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Re: Do you agree with or disagree with the police officers turning their backs on Diblasio again?
Posted by mrsBLT
Posted by whoababy11
eric garner was not resisting arrest. he was CLEARLY in a defensive posture, and he did not deserve to be piled on and killed. i will never understand why it is wrong for the mayor to question the police and some of their policies. why is it that the police always want to be infallible, having to answer to no one?
i think their turning of their backs at both funerals was in very poor taste. those poor mens funerals were not the time or place for them to make a statement
You're kidding, right? I guess you haven't watched the video. You should probably watch it and pay special attention to section 1:16 to 1:21.
of course i watched it. no need to be condescending. i don't see how a human being with any kind of heart can watch that video and not feel disgust and horror at watching a man die. all over loose cigarettes. its ridiculous and a travesty.
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Re: Do you agree with or disagree with the police officers turning their backs on Diblasio again?
Posted by whoababy11
Posted by mrsBLT
Posted by whoababy11
eric garner was not resisting arrest. he was CLEARLY in a defensive posture, and he did not deserve to be piled on and killed. i will never understand why it is wrong for the mayor to question the police and some of their policies. why is it that the police always want to be infallible, having to answer to no one?
i think their turning of their backs at both funerals was in very poor taste. those poor mens funerals were not the time or place for them to make a statement
You're kidding, right? I guess you haven't watched the video. You should probably watch it and pay special attention to section 1:16 to 1:21.
of course i watched it. no need to be condescending. i don't see how a human being with any kind of heart can watch that video and not feel disgust and horror at watching a man die. all over loose cigarettes. its ridiculous and a travesty.
Hmmmmm sounds like the ol adage "Please don't let the facts get in the way of a good bull-shit story" lol....defensive posture is resisting arrest...and since you said you watched the tapes you should know that swatting a cops arm away when he's trying to arrest you is resisting arrest....saying it ends today I'm not going is resisting arrest....you don't choose whether the cop is going to arrest you whether you have evidence you are innocent or not that's for the courts....and as for watching him die on the video that's impossible since he died two hours or so later in the hospital....and now although we all saw the tapes and we all want to slap a shingle on our doors making us lawyers the bottom line is you tube Is not the only evidence that the grand jury went through ....facts are facts use them
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Re: Do you agree with or disagree with the police officers turning their backs on Diblasio again?
Posted by whoababy11
Posted by mrsBLT
Posted by whoababy11
eric garner was not resisting arrest. he was CLEARLY in a defensive posture, and he did not deserve to be piled on and killed. i will never understand why it is wrong for the mayor to question the police and some of their policies. why is it that the police always want to be infallible, having to answer to no one?
i think their turning of their backs at both funerals was in very poor taste. those poor mens funerals were not the time or place for them to make a statement
You're kidding, right? I guess you haven't watched the video. You should probably watch it and pay special attention to section 1:16 to 1:21.
of course i watched it. no need to be condescending. i don't see how a human being with any kind of heart can watch that video and not feel disgust and horror at watching a man die. all over loose cigarettes. its ridiculous and a travesty.
ITA. I feel the back turning was disrespectful to the families of the murdered cops much more than the mayor. Turn your back on him during a press conference or something.
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MrsA1012
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Re: Do you agree with or disagree with the police officers turning their backs on Diblasio again?
Posted by sometimesmommy
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You can't have it both ways. You can't have people revolting against them, protesting, spitting at them, attacking them, and expect them still to crack down on petty crimes. It can't work that way.
If you are getting paid to do a job you should do it. period.
not do it at your own discretion....
Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't officers responding to an email encouraging them to avoid arrests unless absolutely necessary, send to two cars to emergency calls etc? Didn't protocol change after the murder of the two officers before Christmas?
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Re: Do you agree with or disagree with the police officers turning their backs on Diblasio again?
Posted by JenandMikey
Posted by whoababy11
Posted by mrsBLT
Posted by whoababy11
eric garner was not resisting arrest. he was CLEARLY in a defensive posture, and he did not deserve to be piled on and killed. i will never understand why it is wrong for the mayor to question the police and some of their policies. why is it that the police always want to be infallible, having to answer to no one?
i think their turning of their backs at both funerals was in very poor taste. those poor mens funerals were not the time or place for them to make a statement
You're kidding, right? I guess you haven't watched the video. You should probably watch it and pay special attention to section 1:16 to 1:21.
of course i watched it. no need to be condescending. i don't see how a human being with any kind of heart can watch that video and not feel disgust and horror at watching a man die. all over loose cigarettes. its ridiculous and a travesty.
