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Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
See ... I took it completely different.
I read the OP and while we can't find this as fact ... I took it to mean the teachers handle the common core teachings. Teaching to test (all the nutty math ... Basically just teaching what the materials say to teach). Since many say this new system is taking away from exploring other areas or taking away from history (for example) - that's where parents come in.
I'm awful at math but at home I have my child learn about history and science. I feel like with CC, that's the sort of teachings we need to do at home now more.
Unless I'm completely wrong !
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Re: Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
Posted by MissJones
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Honestly successful students are such because their parents are involved and invested in their education.
As far as a strict 50% rule--that does not really make sense--but parents should hold themselves accountable for the majority of their childs learning.
My son is with me the majority of the time, he learns from us.
Parents who think they can send their kids to school from 8-3pm and do not need to do educational activities to reinforce their childs schoolwork whether that be letters, numbers or taking their children to museums are really delusional.
Absolutely!!! As teachers, we see soooo many kids coming to school not knowing letters or how to count. What happened for the first FIVE years???
That's awful.
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Re: Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
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I think that when you talk about "life experiences" you start to get into a really dangerous territory of social, cultural, and economic disadvantage/bias.
knowing your siblings name is one thing. understanding what baseball is or cooking utensils are is another.
You are absolutely correct--and that is a huge problem that may educational researchers who are opposed to the program have with it.
Kids are not all starting from the same spot. It is easy to say, " take your kid to a museum", but that's not realistic for some people who may not have the money for transportation & admission or for a sitter for younger kids, or who have to work on weekends.
And to be honest, there are some parents who just don't care and those kids are always at a disadvantage through not fault of their own. It has always been that way, but if more emphasis is put on learning outside of school, those kids are at more of a disadvantage.
Do schools do field trips anymore or do they have to cut them to save money and because they need more time in class for testing & training for testing?
Museum "fees" are donation recommendations - if you walk up to the counter and have no money to pay the "recommended donation" they will not and cannot charge you. If someone gives you a hard time, request to see a manager. My father took us from very young ages when he barely had 2 pennies to rub together, and he would hand them $1 and say that's all he had, but when you've got 2 young children especially, they let you in - that's what the donations from uber wealthy are for. I was 6 my brother was 3 when I can REMEMBER us going, and I can tell you we were going even younger than that.
If you are going for a whole day, pack a lunch that stays good in your bag, there are cafeterias in almost every NYC museum.
It's unfortunate that more people don't realize this about museums, especially the ones in NYC, but it's true. Plenty of people go without paying a dime, and that's OK.
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Re: Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
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Posted by jambalady
I think that when you talk about "life experiences" you start to get into a really dangerous territory of social, cultural, and economic disadvantage/bias.
knowing your siblings name is one thing. understanding what baseball is or cooking utensils are is another.
You are absolutely correct--and that is a huge problem that may educational researchers who are opposed to the program have with it.
Kids are not all starting from the same spot. It is easy to say, " take your kid to a museum", but that's not realistic for some people who may not have the money for transportation & admission or for a sitter for younger kids, or who have to work on weekends.
And to be honest, there are some parents who just don't care and those kids are always at a disadvantage through not fault of their own. It has always been that way, but if more emphasis is put on learning outside of school, those kids are at more of a disadvantage.
Do schools do field trips anymore or do they have to cut them to save money and because they need more time in class for testing & training for testing?
Museum "fees" are donation recommendations - if you walk up to the counter and have no money to pay the "recommended donation" they will not and cannot charge you. If someone gives you a hard time, request to see a manager. My father took us from very young ages when he barely had 2 pennies to rub together, and he would hand them $1 and say that's all he had, but when you've got 2 young children especially, they let you in - that's what the donations from uber wealthy are for. I was 6 my brother was 3 when I can REMEMBER us going, and I can tell you we were going even younger than that.
If you are going for a whole day, pack a lunch that stays good in your bag, there are cafeterias in almost every NYC museum.
