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Re: DeSantis signs law requiring college faculty, students to take surveys on beliefs
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I didn't read through all of the posts but just to address a couple of things - for certain professions college is not optional. For example, I wanted to be an accountant, I needed a degree. Second, for many, in state schools are the ONLY affordable option for college so to that extent, they may not just be able to choose another school. This survey only addressed state schools, which are funded by state taxpayer dollars.
So with that being said, if the only option for you to get a job in your desired profession was to go to a STATE SCHOOL in your home state and that school openly spoke to students about how Trump is great and the only right way to think is to be a trump supporter, offered anti abortion rhetoric, etc, you would all be okay with this? The only reason you all are upset with it is because it is traditionally left wing views that are presented on college campuses. But let's say it was the other way around and everything around you seemed to discourage any left wing views. That wouldn't bother any of you?
Good luck getting an answer as I asked that.
Obviously they all think this is a fake thing that is happening and Desantis MUST be making it all up. SMH
I thought I made myself clear, but I'll elaborate.
It's not a concern of mine because I would teach my son better, and part of that is equipping him to not be brainwashed by right wing nutjobs. It would be his decision whether to change schools, drop the class, etc. if a professor was hardcore but regardless he would be able to push back with logical arguments because of what I would teach him.
Second of all, and I didn't say this earlier, but there is a reason why students are more likely to be exposed to progressive views in college, and that's because right wing views are more likely to be based on falsehoods and do not hold up to the scrutiny of critical thinking.
I'm not saying intelligent people cannot have more conservative views; I am speaking of more extreme views. I am saying that people with good critical thinking skills will not adapt extreme right wing views.
And no, De Santis has no credibility with me. Because he's saying it's happening bears no connection to whether or not it actually is. I already explained why he would make it up. I could elaborate on that, but in short, he wants to run for president and the direction of the Repub party is clear. You must embrace the grievance politics to succeed.
I personally find that anyone that leans too far right or too far left is a "nutjob." I think that anyone with good critical thinking will also likely not adapt to extreme left views. However, I will say that college aged students are definitely at a vulnerable age - old enough to live independently but naive enough to have their thoughts and decisions easily influenced by others.
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Re: DeSantis signs law requiring college faculty, students to take surveys on beliefs
Posted by lululu
Posted by JennP
Posted by windyweather21
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I didn't read through all of the posts but just to address a couple of things - for certain professions college is not optional. For example, I wanted to be an accountant, I needed a degree. Second, for many, in state schools are the ONLY affordable option for college so to that extent, they may not just be able to choose another school. This survey only addressed state schools, which are funded by state taxpayer dollars.
So with that being said, if the only option for you to get a job in your desired profession was to go to a STATE SCHOOL in your home state and that school openly spoke to students about how Trump is great and the only right way to think is to be a trump supporter, offered anti abortion rhetoric, etc, you would all be okay with this? The only reason you all are upset with it is because it is traditionally left wing views that are presented on college campuses. But let's say it was the other way around and everything around you seemed to discourage any left wing views. That wouldn't bother any of you?
Good luck getting an answer as I asked that.
Obviously they all think this is a fake thing that is happening and Desantis MUST be making it all up. SMH
I thought I made myself clear, but I'll elaborate.
It's not a concern of mine because I would teach my son better, and part of that is equipping him to not be brainwashed by right wing nutjobs. It would be his decision whether to change schools, drop the class, etc. if a professor was hardcore but regardless he would be able to push back with logical arguments because of what I would teach him.
Second of all, and I didn't say this earlier, but there is a reason why students are more likely to be exposed to progressive views in college, and that's because right wing views are more likely to be based on falsehoods and do not hold up to the scrutiny of critical thinking.
I'm not saying intelligent people cannot have more conservative views; I am speaking of more extreme views. I am saying that people with good critical thinking skills will not adapt extreme right wing views.
And no, De Santis has no credibility with me. Because he's saying it's happening bears no connection to whether or not it actually is. I already explained why he would make it up. I could elaborate on that, but in short, he wants to run for president and the direction of the Repub party is clear. You must embrace the grievance politics to succeed.
I personally find that anyone that leans too far right or too far left is a "nutjob." I think that anyone with good critical thinking will also likely not adapt to extreme left views. However, I will say that college aged students are definitely at a vulnerable age - old enough to live independently but naive enough to have their thoughts and decisions easily influenced by others.
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Re: DeSantis signs law requiring college faculty, students to take surveys on beliefs
Posted by lululu
Posted by JennP
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by lululu
I didn't read through all of the posts but just to address a couple of things - for certain professions college is not optional. For example, I wanted to be an accountant, I needed a degree. Second, for many, in state schools are the ONLY affordable option for college so to that extent, they may not just be able to choose another school. This survey only addressed state schools, which are funded by state taxpayer dollars.
