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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
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And then this from the article:
While Barbara and his client, Daniel Schuler, have insisted there must be some other explanation for the actions of Diane Schuler leading to the crash, Schuler and Barbara turned away New York State Police investigators from a prearranged interview on Thursday.
They are only making it worse....
So so bad. I could understand not speaking to anyone, but he just held a press conference. Then all of a sudden he doesn't want to attend a prearranged interview with police?!?! That looks so bad. Horrible.
And they do NOT want to talk about the pot. Yeah, because the dh knows HE will be tested at his job and doesn't want them to find out that he also smoked/smokes pot.
DING DING DING! This guy has some kind of police/public safety job.
Drug use of ANY kind and he'd be fired.
I'm not sure if they do random drug tests on them like they do with the cops, but if they do he was a pretty dumb azz to smoke pot at all- knowing he could be randomly tested and lose his JOB over it. TIME TO GROW UP!
Yep. It is soooo obvious. They should just test HIM to make sure. They are making this into a circus and it is HORRIBLE for all of those victims (and their families).
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It's great to know that parents (the Schulers) and a safety officer are doing "occasional" pot, but want to clear their names. Whatever. I am growing disgusted by this whole thing.
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It's great to know that parents (the Schulers) and a safety officer are doing "occasional" pot, but want to clear their names. Whatever. I am growing disgusted by this whole thing.
ITA with you---it is getting ridiculous and someone needs to get to the BOTTOM of this fiasco. DB is making it WORSE!!!--
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
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And they do NOT want to talk about the pot. Yeah, because the dh knows HE will be tested at his job and doesn't want them to find out that he also smoked/smokes pot.
DING DING DING! This guy has some kind of police/public safety job.
Drug use of ANY kind and he'd be fired.
I'm not sure if they do random drug tests on them like they do with the cops, but if they do he was a pretty dumb azz to smoke pot at all- knowing he could be randomly tested and lose his JOB over it. TIME TO GROW UP!
You guys are making an awful lot of assumptions about this guy. Do you know him? do you know he smokes pot himself? i mean come on..
Of course they don't want to talk about many details of the case, and you know what.. i don't blame them. They don't HAVE to make every single detail of the investigation public for people to pick over. We have NO IDEA what else is going on in the investigation and it's really getting me upset seeing how so many people on here are making huge leaps and assumptions about a situation none of us were privy to.
So how about we stop crucifying this guy and let the police do their job, since they're the ones really qualified to do it.
Can you imagine if you (any of us) were in the same situation and every second of your life was all of a sudden under intense scrutiny? you'd clam up too i bet because any word that comes out of your mouth can be instantly misconstrued or taken and twisted by the media.
All of a sudden she was a raging alcoholic because she 'supposedly' went to a local bar once in a while? so what? we all go to bars - doesn't make you an alcoholic.
To be totally clear, i am in no way condoning her horrific actions, or his reactions after the fact (especially after hiring Dominic Barbara, who i think only makes him look worse).. But unless any of us were in that car, or are Diane Schuler herself.. we have no clue what the real story is so we should stop the wild assumptions and let the police figure it all out.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
I know this much. I know that my husband would never be OK and comfortable with the knowledge that I was an "occasional pot user" when we had two children.
There's a new story in newsday about the family's investogator "an investigator hired by the Schuler family said it had not been proven that the bottle had been in the Ford Windstar minivan being driven by Diane when she caused the crash.
The investigator, Thomas Ruskin, told host Meredith Vieira that the family was "known to carry the same bottle of vodka for the entire season" of camping."
Oh. Ok. That's much better.
They were trying to expalin the bottle in the car---but who does that? Who brings numerous kids camping with a bottle of vodka? Am I out of touch? Who ARE these people?
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I know this much. I know that my husband would never be OK and comfortable with the knowledge that I was an "occasional pot user" when we had two children.
There's a new story in newsday about the family's investogator "an investigator hired by the Schuler family said it had not been proven that the bottle had been in the Ford Windstar minivan being driven by Diane when she caused the crash.
