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jambalady
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Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
Can anyone tell me if this is really an expectation of the common core? My DH was talking to SIL yesterday and she said when she was reading up on the common core, it said parents are responsible for 50% of what a child learns, teachers 30% and other 20%.
I googled this all last night and couldn't find anything.
Has anyone ever heard this and if so, explain what it is supposed to mean?
Or provide a link that I can read up on?
It just seems like the most ridiculous statement to me.
How are we, as parents, supposed to be the ones teaching 50% of what a child is expected to learn? And if that's the case, why am I even sending my child to school?
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Re: Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
I have never heard that and I am a teacher. I do believe, however, that parents provide one of the most important building blocks for their children to be successful in school (ie reading to them, making sure they do their HW, instilling value in education, etc.)
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Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
I do think parents are responsible for most of what your child learns, but not necessarily "curriculum" if you know what I'm saying...
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jambalady
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Re: Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
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I have never heard that and I am a teacher. I do believe, however, that parents provide one of the most important building blocks for their children to be successful in school (ie reading to them, making sure they do their HW, instilling value in education, etc.)
I completely agree with this, and am there every day to reinforce everything they learn in school and to stress the value of their education, but it almost sounded like parents were responsible for teaching core concepts rather than reinforcing what the child should have learned from their teachers.
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Re: Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
I know John King is big on parental involvement and said at least once that parents should take their kids to museums, etc. but I don't recall ever hearing/reading anything like that. I think a lot of people who say "the Common Core says _" aren't bothering to even read the standards. (That was not directed at the OP, it's something I've noticed in general) For example someone on my town's Patch site was ranting about the Common Core requiring sex ed in kindergarten- um, no. I didn't even bother to ask her if she'd read the standards because she clearly had not.
Here is the link to the official site if anyone is interested. There is a lot of material but it is helpful. Core Standards
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Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
maybe it's just how parents are feeling since they are the ones doing 3 hours of homework with their kids everynight....
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Re: Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
Honestly successful students are such because their parents are involved and invested in their education.
As far as a strict 50% rule--that does not really make sense--but parents should hold themselves accountable for the majority of their childs learning.
My son is with me the majority of the time, he learns from us.
Parents who think they can send their kids to school from 8-3pm and do not need to do educational activities to reinforce their childs schoolwork whether that be letters, numbers or taking their children to museums are really delusional.
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Re: Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
Posted by PitterPatter11
I have never heard that and I am a teacher. I do believe, however, that parents provide one of the most important building blocks for their children to be successful in school (ie reading to them, making sure they do their HW, instilling value in education, etc.)
ITA.
There is only so much a teacher can do, they only get your kids for a few hours a day. For a child to be truly successful in school they need a strong support system at home. They NEED parents who take an interest in their eduction, who work with them to reinforce concepts, and who stress the importance of a solid education. When parents care, kids generally will care too! Parents are an important part of the equation when it comes to a child's success in school! 
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Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
How are the parents expected to be involved when they can't understand anything that's being taught? i.e. math
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Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
No. That's not correct. But as others have said parental involvement and encouraging your children , etc. is important
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Re: Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
Posted by ElizaRags35
How are the parents expected to be involved when they can't understand anything that's being taught? i.e. math
Whether you understand the content or not, as a parent you should be a role model and a support system for your kids regardless. Teach them about the world around them, reinforce basic concepts, read with them, make sure you convey the value and importance of education, be involved in their school life, offer guidance as needed...............basically, be a parent. Kids can't succeed and flourish without parents taking an active role in their life. If you really don't know how to help them with a specific subject then as a parent, it's on you to see they get the extra help they need in order to learn. (Tutor, extra help, etc)
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Re: Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
Posted by Hofstra26
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How are the parents expected to be involved when they can't understand anything that's being taught? i.e. math
Whether you understand the content or not, as a parent you should be a role model and a support system for your kids regardless. Teach them about the world around them, reinforce basic concepts, read with them, make sure you convey the value and importance of education, be involved in their school life, offer guidance as needed...............basically, be a parent. Kids can't succeed and flourish without parents taking an active role in their life. If you really don't know how to help them with a specific subject then as a parent, it's on you to see they get the extra help they need in order to learn. (Tutor, extra help, etc)
Well that's obvious. I meant literally helping them with their homework.
