you are beyond naive. This whole “I believe in science” narrative is getting so old because it’s all a bunch of people who actually have no idea how science and research studies really work.

That’s a somewhat insulting thing to say, tbh. I think a lot of people on this board understand how research works.

Insulting? Do you get how big of a money making business this is right now with covid testing and vaccines?

Whether you get the vaccine or not, if you're not thankful for its existence, there is something wrong with you.

And yes, to state that "people have no idea how research studies really work" is insulting to those who actually READ

Thankful will have to be seen since there are so many breakthrough cases and hopefully it will work better than we all expect.

it is more than reading numbers. Anyone can put down numbers, just like they forgot to mention many numbers for the deaths at nursing homes.
Do you honestly trust everyone in life?

Where did I say anything about just reading numbers? I said READ.

And if you think YOUR life right now is not significantly better due to the vaccine, as I said before, there is something wrong with you

Knowing how to read does not make you understand how studies are actually conducted in practice. Actually conducting a study enables you to understand how studies are done. If studies were conducted in the same way every time and there was no way to manipulate data, every study would come out with the same results. If you read about the efficacy of the vaccine, especially as it relates to the delta variant, you will see that the studies are all over the place.

And nothing is wrong with anyone who does not find that their life is significantly better or worse because of the vaccine. People have different perspectives on different things and it's fine if someone doesn't feel the same as you do. Many people have religious beliefs that prevent them from getting vaccines or believing that their life is significantly better because of ANY vaccine. Is there something wrong with those people? You need to stop having such a narrow minded view, believing that the way you live your life, and you way of thinking is the best and only way of thinking.

But you don't know anything about my background or of those on here. So to say I or anyone else doesn't understand that is insulting.

And if it wasn't for the vaccine, we'd still be living in a locked down society. If you can't appreciate the benefit it has provided to EVERYONE - regardless of whether you ever intend to get it, then I stand by my original statement

You are absolutely right I don’t know anything about you and I was not referring to you specifically. However, you are wrong, the vaccine is not the reason we are no longer under lockdown. The reason we are no longer under lockdown is because our government has decided that we don’t need to be under lockdown. There are plenty of countries with limited access to the vaccine that are not currently and have never been under lock down.

I think anyone who reads up on some studies and then considers themselves to be more educated and informed and decides that they are 100% right is severely misguided. No one should be calling anyone “stupid” or “ignorant” because they don’t share the same point of view that you do.

And OUR government decided we are no longer under lock down because of the availability of the vaccine. Many restrictions were lifted when a certain percentage of the population was fully vaccinated.

I have never called anyone stupid or ignorant for not sharing the same OPINION. But there are FACTS - things that are 100% true. When someone posts incorrect, unsupported or outdated information under the guise of facts, I have a huge problem with that

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I am literally mentally done with all of this. No one knows shit. There is "scientific" evidence about every single side and there are about 100 sides to this issue.

Why the F did we bother getting the vaccine for. If mandates are not going to lifted then there was no reason to do it. This virus is never going away. We will be in masks for the rest of our lives if they don't stop with the mandates. Everyone knew that the vaccine did not make you invincible from Covid. It would just lessen the effects of it. So why is this such a new revelation? Children are not dying from this virus any more than other virus. We do not know true long term effects because it hasn't been around long enough to track that. They do not need protection from it. Adults have the option to get the vaccination. If they do not, then that is not my problem. There needs to be an option and a choice for people. I just started watching the Handmaiden's Tale and maybe we should take a bit from the show and start wearing clothes color coded with our vaccination status. It's coming to that. The constant talking about it is making me insane.

I'm with you. I'm done. This quite frankly is Bull$sh!t

But, but, but...you aren't ALOWED to be done. No! The virus doesn't care if you are done! It will be around for a million years until end days and until then you will wear your mask like a good little soldier.
And getting vaccinated no longer means you can stop wearing a mask...because apparently things have changed.
Yes, so shut up and be a good citizen!
Get your vaccine.
It's not that it doesn't work. It's just that other people didn't get it so that's why it doesn't work
Don't you understand?
Protect the children!! They can't get vaccinated! Yet!
Look at how sick the children are. We must mask them at 2 years old! Hell, we should mask infants as they emerge from the womb. Especially if the mother was not vaccinated. Mask the babies!
You can't be done. Ever!!

This is perfect!

Also, going back to another post, I’m wondering how many of you have actually done academic studies. Because I did for my honors thesis in college and what I realized is that there are many, many ways to manipulate data to get the answer that you are looking for. And yes, research at higher levels need to be peer reviewed and adhere to higher standards but if you think that data isn’t being “massaged” to get the answers they are trying to achieve you are beyond naive. This whole “I believe in science” narrative is getting so old because it’s all a bunch of people who actually have no idea how science and research studies really work.

That’s a somewhat insulting thing to say, tbh. I think a lot of people on this board understand how research works.

Insulting? Do you get how big of a money making business this is right now with covid testing and vaccines?