The investigator, Thomas Ruskin, told host Meredith Vieira that the family was "known to carry the same bottle of vodka for the entire season" of camping."
Oh. Ok. That's much better.
They were trying to expalin the bottle in the car---but who does that? Who brings numerous kids camping with a bottle of vodka? Am I out of touch? Who ARE these people?
There is TOO many holes in this story. DB thinks he is going to cover up the truth and in reality he is making the dh and his wife look worse.
I truly think they were drinking and smoking pot-BOTH of them. Seems quite odd that they do NOT want to talk about the pot-why? It was in her system. There is NO denial about that.
I am a mother of 2 though and can't IMAGINE drinking that much and smoking pot AND taking care of children (and other children that are not your own).
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I just feel like this is evidence of how many people walk around thinking they're great and responsible and gorwn up when in reality, they have a problem--or problems. Normal people, in my experience, don't have all of these kinds of explanations:
"Well...she was only a recreational pot user."
"It was probably just their 'regular' vodka bottle. The one they usually take camping with 5 kids."
Who ARE these people, and who else is on our roads, endangering OUR kids, while living with their little myths and delusions and refusing to grow the heck up?
I am more incensed and afraid now than I was when the report came back....
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Posted by seaside
I just feel like this is evidence of how many people walk around thinking they're great and responsible and gorwn up when in reality, they have a problem--or problems. Normal people, in my experience, don't have all of these kinds of explanations:
"Well...she was only a recreational pot user."
"It was probably just their 'regular' vodka bottle. The one they usually take camping with 5 kids."
Who ARE these people, and who else is on our roads, endangering OUR kids, while living with their little myths and delusions and refusing to grow the heck up?
I am more incensed and afraid now than I was when the report came back....
I think it is VERY scary that people are out there drinking, doing drugs, have no license, no registration, no insurance, etc. AND driving.
I can't see how NO ONE at that campsite knows what the family does when they are there. Are they THAT secluded?
It seems everyone is AFRAID to talk.
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You guys are making an awful lot of assumptions about this guy. Do you know him? do you know he smokes pot himself? i mean come on..
Of course they don't want to talk about many details of the case, and you know what.. i don't blame them. They don't HAVE to make every single detail of the investigation public for people to pick over. We have NO IDEA what else is going on in the investigation and it's really getting me upset seeing how so many people on here are making huge leaps and assumptions about a situation none of us were privy to.
So how about we stop crucifying this guy and let the police do their job, since they're the ones really qualified to do it.
Can you imagine if you (any of us) were in the same situation and every second of your life was all of a sudden under intense scrutiny? you'd clam up too i bet because any word that comes out of your mouth can be instantly misconstrued or taken and twisted by the media.
All of a sudden she was a raging alcoholic because she 'supposedly' went to a local bar once in a while? so what? we all go to bars - doesn't make you an alcoholic.
To be totally clear, i am in no way condoning her horrific actions, or his reactions after the fact (especially after hiring Dominic Barbara, who i think only makes him look worse).. But unless any of us were in that car, or are Diane Schuler herself.. we have no clue what the real story is so we should stop the wild assumptions and let the police figure it all out.
I don't really care so much that they aren't making themselves and info available to the public.
I care that the INVESTIGATORS feel they haven't received enough cooperation from the family.
and it's such a contradiction...to not make yourself available to the police, but to then hold a press conference.
why wouldn't you fight for your wife's reputation by being FULLY cooperative in the investigation? IN PRIVATE. I fail to see how hiring one of the biggest media ***** attorney's and holding press conferences while eschewing a preset investigative interview is productive in any way.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
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You guys are making an awful lot of assumptions about this guy. Do you know him? do you know he smokes pot himself? i mean come on..
Of course they don't want to talk about many details of the case, and you know what.. i don't blame them. They don't HAVE to make every single detail of the investigation public for people to pick over. We have NO IDEA what else is going on in the investigation and it's really getting me upset seeing how so many people on here are making huge leaps and assumptions about a situation none of us were privy to.