It's unfortunate that more people don't realize this about museums, especially the ones in NYC, but it's true. Plenty of people go without paying a dime, and that's OK.
Exactly.
Also what about libraries? They are free. Taking books out of the library is free, sure maybe you can't afford to take you're kid to Europe but you can take a book or video out of the library and teach them with that.
There are tons of educational activites all over NYC that are free especially for those who are really in need.
The reality is, which any educator can tell you, is some people cannot be bothered to do these things with their children and that is really sad. Successful schools are based on parents as much as if not more than teachers!
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Re: Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
Posted by tourist
Posted by jambalady
I think that when you talk about "life experiences" you start to get into a really dangerous territory of social, cultural, and economic disadvantage/bias.
knowing your siblings name is one thing. understanding what baseball is or cooking utensils are is another.
You are absolutely correct--and that is a huge problem that may educational researchers who are opposed to the program have with it.
Kids are not all starting from the same spot. It is easy to say, " take your kid to a museum", but that's not realistic for some people who may not have the money for transportation & admission or for a sitter for younger kids, or who have to work on weekends.
And to be honest, there are some parents who just don't care and those kids are always at a disadvantage through not fault of their own. It has always been that way, but if more emphasis is put on learning outside of school, those kids are at more of a disadvantage.
Do schools do field trips anymore or do they have to cut them to save money and because they need more time in class for testing & training for testing?
The playing field isn't level, and CC does nothing to address that, but teachers are still being held to unrealistic standards given that factor. I used to teach in a very poor neighborhood and some of the parents were involved, and their kids did well, but some of the parents had no interest at all. And those kids often fell through the cracks.
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Re: Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
Posted by DiamondGirl
Honestly successful students are such because their parents are involved and invested in their education.
As far as a strict 50% rule--that does not really make sense--but parents should hold themselves accountable for the majority of their childs learning.
My son is with me the majority of the time, he learns from us.
Parents who think they can send their kids to school from 8-3pm and do not need to do educational activities to reinforce their childs schoolwork whether that be letters, numbers or taking their children to museums are really delusional.
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Re: Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
im just going to say this.
(and there are always exceptions to the rule)
most successful kids come from parents who show their children that they VALUE education.
the parents may not be the smartest and maybe cannot help with math homework, but these parents respect education, respect teachers, and their children know that.
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Re: Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
Posted by Dani
im just going to say this.
(and there are always exceptions to the rule)
most successful kids come from parents who show their children that they VALUE education.
the parents may not be the smartest and maybe cannot help with math homework, but these parents respect education, respect teachers, and their children know that.
I concur!!!
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Re: Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
Posted by Dani
im just going to say this.
(and there are always exceptions to the rule)
most successful kids come from parents who show their children that they VALUE education.
the parents may not be the smartest and maybe cannot help with math homework, but these parents respect education, respect teachers, and their children know that.
Very true. I knew parents who had minimal formal education and didn't speak good English- but they knew school was important and made sure their kids knew it too. There were exceptions but not many.
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Re: Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
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im just going to say this.
(and there are always exceptions to the rule)
most successful kids come from parents who show their children that they VALUE education.
the parents may not be the smartest and maybe cannot help with math homework, but these parents respect education, respect teachers, and their children know that.
Very true. I knew parents who had minimal formal education and didn't speak good English- but they knew school was important and made sure their kids knew it too. There were exceptions but not many.
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Re: Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
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"A child educated only at school is an uneducated child."
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Re: Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
Posted by PitterPatter11
I have never heard that and I am a teacher. I do believe, however, that parents provide one of the most important building blocks for their children to be successful in school (ie reading to them, making sure they do their HW, instilling value in education, etc.)
I am also a teacher and never heard of this.