Whether you get the vaccine or not, if you're not thankful for its existence, there is something wrong with you.

And yes, to state that "people have no idea how research studies really work" is insulting to those who actually READ

Thankful will have to be seen since there are so many breakthrough cases and hopefully it will work better than we all expect.

it is more than reading numbers. Anyone can put down numbers, just like they forgot to mention many numbers for the deaths at nursing homes.
Do you honestly trust everyone in life?

Where did I say anything about just reading numbers? I said READ.

And if you think YOUR life right now is not significantly better due to the vaccine, as I said before, there is something wrong with you

Knowing how to read does not make you understand how studies are actually conducted in practice. Actually conducting a study enables you to understand how studies are done. If studies were conducted in the same way every time and there was no way to manipulate data, every study would come out with the same results. If you read about the efficacy of the vaccine, especially as it relates to the delta variant, you will see that the studies are all over the place.

And nothing is wrong with anyone who does not find that their life is significantly better or worse because of the vaccine. People have different perspectives on different things and it's fine if someone doesn't feel the same as you do. Many people have religious beliefs that prevent them from getting vaccines or believing that their life is significantly better because of ANY vaccine. Is there something wrong with those people? You need to stop having such a narrow minded view, believing that the way you live your life, and you way of thinking is the best and only way of thinking.

But you don't know anything about my background or of those on here. So to say I or anyone else doesn't understand that is insulting.

And if it wasn't for the vaccine, we'd still be living in a locked down society. If you can't appreciate the benefit it has provided to EVERYONE - regardless of whether you ever intend to get it, then I stand by my original statement

You are absolutely right I don’t know anything about you and I was not referring to you specifically. However, you are wrong, the vaccine is not the reason we are no longer under lockdown. The reason we are no longer under lockdown is because our government has decided that we don’t need to be under lockdown. There are plenty of countries with limited access to the vaccine that are not currently and have never been under lock down.

I think anyone who reads up on some studies and then considers themselves to be more educated and informed and decides that they are 100% right is severely misguided. No one should be calling anyone “stupid” or “ignorant” because they don’t share the same point of view that you do.

And OUR government decided we are no longer under lock down because of the availability of the vaccine. Many restrictions were lifted when a certain percentage of the population was fully vaccinated.

I have never called anyone stupid or ignorant for not sharing the same OPINION. But there are FACTS - things that are 100% true. When someone posts incorrect, unsupported or outdated information under the guise of facts, I have a huge problem with that

Actually lock down ended last summer. I remember restaruants opening for outdoor then indoor dining . I remember stores letting more people in and no lines to get in. I remember travelling to the Jersey shore and it looked like 2019.
More non essetinal businesses were open.
Bars were open.
Live music was happening with restrictions.
It did not feel like we were "locked down" last summer. Not even a little bit.
this was all prior to the vaccine.
I do credit the vaccine for mask mandates ending.
Once the vaccine came out, we slowly were able to get away from masks.
But now they are saying that's not longer the case.

CDC recommends masking up in some locations …

these posts remind me of a video I saw recently.

it was people in the 80's being interviewed by a tv station.

People were furious about having to wear seatbelts while driving.

Infuriated about their rights being taken away (the right to not wear a seatbelt)

Their freedom to decide how they want to live in jeopardy. (to live or die in this case without wearing a seatbelt)

There were studies. You know the dummie commercials, right? Even a dummy knows .... When scientists & engineers come up with studies, based on the people they are studying, that info is pretty easy to interpret. it's data based - no ones opinion or feelings of burnout or rights being taken away, no, none of that is in these studies. But they sure are here, social media, at my local grocery store. These peoples have feelings about the pandemic that seem, unreasonable to me because there is ample information for the layman to sift through and understand what is happening.

So the anti-seatbelters on that news broadcast from the 80's....the resemblance to today's anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers is uncanny.

Seatbelts save lives, but people didn't believe that, because they *felt* like their freedom was being taken away. They felt denied their own rights to drive a vehicle the way they want to, despite the safety and saving lives.

But now, everyone wears them, because why? ---anyone?

Because they save lives.

Do some people die in a seatbelt? Unfortunately yes, they do. But we don't stop wearing them. We don't tell others to not wear them or question why they are wearing them.

So to question, put down, insinuate that vaccines or mask wearing isn't for the benefit of saving lives, is to be like the anti-seatbelters of the 1980's.

So sad in a pitiful way and uncanny. I wish I could remember where I saw that video.

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Posted by KarenK122

I am literally mentally done with all of this. No one knows shit. There is "scientific" evidence about every single side and there are about 100 sides to this issue.

Why the F did we bother getting the vaccine for. If mandates are not going to lifted then there was no reason to do it. This virus is never going away. We will be in masks for the rest of our lives if they don't stop with the mandates. Everyone knew that the vaccine did not make you invincible from Covid. It would just lessen the effects of it. So why is this such a new revelation? Children are not dying from this virus any more than other virus. We do not know true long term effects because it hasn't been around long enough to track that. They do not need protection from it. Adults have the option to get the vaccination. If they do not, then that is not my problem. There needs to be an option and a choice for people. I just started watching the Handmaiden's Tale and maybe we should take a bit from the show and start wearing clothes color coded with our vaccination status. It's coming to that. The constant talking about it is making me insane.