So with that being said, if the only option for you to get a job in your desired profession was to go to a STATE SCHOOL in your home state and that school openly spoke to students about how Trump is great and the only right way to think is to be a trump supporter, offered anti abortion rhetoric, etc, you would all be okay with this? The only reason you all are upset with it is because it is traditionally left wing views that are presented on college campuses. But let's say it was the other way around and everything around you seemed to discourage any left wing views. That wouldn't bother any of you?
Good luck getting an answer as I asked that.
Obviously they all think this is a fake thing that is happening and Desantis MUST be making it all up. SMH
I thought I made myself clear, but I'll elaborate.
It's not a concern of mine because I would teach my son better, and part of that is equipping him to not be brainwashed by right wing nutjobs. It would be his decision whether to change schools, drop the class, etc. if a professor was hardcore but regardless he would be able to push back with logical arguments because of what I would teach him.
Second of all, and I didn't say this earlier, but there is a reason why students are more likely to be exposed to progressive views in college, and that's because right wing views are more likely to be based on falsehoods and do not hold up to the scrutiny of critical thinking.
I'm not saying intelligent people cannot have more conservative views; I am speaking of more extreme views. I am saying that people with good critical thinking skills will not adapt extreme right wing views.
And no, De Santis has no credibility with me. Because he's saying it's happening bears no connection to whether or not it actually is. I already explained why he would make it up. I could elaborate on that, but in short, he wants to run for president and the direction of the Repub party is clear. You must embrace the grievance politics to succeed.
I personally find that anyone that leans too far right or too far left is a "nutjob." I think that anyone with good critical thinking will also likely not adapt to extreme left views. However, I will say that college aged students are definitely at a vulnerable age - old enough to live independently but naive enough to have their thoughts and decisions easily influenced by others.
I don't necessarily disagree - the abolition of private property is not something I am down for lol. I was just responding to the question you and WW were asking which was specifically about a right wing professor and why I would not be concerned.
But I also need to counter the implication that it's an equal playing field. There really is no extreme left wing movement in this country the way there is an extreme right wing movement. If you compare, for example, the numbers of people who believe in extreme left wing theories (i.e. actual communism) the number is much, much smaller than the number of people who believe in Qanon, Trump is coming back in August, etc.
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Re: DeSantis signs law requiring college faculty, students to take surveys on beliefs
Posted by JennP
Posted by lululu
Posted by JennP
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by lululu
I didn't read through all of the posts but just to address a couple of things - for certain professions college is not optional. For example, I wanted to be an accountant, I needed a degree. Second, for many, in state schools are the ONLY affordable option for college so to that extent, they may not just be able to choose another school. This survey only addressed state schools, which are funded by state taxpayer dollars.
So with that being said, if the only option for you to get a job in your desired profession was to go to a STATE SCHOOL in your home state and that school openly spoke to students about how Trump is great and the only right way to think is to be a trump supporter, offered anti abortion rhetoric, etc, you would all be okay with this? The only reason you all are upset with it is because it is traditionally left wing views that are presented on college campuses. But let's say it was the other way around and everything around you seemed to discourage any left wing views. That wouldn't bother any of you?
Good luck getting an answer as I asked that.
Obviously they all think this is a fake thing that is happening and Desantis MUST be making it all up. SMH
I thought I made myself clear, but I'll elaborate.
It's not a concern of mine because I would teach my son better, and part of that is equipping him to not be brainwashed by right wing nutjobs. It would be his decision whether to change schools, drop the class, etc. if a professor was hardcore but regardless he would be able to push back with logical arguments because of what I would teach him.
Second of all, and I didn't say this earlier, but there is a reason why students are more likely to be exposed to progressive views in college, and that's because right wing views are more likely to be based on falsehoods and do not hold up to the scrutiny of critical thinking.
I'm not saying intelligent people cannot have more conservative views; I am speaking of more extreme views. I am saying that people with good critical thinking skills will not adapt extreme right wing views.
And no, De Santis has no credibility with me. Because he's saying it's happening bears no connection to whether or not it actually is. I already explained why he would make it up. I could elaborate on that, but in short, he wants to run for president and the direction of the Repub party is clear. You must embrace the grievance politics to succeed.
I personally find that anyone that leans too far right or too far left is a "nutjob." I think that anyone with good critical thinking will also likely not adapt to extreme left views. However, I will say that college aged students are definitely at a vulnerable age - old enough to live independently but naive enough to have their thoughts and decisions easily influenced by others.
I don't necessarily disagree - the abolition of private property is not something I am down for lol. I was just responding to the question you and WW were asking which was specifically about a right wing professor and why I would not be concerned.
But I also need to counter the implication that it's an equal playing field. There really is no extreme left wing movement in this country the way there is an extreme right wing movement. If you compare, for example, the numbers of people who believe in extreme left wing theories (i.e. actual communism) the number is much, much smaller than the number of people who believe in Qanon, Trump is coming back in August, etc.