So how about we stop crucifying this guy and let the police do their job, since they're the ones really qualified to do it.
Can you imagine if you (any of us) were in the same situation and every second of your life was all of a sudden under intense scrutiny? you'd clam up too i bet because any word that comes out of your mouth can be instantly misconstrued or taken and twisted by the media.
All of a sudden she was a raging alcoholic because she 'supposedly' went to a local bar once in a while? so what? we all go to bars - doesn't make you an alcoholic.
To be totally clear, i am in no way condoning her horrific actions, or his reactions after the fact (especially after hiring Dominic Barbara, who i think only makes him look worse).. But unless any of us were in that car, or are Diane Schuler herself.. we have no clue what the real story is so we should stop the wild assumptions and let the police figure it all out.
I don't really care so much that they aren't making themselves and info available to the public.
I care that the INVESTIGATORS feel they haven't received enough cooperation from the family.
and it's such a contradiction...to not make yourself available to the police, but to then hold a press conference.
why wouldn't you fight for your wife's reputation by being FULLY cooperative in the investigation? IN PRIVATE. I fail to see how hiring one of the biggest media ***** attorney's and holding press conferences while eschewing a preset investigative interview is productive in any way.
ITA with you and I think it is because they are hiding something. If I had NOTHING to hide, I would talk to EVERYONE and tell the SAME story EACH time.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by Ophelia
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You guys are making an awful lot of assumptions about this guy. Do you know him? do you know he smokes pot himself? i mean come on..
Of course they don't want to talk about many details of the case, and you know what.. i don't blame them. They don't HAVE to make every single detail of the investigation public for people to pick over. We have NO IDEA what else is going on in the investigation and it's really getting me upset seeing how so many people on here are making huge leaps and assumptions about a situation none of us were privy to.
So how about we stop crucifying this guy and let the police do their job, since they're the ones really qualified to do it.
Can you imagine if you (any of us) were in the same situation and every second of your life was all of a sudden under intense scrutiny? you'd clam up too i bet because any word that comes out of your mouth can be instantly misconstrued or taken and twisted by the media.
All of a sudden she was a raging alcoholic because she 'supposedly' went to a local bar once in a while? so what? we all go to bars - doesn't make you an alcoholic.
To be totally clear, i am in no way condoning her horrific actions, or his reactions after the fact (especially after hiring Dominic Barbara, who i think only makes him look worse).. But unless any of us were in that car, or are Diane Schuler herself.. we have no clue what the real story is so we should stop the wild assumptions and let the police figure it all out.
I don't really care so much that they aren't making themselves and info available to the public.
I care that the INVESTIGATORS feel they haven't received enough cooperation from the family.
and it's such a contradiction...to not make yourself available to the police, but to then hold a press conference.
why wouldn't you fight for your wife's reputation by being FULLY cooperative in the investigation? IN PRIVATE. I fail to see how hiring one of the biggest media ***** attorney's and holding press conferences while eschewing a preset investigative interview is productive in any way.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
For the record, I think this woman was a moron for making the decisions she did that day.
However, I find it odd that so many people are shocked that these people went camping on the weekends with alcohol.
There are no alcoholics in my family, yet when we went camping or vacationing in the summers, the adults had a few drinks in the evenings. I think it's a bit much to attack people for enjoying alcohol in the presence of their children. Lots of us drink alcohol responsibly.
Just my .02
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by isabelle2137
For the record, I think this woman was a moron for making the decisions she did that day.
However, I find it odd that so many people are shocked that these people went camping on the weekends with alcohol.
There are no alcoholics in my family, yet when we went camping or vacationing in the summers, the adults had a few drinks in the evenings. I think it's a bit much to attack people for enjoying alcohol in the presence of their children. Lots of us drink alcohol responsibly.
Just my .02
I tend to agree. While I have never been camping before, I have friends and co-workers who go camping & at night, they drink. It's not like they have to drive anywhere. (which, yes, I know - this woman did. But you get what I mean, right?)
