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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
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2. seaside - i have my own opinions about smoking marijuana, but how is smoking when you have kids any different than drinking?
i mean, if you hire a babysitter and decide to smoke marijuana, or decide to drink wine and get drunk, i don't see the difference (besides, obviously, the fact that one is illegal and the other isn't, but i don't think that is what you were referring to).
It's a fair question; here's my opinion, which is, obviously, JMO.
1. Smoking pot means you're possessing pot, as was mentioned, which means that you're breaking the law either with your kids, or at least while you're a parent. This not only sets a bad example, but it means you could get arrested, unlike drinking.
2. Pot, unlike alcohol, from what I understand, can get in the air and affect those who are not using it, unlike alcohol.
3. I don't think it's ok to become affected by alcohol while with one's kids. (not a difference, but I did want to mention this) &
4. My understanding is that people do pot to alter themselves, at least to some extent, whereas you can, legally, have a sip of alcohol in front of your kids and not wind up altered.
1. good point.
2. excellent point.
3. i personally don't agree with this - i would not get wasted, but if i am at a party with my kids, and either DH or i decides to be the DD, that means one of us will not drink at ALL, and someone is always responsible.
4. very true. i am not a pot smoker but i would assume that you can't smoke and not get high - whereas you CAN drink and not get buzzed/drunk.
thanks for clarifying! 
No problem.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
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I'm wondering if she didn't normally drink vodka. I don't know how different alcohols effect you guys personally, but I know for myself, I have a different reaction with vodka. It takes a while for it to hit me and then it hits me like a wall, whereas with wine, I feel it immediately (usually by the 2nd sip). Maybe she didn't get a quick buzz so she kept downing more vodka and then all of a sudden she's over the edge.
*I'm not making excuses, I just keep trying to figure out why or how someone could do this.  *
Good point...
This whole news conference reeks of an elaborate coverup.
ITA or they know more than what they are letting on hence why the other families are with the DA up there and with their lawyers. They speculate there is more to it.
Also to take on the medical examiner calling him/her a liar. They don't want something to be out in the open. The ME never lies in their reports. They tell it how it is. I learned that from watching years of Dr. G. I am not paying for this independent autopsy her husband can pay out of pocket. He is going to be paying alot for what his wife did.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Wow, the more I read the more I see that this guy is just in denial.
Dominic Barbara was also Mary Jo Buttafuco's lawyer
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
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I'm wondering if she didn't normally drink vodka. I don't know how different alcohols effect you guys personally, but I know for myself, I have a different reaction with vodka. It takes a while for it to hit me and then it hits me like a wall, whereas with wine, I feel it immediately (usually by the 2nd sip). Maybe she didn't get a quick buzz so she kept downing more vodka and then all of a sudden she's over the edge.
*I'm not making excuses, I just keep trying to figure out why or how someone could do this. *
Good point...
This whole news conference reeks of an elaborate coverup.
The attorney is a distraction.
What's next? Did the McDonald's employees put grain alcohol that she couldn't taste in her soda ? Did her stash of pot make its way into the minivan's ventilation system?
I also wonder why, in her one phone call of distress, she called her brother -- two hours away -- and not her husband, who depending on the version of the story, was either fishing or was in his truck on a nearby road.
My last conspiracy theory is that her brother suspected she was drunk but didn't use the word "drunk" in his call to the state troopers. If so, could he be considered an accomplice?
 for those who are grieving
I think that she either a previous alcohol problem or at some point lost it during the trip and needed a drink. Where that bottle originated from would give a clue and if people knew her to be a drinker (so far its mixed).
I think the alcohol hit her harder then she expected and when she attempted to talk to her brother she realized she wasn't going to fool him when she saw him. His daughter had to explain where they were.
At that point I think she freaked out and left the phone on purpose and didn't stop because she didn't want her brother to find her. That's point is when she lit up. According to the ME she smoked between 12:30 and 1:15, I think after that call. Probably in her drunken stupor she thought it would calm her down or something. It was only 30 mintues later the accident happened.