To be honest I do not know enough about the topic to really speak intelligently about it, but I will say that some of the more left views of tax policy are very scary. But I am an accountant so my concerns politically primarily have to do with the economy and financial concerns.
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Re: DeSantis signs law requiring college faculty, students to take surveys on beliefs
Posted by JennP
Posted by lululu
Posted by JennP
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by lululu
I didn't read through all of the posts but just to address a couple of things - for certain professions college is not optional. For example, I wanted to be an accountant, I needed a degree. Second, for many, in state schools are the ONLY affordable option for college so to that extent, they may not just be able to choose another school. This survey only addressed state schools, which are funded by state taxpayer dollars.
So with that being said, if the only option for you to get a job in your desired profession was to go to a STATE SCHOOL in your home state and that school openly spoke to students about how Trump is great and the only right way to think is to be a trump supporter, offered anti abortion rhetoric, etc, you would all be okay with this? The only reason you all are upset with it is because it is traditionally left wing views that are presented on college campuses. But let's say it was the other way around and everything around you seemed to discourage any left wing views. That wouldn't bother any of you?
Good luck getting an answer as I asked that.
Obviously they all think this is a fake thing that is happening and Desantis MUST be making it all up. SMH
I thought I made myself clear, but I'll elaborate.
It's not a concern of mine because I would teach my son better, and part of that is equipping him to not be brainwashed by right wing nutjobs. It would be his decision whether to change schools, drop the class, etc. if a professor was hardcore but regardless he would be able to push back with logical arguments because of what I would teach him.
Second of all, and I didn't say this earlier, but there is a reason why students are more likely to be exposed to progressive views in college, and that's because right wing views are more likely to be based on falsehoods and do not hold up to the scrutiny of critical thinking.
I'm not saying intelligent people cannot have more conservative views; I am speaking of more extreme views. I am saying that people with good critical thinking skills will not adapt extreme right wing views.
And no, De Santis has no credibility with me. Because he's saying it's happening bears no connection to whether or not it actually is. I already explained why he would make it up. I could elaborate on that, but in short, he wants to run for president and the direction of the Repub party is clear. You must embrace the grievance politics to succeed.
I personally find that anyone that leans too far right or too far left is a "nutjob." I think that anyone with good critical thinking will also likely not adapt to extreme left views. However, I will say that college aged students are definitely at a vulnerable age - old enough to live independently but naive enough to have their thoughts and decisions easily influenced by others.
I don't necessarily disagree - the abolition of private property is not something I am down for lol. I was just responding to the question you and WW were asking which was specifically about a right wing professor and why I would not be concerned.
But I also need to counter the implication that it's an equal playing field. There really is no extreme left wing movement in this country the way there is an extreme right wing movement. If you compare, for example, the numbers of people who believe in extreme left wing theories (i.e. actual communism) the number is much, much smaller than the number of people who believe in Qanon, Trump is coming back in August, etc.
You honestly don’t think there is extreme people on the left?
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Re: DeSantis signs law requiring college faculty, students to take surveys on beliefs
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by JennP
Posted by lululu
Posted by JennP
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by lululu
I didn't read through all of the posts but just to address a couple of things - for certain professions college is not optional. For example, I wanted to be an accountant, I needed a degree. Second, for many, in state schools are the ONLY affordable option for college so to that extent, they may not just be able to choose another school. This survey only addressed state schools, which are funded by state taxpayer dollars.
So with that being said, if the only option for you to get a job in your desired profession was to go to a STATE SCHOOL in your home state and that school openly spoke to students about how Trump is great and the only right way to think is to be a trump supporter, offered anti abortion rhetoric, etc, you would all be okay with this? The only reason you all are upset with it is because it is traditionally left wing views that are presented on college campuses. But let's say it was the other way around and everything around you seemed to discourage any left wing views. That wouldn't bother any of you?
Good luck getting an answer as I asked that.
Obviously they all think this is a fake thing that is happening and Desantis MUST be making it all up. SMH
I thought I made myself clear, but I'll elaborate.
It's not a concern of mine because I would teach my son better, and part of that is equipping him to not be brainwashed by right wing nutjobs. It would be his decision whether to change schools, drop the class, etc. if a professor was hardcore but regardless he would be able to push back with logical arguments because of what I would teach him.
Second of all, and I didn't say this earlier, but there is a reason why students are more likely to be exposed to progressive views in college, and that's because right wing views are more likely to be based on falsehoods and do not hold up to the scrutiny of critical thinking.
I'm not saying intelligent people cannot have more conservative views; I am speaking of more extreme views. I am saying that people with good critical thinking skills will not adapt extreme right wing views.
And no, De Santis has no credibility with me. Because he's saying it's happening bears no connection to whether or not it actually is. I already explained why he would make it up. I could elaborate on that, but in short, he wants to run for president and the direction of the Repub party is clear. You must embrace the grievance politics to succeed.