And when DH & I go to someone's house for dinner, we bring a bottle of wine. Having a drink in front of your child doesn't make you a bad parent.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by Otherme
You guys are making an awful lot of assumptions about this guy. Do you know him? do you know he smokes pot himself? i mean come on..
Of course they don't want to talk about many details of the case, and you know what.. i don't blame them. They don't HAVE to make every single detail of the investigation public for people to pick over. We have NO IDEA what else is going on in the investigation and it's really getting me upset seeing how so many people on here are making huge leaps and assumptions about a situation none of us were privy to.
So how about we stop crucifying this guy and let the police do their job, since they're the ones really qualified to do it.
Can you imagine if you (any of us) were in the same situation and every second of your life was all of a sudden under intense scrutiny? you'd clam up too i bet because any word that comes out of your mouth can be instantly misconstrued or taken and twisted by the media.
All of a sudden she was a raging alcoholic because she 'supposedly' went to a local bar once in a while? so what? we all go to bars - doesn't make you an alcoholic.
To be totally clear, i am in no way condoning her horrific actions, or his reactions after the fact (especially after hiring Dominic Barbara, who i think only makes him look worse).. But unless any of us were in that car, or are Diane Schuler herself.. we have no clue what the real story is so we should stop the wild assumptions and let the police figure it all out.
I don't really care so much that they aren't making themselves and info available to the public.
I care that the INVESTIGATORS feel they haven't received enough cooperation from the family.
and it's such a contradiction...to not make yourself available to the police, but to then hold a press conference.
why wouldn't you fight for your wife's reputation by being FULLY cooperative in the investigation? IN PRIVATE. I fail to see how hiring one of the biggest media ***** attorney's and holding press conferences while eschewing a preset investigative interview is productive in any way.
Look, i'm not defending the way he's acted since this all happened, by any means.
But just because he's hired a defense attorney (who's a jackazz) doesn't mean he's automatically got something to hide.
i'm just saying perhaps everyone should stop making assumptions about his life, her life and what happened that day because none of us were there and do not know.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by carolinebn
Posted by isabelle2137
For the record, I think this woman was a moron for making the decisions she did that day.
However, I find it odd that so many people are shocked that these people went camping on the weekends with alcohol.
There are no alcoholics in my family, yet when we went camping or vacationing in the summers, the adults had a few drinks in the evenings. I think it's a bit much to attack people for enjoying alcohol in the presence of their children. Lots of us drink alcohol responsibly.
Just my .02
I tend to agree. While I have never been camping before, I have friends and co-workers who go camping & at night, they drink. It's not like they have to drive anywhere. (which, yes, I know - this woman did. But you get what I mean, right?)
And when DH & I go to someone's house for dinner, we bring a bottle of wine. Having a drink in front of your child doesn't make you a bad parent.
I totally agree. My parents drank in front of us all the time.
Didn't get wasted, drank.
Didn't drive with us while drunk.
I would do the same if I had kids.
But that is neither here nor there in this case- considering the woman drank enough to fell a horse and smoked a joint and drove 5 kids that way!
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by Otherme
You guys are making an awful lot of assumptions about this guy. Do you know him? do you know he smokes pot himself? i mean come on..
Of course they don't want to talk about many details of the case, and you know what.. i don't blame them. They don't HAVE to make every single detail of the investigation public for people to pick over. We have NO IDEA what else is going on in the investigation and it's really getting me upset seeing how so many people on here are making huge leaps and assumptions about a situation none of us were privy to.
So how about we stop crucifying this guy and let the police do their job, since they're the ones really qualified to do it.
Can you imagine if you (any of us) were in the same situation and every second of your life was all of a sudden under intense scrutiny? you'd clam up too i bet because any word that comes out of your mouth can be instantly misconstrued or taken and twisted by the media.
All of a sudden she was a raging alcoholic because she 'supposedly' went to a local bar once in a while? so what? we all go to bars - doesn't make you an alcoholic.
To be totally clear, i am in no way condoning her horrific actions, or his reactions after the fact (especially after hiring Dominic Barbara, who i think only makes him look worse).. But unless any of us were in that car, or are Diane Schuler herself.. we have no clue what the real story is so we should stop the wild assumptions and let the police figure it all out.