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Re: Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
I haven't heard of those exact percentages but I have heard that the single most important factor is the parents. We are going back and forth on whether to send our kids to private school and this comes up a lot. We are leaning towards public school and more parent involvement vs working more to pay for private school.
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jambalady
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Re: Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
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Posted by ElizaRags35
How are the parents expected to be involved when they can't understand anything that's being taught? i.e. math
Whether you understand the content or not, as a parent you should be a role model and a support system for your kids regardless. Teach them about the world around them, reinforce basic concepts, read with them, make sure you convey the value and importance of education, be involved in their school life, offer guidance as needed...............basically, be a parent. Kids can't succeed and flourish without parents taking an active role in their life. If you really don't know how to help them with a specific subject then as a parent, it's on you to see they get the extra help they need in order to learn. (Tutor, extra help, etc)
I get all that.
I think I'm just thrown off by the 50%, which is why I wanted to read more to understand where that may have been coming from.
To me, it would seem that teachers should be responsible for 50% and parents for 30%. Not the other way around.
Teachers are with the children 7-8 hours a day. Most parents (especially working parents) are with their children for 2-3 hours a day. School is for learning. Home is for reinforcing.
Every moment can't be a teaching moment. It's just not realistic in day and age. In that 2-3 hours from when I get home from work I need to bathe my children, give them dinner, do their homework, and put them to bed.
and for those, who have 2/3/4 kids, how realistic is it that you have an hour each (minimum) to spend with them on homework?
And, I'm not talking about kids who are struggling and need extra help. In those instances, of course, it is the parent's responsibility to get them the help they need, whether it is a tutor, or something else.
I'm saying, for your average child, I would expect the bulk of the "learning skills" to come from school.
ETA: I think parents are fully responsible for developing a child's openness to learning, but teachers are the ones who teach the actual skills, if that makes sense.
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How are the parents expected to be involved when they can't understand anything that's being taught? i.e. math
Whether you understand the content or not, as a parent you should be a role model and a support system for your kids regardless. Teach them about the world around them, reinforce basic concepts, read with them, make sure you convey the value and importance of education, be involved in their school life, offer guidance as needed...............basically, be a parent. Kids can't succeed and flourish without parents taking an active role in their life. If you really don't know how to help them with a specific subject then as a parent, it's on you to see they get the extra help they need in order to learn. (Tutor, extra help, etc)
Well that's obvious. I meant literally helping them with their homework.
My DD is in first grade. The way the math is taught has thrown me off, but I've been able to figure it out. I don't know what will happen down the line as she goes into middle and high school but in the past I've emailed her teacher and she gets back to me quickly. I hope that continues to be the case. At least with math, 2+2 is always 4 and if I have to show DD how I used to get to those answers than that's what I will do.
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Re: Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
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How are the parents expected to be involved when they can't understand anything that's being taught? i.e. math
Whether you understand the content or not, as a parent you should be a role model and a support system for your kids regardless. Teach them about the world around them, reinforce basic concepts, read with them, make sure you convey the value and importance of education, be involved in their school life, offer guidance as needed...............basically, be a parent. Kids can't succeed and flourish without parents taking an active role in their life. If you really don't know how to help them with a specific subject then as a parent, it's on you to see they get the extra help they need in order to learn. (Tutor, extra help, etc)
Well that's obvious. I meant literally helping them with their homework.
My DD is in first grade. The way the math is taught has thrown me off, but I've been able to figure it out. I don't know what will happen down the line as she goes into middle and high school but in the past I've emailed her teacher and she gets back to me quickly. I hope that continues to be the case. At least with math, 2+2 is always 4 and if I have to show DD how I used to get to those answers than that's what I will do.
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Re: Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
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Posted by Hofstra26
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How are the parents expected to be involved when they can't understand anything that's being taught? i.e. math
Whether you understand the content or not, as a parent you should be a role model and a support system for your kids regardless. Teach them about the world around them, reinforce basic concepts, read with them, make sure you convey the value and importance of education, be involved in their school life, offer guidance as needed...............basically, be a parent. Kids can't succeed and flourish without parents taking an active role in their life. If you really don't know how to help them with a specific subject then as a parent, it's on you to see they get the extra help they need in order to learn. (Tutor, extra help, etc)
Well that's obvious. I meant literally helping them with their homework.