I personally find that anyone that leans too far right or too far left is a "nutjob." I think that anyone with good critical thinking will also likely not adapt to extreme left views. However, I will say that college aged students are definitely at a vulnerable age - old enough to live independently but naive enough to have their thoughts and decisions easily influenced by others.
I don't necessarily disagree - the abolition of private property is not something I am down for lol. I was just responding to the question you and WW were asking which was specifically about a right wing professor and why I would not be concerned.
But I also need to counter the implication that it's an equal playing field. There really is no extreme left wing movement in this country the way there is an extreme right wing movement. If you compare, for example, the numbers of people who believe in extreme left wing theories (i.e. actual communism) the number is much, much smaller than the number of people who believe in Qanon, Trump is coming back in August, etc.
You honestly don’t think there is extreme people on the left?
Did you READ her response? And more importantly, did you comprehend her response? I'm going with "no" to both of those questions
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Re: DeSantis signs law requiring college faculty, students to take surveys on beliefs
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by JennP
Posted by lululu
Posted by JennP
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by lululu
I didn't read through all of the posts but just to address a couple of things - for certain professions college is not optional. For example, I wanted to be an accountant, I needed a degree. Second, for many, in state schools are the ONLY affordable option for college so to that extent, they may not just be able to choose another school. This survey only addressed state schools, which are funded by state taxpayer dollars.
So with that being said, if the only option for you to get a job in your desired profession was to go to a STATE SCHOOL in your home state and that school openly spoke to students about how Trump is great and the only right way to think is to be a trump supporter, offered anti abortion rhetoric, etc, you would all be okay with this? The only reason you all are upset with it is because it is traditionally left wing views that are presented on college campuses. But let's say it was the other way around and everything around you seemed to discourage any left wing views. That wouldn't bother any of you?
Good luck getting an answer as I asked that.
Obviously they all think this is a fake thing that is happening and Desantis MUST be making it all up. SMH
I thought I made myself clear, but I'll elaborate.
It's not a concern of mine because I would teach my son better, and part of that is equipping him to not be brainwashed by right wing nutjobs. It would be his decision whether to change schools, drop the class, etc. if a professor was hardcore but regardless he would be able to push back with logical arguments because of what I would teach him.
Second of all, and I didn't say this earlier, but there is a reason why students are more likely to be exposed to progressive views in college, and that's because right wing views are more likely to be based on falsehoods and do not hold up to the scrutiny of critical thinking.
I'm not saying intelligent people cannot have more conservative views; I am speaking of more extreme views. I am saying that people with good critical thinking skills will not adapt extreme right wing views.
And no, De Santis has no credibility with me. Because he's saying it's happening bears no connection to whether or not it actually is. I already explained why he would make it up. I could elaborate on that, but in short, he wants to run for president and the direction of the Repub party is clear. You must embrace the grievance politics to succeed.
I personally find that anyone that leans too far right or too far left is a "nutjob." I think that anyone with good critical thinking will also likely not adapt to extreme left views. However, I will say that college aged students are definitely at a vulnerable age - old enough to live independently but naive enough to have their thoughts and decisions easily influenced by others.
I don't necessarily disagree - the abolition of private property is not something I am down for lol. I was just responding to the question you and WW were asking which was specifically about a right wing professor and why I would not be concerned.
But I also need to counter the implication that it's an equal playing field. There really is no extreme left wing movement in this country the way there is an extreme right wing movement. If you compare, for example, the numbers of people who believe in extreme left wing theories (i.e. actual communism) the number is much, much smaller than the number of people who believe in Qanon, Trump is coming back in August, etc.
You honestly don’t think there is extreme people on the left?
Did you READ her response? And more importantly, did you comprehend her response? I'm going with "no" to both of those questions
Yup I did
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Re: DeSantis signs law requiring college faculty, students to take surveys on beliefs
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by JennP
Posted by lululu
Posted by JennP
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by lululu
I didn't read through all of the posts but just to address a couple of things - for certain professions college is not optional. For example, I wanted to be an accountant, I needed a degree. Second, for many, in state schools are the ONLY affordable option for college so to that extent, they may not just be able to choose another school. This survey only addressed state schools, which are funded by state taxpayer dollars.
So with that being said, if the only option for you to get a job in your desired profession was to go to a STATE SCHOOL in your home state and that school openly spoke to students about how Trump is great and the only right way to think is to be a trump supporter, offered anti abortion rhetoric, etc, you would all be okay with this? The only reason you all are upset with it is because it is traditionally left wing views that are presented on college campuses. But let's say it was the other way around and everything around you seemed to discourage any left wing views. That wouldn't bother any of you?
Good luck getting an answer as I asked that.
Obviously they all think this is a fake thing that is happening and Desantis MUST be making it all up. SMH
I thought I made myself clear, but I'll elaborate.