Hmmmmm sounds like the ol adage "Please don't let the facts get in the way of a good bull-shit story" lol....defensive posture is resisting arrest...and since you said you watched the tapes you should know that swatting a cops arm away when he's trying to arrest you is resisting arrest....saying it ends today I'm not going is resisting arrest....you don't choose whether the cop is going to arrest you whether you have evidence you are innocent or not that's for the courts....and as for watching him die on the video that's impossible since he died two hours or so later in the hospital....and now although we all saw the tapes and we all want to slap a shingle on our doors making us lawyers the bottom line is you tube Is not the only evidence that the grand jury went through ....facts are facts use them
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Re: Do you agree with or disagree with the police officers turning their backs on Diblasio again?
Posted by mrsboss
Turning their backs was a silent but powerful statement. Did they interrupt the service? No. Did they hoot and holler and shout at the mayor? No. Did they strike? No. They simply did an about face quietly for the 5 mins he spoke. Get over it. He is a piece of garbage, as is his wife. He's lucky that's all they did. He needs to step down.
Yes. And, they turned their backs to a Jumbotron, not to his face. Nobody inside the church turned their backs while he was speaking. If the media hadn't made such a big deal over it, he probably wouldn't have even known.
The only thing I'm on the fence about, is whether or not they should have done it again after Bratton specifically asked them not to. But I guess when you consider that he really hasn't supported them either, they felt that they did the right thing.
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Re: Do you agree with or disagree with the police officers turning their backs on Diblasio again?
Posted by nrthshgrl
I checked no they should have turned their back but disagree with having to show their respect to DiBlasio.
They shouldn't be turning their backs. It wasn't the time or the place. They don't have to respect him but they needed to have respect for the family of the deceased who invited DiBlasio to the funeral.
This about sums up my belief on the whole thing:
http://samuel-warde.com/2014/12/open-letter-nypd/
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Empathizing with peaceful protesters or giving his own personal experience of what it’s like to raise a black son in New York City does NOT make him anti-cop.
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And it did absolutely nothing to improve your image for those people who really do mistrust or dislike the police.
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I have heard it over and over again that the cops blame the protesters for not only creating an atmosphere conducive to cop killings, but for also causing the divide and hatred throughout the city. So what exactly do you think your little stunt on Saturday did?? I can tell you for sure that it did nothing to calm the heated situation down or to heal the division between law enforcement and the public. But what it DID do is to exacerbate the entire situation.
I'm sorry, but I disagree with this letter, and I will address just these three parts.
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The protests were NOT peaceful!!! Throwing hammers, spitting at the police, chanting for dead cops??? There were hundreds of arrests during the protests because they were anything but peaceful.
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They were not trying to change the minds of people who already "don't trust them". I believe the thinking of those that don't trust them WON'T be changed...especially by simply showing the Mayor their respect.
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Their quiet protest as they stood as one did not add to the divide in the city. It's not like they were chanting "Blood on your hands" or something like that as he spoke. They turned their backs on him, as they feel he did on them.
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pharmcat2000
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Re: Do you agree with or disagree with the police officers turning their backs on Diblasio again?
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Does anyone know if the families are required to let the mayor speak at the funeral?
It's their choice.
You aren't required to do anything.
You aren't even required to have a "cop's funeral"
My DH had said if he was ever killed in the line of duty he didn't want ANY of that.
Ok, well then in that case it couldn't it be considered a bit disrespectful to the families that the police force turned their back on what amounts to an invited guest/speaker? If the families wanted to make a statement, couldn't they have asked him not to attend?
That is NOT directed at you Nell, just a general thought based on the fact that it seems the families chose to have him there.
Nope, I agree with you.
The family obviously wanted him there.
It's a double edged sword for sure.
I don't know for sure if the family truly wanted him there, or just were not up for the fight against it. I don't think I'd be able to go to that kind of a battle in a situation like that had it been one of my NYPD family members killed. *UNLESS* they gave specific instructions to the contrary. I know when my mother died, she had requested that a particular family member not be allowed to attend. I was not strong enough at that point to deny her access. I just couldn't fight at that point. Even though it was against my mother's wishes, I just didn't have the strength.
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pharmcat2000
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Re: Do you agree with or disagree with the police officers turning their backs on Diblasio again?