I'm with you. I'm done. This quite frankly is Bull$sh!t

But, but, but...you aren't ALOWED to be done. No! The virus doesn't care if you are done! It will be around for a million years until end days and until then you will wear your mask like a good little soldier.
And getting vaccinated no longer means you can stop wearing a mask...because apparently things have changed.
Yes, so shut up and be a good citizen!
Get your vaccine.
It's not that it doesn't work. It's just that other people didn't get it so that's why it doesn't work
Don't you understand?
Protect the children!! They can't get vaccinated! Yet!
Look at how sick the children are. We must mask them at 2 years old! Hell, we should mask infants as they emerge from the womb. Especially if the mother was not vaccinated. Mask the babies!
You can't be done. Ever!!

This is perfect!

Also, going back to another post, I’m wondering how many of you have actually done academic studies. Because I did for my honors thesis in college and what I realized is that there are many, many ways to manipulate data to get the answer that you are looking for. And yes, research at higher levels need to be peer reviewed and adhere to higher standards but if you think that data isn’t being “massaged” to get the answers they are trying to achieve you are beyond naive. This whole “I believe in science” narrative is getting so old because it’s all a bunch of people who actually have no idea how science and research studies really work.

That’s a somewhat insulting thing to say, tbh. I think a lot of people on this board understand how research works.

Insulting? Do you get how big of a money making business this is right now with covid testing and vaccines?

Whether you get the vaccine or not, if you're not thankful for its existence, there is something wrong with you.

And yes, to state that "people have no idea how research studies really work" is insulting to those who actually READ

Thankful will have to be seen since there are so many breakthrough cases and hopefully it will work better than we all expect.

it is more than reading numbers. Anyone can put down numbers, just like they forgot to mention many numbers for the deaths at nursing homes.
Do you honestly trust everyone in life?

Where did I say anything about just reading numbers? I said READ.

And if you think YOUR life right now is not significantly better due to the vaccine, as I said before, there is something wrong with you

Knowing how to read does not make you understand how studies are actually conducted in practice. Actually conducting a study enables you to understand how studies are done. If studies were conducted in the same way every time and there was no way to manipulate data, every study would come out with the same results. If you read about the efficacy of the vaccine, especially as it relates to the delta variant, you will see that the studies are all over the place.

And nothing is wrong with anyone who does not find that their life is significantly better or worse because of the vaccine. People have different perspectives on different things and it's fine if someone doesn't feel the same as you do. Many people have religious beliefs that prevent them from getting vaccines or believing that their life is significantly better because of ANY vaccine. Is there something wrong with those people? You need to stop having such a narrow minded view, believing that the way you live your life, and you way of thinking is the best and only way of thinking.

But you don't know anything about my background or of those on here. So to say I or anyone else doesn't understand that is insulting.

And if it wasn't for the vaccine, we'd still be living in a locked down society. If you can't appreciate the benefit it has provided to EVERYONE - regardless of whether you ever intend to get it, then I stand by my original statement

You are absolutely right I don’t know anything about you and I was not referring to you specifically. However, you are wrong, the vaccine is not the reason we are no longer under lockdown. The reason we are no longer under lockdown is because our government has decided that we don’t need to be under lockdown. There are plenty of countries with limited access to the vaccine that are not currently and have never been under lock down.

I think anyone who reads up on some studies and then considers themselves to be more educated and informed and decides that they are 100% right is severely misguided. No one should be calling anyone “stupid” or “ignorant” because they don’t share the same point of view that you do.

And OUR government decided we are no longer under lock down because of the availability of the vaccine. Many restrictions were lifted when a certain percentage of the population was fully vaccinated.

I have never called anyone stupid or ignorant for not sharing the same OPINION. But there are FACTS - things that are 100% true. When someone posts incorrect, unsupported or outdated information under the guise of facts, I have a huge problem with that

Actually lock down ended last summer. I remember restaruants opening for outdoor then indoor dining . I remember stores letting more people in and no lines to get in. I remember travelling to the Jersey shore and it looked like 2019.
More non essetinal businesses were open.
Bars were open.
Live music was happening with restrictions.
It did not feel like we were "locked down" last summer. Not even a little bit.
this was all prior to the vaccine.
I do credit the vaccine for mask mandates ending.
Once the vaccine came out, we slowly were able to get away from masks.
But now they are saying that's not longer the case.

Many people keep themselves on lock down and didn't go out much and didn't see people. For others, like ourselves, we went out to eat, saw friends and family, only wore masks in places that required it.

Now the vaccine they bragged about forever and that everyone needs to get, its not working and I actually just heard that Pfizer drops to 84% after 6 months.



https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/28/pfizers-ceo-says-covid-vaccine-effectiveness-drops-to-84percent-after-six-months.html

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