I think her brother may have had an idea but I think if he really knew he woud have called the cops earlier. He left after the phone call at 1:00 and didn't call the cops until 1:42. Probably because she wasn't where they said they were and the phone was not being answered. I think thats when he realized how serious the situation was.
She may not have been a drinker and made a horrible decision to binge or she was a closet drinker. The husband will be demonized either way. I think he made a real dumb decision with this lawyer. He will just fill his head with every possibility that one could imagine for his own selfish reason.
I pray for that little boy.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
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The little girls' mom must be dead inside. Imagine being married to your husband and HIS SISTER gets in a crash & kills ALL of your children. Then you find out she was drunk.
I think I would literally divorce him.
why would you divorce him? It isn't his fault at all.. can you imagine what he is going through too? If i loved my husband and God Forbid it was his sister that did this to our family, i would HATE his sister but not take it out on my DH.. we would go through this together, not place blame on eachother.
I feel the same way. My husband would be my partner in this... not my enemy...
While I would like to agree, it's pretty common for marriages to fall apart after the loss of a child. Now add in the fact that it was your SIL who killed them? That's a LOT of stress for a marriage to withstand.
Let's just say I wouldn't be surprised to hear if 6 months to a year down the road we hear of them splitting.
yes marriages do fall apart after something like this, but some don't and hopefully i will never ever have to find out. I just know that for me, i wouldn't take it out on my DH if God Forbid something like this were to happen to us. It isn't the DH's fault and he has to live with the he11 every day also, of the fact that his kids were in the car with his sister, and he probably has so much guilt. I'm just saying I wouldn't divorce DH like the original poster said.. but thats just me, i guess.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
And it's only a matter of time before law and order does a "ripped from the headlines"--with some sort of twist.
Which is sad because there are real people...mourning, who have to watch the whole thing on tv--twist and disclaimer and all. 
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Owner of the bar that she supposedly was a regular at just said on the channel 5 news that he doesn't know her or her husband and that nobody in the bar recognized her.
Guess you can't believe everything you hear.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by seaside
And it's only a matter of time before law and order does a "ripped from the headlines"--with some sort of twist.
Which is sad because there are real people...mourning, who have to watch the whole thing on tv--twist and disclaimer and all.
On CBS's website link to 48 hour Mystery they already have pictures up of Diane Schuler with her niece "Melanie". They can't even get the names right 
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Ok, I am not trying to defend the husband or this woman but I do have to say that I don't blame the husband for trying to get more information. If he truly believes that his wife was not an alcoholic or that she never really drank I can't say that I think he's wrong in trying to get more information.
My husband is not really a drinker and we don't smoke pot at all. He will have drinks upon occasion and I would say he's more than a social drinker. But he is not an alcoholic or a drunk by any means. I have to think he would NEVER do anything like this. But if this happened to our family and this was the result that came out I would be shocked and would spend every penny I have to try to clear his name and get more info.
Again I'm not saying this woman was innocent. Because I personally do feel that the results were accurate. But I can understand why if he never saw his wife as a drinker he would want to try to clear her name.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by seaside
2. Pot, unlike alcohol, from what I understand, can get in the air and affect those who are not using it, unlike alcohol.
I don't think this is true. The 'contact high' is a myth.
Not that its relevant in this situation at all, but thought i'd just point that out.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
all i know (think) is that we will NEVER fully have the whole story
was she an alcholic?
Did her DH know she left like that w/the kids in the car?
i personally think that if you are 36 years old, its time to put the weed way and GROW UP-i think it bothers me even more than the alchohol drinking
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by Chatham-Chick
I definitely think she and her DH had a fight of some sort.
I'm wondering if she didn't normally drink vodka. I don't know how different alcohols effect you guys personally, but I know for myself, I have a different reaction with vodka. It takes a while for it to hit me and then it hits me like a wall, whereas with wine, I feel it immediately (usually by the 2nd sip). Maybe she didn't get a quick buzz so she kept downing more vodka and then all of a sudden she's over the edge.