It's not a concern of mine because I would teach my son better, and part of that is equipping him to not be brainwashed by right wing nutjobs. It would be his decision whether to change schools, drop the class, etc. if a professor was hardcore but regardless he would be able to push back with logical arguments because of what I would teach him.
Second of all, and I didn't say this earlier, but there is a reason why students are more likely to be exposed to progressive views in college, and that's because right wing views are more likely to be based on falsehoods and do not hold up to the scrutiny of critical thinking.
I'm not saying intelligent people cannot have more conservative views; I am speaking of more extreme views. I am saying that people with good critical thinking skills will not adapt extreme right wing views.
And no, De Santis has no credibility with me. Because he's saying it's happening bears no connection to whether or not it actually is. I already explained why he would make it up. I could elaborate on that, but in short, he wants to run for president and the direction of the Repub party is clear. You must embrace the grievance politics to succeed.
I personally find that anyone that leans too far right or too far left is a "nutjob." I think that anyone with good critical thinking will also likely not adapt to extreme left views. However, I will say that college aged students are definitely at a vulnerable age - old enough to live independently but naive enough to have their thoughts and decisions easily influenced by others.
I don't necessarily disagree - the abolition of private property is not something I am down for lol. I was just responding to the question you and WW were asking which was specifically about a right wing professor and why I would not be concerned.
But I also need to counter the implication that it's an equal playing field. There really is no extreme left wing movement in this country the way there is an extreme right wing movement. If you compare, for example, the numbers of people who believe in extreme left wing theories (i.e. actual communism) the number is much, much smaller than the number of people who believe in Qanon, Trump is coming back in August, etc.
You honestly don’t think there is extreme people on the left?
That is not what I said.
I said that the contingent of people who have extreme left wing views is much smaller than the contingent of people with extreme right wing views. Compare membership in the Communist party with the number of people who believe Qanon. Not even close.
The country's politics have shifted right in so many ways that people do not understand what extreme left wing means. Medicare for all is not extreme left wing. Police reform is not extreme left wing. Abortion rights is not extreme left wing. The push for equal pay is not .... Etc. etc.
A study of history shows this clearly. Biden, for example, is basically an Eisenhower Republican on the economy. It wasn't until the Reagan era, when the top tier tax rates were cut dramatically, that the schism between the parties on most issues widened so drastically. It was all part of a careful plan called the Southern Strategy in response to the civil rights legislation of the 60s.
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Re: DeSantis signs law requiring college faculty, students to take surveys on beliefs
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by JennP
Posted by lululu
Posted by JennP
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by lululu
I didn't read through all of the posts but just to address a couple of things - for certain professions college is not optional. For example, I wanted to be an accountant, I needed a degree. Second, for many, in state schools are the ONLY affordable option for college so to that extent, they may not just be able to choose another school. This survey only addressed state schools, which are funded by state taxpayer dollars.
So with that being said, if the only option for you to get a job in your desired profession was to go to a STATE SCHOOL in your home state and that school openly spoke to students about how Trump is great and the only right way to think is to be a trump supporter, offered anti abortion rhetoric, etc, you would all be okay with this? The only reason you all are upset with it is because it is traditionally left wing views that are presented on college campuses. But let's say it was the other way around and everything around you seemed to discourage any left wing views. That wouldn't bother any of you?
Good luck getting an answer as I asked that.
Obviously they all think this is a fake thing that is happening and Desantis MUST be making it all up. SMH
I thought I made myself clear, but I'll elaborate.
It's not a concern of mine because I would teach my son better, and part of that is equipping him to not be brainwashed by right wing nutjobs. It would be his decision whether to change schools, drop the class, etc. if a professor was hardcore but regardless he would be able to push back with logical arguments because of what I would teach him.
Second of all, and I didn't say this earlier, but there is a reason why students are more likely to be exposed to progressive views in college, and that's because right wing views are more likely to be based on falsehoods and do not hold up to the scrutiny of critical thinking.
I'm not saying intelligent people cannot have more conservative views; I am speaking of more extreme views. I am saying that people with good critical thinking skills will not adapt extreme right wing views.
And no, De Santis has no credibility with me. Because he's saying it's happening bears no connection to whether or not it actually is. I already explained why he would make it up. I could elaborate on that, but in short, he wants to run for president and the direction of the Repub party is clear. You must embrace the grievance politics to succeed.
I personally find that anyone that leans too far right or too far left is a "nutjob." I think that anyone with good critical thinking will also likely not adapt to extreme left views. However, I will say that college aged students are definitely at a vulnerable age - old enough to live independently but naive enough to have their thoughts and decisions easily influenced by others.
I don't necessarily disagree - the abolition of private property is not something I am down for lol. I was just responding to the question you and WW were asking which was specifically about a right wing professor and why I would not be concerned.
