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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by hazeleyes33
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I may be out of touch. I admit that. But I would not drink at all while out with my kids--anywhere, on any vacation, etc. I don't neeed or want to be altered at all; they don't need to see alcohol consumption; and I'd ratehr not even have to think about navigating the line between ok to drive/not ok to drive, or ok to interact with kids and a bit too happy to deal with kids, etc.
That's just me. But then again, I don't get why or how drinking is the centerpiece of so many things taht are supposed to be fun in and of tehmselves, like barbeques, professional baseball games, hockey games, fishing, bowling, camping, etc. etc. etc. I don't get it.
I don't think there is anything wrong with drinking in front of children and it should not be something that is "evil" or "negative" BUT....I do NOT believe in being stupid drunk in front of your kids and NEVER driving with or without them after drinking.
I don't think it's evil; it's just something I don't think is important to do.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
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I may be out of touch. I admit that. But I would not drink at all while out with my kids--anywhere, on any vacation, etc. I don't neeed or want to be altered at all; they don't need to see alcohol consumption; and I'd ratehr not even have to think about navigating the line between ok to drive/not ok to drive, or ok to interact with kids and a bit too happy to deal with kids, etc.
That's just me. But then again, I don't get why or how drinking is the centerpiece of so many things taht are supposed to be fun in and of tehmselves, like barbeques, professional baseball games, hockey games, fishing, bowling, camping, etc. etc. etc. I don't get it.
I don't think there is anything wrong with drinking in front of children and it should not be something that is "evil" or "negative" BUT....I do NOT believe in being stupid drunk in front of your kids and NEVER driving with or without them after drinking.
I don't think it's evil; it's just something I don't think is important to do.
What do you/would you say to your children about drinking then? Would you put it in a negative light?
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
We just got back from a family vacation, everyone drank in front of the kids... Beer, pina colodas, hard alcohol - you name it. There were also sober people there as well (my preggo self being one of them) None of them were driving, we were all in for the night, doing things like playing a family game of cards.
I don't think there is a problem with drinking in front of kids, obviously though, getting behind the wheel of a car with them is another story entirely.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by Diana1215
We just got back from a family vacation, everyone drank in front of the kids... Beer, pina colodas, hard alcohol - you name it. There were also sober people there as well (my preggo self being one of them) None of them were driving, we were all in for the night, doing things like playing a family game of cards.
I don't think there is a problem with drinking in front of kids, obviously though, getting behind the wheel of a car with them is another story entirely.
Exactly. Alcohol is legal. Kids are going to be exposed to it eventually. You can't shelter them from it forever.
I think as long as you drink responsibly in front of your children there is nothing wrong with it.
If alcohol is a big taboo all the time, I feel like they are going to want to run out and try it the first chance they get... just to see what this big taboo is all about.
I'd rather teach my kids about drinking responsibly than try to pretend it doesn't exist...
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| Posted 8/7/09 3:02 PM |
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by Jennie0898
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Had she survived the crash that killed some many and the BAC came back just as it did---NO ONE would be coming up with these health, medical, BS excuses for her.
She would be in jail.
It's not diabetes, or stroke, or pregnancy, or because it was Sunday that led to what happened.
She drank and drove.
She put the bottle knowingly to her mouth and drank, not sips, gulps.
She smoked weed with children in the car--not on a friday night in her home. In the car. On a sunday morning, with a bottle of vodka next to her.
No excuses
No reasoning
I completely agree.
There is absolutely NO excuse for what she did.
Period, end of story.
I agree also.. what drove her to do something like that though? She couldn't have been in her right mind. What person drinks or toots a blunt with kids in the car???? So sad
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| Posted 8/7/09 3:03 PM |
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by heathergirl
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2. Pot, unlike alcohol, from what I understand, can get in the air and affect those who are not using it, unlike alcohol.
I don't think this is true. The 'contact high' is a myth.
Not that its relevant in this situation at all, but thought i'd just point that out.
I would DEFINITELY beg to differ.
i havent really been following this whole thread... but i just had to comment that a "contact high" is not a myth
i think it all depends on the person... just like it takes someone ppl 5 beers to get 'drunk' and other people it only takes them 2 -- someone could get high off of a "contact high" & some people may not...i know i have many times in my day & im a small person.... so i think it effects me more
i've gotten a contact high when i'm crammed into a small room with a bunch of people smoking and i have also gotten a contact high in a living room with 3 people smoking
so i think it really depends on the person
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
To me the only explanation that would be acceptable at this point is if by some chance somebody messed up the results. Even if this woman wasn't feeling well that doesn't explain why she would down vodka and smoke up while driving. I wonder if they kept any blood to run a back up test? But I suppose that wouldn't explain how there was vodka in her system, right?