Posted by MrsA1012
Posted by sometimesmommy
Posted by JME78
Posted by Goobster
You can't have it both ways. You can't have people revolting against them, protesting, spitting at them, attacking them, and expect them still to crack down on petty crimes. It can't work that way.
If you are getting paid to do a job you should do it. period.
not do it at your own discretion....
Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't officers responding to an email encouraging them to avoid arrests unless absolutely necessary, send to two cars to emergency calls etc? Didn't protocol change after the murder of the two officers before Christmas?
I believe that they were following the advisement of their unions, warning them to take all measures to ensure their safety. I liken it to advising them to not "poke the hornet's nest" so to speak. At this point, they have no idea who is heated, who has an agenda, who is carrying a weapon, or who will attack them with the slightest suggestion of provocation. I don't think it was an order for a work slow-down...more of a only do what is a direct harm to others...for right now.
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pharmcat2000
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Re: Do you agree with or disagree with the police officers turning their backs on Diblasio again?
Posted by whoababy11
eric garner was not resisting arrest.
Are you SERIOUS???
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Re: Do you agree with or disagree with the police officers turning their backs on Diblasio again?
Posted by pharmcat2000
Posted by whoababy11
eric garner was not resisting arrest.
Are you SERIOUS???
I agree, he was resisting arrest. He verbally and physically made it clear it was resisting arrest. He was swatting his hands at the police. You are NOT allowed to swat at police, raise your hands to them, and tell them you're not gonna arrest me, get me , etc. This isn't your mom and dad reprimanding you where you buck back. This is the police and you absolutely need to have respect. As someone said above, the courts are where you clear your name if you are innocent but you are NOT allowed to tell police officers to leave you alone, and resist arrest. Our country CAN NOT have civililians telling the police what to do, doesn't work like that. You can't tell police, "I don't feel like having your bother me today" for investigating petty crimes.
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Re: Do you agree with or disagree with the police officers turning their backs on Diblasio again?
Posted by Mom0710
100% agree. They have to stand up for what they believe in.
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Do you agree with or disagree with the police officers turning their backs on Diblasio again?
Chris Rock - How not to get your ass kicked by the police! - YouTube
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8
Even black comedians agree you should not back talk the police when you're being questioned for something.
If you've been arrested over 30 times for petty crimes statistics show you will probably continue getting arrested. The police did what they needed to do to restrain someone that was not complying.
Could any of you have four trained men on your back and still be able to fight, not put your arms back, etc?
No, Eric garner needed to be handled differently than someone that puts their hands behind their back peacefully.
Also the black female sergeant that was part of the arrest and is shown in the unedited version of the video didn't seem to think it was racial profiling or abusive behavior.
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Re: Do you agree with or disagree with the police officers turning their backs on Diblasio again?
Posted by mrsBLT
Posted by whoababy11
eric garner was not resisting arrest. he was CLEARLY in a defensive posture, and he did not deserve to be piled on and killed. i will never understand why it is wrong for the mayor to question the police and some of their policies. why is it that the police always want to be infallible, having to answer to no one?
i think their turning of their backs at both funerals was in very poor taste. those poor mens funerals were not the time or place for them to make a statement
You're kidding, right? I guess you haven't watched the video. You should probably watch it and pay special attention to section 1:16 to 1:21.
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Re: Do you agree with or disagree with the police officers turning their backs on Diblasio again?
Posted by pharmcat2000
Posted by whoababy11
eric garner was not resisting arrest.
Are you SERIOUS???
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Re: Do you agree with or disagree with the police officers turning their backs on Diblasio again?
Posted by Smileyd17
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Posted by nrthshgrl
I checked no they should have turned their back but disagree with having to show their respect to DiBlasio.
They shouldn't be turning their backs. It wasn't the time or the place. They don't have to respect him but they needed to have respect for the family of the deceased who invited DiBlasio to the funeral.
This about sums up my belief on the whole thing:
http://samuel-warde.com/2014/12/open-letter-nypd/
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First of all, I would like to say that I am pro-cop. I do believe that most of the police officers in this country are good people who do their best every day to protect the lives of the citizens they serve. But, my belief that most cops are good, does not diminish the fact that there are some who abuse their power or the fact that the entire system should be evaluated and improved.
Now having said that, I would like to talk about your disgraceful behavior on Saturday at the funeral for Officer Rafael Ramos.