Not jump to conclusions? What a novel idea! But not as much fun as filling in the blanks yourself.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
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there is no way you can't "know" how much 10 drinks PLUS 6 more grams of unmetabolized vodka will hit you.
10 glasses of wine/10 shots of anything will leave me absolutely shitfaced, and i can hold my liquor pretty well (the irish in me notwithstanding  ) and I know that sitting here. I don't need to wait for my reaction to tell me that.
ITA. But with her eyes on the road and a car full of kids sitting behind her, she probably wasn't counting her shots or keeping track of how much she'd had.
Here's a possible scenario: Let's say she was already on the road when she decided she needed a drink for whatever reason. What's around and easily reachable? The bottle of vodka.
Let's say she doesn't want to be drinking out of the bottle in front of the kids or a glass window, or isn't used to drinking vodka straight, or whatever, and decides to pour it into a cup - maybe even mix it with her soda from McDonald's - while she's still driving.
But while pouring, you have to keep your eyes on the road, not on your cup. And bumps happen, which can make your hand unsteady. And children make noise, which is distracting. She could've accidentally poured way more vodka into the cup than she intended without realizing it.
And since it's hard liquor, she could've drank a lot of it quickly, and then it hit her all at once. Or she could've been used to her mixed drinks and somehow didn't realize the smaller quantity of liquor would do her in. Or she could've been not paying attention to how much she was swallowing due to the driving and kids as above.
And then what? All of a sudden you're very drunk and on the road with these kids. You can't call your family for help (how would you begin to explain?), can't call the police for help or you'll get arrested, and as someone else already suggested, in her impaired state, she thought she'd smoke a joint to steady her nerves or whatever and try her best to get everyone home.
That's all completely hypothetical of course, and even with a possible "explanation," I think they're the actions of a person with a drinking problem, closeted or not. But I'm just saying, I can see the possibility for her to not have realized how much she was drinking until it was too late.
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by JessInCA
Posted by Ophelia
there is no way you can't "know" how much 10 drinks PLUS 6 more grams of unmetabolized vodka will hit you.
10 glasses of wine/10 shots of anything will leave me absolutely shitfaced, and i can hold my liquor pretty well (the irish in me notwithstanding ) and I know that sitting here. I don't need to wait for my reaction to tell me that.
ITA. But with her eyes on the road and a car full of kids sitting behind her, she probably wasn't counting her shots or keeping track of how much she'd had.
Here's a possible scenario: Let's say she was already on the road when she decided she needed a drink for whatever reason. What's around and easily reachable? The bottle of vodka.
Let's say she doesn't want to be drinking out of the bottle in front of the kids or a glass window, or isn't used to drinking vodka straight, or whatever, and decides to pour it into a cup - maybe even mix it with her soda from McDonald's - while she's still driving.
But while pouring, you have to keep your eyes on the road, not on your cup. And bumps happen, which can make your hand unsteady. And children make noise, which is distracting. She could've accidentally poured way more vodka into the cup than she intended without realizing it.
And since it's hard liquor, she could've drank a lot of it quickly, and then it hit her all at once. Or she could've been used to her mixed drinks and somehow didn't realize the smaller quantity of liquor would do her in. Or she could've been not paying attention to how much she was swallowing due to the driving and kids as above.
And then what? All of a sudden you're very drunk and on the road with these kids. You can't call your family for help (how would you begin to explain?), can't call the police for help or you'll get arrested, and as someone else already suggested, in her impaired state, she thought she'd smoke a joint to steady her nerves or whatever and try her best to get everyone home.
That's all completely hypothetical of course, and even with a possible "explanation," I think they're the actions of a person with a drinking problem, closeted or not. But I'm just saying, I can see the possibility for her to not have realized how much she was drinking until it was too late.
And this is why it is illegal to drink while driving.
Because bumps happen and you can pour too much into your cup.
And then you would have to smoke a joint to calm yourself down...