But I also need to counter the implication that it's an equal playing field. There really is no extreme left wing movement in this country the way there is an extreme right wing movement. If you compare, for example, the numbers of people who believe in extreme left wing theories (i.e. actual communism) the number is much, much smaller than the number of people who believe in Qanon, Trump is coming back in August, etc.
You honestly don’t think there is extreme people on the left?
Did you READ her response? And more importantly, did you comprehend her response? I'm going with "no" to both of those questions
Yup I did
Well then your reading comprehension skills clearly leave room for improvement
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Re: DeSantis signs law requiring college faculty, students to take surveys on beliefs
Posted by JennP
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by JennP
Posted by lululu
Posted by JennP
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by lululu
I didn't read through all of the posts but just to address a couple of things - for certain professions college is not optional. For example, I wanted to be an accountant, I needed a degree. Second, for many, in state schools are the ONLY affordable option for college so to that extent, they may not just be able to choose another school. This survey only addressed state schools, which are funded by state taxpayer dollars.
So with that being said, if the only option for you to get a job in your desired profession was to go to a STATE SCHOOL in your home state and that school openly spoke to students about how Trump is great and the only right way to think is to be a trump supporter, offered anti abortion rhetoric, etc, you would all be okay with this? The only reason you all are upset with it is because it is traditionally left wing views that are presented on college campuses. But let's say it was the other way around and everything around you seemed to discourage any left wing views. That wouldn't bother any of you?
Good luck getting an answer as I asked that.
Obviously they all think this is a fake thing that is happening and Desantis MUST be making it all up. SMH
I thought I made myself clear, but I'll elaborate.
It's not a concern of mine because I would teach my son better, and part of that is equipping him to not be brainwashed by right wing nutjobs. It would be his decision whether to change schools, drop the class, etc. if a professor was hardcore but regardless he would be able to push back with logical arguments because of what I would teach him.
Second of all, and I didn't say this earlier, but there is a reason why students are more likely to be exposed to progressive views in college, and that's because right wing views are more likely to be based on falsehoods and do not hold up to the scrutiny of critical thinking.
I'm not saying intelligent people cannot have more conservative views; I am speaking of more extreme views. I am saying that people with good critical thinking skills will not adapt extreme right wing views.
And no, De Santis has no credibility with me. Because he's saying it's happening bears no connection to whether or not it actually is. I already explained why he would make it up. I could elaborate on that, but in short, he wants to run for president and the direction of the Repub party is clear. You must embrace the grievance politics to succeed.
I personally find that anyone that leans too far right or too far left is a "nutjob." I think that anyone with good critical thinking will also likely not adapt to extreme left views. However, I will say that college aged students are definitely at a vulnerable age - old enough to live independently but naive enough to have their thoughts and decisions easily influenced by others.
I don't necessarily disagree - the abolition of private property is not something I am down for lol. I was just responding to the question you and WW were asking which was specifically about a right wing professor and why I would not be concerned.
But I also need to counter the implication that it's an equal playing field. There really is no extreme left wing movement in this country the way there is an extreme right wing movement. If you compare, for example, the numbers of people who believe in extreme left wing theories (i.e. actual communism) the number is much, much smaller than the number of people who believe in Qanon, Trump is coming back in August, etc.
You honestly don’t think there is extreme people on the left?
That is not what I said.
I said that the contingent of people who have extreme left wing views is much smaller than the contingent of people with extreme right wing views. Compare membership in the Communist party with the number of people who believe Qanon. Not even close.
The country's politics have shifted right in so many ways that people do not understand what extreme left wing means. Medicare for all is not extreme left wing. Police reform is not extreme left wing. Abortion rights is not extreme left wing. The push for equal pay is not .... Etc. etc.
A study of history shows this clearly. Biden, for example, is basically an Eisenhower Republican on the economy. It wasn't until the Reagan era, when the top tier tax rates were cut dramatically, that the schism between the parties on most issues widened so drastically. It was all part of a careful plan called the Southern Strategy in response to the civil rights legislation of the 60s.
Can you give examples of how the country's politics have shifted right? I feel like the trend has always been for them to shift left with the exception of some economic policies. I am genuinely curious.
While I don't think some kind of universal medicare (or Obamacare) is "extreme," I do think that socialized medicine is "extreme" left wing. Abortion is a strange topic to me because I do tend to favor the rights of the fetus over the rights of the mother but I know that is a widely unaccepted view and I don't presume to put my beliefs on others. Police reform is not an extreme left wing view but abolition of the police force is and there are many that believe in that. So I do think I would consider some left wing people to have "extreme" views that you might not.
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Re: DeSantis signs law requiring college faculty, students to take surveys on beliefs
Posted by JennP
Posted by windyweather21
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I didn't read through all of the posts but just to address a couple of things - for certain professions college is not optional. For example, I wanted to be an accountant, I needed a degree. Second, for many, in state schools are the ONLY affordable option for college so to that extent, they may not just be able to choose another school. This survey only addressed state schools, which are funded by state taxpayer dollars.