Personally I found it appalling that you would use a funeral service for one of your own to make some kind of political statement. Especially after the city demanded that the protesters stop all political demonstrations until AFTER the funeral. A big deal was made that any protesting during the funeral would be absolutely disrespectful to the family of the officer killed. And you were right about that.
Now I realize that you have your issues with Mayor de Blasio, and that they started before any of these #AllLivesMatter demonstrations. Not only are you in an ongoing contentious contract dispute with City Hall, but the Mayor also openly ran on a platform of ending Stop and Frisk, and ending police corruption. So I guess I can understand how you could feel protective of your own men in blue. But what I don’t understand is why that should make you so hate-filled toward the Mayor. I mean, if you are a good honest cop, then why wouldn’t you want the bad apples removed?? And if this really is more about your contract negotiations, then shame on you for dividing the city, and much of the nation, under false pretenses.
NYPD union officials have said that the Mayor has “blood on his hands” following the murder of these two officers, and they have accused him of siding with the protesters instead of the cops. But what I fail to see here is why you have turned this into a dangerous game of ‘us against them’ when that is the very thing for which you condemn the protesters. It seems obvious to the rest of us that Mayor de Blasio was merely trying show empathy for people upset about recent cases of police brutality causing the deaths of African American citizens.
Empathizing with peaceful protesters or giving his own personal experience of what it’s like to raise a black son in New York City does NOT make him anti-cop.
You also tried to make the case that Mayor de Blasio should not even be allowed to attend funerals for fallen police officers. Why? Especially in this case of Officer Ramos, where the cop’s family actually said that they wanted the Mayor there. The family also asked that the funeral service be just about Ramos, and NOT about politics.
And so what did you do? You turned a funeral service for one of your own into a ridiculous spectacle for the world to see.. You chose to make a funeral all about you instead of the murdered cop being laid to rest. Turning your backs to Mayor de Blasio as he delivered the eulogy for Officer Ramos made you look like petty children throwing a tempter tantrum. And it did absolutely nothing to improve your image for those people who really do mistrust or dislike the police.
I have heard it over and over again that the cops blame the protesters for not only creating an atmosphere conducive to cop killings, but for also causing the divide and hatred throughout the city. So what exactly do you think your little stunt on Saturday did?? I can tell you for sure that it did nothing to calm the heated situation down or to heal the division between law enforcement and the public. But what it DID do is to exacerbate the entire situation.
Shame on you NYPD….you have literally embarrassed your entire profession and the city of New York.
I disagree with everything written here.
ditto
Totally disagree with this article. I can't stomach DiBlasio and he doesn't deserve respect from the officers he turned his back on.
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Re: Do you agree with or disagree with the police officers turning their backs on Diblasio again?
Posted by BaseballWidow
To everyone saying it was disrespectful to the slain officers and their families: Have you heard this from any other person in law enforcement? Not one (of the dozens) I have had direct contact with, from various police forces, say that it was perceived that way. These men and women in blue would not ever do anything to disrespect a fallen brother or sister. These officers stood outside, in formation, in the cold and rain--for quite a while-- to honor one of their own. Turning their backs on DiBlasio had NOTHING to do with the respect for the fallen and their families. No one went to that funeral with making a political statement their agenda. They did what they felt they had to do in their hearts, the only way they could let their feelings be known.
FWIW, has no one here ever walked away from or turned their back at a funeral because someone they knew shouldn't be there showed up? I know I sure have. When the other person makes it about them, as DiBlasio did (IMO), they are the ones being disrespectful to the person being buried.
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Re: Do you agree with or disagree with the police officers turning their backs on Diblasio again?
Posted by MrsA1012
Posted by sometimesmommy
Posted by JME78
Posted by Goobster
You can't have it both ways. You can't have people revolting against them, protesting, spitting at them, attacking them, and expect them still to crack down on petty crimes. It can't work that way.
If you are getting paid to do a job you should do it. period.
not do it at your own discretion....
Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't officers responding to an email encouraging them to avoid arrests unless absolutely necessary, send to two cars to emergency calls etc? Didn't protocol change after the murder of the two officers before Christmas?
I responded based on the article quoted but also on other info I have read. And I've heard about said email. So no correction needed. I know exactly whats going on.
FWIW-I know Cops who are not supportive of the divide on DeBlasio-ironically most are black/minority and oh the stories I have heard even before this but they have to support their families and like any workplace-no one wants to stand out.
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