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Re: Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
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How are the parents expected to be involved when they can't understand anything that's being taught? i.e. math
Whether you understand the content or not, as a parent you should be a role model and a support system for your kids regardless. Teach them about the world around them, reinforce basic concepts, read with them, make sure you convey the value and importance of education, be involved in their school life, offer guidance as needed...............basically, be a parent. Kids can't succeed and flourish without parents taking an active role in their life. If you really don't know how to help them with a specific subject then as a parent, it's on you to see they get the extra help they need in order to learn. (Tutor, extra help, etc)
I get all that.
I think I'm just thrown off by the 50%, which is why I wanted to read more to understand where that may have been coming from.
To me, it would seem that teachers should be responsible for 50% and parents for 30%. Not the other way around.
Teachers are with the children 7-8 hours a day. Most parents (especially working parents) are with their children for 2-3 hours a day. School is for learning. Home is for reinforcing.
Every moment can't be a teaching moment. It's just not realistic in day and age. In that 2-3 hours from when I get home from work I need to bathe my children, give them dinner, do their homework, and put them to bed.
and for those, who have 2/3/4 kids, how realistic is it that you have an hour each (minimum) to spend with them on homework?
And, I'm not talking about kids who are struggling and need extra help. In those instances, of course, it is the parent's responsibility to get them the help they need, whether it is a tutor, or something else.
I'm saying, for your average child, I would expect the bulk of the "learning skills" to come from school.
ETA: I think parents are fully responsible for developing a child's openness to learning, but teachers are the ones who teach the actual skills, if that makes sense.
Teachers cant teach life experiences, thats where the parents come in. Take them to a baseball game talk to them about the positions, how the game is played etc. this will help them if there is a book read about baseball (for example). Cook with them, show them the tools used, discuss how and why and there names. Kids need prior knowledge, that comes from home.
Sometimes i spend a whole lesson discussing and explaining something that has little to do with the lesson because the students know nothing about it anf they need to, to follow a story
I know it sounds obvious or silly but i have first graders who dont know what baseball is. I have first graders who dont know their siblings names. So while im sure many of you talk to your kids and develop their prior knowledge And give them experiences, many dont.
ITA. I work in special ed and many of my students are from less affluent areas. I am honestly shocked at the lack of background knowledge that my students have. I had a group the other day and not one child had ever been to a zoo. Ever. On the flip side my brother had significant learning disabilities. My Mom had 4 kids and was a single working Mom. She made a point of taking us somewhere every single weekend. Many times both days.. museums, Old Bethpage (we were ALWAYS there) etc. One teacher commented to her that my brother's background knowledge was astounding. She said that it truly helped him overcome so much of his disability. So yes, in that case parent teaching helped him. She didn't pull out workbooks. She got us out there in the world and taught us. It's your job as a parent to shut off the tv and xbox and give your child experiences. People often say they can't believe how much we do with DS on the weekends. I joke that we have ADD and can't sit still. In reality, DH and I agree that the most important thing we can do with DS is show him the world. It can be expensive but, it is invaluable. We look for low cost options and get memberships to places. Take your kids for a walk in the woods. Read the paper for free events. There is a free "touch a truck show" at Bayshore mall. Get on a train and ride to the city and walk around. Plan meals and go food shopping together to buy the ingredients.. with a shopping list. An Empire pass is 60$ and gets you into the beaches year round (T.R center at Jones Beach), walking the dunes and looking at seasonal changes. It gets you into the Planting Fields with the greenhouses. If you really want to be involved and give your child the best shot you will try. Economically disadvantaged or not. There are tons of free things you can do. Tons.
It is 100% apparent which parents show children that they value education and learning and which don't.
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Re: Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
I'm not arguing with anyone here that I don't think parent involvement is key and that you learn so much outside of the traditional setting.
All I am saying is that I don't want to be responsible for TEACHING 50% of the actual curriculum. (math, ELA, etc.)
And, if there is some expectation of base "experiences" that children need in order to do well, then I have issues with school not being a level playing field.