I just don't understand the whole thing. Either she was a closet drunk, which is very possible, or this woman did something very out of character for her. I really hope the police are looking around the house and seeing if there are any signs of a bad marriage or alcoholism.
As far as them taking vodka with them for a camping trip, that's a rough one to weigh in on. I drink in front of my kids and I don't have a problem with parents drinking in front of kids but I'm not sure that as the only parents responsible for 5 kids that bringing vodka was very responsible.
I also think that for people that are classified as social drinkers it is very strange to me that they would bring vodka on a family camping trip. To me that's what heavy drinkers would do. Again not saying that makes them alcoholics, there's a difference. But I don't think a social drinker would bring vodka on a family camping trip.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by Kierasmom
As far as them taking vodka with them for a camping trip, that's a rough one to weigh in on. I drink in front of my kids and I don't have a problem with parents drinking in front of kids but I'm not sure that as the only parents responsible for 5 kids that bringing vodka was very responsible.
I also think that for people that are classified as social drinkers it is very strange to me that they would bring vodka on a family camping trip. To me that's what heavy drinkers would do. Again not saying that makes them alcoholics, there's a difference. But I don't think a social drinker would bring vodka on a family camping trip.
Eh, I think what you're saying is really subjective.
I know people who hate the taste of beer. They'll never drink it, they only drink mixed drinks a la, vodka/orange juice, vodka cranberry juice, mojitos, margaritas, you get the point.
So now if they wanted to drink while away camping while everyone else is having a beer or two why shouldn't they bring what they drink, ya know?
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| Posted 8/7/09 4:33 PM |
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
I did not want to say it the first time this was reported on here but from the moment I heard about what happened I knew that she was drunk. I was surprised to hear she was also on drugs but drunk - I just knew it.
I kept telling my family, just wait until they do the tests on her.
After a while, these types of crashes become so common and so similar to each other that you start to be able to "call it". When I first read about this, I thought of the flowergirl/limo driver crash on the Meadowbrook and my gut just said she was drunk. 
It enrages me that this is so common it is becoming a bi-weekly event. 
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Just an FYI CPS is getting involved now due to the new evidence and a call from the Westchester DA. They want to know if he in fact knew what his wife was doing
Sources: Daniel Schuler probed by Child Protective Services
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Intersting. I'm curious to see what they uncover.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by Jennie0898
Posted by Kierasmom
As far as them taking vodka with them for a camping trip, that's a rough one to weigh in on. I drink in front of my kids and I don't have a problem with parents drinking in front of kids but I'm not sure that as the only parents responsible for 5 kids that bringing vodka was very responsible.
I also think that for people that are classified as social drinkers it is very strange to me that they would bring vodka on a family camping trip. To me that's what heavy drinkers would do. Again not saying that makes them alcoholics, there's a difference. But I don't think a social drinker would bring vodka on a family camping trip.
Eh, I think what you're saying is really subjective.
I know people who hate the taste of beer. They'll never drink it, they only drink mixed drinks a la, vodka/orange juice, vodka cranberry juice, mojitos, margaritas, you get the point.
So now if they wanted to drink while away camping while everyone else is having a beer or two why shouldn't they bring what they drink, ya know?
I myself do not drink beer and I only drink mixed drinks. It's not that it was vodka that bothers me. I'm not so sure it was appropriate for them to bring alcohol in general. From what I understand they were the only parents on this trip, right? My point is people who classify themselves as social drinkers would not bring alcohol on a family camping trip where they are the sole guardians of 5 children. I also don't think an occasional pot smoker would bring pot in this case.
If this was a camping trip of several families then I could see them bringing alcohol and even pot. But I thought it was just the 2 of them and the 5 kids. That doesn't sound like a party weekend to me.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by Kierasmom
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As far as them taking vodka with them for a camping trip, that's a rough one to weigh in on. I drink in front of my kids and I don't have a problem with parents drinking in front of kids but I'm not sure that as the only parents responsible for 5 kids that bringing vodka was very responsible.
I also think that for people that are classified as social drinkers it is very strange to me that they would bring vodka on a family camping trip. To me that's what heavy drinkers would do. Again not saying that makes them alcoholics, there's a difference. But I don't think a social drinker would bring vodka on a family camping trip.
Eh, I think what you're saying is really subjective.
I know people who hate the taste of beer. They'll never drink it, they only drink mixed drinks a la, vodka/orange juice, vodka cranberry juice, mojitos, margaritas, you get the point.
So now if they wanted to drink while away camping while everyone else is having a beer or two why shouldn't they bring what they drink, ya know?