*I'm not making excuses, I just keep trying to figure out why or how someone could do this. *
The NY Post today had someone they interviewed from a bar Daine was a regular at say Diane loved her Screwdrivers (Vodka & OJ!)
And having 6 grams (is that correct) of Vodka undigested in her stomach. Um yea, the y reports were wrong  
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by Otherme
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2. Pot, unlike alcohol, from what I understand, can get in the air and affect those who are not using it, unlike alcohol.
I don't think this is true. The 'contact high' is a myth.
Not that its relevant in this situation at all, but thought i'd just point that out.
Fair enough. I defer.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
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Posted by carolinebn
The little girls' mom must be dead inside. Imagine being married to your husband and HIS SISTER gets in a crash & kills ALL of your children. Then you find out she was drunk.
I think I would literally divorce him.
why would you divorce him? It isn't his fault at all.. can you imagine what he is going through too? If i loved my husband and God Forbid it was his sister that did this to our family, i would HATE his sister but not take it out on my DH.. we would go through this together, not place blame on eachother.
I feel the same way. My husband would be my partner in this... not my enemy...
While I would like to agree, it's pretty common for marriages to fall apart after the loss of a child. Now add in the fact that it was your SIL who killed them? That's a LOT of stress for a marriage to withstand.
Let's just say I wouldn't be surprised to hear if 6 months to a year down the road we hear of them splitting.
yes marriages do fall apart after something like this, but some don't and hopefully i will never ever have to find out. I just know that for me, i wouldn't take it out on my DH if God Forbid something like this were to happen to us. It isn't the DH's fault and he has to live with the he11 every day also, of the fact that his kids were in the car with his sister, and he probably has so much guilt. I'm just saying I wouldn't divorce DH like the original poster said.. but thats just me, i guess.
I love my husband, but if all my kids were dead I am not sure we would make it and I don't ever want to find ouut. It only makes it worse that they died in the hands of his family member. Although the wife may hate his sister, its still his sister and he may have mixed feelings. If they had kids left, I think they would have more to fight for. I believe most marriages end after the death of a child.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by twicethefun
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Posted by carolinebn
The little girls' mom must be dead inside. Imagine being married to your husband and HIS SISTER gets in a crash & kills ALL of your children. Then you find out she was drunk.
I think I would literally divorce him.
why would you divorce him? It isn't his fault at all.. can you imagine what he is going through too? If i loved my husband and God Forbid it was his sister that did this to our family, i would HATE his sister but not take it out on my DH.. we would go through this together, not place blame on eachother.
I feel the same way. My husband would be my partner in this... not my enemy...
While I would like to agree, it's pretty common for marriages to fall apart after the loss of a child. Now add in the fact that it was your SIL who killed them? That's a LOT of stress for a marriage to withstand.
Let's just say I wouldn't be surprised to hear if 6 months to a year down the road we hear of them splitting.
yes marriages do fall apart after something like this, but some don't and hopefully i will never ever have to find out. I just know that for me, i wouldn't take it out on my DH if God Forbid something like this were to happen to us. It isn't the DH's fault and he has to live with the he11 every day also, of the fact that his kids were in the car with his sister, and he probably has so much guilt. I'm just saying I wouldn't divorce DH like the original poster said.. but thats just me, i guess.
I love my husband, but if all my kids were dead I am not sure we would make it and I don't ever want to find ouut. It only makes it worse that they died in the hands of his family member. Although the wife may hate his sister, its still his sister and he may have mixed feelings. If they had kids left, I think they would have more to fight for. I believe most marriages end after the death of a child.
some do end, some don't.. my husbands parents for one didn't.. hopefully noneof us will ever have to find out.. i pray for them and hope they are able to get through this
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by nicrae
Posted by seaside
And it's only a matter of time before law and order does a "ripped from the headlines"--with some sort of twist.