I came from an extremely poor family. We had no money for the zoo and the museum. Weekends were helping my mom clean the house, taking the clothes to the laudromat (which took a good half of the day) and a treat would be when she took me to the library and I took out 10-15 books.
But she stressed the importance of an education, and made me understand that school was my #1 priority.
I graduated law school and am an executive at a top institution.
All I am saying is that if there was an expectation for my parents to "teach" me more, maybe I never would have done as well as I did, BECAUSE school was where I developed my core math/english skills and because I was ready to absorb everything the teachers were teaching.
I loved school.
My mom's responsibility was to teach me the right mindset and openness to learning, not the actual skills.
That's all I meant by my post. Not that parents should be taking a back seat.
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Re: Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
Posted by Dani
im just going to say this.
(and there are always exceptions to the rule)
most successful kids come from parents who show their children that they VALUE education.
the parents may not be the smartest and maybe cannot help with math homework, but these parents respect education, respect teachers, and their children know that.
That was actually the ONLY point I was trying to make!
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Re: Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
Of course the home environment is going to affect a child and how well or poorly they do.
But, I also am starting to realize that as a parent I can only do so much. Yes I can support the learning environment, make sure their hw is done, communicate with their teachers, expose them to learning everywhere, take away privileges if they don't do their work, etc.
However, kids are individuals with unique personalities and will. They are eventually going to have some drive/motivation that comes from within and that I can't control.
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Re: Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
Posted by jambalady
All I am saying is that I don't want to be responsible for TEACHING 50% of the actual curriculum. (math, ELA, etc.)
I think that is a valid question. It doesn't seem that your kids are going to being a syllabus, and be told, "OK, this is what we will cover in class and the rest is for you to learn at home", but many parents & teachers have said that since they spend so much time on things they will be tested on, other areas like science & history, get neglected. This article you read may be referring to the fact that parents have to step in more in those areas.
And yes, that does put certain children at a disadvantage.
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Re: Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
A sort of related question that I'm just wondering about - does the common core extend to private schools and catholic schools? Do they also have to teach to this standard? I assume so, but I'm just wondering.
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Re: Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
Posted by SeaWolf
A sort of related question that I'm just wondering about - does the common core extend to private schools and catholic schools? Do they also have to teach to this standard? I assume so, but I'm just wondering.
I know the Catholic schools in my area (Queens) are doing common core--I think they can elect to or not to, bot exactly sure
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Re: Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
 glad i could help lol!
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Re: Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
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Posted by SeaWolf
A sort of related question that I'm just wondering about - does the common core extend to private schools and catholic schools? Do they also have to teach to this standard? I assume so, but I'm just wondering.
I know the Catholic schools in my area (Queens) are doing common core--I think they can elect to or not to, bot exactly sure
As far as I know all catholic schools in the Brooklyn Queens diocese and the Archdiocese have to follow the common core. The teachers are getting tons of pd on it, they just don't test in every grade, at least not yet, so far it's just 4 6 And 8
Eat. In the Brooklyn queens diocese they take a standardized test called the terra nova in October grades 3 and up and I know it was changed this year to align more with the cc and it was really hard and long
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Re: Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
I think there are lots of lazy parents out there IMO. As a matter of fact I know someone who is one and their children have suffered for it. I think statements like this are meant to try and get the lazy parent to do SOMETHING.
On another note, I have twins. One of my boys excels at everything he puts his mind to as far as learning and school. He is awesome at lots of things. So is my other son(he can build the most intricate lego pieces, traps, forts, etc.) He understands how to put something together. He has a wicked sense of humor. His handwriting and coloring is atrocious though! Looking at him you might think I never worked with my kids, but that is not the case...
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Re: Common core - 50% of a child's education should be from their parents
Posted by Dani
im just going to say this.
(and there are always exceptions to the rule)
most successful kids come from parents who show their children that they VALUE education.
the parents may not be the smartest and maybe cannot help with math homework, but these parents respect education, respect teachers, and their children know that.
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