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
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Posted by JessInCA
Posted by Ophelia
there is no way you can't "know" how much 10 drinks PLUS 6 more grams of unmetabolized vodka will hit you.
10 glasses of wine/10 shots of anything will leave me absolutely shitfaced, and i can hold my liquor pretty well (the irish in me notwithstanding ) and I know that sitting here. I don't need to wait for my reaction to tell me that.
ITA. But with her eyes on the road and a car full of kids sitting behind her, she probably wasn't counting her shots or keeping track of how much she'd had.
Here's a possible scenario: Let's say she was already on the road when she decided she needed a drink for whatever reason. What's around and easily reachable? The bottle of vodka.
Let's say she doesn't want to be drinking out of the bottle in front of the kids or a glass window, or isn't used to drinking vodka straight, or whatever, and decides to pour it into a cup - maybe even mix it with her soda from McDonald's - while she's still driving.
But while pouring, you have to keep your eyes on the road, not on your cup. And bumps happen, which can make your hand unsteady. And children make noise, which is distracting. She could've accidentally poured way more vodka into the cup than she intended without realizing it.
And since it's hard liquor, she could've drank a lot of it quickly, and then it hit her all at once. Or she could've been used to her mixed drinks and somehow didn't realize the smaller quantity of liquor would do her in. Or she could've been not paying attention to how much she was swallowing due to the driving and kids as above.
And then what? All of a sudden you're very drunk and on the road with these kids. You can't call your family for help (how would you begin to explain?), can't call the police for help or you'll get arrested, and as someone else already suggested, in her impaired state, she thought she'd smoke a joint to steady her nerves or whatever and try her best to get everyone home.
That's all completely hypothetical of course, and even with a possible "explanation," I think they're the actions of a person with a drinking problem, closeted or not. But I'm just saying, I can see the possibility for her to not have realized how much she was drinking until it was too late.
And this is why it is illegal to drink while driving.
Because bumps happen and you can pour too much into your cup.
And then you would have to smoke a joint to calm yourself down...
Yea right!! Wow!
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by nycchic24
Posted by anonttcer
Posted by JessInCA
Posted by Ophelia
there is no way you can't "know" how much 10 drinks PLUS 6 more grams of unmetabolized vodka will hit you.
10 glasses of wine/10 shots of anything will leave me absolutely shitfaced, and i can hold my liquor pretty well (the irish in me notwithstanding ) and I know that sitting here. I don't need to wait for my reaction to tell me that.
ITA. But with her eyes on the road and a car full of kids sitting behind her, she probably wasn't counting her shots or keeping track of how much she'd had.
Here's a possible scenario: Let's say she was already on the road when she decided she needed a drink for whatever reason. What's around and easily reachable? The bottle of vodka.
Let's say she doesn't want to be drinking out of the bottle in front of the kids or a glass window, or isn't used to drinking vodka straight, or whatever, and decides to pour it into a cup - maybe even mix it with her soda from McDonald's - while she's still driving.
But while pouring, you have to keep your eyes on the road, not on your cup. And bumps happen, which can make your hand unsteady. And children make noise, which is distracting. She could've accidentally poured way more vodka into the cup than she intended without realizing it.
And since it's hard liquor, she could've drank a lot of it quickly, and then it hit her all at once. Or she could've been used to her mixed drinks and somehow didn't realize the smaller quantity of liquor would do her in. Or she could've been not paying attention to how much she was swallowing due to the driving and kids as above.
And then what? All of a sudden you're very drunk and on the road with these kids. You can't call your family for help (how would you begin to explain?), can't call the police for help or you'll get arrested, and as someone else already suggested, in her impaired state, she thought she'd smoke a joint to steady her nerves or whatever and try her best to get everyone home.
That's all completely hypothetical of course, and even with a possible "explanation," I think they're the actions of a person with a drinking problem, closeted or not. But I'm just saying, I can see the possibility for her to not have realized how much she was drinking until it was too late.
And this is why it is illegal to drink while driving.
Because bumps happen and you can pour too much into your cup.