Which is sad because there are real people...mourning, who have to watch the whole thing on tv--twist and disclaimer and all.
On CBS's website link to 48 hour Mystery they already have pictures up of Diane Schuler with her niece "Melanie". They can't even get the names right
I think I saw this same picture in Newsday today- they said Melanie was not involved in the accident- so maybe she is another niece from somewhere else...
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by Kierasmom
Ok, I am not trying to defend the husband or this woman but I do have to say that I don't blame the husband for trying to get more information. If he truly believes that his wife was not an alcoholic or that she never really drank I can't say that I think he's wrong in trying to get more information.
My husband is not really a drinker and we don't smoke pot at all. He will have drinks upon occasion and I would say he's more than a social drinker. But he is not an alcoholic or a drunk by any means. I have to think he would NEVER do anything like this. But if this happened to our family and this was the result that came out I would be shocked and would spend every penny I have to try to clear his name and get more info.
Again I'm not saying this woman was innocent. Because I personally do feel that the results were accurate. But I can understand why if he never saw his wife as a drinker he would want to try to clear her name.
We were just discusting this with DH last night.
He rarely drinks and never did drug. And you know what, at first I would completely question it if I found out that he was drunk.
But facts are facts. When a ME tells you what the facts are, there is no denying.
You never really know people or what they may do. It can totally be out of character but that would not be the first time someone just snaps.
So yes at first I would think it was a mistake but with all the "evidence" how much in denial can you be.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
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Ok, I am not trying to defend the husband or this woman but I do have to say that I don't blame the husband for trying to get more information. If he truly believes that his wife was not an alcoholic or that she never really drank I can't say that I think he's wrong in trying to get more information.
My husband is not really a drinker and we don't smoke pot at all. He will have drinks upon occasion and I would say he's more than a social drinker. But he is not an alcoholic or a drunk by any means. I have to think he would NEVER do anything like this. But if this happened to our family and this was the result that came out I would be shocked and would spend every penny I have to try to clear his name and get more info.
Again I'm not saying this woman was innocent. Because I personally do feel that the results were accurate. But I can understand why if he never saw his wife as a drinker he would want to try to clear her name.
We were just discusting this with DH last night.
He rarely drinks and never did drug. And you know what, at first I would completely question it if I found out that he was drunk.
But facts are facts. When a ME tells you what the facts are, there is no denying.
You never really know people or what they may do. It can totally be out of character but that would not be the first time someone just snaps.
So yes at first I would think it was a mistake but with all the "evidence" how much in denial can you be.
I agree with this.
Same thing if you find out your spouse is cheating.
I am sure there is a huge amount of shock and denial at first- "my husband would NEVER do that, he was SO not the type, we have a great marriage, etc etc"
But sometimes people can shock the heck out of you...
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
one more thing, her liver would definitely show signs of damage if she was in fact an alcoholic. that would also be uncovered in the ME's report.
although, perhaps Domnic Barbara could pin that on a case of hepititis that no one knew about either. 
I think the "investigation" should start and end with the questioning of this family...to find out what on earth could have happen to make this woman lose her mind like this.
there is no way you can't "know" how much 10 drinks PLUS 6 more grams of unmetabolized vodka will hit you.
10 glasses of wine/10 shots of anything will leave me absolutely shitfaced, and i can hold my liquor pretty well (the irish in me notwithstanding  ) and I know that sitting here. I don't need to wait for my reaction to tell me that.
by all accounts...this was not a stupid woman. not a dumb kid. this was a smart successful working mom only a few years older than me. this family is doing a HUGE disservice to the other families involved by being so silent. it's terrible. it's hugely unfair.
and since there is little cooperation, and now a circus in the making with the addition of DB, the speculation will only continue, the story will take even longer to die down, and the Bastardi and Longo families...who should have the peace they deserve, will have this nightmare extended b/c the family of the woman who created this nightmare is perpetuating it.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by Otherme
Posted by seaside
2. Pot, unlike alcohol, from what I understand, can get in the air and affect those who are not using it, unlike alcohol.