So with that being said, if the only option for you to get a job in your desired profession was to go to a STATE SCHOOL in your home state and that school openly spoke to students about how Trump is great and the only right way to think is to be a trump supporter, offered anti abortion rhetoric, etc, you would all be okay with this? The only reason you all are upset with it is because it is traditionally left wing views that are presented on college campuses. But let's say it was the other way around and everything around you seemed to discourage any left wing views. That wouldn't bother any of you?
Good luck getting an answer as I asked that.
Obviously they all think this is a fake thing that is happening and Desantis MUST be making it all up. SMH
I thought I made myself clear, but I'll elaborate.
It's not a concern of mine because I would teach my son better, and part of that is equipping him to not be brainwashed by right wing nutjobs. It would be his decision whether to change schools, drop the class, etc. if a professor was hardcore but regardless he would be able to push back with logical arguments because of what I would teach him.
Second of all, and I didn't say this earlier, but there is a reason why students are more likely to be exposed to progressive views in college, and that's because right wing views are more likely to be based on falsehoods and do not hold up to the scrutiny of critical thinking.
I'm not saying intelligent people cannot have more conservative views; I am speaking of more extreme views. I am saying that people with good critical thinking skills will not adapt extreme right wing views.
And no, De Santis has no credibility with me. Because he's saying it's happening bears no connection to whether or not it actually is. I already explained why he would make it up. I could elaborate on that, but in short, he wants to run for president and the direction of the Repub party is clear. You must embrace the grievance politics to succeed.
I personally find that anyone that leans too far right or too far left is a "nutjob." I think that anyone with good critical thinking will also likely not adapt to extreme left views. However, I will say that college aged students are definitely at a vulnerable age - old enough to live independently but naive enough to have their thoughts and decisions easily influenced by others.
I don't necessarily disagree - the abolition of private property is not something I am down for lol. I was just responding to the question you and WW were asking which was specifically about a right wing professor and why I would not be concerned.
But I also need to counter the implication that it's an equal playing field. There really is no extreme left wing movement in this country the way there is an extreme right wing movement. If you compare, for example, the numbers of people who believe in extreme left wing theories (i.e. actual communism) the number is much, much smaller than the number of people who believe in Qanon, Trump is coming back in August, etc.
You honestly don’t think there is extreme people on the left?
That is not what I said.
I said that the contingent of people who have extreme left wing views is much smaller than the contingent of people with extreme right wing views. Compare membership in the Communist party with the number of people who believe Qanon. Not even close.
The country's politics have shifted right in so many ways that people do not understand what extreme left wing means. Medicare for all is not extreme left wing. Police reform is not extreme left wing. Abortion rights is not extreme left wing. The push for equal pay is not .... Etc. etc.
A study of history shows this clearly. Biden, for example, is basically an Eisenhower Republican on the economy. It wasn't until the Reagan era, when the top tier tax rates were cut dramatically, that the schism between the parties on most issues widened so drastically. It was all part of a careful plan called the Southern Strategy in response to the civil rights legislation of the 60s.
I am speaking more of “regular” people in your everyday life who are so set against Republicans and as of recent, Trump.
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Re: DeSantis signs law requiring college faculty, students to take surveys on beliefs
Posted by lululu
Posted by JennP
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by JennP
Posted by lululu
Posted by JennP
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by lululu
I didn't read through all of the posts but just to address a couple of things - for certain professions college is not optional. For example, I wanted to be an accountant, I needed a degree. Second, for many, in state schools are the ONLY affordable option for college so to that extent, they may not just be able to choose another school. This survey only addressed state schools, which are funded by state taxpayer dollars.
So with that being said, if the only option for you to get a job in your desired profession was to go to a STATE SCHOOL in your home state and that school openly spoke to students about how Trump is great and the only right way to think is to be a trump supporter, offered anti abortion rhetoric, etc, you would all be okay with this? The only reason you all are upset with it is because it is traditionally left wing views that are presented on college campuses. But let's say it was the other way around and everything around you seemed to discourage any left wing views. That wouldn't bother any of you?
Good luck getting an answer as I asked that.
Obviously they all think this is a fake thing that is happening and Desantis MUST be making it all up. SMH
I thought I made myself clear, but I'll elaborate.
It's not a concern of mine because I would teach my son better, and part of that is equipping him to not be brainwashed by right wing nutjobs. It would be his decision whether to change schools, drop the class, etc. if a professor was hardcore but regardless he would be able to push back with logical arguments because of what I would teach him.
Second of all, and I didn't say this earlier, but there is a reason why students are more likely to be exposed to progressive views in college, and that's because right wing views are more likely to be based on falsehoods and do not hold up to the scrutiny of critical thinking.