And then you would have to smoke a joint to calm yourself down...
Yea right!! Wow!
exactly and even that scenario still makes her a disgusting human being who would even consider having a "sip" of alcohol while taking care of 5 children.
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| Posted 8/7/09 12:46 PM |
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JessInCA
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by dm24angel
Posted by nycchic24
Posted by anonttcer
Posted by JessInCA
Posted by Ophelia
there is no way you can't "know" how much 10 drinks PLUS 6 more grams of unmetabolized vodka will hit you.
10 glasses of wine/10 shots of anything will leave me absolutely shitfaced, and i can hold my liquor pretty well (the irish in me notwithstanding ) and I know that sitting here. I don't need to wait for my reaction to tell me that.
ITA. But with her eyes on the road and a car full of kids sitting behind her, she probably wasn't counting her shots or keeping track of how much she'd had.
Here's a possible scenario: Let's say she was already on the road when she decided she needed a drink for whatever reason. What's around and easily reachable? The bottle of vodka.
Let's say she doesn't want to be drinking out of the bottle in front of the kids or a glass window, or isn't used to drinking vodka straight, or whatever, and decides to pour it into a cup - maybe even mix it with her soda from McDonald's - while she's still driving.
But while pouring, you have to keep your eyes on the road, not on your cup. And bumps happen, which can make your hand unsteady. And children make noise, which is distracting. She could've accidentally poured way more vodka into the cup than she intended without realizing it.
And since it's hard liquor, she could've drank a lot of it quickly, and then it hit her all at once. Or she could've been used to her mixed drinks and somehow didn't realize the smaller quantity of liquor would do her in. Or she could've been not paying attention to how much she was swallowing due to the driving and kids as above.
And then what? All of a sudden you're very drunk and on the road with these kids. You can't call your family for help (how would you begin to explain?), can't call the police for help or you'll get arrested, and as someone else already suggested, in her impaired state, she thought she'd smoke a joint to steady her nerves or whatever and try her best to get everyone home.
That's all completely hypothetical of course, and even with a possible "explanation," I think they're the actions of a person with a drinking problem, closeted or not. But I'm just saying, I can see the possibility for her to not have realized how much she was drinking until it was too late.
And this is why it is illegal to drink while driving.
Because bumps happen and you can pour too much into your cup.
And then you would have to smoke a joint to calm yourself down...
Yea right!! Wow!
exactly and even that scenario still makes her a disgusting human being who would even consider having a "sip" of alcohol while taking care of 5 children.
Agreed 100%!
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| Posted 8/7/09 12:52 PM |
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HoneyBadger
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by hazeleyes33
My dh read me the paper this morning about the things DB said about the woman who runs the campsite and they contradicted what she said 
They are just digging themselves a LARGER grave-no pun intended :(
If I had to take one person's account of what happened, it would be the owner of Hunter Lake Campgrounds. I KNOW her, she is a straight-shooting, down to earth, grass roots person. Not to mention what would she have to gain by saying something that wasn't true?
Posted by hazeleyes33
I can't see how NO ONE at that campsite knows what the family does when they are there. Are they THAT secluded?
It seems everyone is AFRAID to talk.
I doubt very much anyone is afraid to talk. I've actually camped AT Hunter Lake Campgrounds on a NUMBER of occasions. It's a great campground and what makes it so great, is that all the sites are wooded and VERY secluded from one another.
That's not to say that no one heard them during the night hanging out having a good time around the camp fire but I'm sure no one knew that this woman was going to do what she did.
I mean, how could ANYONE really know what she was gonna do? Ya know?
Posted by seaside
They were trying to expalin the bottle in the car---but who does that? Who brings numerous kids camping with a bottle of vodka? Am I out of touch? Who ARE these people?
Going camping is like going on a vacation to a resort or cruise. When you're there, do you not drink? It's like any other vacation where you don't have to drive, you may have a few cocktails or beers while sitting around the camp fire. This is not an uncommon thing.