I don't think this is true. The 'contact high' is a myth.
Not that its relevant in this situation at all, but thought i'd just point that out.
I would DEFINITELY beg to differ.
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I was just reading an article on Newsday.com about the family's appearance on the Today show this morning.
This quote from that db of a lawyer really killed me:
He told Vieira that Emma Schuler had called her father - Diane Schuler's brother, Warren Hance of Floral Park - telling him that "her aunt was having problems saying words and seeing."
Barbara said: "That's not the actions of some who was drunk . . . It's not logical."
Ummmm- hmmmm- that actually does sound like the actions of a very drunk person- "having problems saying her words" to me, means slurring.
HUGE symptom of being wasted.
And the vision thing too....
This lawyer is a real flucking @sshole. MY GOD!
And then this from the article:
While Barbara and his client, Daniel Schuler, have insisted there must be some other explanation for the actions of Diane Schuler leading to the crash, Schuler and Barbara turned away New York State Police investigators from a prearranged interview on Thursday.
They are only making it worse....
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
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And then this from the article:
While Barbara and his client, Daniel Schuler, have insisted there must be some other explanation for the actions of Diane Schuler leading to the crash, Schuler and Barbara turned away New York State Police investigators from a prearranged interview on Thursday.
They are only making it worse....
So so bad. I could understand not speaking to anyone, but he just held a press conference. Then all of a sudden he doesn't want to attend a prearranged interview with police?!?! That looks so bad. Horrible.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
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2. Pot, unlike alcohol, from what I understand, can get in the air and affect those who are not using it, unlike alcohol.
I don't think this is true. The 'contact high' is a myth.
Not that its relevant in this situation at all, but thought i'd just point that out.
I would DEFINITELY beg to differ.
Ok.. thats fine.
In my experience, being around someone smoking a joint does not get anyone else high. Perhaps being in a small enclosed space with people smoking bong after bong.. then i can see it affecting you (more like hurting your eyes, making you woozy etc) but it wouldn't get you high as if you actually smoked it yourself.
But, it is something that affects everyone differently so some people may have a different opinion on the matter.
again, not that it has anything to do with this case or is relevant to what she did.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
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And then this from the article:
While Barbara and his client, Daniel Schuler, have insisted there must be some other explanation for the actions of Diane Schuler leading to the crash, Schuler and Barbara turned away New York State Police investigators from a prearranged interview on Thursday.
They are only making it worse....
So so bad. I could understand not speaking to anyone, but he just held a press conference. Then all of a sudden he doesn't want to attend a prearranged interview with police?!?! That looks so bad. Horrible.
And they do NOT want to talk about the pot. Yeah, because the dh knows HE will be tested at his job and doesn't want them to find out that he also smoked/smokes pot.
My dh read me the paper this morning about the things DB said about the woman who runs the campsite and they contradicted what she said 
They are just digging themselves a LARGER grave-no pun intended :(
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
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Posted by anonttcer
And then this from the article:
While Barbara and his client, Daniel Schuler, have insisted there must be some other explanation for the actions of Diane Schuler leading to the crash, Schuler and Barbara turned away New York State Police investigators from a prearranged interview on Thursday.
They are only making it worse....
So so bad. I could understand not speaking to anyone, but he just held a press conference. Then all of a sudden he doesn't want to attend a prearranged interview with police?!?! That looks so bad. Horrible.
And they do NOT want to talk about the pot. Yeah, because the dh knows HE will be tested at his job and doesn't want them to find out that he also smoked/smokes pot.
DING DING DING! This guy has some kind of police/public safety job.
Drug use of ANY kind and he'd be fired.
I'm not sure if they do random drug tests on them like they do with the cops, but if they do he was a pretty dumb azz to smoke pot at all- knowing he could be randomly tested and lose his JOB over it. TIME TO GROW UP!
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