I myself do not drink beer and I only drink mixed drinks. It's not that it was vodka that bothers me. I'm not so sure it was appropriate for them to bring alcohol in general. From what I understand they were the only parents on this trip, right? My point is people who classify themselves as social drinkers would not bring alcohol on a family camping trip where they are the sole guardians of 5 children. I also don't think an occasional pot smoker would bring pot in this case.
If this was a camping trip of several families then I could see them bringing alcohol and even pot. But I thought it was just the 2 of them and the 5 kids. That doesn't sound like a party weekend to me.
Ok, I see what you're saying. Good point.
IDK. Obviously, there's a lot more to this story then any of us know.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
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Posted by Kierasmom
As far as them taking vodka with them for a camping trip, that's a rough one to weigh in on. I drink in front of my kids and I don't have a problem with parents drinking in front of kids but I'm not sure that as the only parents responsible for 5 kids that bringing vodka was very responsible.
I also think that for people that are classified as social drinkers it is very strange to me that they would bring vodka on a family camping trip. To me that's what heavy drinkers would do. Again not saying that makes them alcoholics, there's a difference. But I don't think a social drinker would bring vodka on a family camping trip.
Eh, I think what you're saying is really subjective.
I know people who hate the taste of beer. They'll never drink it, they only drink mixed drinks a la, vodka/orange juice, vodka cranberry juice, mojitos, margaritas, you get the point.
So now if they wanted to drink while away camping while everyone else is having a beer or two why shouldn't they bring what they drink, ya know?
I myself do not drink beer and I only drink mixed drinks. It's not that it was vodka that bothers me. I'm not so sure it was appropriate for them to bring alcohol in general. From what I understand they were the only parents on this trip, right? My point is people who classify themselves as social drinkers would not bring alcohol on a family camping trip where they are the sole guardians of 5 children. I also don't think an occasional pot smoker would bring pot in this case.
If this was a camping trip of several families then I could see them bringing alcohol and even pot. But I thought it was just the 2 of them and the 5 kids. That doesn't sound like a party weekend to me.
The campgrounds they camped at is a popular family site though and people all knew them, the sites are close together and its not a "Remote" type of thing, seems liek everyone knew each other and everyone was a repeat camper...Grounds were purchased by the season...so they were often there, so in a way it kinda was like a "family" type thing kwim?
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
I gotta say.......Im starting to feel bad for the father.
He lost his entire family, then the facts come out that his wife was drunk and stoned.....then finds out that she was a regular at a bar and was unhappy in their marriage......and now CPS is after him. Alot of "dirty laundry" is now coming out and Im sure it goes way beyond humiliation.
I feel truly sorry for this poor guy b/c his wife was such a careless piece of $hit and now it all remains on him. I know how much she was admired and maybe she was a good person......but only SHE knows what she was doing......noone else.
Her husband.....I admit........my heart goes out to him. There are alot of things hes only finding out now after she is gone and he'll never have the opportunity to get an answer and he'll never have the opportunity to ask When? Why? How?
Many may disagree w/ me......but how can he be held responsible for what his "adult" wife did when the majority of what she did......he wasn't even there.? Of course, this is to say.....that he was unaware of her problem.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Just have to add my 2 cents about the vodka found at the crash site.
That camping area is VERY remote, I'm familiar with the area. It wouldn't be crazy to assume that they brought pretty much everything they'd need for the weekend with them (food, paper goods, etc) since the area is remote and IF there is a store on-site or right nearby, it would be $$ to buy stuff there. So I could see why someone would bring alcohol with them if they wanted a drink or two while camping.
In no way am I condoning what she did by ANY means, I am completely sickened by her actions, BUT, those are my feelings on why there could be vodka in the car on this type of outing (NOT that she had to drink it while driving, obviously!!!!!!).
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by nbc188
Just have to add my 2 cents about the vodka found at the crash site.
That camping area is VERY remote, I'm familiar with the area. It wouldn't be crazy to assume that they brought pretty much everything they'd need for the weekend with them (food, paper goods, etc) since the area is remote and IF there is a store on-site or right nearby, it would be $$ to buy stuff there. So I could see why someone would bring alcohol with them if they wanted a drink or two while camping.
In no way am I condoning what she did by ANY means, I am completely sickened by her actions, BUT, those are my feelings on why there could be vodka in the car on this type of outing (NOT that she had to drink it while driving, obviously!!!!!!).
I agree. I don't think it was strange to have Vodka with them on their weekend trip away. Maybe they wanted one drink at night? Who knows. I do however obviously do not agree with what she did, but I'm sure that many people going camping pack alcohol with them for the weekend - whether it be beer, vodka, or some other alcohol of choice.