However, and this is a HUGE however, getting into a car and driving (with or without anyone else in the car with you) is something NO ONE should EVER do. So what this woman did is completely irresponsible.
Message edited 8/7/2009 1:08:42 PM.
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| Posted 8/7/09 1:07 PM |
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hazeleyes33
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by dm24angel
Posted by nycchic24
Posted by anonttcer
Posted by JessInCA
Posted by Ophelia
there is no way you can't "know" how much 10 drinks PLUS 6 more grams of unmetabolized vodka will hit you.
10 glasses of wine/10 shots of anything will leave me absolutely shitfaced, and i can hold my liquor pretty well (the irish in me notwithstanding ) and I know that sitting here. I don't need to wait for my reaction to tell me that.
ITA. But with her eyes on the road and a car full of kids sitting behind her, she probably wasn't counting her shots or keeping track of how much she'd had.
Here's a possible scenario: Let's say she was already on the road when she decided she needed a drink for whatever reason. What's around and easily reachable? The bottle of vodka.
Let's say she doesn't want to be drinking out of the bottle in front of the kids or a glass window, or isn't used to drinking vodka straight, or whatever, and decides to pour it into a cup - maybe even mix it with her soda from McDonald's - while she's still driving.
But while pouring, you have to keep your eyes on the road, not on your cup. And bumps happen, which can make your hand unsteady. And children make noise, which is distracting. She could've accidentally poured way more vodka into the cup than she intended without realizing it.
And since it's hard liquor, she could've drank a lot of it quickly, and then it hit her all at once. Or she could've been used to her mixed drinks and somehow didn't realize the smaller quantity of liquor would do her in. Or she could've been not paying attention to how much she was swallowing due to the driving and kids as above.
And then what? All of a sudden you're very drunk and on the road with these kids. You can't call your family for help (how would you begin to explain?), can't call the police for help or you'll get arrested, and as someone else already suggested, in her impaired state, she thought she'd smoke a joint to steady her nerves or whatever and try her best to get everyone home.
That's all completely hypothetical of course, and even with a possible "explanation," I think they're the actions of a person with a drinking problem, closeted or not. But I'm just saying, I can see the possibility for her to not have realized how much she was drinking until it was too late.
And this is why it is illegal to drink while driving.
Because bumps happen and you can pour too much into your cup.
And then you would have to smoke a joint to calm yourself down...
Yea right!! Wow!
exactly and even that scenario still makes her a disgusting human being who would even consider having a "sip" of alcohol while taking care of 5 children.
AND..then smoke a joint with them in the car :0
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| Posted 8/7/09 1:08 PM |
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
I may be out of touch. I admit that. But I would not drink at all while out with my kids--anywhere, on any vacation, etc. I don't neeed or want to be altered at all; they don't need to see alcohol consumption; and I'd ratehr not even have to think about navigating the line between ok to drive/not ok to drive, or ok to interact with kids and a bit too happy to deal with kids, etc.
That's just me. But then again, I don't get why or how drinking is the centerpiece of so many things taht are supposed to be fun in and of tehmselves, like barbeques, professional baseball games, hockey games, fishing, bowling, camping, etc. etc. etc. I don't get it.
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| Posted 8/7/09 1:22 PM |
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hazeleyes33
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Re: Cross post - Toxicology reports for the Taconic Crash in
Posted by seaside
I may be out of touch. I admit that. But I would not drink at all while out with my kids--anywhere, on any vacation, etc. I don't neeed or want to be altered at all; they don't need to see alcohol consumption; and I'd ratehr not even have to think about navigating the line between ok to drive/not ok to drive, or ok to interact with kids and a bit too happy to deal with kids, etc.
That's just me. But then again, I don't get why or how drinking is the centerpiece of so many things taht are supposed to be fun in and of tehmselves, like barbeques, professional baseball games, hockey games, fishing, bowling, camping, etc. etc. etc. I don't get it.
I don't think there is anything wrong with drinking in front of children and it should not be something that is "evil" or "negative" BUT....I do NOT believe in being stupid drunk in front of your kids and NEVER driving with or without them after drinking.
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