My DD is in first grade. The way the math is taught has thrown me off, but I've been able to figure it out. I don't know what will happen down the line as she goes into middle and high school but in the past I've emailed her teacher and she gets back to me quickly. I hope that continues to be the case. At least with math, 2+2 is always 4 and if I have to show DD how I used to get to those answers than that's what I will do.
I agree with your approach. When I taught 5th grade SO many parents found the math specifically very confusing and they struggled with helping their kids. I even found with the math that the methods they used to show the kids how to solve the problem were SO much more complicated then they needed to be sometimes. I use to teach certain concepts the way I was taught and the kids got it so much more easily. I told the parents to do the same.
As a parent, do the best you can and if you need to show them another way to arrive at the answer or learn a concept, go for it. Like you said, 2+2 will always be 4...........there is no one perfect way to arrive at the answer.
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Re: Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
Posted by jambalady
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by ElizaRags35
How are the parents expected to be involved when they can't understand anything that's being taught? i.e. math
Whether you understand the content or not, as a parent you should be a role model and a support system for your kids regardless. Teach them about the world around them, reinforce basic concepts, read with them, make sure you convey the value and importance of education, be involved in their school life, offer guidance as needed...............basically, be a parent. Kids can't succeed and flourish without parents taking an active role in their life. If you really don't know how to help them with a specific subject then as a parent, it's on you to see they get the extra help they need in order to learn. (Tutor, extra help, etc)
I get all that.
I think I'm just thrown off by the 50%, which is why I wanted to read more to understand where that may have been coming from.
To me, it would seem that teachers should be responsible for 50% and parents for 30%. Not the other way around.
Teachers are with the children 7-8 hours a day. Most parents (especially working parents) are with their children for 2-3 hours a day. School is for learning. Home is for reinforcing.
Every moment can't be a teaching moment. It's just not realistic in day and age. In that 2-3 hours from when I get home from work I need to bathe my children, give them dinner, do their homework, and put them to bed.
and for those, who have 2/3/4 kids, how realistic is it that you have an hour each (minimum) to spend with them on homework?
And, I'm not talking about kids who are struggling and need extra help. In those instances, of course, it is the parent's responsibility to get them the help they need, whether it is a tutor, or something else.
I'm saying, for your average child, I would expect the bulk of the "learning skills" to come from school.
ETA: I think parents are fully responsible for developing a child's openness to learning, but teachers are the ones who teach the actual skills, if that makes sense.
Teachers cant teach life experiences, thats where the parents come in. Take them to a baseball game talk to them about the positions, how the game is played etc. this will help them if there is a book read about baseball (for example). Cook with them, show them the tools used, discuss how and why and there names. Kids need prior knowledge, that comes from home.
Sometimes i spend a whole lesson discussing and explaining something that has little to do with the lesson because the students know nothing about it anf they need to, to follow a story
I know it sounds obvious or silly but i have first graders who dont know what baseball is. I have first graders who dont know their siblings names. So while im sure many of you talk to your kids and develop their prior knowledge And give them experiences, many dont.
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Re: Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
Posted by jambalady
I get all that.
I think I'm just thrown off by the 50%, which is why I wanted to read more to understand where that may have been coming from.
I believe whoever heard about this 50% most likely misheard or misinterpreted what was meant by it. I have never heard of this. The idea behind common core is not bad - it is just the implementation.
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Re: Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
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Teachers cant teach life experiences, thats where the parents come in. Take them to a baseball game talk to them about the positions, how the game is played etc. this will help them if there is a book read about baseball (for example). Cook with them, show them the tools used, discuss how and why and there names. Kids need prior knowledge, that comes from home.
Sometimes i spend a whole lesson discussing and explaining something that has little to do with the lesson because the students know nothing about it anf they need to, to follow a story
I know it sounds obvious or silly but i have first graders who dont know what baseball is. I have first graders who dont know their siblings names. So while im sure many of you talk to your kids and develop their prior knowledge And give them experiences, many dont.
I think that when you talk about "life experiences" you start to get into a really dangerous territory of social, cultural, and economic disadvantage/bias.
knowing your siblings name is one thing. understanding what baseball is or cooking utensils are is another.
And, I say this from personal experience. As an immigrant to this country, I would never have known in the 1st grade what baseball was, or a whisk or a measuring cup. Those things were not part of my culture.