I'm not saying intelligent people cannot have more conservative views; I am speaking of more extreme views. I am saying that people with good critical thinking skills will not adapt extreme right wing views.
And no, De Santis has no credibility with me. Because he's saying it's happening bears no connection to whether or not it actually is. I already explained why he would make it up. I could elaborate on that, but in short, he wants to run for president and the direction of the Repub party is clear. You must embrace the grievance politics to succeed.
I personally find that anyone that leans too far right or too far left is a "nutjob." I think that anyone with good critical thinking will also likely not adapt to extreme left views. However, I will say that college aged students are definitely at a vulnerable age - old enough to live independently but naive enough to have their thoughts and decisions easily influenced by others.
I don't necessarily disagree - the abolition of private property is not something I am down for lol. I was just responding to the question you and WW were asking which was specifically about a right wing professor and why I would not be concerned.
But I also need to counter the implication that it's an equal playing field. There really is no extreme left wing movement in this country the way there is an extreme right wing movement. If you compare, for example, the numbers of people who believe in extreme left wing theories (i.e. actual communism) the number is much, much smaller than the number of people who believe in Qanon, Trump is coming back in August, etc.
You honestly don’t think there is extreme people on the left?
That is not what I said.
I said that the contingent of people who have extreme left wing views is much smaller than the contingent of people with extreme right wing views. Compare membership in the Communist party with the number of people who believe Qanon. Not even close.
The country's politics have shifted right in so many ways that people do not understand what extreme left wing means. Medicare for all is not extreme left wing. Police reform is not extreme left wing. Abortion rights is not extreme left wing. The push for equal pay is not .... Etc. etc.
A study of history shows this clearly. Biden, for example, is basically an Eisenhower Republican on the economy. It wasn't until the Reagan era, when the top tier tax rates were cut dramatically, that the schism between the parties on most issues widened so drastically. It was all part of a careful plan called the Southern Strategy in response to the civil rights legislation of the 60s.
Can you give examples of how the country's politics have shifted right? I feel like the trend has always been for them to shift left with the exception of some economic policies. I am genuinely curious.
While I don't think some kind of universal medicare (or Obamacare) is "extreme," I do think that socialized medicine is "extreme" left wing. Abortion is a strange topic to me because I do tend to favor the rights of the fetus over the rights of the mother but I know that is a widely unaccepted view and I don't presume to put my beliefs on others. Police reform is not an extreme left wing view but abolition of the police force is and there are many that believe in that. So I do think I would consider some left wing people to have "extreme" views that you might not.
Sure.
I want to address your counterpoints first. Respectfully, the spectrum isn't particularly debatable. It is what it is. Extreme left wing is communism/socialism. I.e. abolition of private property. Literally no one I know goes that far.
Polls indicate 50-70% of people support Medicare for All. Potentially polarizing because feelings are strong, yes, but with those numbers, not even close to extreme. Abortion rights, which the right wing still rails against, are also comfortably mainstream. (Your argument, btw, is at the crux of what abortion rights means. Your personal choice has nothing to do with others' choices.) And I said police reform, not abolish the police, for a reason. There are actually some Repubs who have voiced support for police reform!
In short, there are things that might appear extreme to you, but aren't actually extreme.
Regarding your question, here are my thoughts (and I am going to define some things I suspect you know for others reading):
Gerrymandering - This is the manipulation of the boundaries of a state's districts to maximize the wins of a certain party. Repubs do this much, much more often than Dems. Wisconsin, Ohio, and Texas have a lot of this. For example, there is a district in Cincinnati that packs as many Dem voters as possible into one district to ensure Repub wins in several others. When this happens, those districts become safe Republican. As a result, they do not have to compete against a Dem candidate, and their actual competition comes from the extreme right. MTG is a great example of this - she would never have been able to get elected without partisan gerrymandering. This leads to an increasing number of extreme right wing representatives in Congress and state legislatures, pushing the agenda to the right. This is a big part of the reason why so many in Congress supported the big lie and contested the results of the election.
Voter suppression - It's been around forever, and always favors Republicans. The efforts have become more blatant recently. As a result of this, representatives feel they do not have to answer to their constituents, and can instead ensure they favor their donors. This is a big part of the reason the corporate tax rate has fallen so much in the last forty years. The measure is extremely unpopular, but many Republicans are shielded from having to answer to all constituents. (To be fair, both parties regularly accept corporate donations, although an increasing number of progressive Dems will not.)
Anti immigrant/nativist rhetoric - Nativism has increased greatly in the past several years. There are so many examples. Even GWB supported immigration reform and a path to citizenship. You would never see that from a Repub president today!
Anti institutionalism - Years ago, you would never see such railing against NATO, the WHO, the Justice department, etc. by not only Trump but by some of the Republican establishment.
I could keep going but I'm almost out of time. In short, the Republican party has moved much further to the right than the Democratic party has moved to the left, shifting the country's politics as a whole.
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