As for the father - when watching that press conference I had to feel bad for him (despite his choice in attorney) he really seems (as did the SIL) that he had no clue about his wife and what she was up to, and he is still in denial with what was found. I sit here with so many unanswered questions that I think about day and night, and I can only imagine what the families must be feeling. Of course, if he knew what she was up to and that she had a problem and sent those poor kids with her anyway that would change my outlook entirely.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by Jennie0898
Posted by Kierasmom
As far as them taking vodka with them for a camping trip, that's a rough one to weigh in on. I drink in front of my kids and I don't have a problem with parents drinking in front of kids but I'm not sure that as the only parents responsible for 5 kids that bringing vodka was very responsible.
I also think that for people that are classified as social drinkers it is very strange to me that they would bring vodka on a family camping trip. To me that's what heavy drinkers would do. Again not saying that makes them alcoholics, there's a difference. But I don't think a social drinker would bring vodka on a family camping trip.
Eh, I think what you're saying is really subjective.
I know people who hate the taste of beer. They'll never drink it, they only drink mixed drinks a la, vodka/orange juice, vodka cranberry juice, mojitos, margaritas, you get the point.
So now if they wanted to drink while away camping while everyone else is having a beer or two why shouldn't they bring what they drink, ya know?
O'm one of them.. i HATE beer, can't drink it.. so when i go away and want to have a few drinks i have a vodka cranberry or something of that nature......
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by tray831
I gotta say.......Im starting to feel bad for the father.
He lost his entire family, then the facts come out that his wife was drunk and stoned.....then finds out that she was a regular at a bar and was unhappy in their marriage......and now CPS is after him.
OMG, I didn't hear she was a regular at a bar and unhappy in their marriage. I saw the interviews on Channel 12 w/the bartenders in their area and they said she never frequented bars. So sad.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/nassau/private-investigator-schuler-s-cell-made-2-calls-got-2-1.1357864
According to this link she talked to her brother at 11.30 and nothing was out of the ordinary. But this was said by an attorney working with DB.
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Posted by Diana1215
We just got back from a family vacation, everyone drank in front of the kids... Beer, pina colodas, hard alcohol - you name it. There were also sober people there as well (my preggo self being one of them) None of them were driving, we were all in for the night, doing things like playing a family game of cards.
I don't think there is a problem with drinking in front of kids, obviously though, getting behind the wheel of a car with them is another story entirely.
Well said. I couldn't have said it better myself. It is one thing when you are drinking responsibly. It is another to operate a motor vehicle.
My heart goes out to the families who lost loved ones in this crash and the innocent children who perished.
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This is a good article about the father's obnoxious lawyer http://www.newsday.com/columnists/joye-brown/lawyer-makes-returns-as-ringmaster-in-schuler-tragedy-1.1357862
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
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Posted by Kierasmom
As far as them taking vodka with them for a camping trip, that's a rough one to weigh in on. I drink in front of my kids and I don't have a problem with parents drinking in front of kids but I'm not sure that as the only parents responsible for 5 kids that bringing vodka was very responsible.
I also think that for people that are classified as social drinkers it is very strange to me that they would bring vodka on a family camping trip. To me that's what heavy drinkers would do. Again not saying that makes them alcoholics, there's a difference. But I don't think a social drinker would bring vodka on a family camping trip.
Eh, I think what you're saying is really subjective.
I know people who hate the taste of beer. They'll never drink it, they only drink mixed drinks a la, vodka/orange juice, vodka cranberry juice, mojitos, margaritas, you get the point.
So now if they wanted to drink while away camping while everyone else is having a beer or two why shouldn't they bring what they drink, ya know?
I myself do not drink beer and I only drink mixed drinks. It's not that it was vodka that bothers me. I'm not so sure it was appropriate for them to bring alcohol in general. From what I understand they were the only parents on this trip, right? My point is people who classify themselves as social drinkers would not bring alcohol on a family camping trip where they are the sole guardians of 5 children. I also don't think an occasional pot smoker would bring pot in this case.
If this was a camping trip of several families then I could see them bringing alcohol and even pot. But I thought it was just the 2 of them and the 5 kids. That doesn't sound like a party weekend to me.
Ok, I see what you're saying. Good point.
IDK. Obviously, there's a lot more to this story then any of us know.
ITA maybe a bottle of wine or two even the pot I don't have much of an issue with because lets face it, in MOST circumstances pot is less dangerous than alcohol. This is coming from a drinker too. I drink usually at home when my kids are in bed and I stop when I feel tipsy unless there is someone else to take responsibility for my kids.
I think like some others have said that she was on a mission. Fight with her DH, brother, who knows....but that is not a normal thing to do even as an alcoholic I don't think
ETA: I am NOT saying its all right to smoke pot/drink tons of vodka while driving children around, I just meant at the campsite
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