HOwever, my mom, who didn't understand any English, always stressed how important it was to pay attention to school and respect my teachers, and took me to the library on the weekends. So, that I can read about things and expand my universe of knowledge.
That's why I say receptiveness to learning is so different from actual teaching.
And I know this is completely off topic to my OP, but that's why I get nervous when the expectation for parents to "teach" gets to be too heavy handed.
School and education should be a level playing field for all students, no matter what kinds of backgrounds they come from.
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Re: Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
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Posted by jambalady
I get all that.
I think I'm just thrown off by the 50%, which is why I wanted to read more to understand where that may have been coming from.
I believe whoever heard about this 50% most likely misheard or misinterpreted what was meant by it. I have never heard of this. The idea behind common core is not bad - it is just the implementation.
I agree. my SIL also agreed that the idea behind common core was good and in reading the 12 shifts, I understand what they were trying to do.
It really was the 50% statement that threw me off.
I completely agree that parental involvement is a huge part of how well a child does in school.
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Re: Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
Posted by jambalady
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Teachers cant teach life experiences, thats where the parents come in. Take them to a baseball game talk to them about the positions, how the game is played etc. this will help them if there is a book read about baseball (for example). Cook with them, show them the tools used, discuss how and why and there names. Kids need prior knowledge, that comes from home.
Sometimes i spend a whole lesson discussing and explaining something that has little to do with the lesson because the students know nothing about it anf they need to, to follow a story
I know it sounds obvious or silly but i have first graders who dont know what baseball is. I have first graders who dont know their siblings names. So while im sure many of you talk to your kids and develop their prior knowledge And give them experiences, many dont.
I think that when you talk about "life experiences" you start to get into a really dangerous territory of social, cultural, and economic disadvantage/bias.
knowing your siblings name is one thing. understanding what baseball is or cooking utensils are is another.
And, I say this from personal experience. As an immigrant to this country, I would never have known in the 1st grade what baseball was, or a whisk or a measuring cup. Those things were not part of my culture.
HOwever, my mom, who didn't understand any English, always stressed how important it was to pay attention to school and respect my teachers, and took me to the library on the weekends. So, that I can read about things and expand my universe of knowledge.
That's why I say receptiveness to learning is so different from actual teaching.
And I know this is completely off topic to my OP, but that's why I get nervous when the expectation for parents to "teach" gets to be too heavy handed.
School and education should be a level playing field for all students, no matter what kinds of backgrounds they come from.
I was in no way trying to insult anyone, but im only saying what I see as an challange in the classroom. I do not think any 1st grader has to be an expert in cooking or baseball i was inly saying that it helps when they have some understanding of it, something to make a connection to. this comes from just taljing to your child when you turn on the TV and see a baseball game on.
This is reality. Its not a level playing field because of social, cultural and economic disadvantages you mentioned but the common core doesnt in my opinion take this into account.
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Re: Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
Posted by jambalady
I think that when you talk about "life experiences" you start to get into a really dangerous territory of social, cultural, and economic disadvantage/bias.
knowing your siblings name is one thing. understanding what baseball is or cooking utensils are is another.
You are absolutely correct--and that is a huge problem that may educational researchers who are opposed to the program have with it.
Kids are not all starting from the same spot. It is easy to say, " take your kid to a museum", but that's not realistic for some people who may not have the money for transportation & admission or for a sitter for younger kids, or who have to work on weekends.
And to be honest, there are some parents who just don't care and those kids are always at a disadvantage through not fault of their own. It has always been that way, but if more emphasis is put on learning outside of school, those kids are at more of a disadvantage.
Do schools do field trips anymore or do they have to cut them to save money and because they need more time in class for testing & training for testing?
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Re: Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
Posted by DiamondGirl
Honestly successful students are such because their parents are involved and invested in their education.
As far as a strict 50% rule--that does not really make sense--but parents should hold themselves accountable for the majority of their childs learning.
My son is with me the majority of the time, he learns from us.
Parents who think they can send their kids to school from 8-3pm and do not need to do educational activities to reinforce their childs schoolwork whether that be letters, numbers or taking their children to museums are really delusional.
Absolutely!!! As teachers, we see soooo many kids coming to school not knowing letters or how to count. What happened for the first FIVE years???
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Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
"A child educated only at school is an uneducated child."
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