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SweetestOfPeas
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Do you think people with contagious diseases should be locked up if they refuse to take precautions to avoid infecting others?
I just saw this on CNN...
here is the full story
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Posted 4/3/07 2:09 PM  |
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MsMBV
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Re: Do you think people with contagious diseases should be locked up if they refuse to take precautions to avoid infecting others?
Couldn't have they ordered him to wear a mask first?
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| Posted 4/3/07 2:15 PM |
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Beth
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Re: Do you think people with contagious diseases should be locked up if they refuse to take precautions to avoid infecting others?
"He said sheriff's deputies will not let him take a shower -- he cleans himself with wet wipes -- and have taken away his television, radio, personal phone and computer. His only visitors are masked medical staff members who come in to give him his medication."
I have a problem with this- why are they taking away his stuff
and they should give him another chance to wear a mask- I'm not sure how to enforce it
if they have to lock him up- they could at least let him shower and watch tv?
I don't think I have an answer
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| Posted 4/3/07 2:19 PM |
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Do you think people with contagious diseases should be locked up if they refuse to take precautions to avoid infecting others?
I agree that they should let him shower or build him his own private one. and why take away his stuff? he will go insane from solitary confinement  it's inhuman!
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| Posted 4/3/07 2:20 PM |
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Ophelia
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Re: Do you think people with contagious diseases should be locked up if they refuse to take precautions to avoid infecting others?
this is awful. I feel for this man..BUT
this is an AIRBORNE disease. and yes, I think persons infected with it should be quarantined until a cure can be found.
there ARE diseases that can kill en mass like the plague did so many years ago. we cannot, and should not, forget that.
eta: my opinion is not based on this particular person's experience or situation.
I think he should be able to have tv, books, music and of course, a shower...but truth be told, it was probably highly unexpected that a disease would have someone quarantined for such a long duration (hence the vented room not being equipped with a shower)
Message edited 4/3/2007 2:24:36 PM.
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| Posted 4/3/07 2:21 PM |
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MsMBV
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Re: Do you think people with contagious diseases should be locked up if they refuse to take precautions to avoid infecting others?
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
I agree that they should let him shower or build him his own private one. and why take away his stuff? he will go insane from solitary confinement it's inhuman!
Yeah I would think that this would fall under the catergory of "cruel and unusual punishment."
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| Posted 4/3/07 2:21 PM |
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Beth
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Re: Do you think people with contagious diseases should be locked up if they refuse to take precautions to avoid infecting others?
Posted by Ophelia
this is awful. I feel for this man..BUT
this is an AIRBORNE disease. and yes, I think persons infected with it should be quarantined until a cure can be found.
there ARE diseases that can kill en mass like the plague did so many years ago. we cannot, and should not, forget that.
so why can't he watch tv, surf the internet and talk on the phone?
he is not a criminal - he's sick
and I think felons get to make phone call, shower, watch TV
what's next-
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| Posted 4/3/07 2:22 PM |
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Ophelia
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Re: Do you think people with contagious diseases should be locked up if they refuse to take precautions to avoid infecting others?
Posted by Beth1210
Posted by Ophelia
this is awful. I feel for this man..BUT
this is an AIRBORNE disease. and yes, I think persons infected with it should be quarantined until a cure can be found.
there ARE diseases that can kill en mass like the plague did so many years ago. we cannot, and should not, forget that.
so why can't he watch tv, surf the internet and talk on the phone?
he is not a criminal - he's sick
and I think felons get to make phone call, shower, watch TV
what's next-
see my edit.
I am speaking directly to the question.
do I think he should be made comfortable? of course.
do I think this was anticipated and that we have all resources needed to make him more comfortable? no.
when dealing with the host of a potential pandemic, I am sure precautions that may seem ridiculous to us are taken.
again, I feel terribly for the poor soul that contracted this form of TB.
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| Posted 4/3/07 2:26 PM |
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Maathy317
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Re: Do you think people with contagious diseases should be locked up if they refuse to take precautions to avoid infecting others?
I would hate to see anyone locked up like this. However, he has a highly contagious disease that is easily spread. He knew he had this disease and was told what was necessary for him not to spread it and he refused to comply. This disease can kill thousands before you can get a handle on it and, before you know it, you have an epidemic on your hands. For him to say, that at the age of 26 he didn't know what TB was, is ridiculous. I am sorry to say, but, he brought this on himself. I would rather see him isolated in a hospital setting and not like this. However, it is better for him to be isolated than to have let this thing run rampant.
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| Posted 4/3/07 2:31 PM |
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MsMBV
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Re: Do you think people with contagious diseases should be locked up if they refuse to take precautions to avoid infecting others?
I have a stupid question, and I am sorry if it was in the story & I missed it, but HOW on earth did they know he was contagious & lock him up to begin with?
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| Posted 4/3/07 2:33 PM |
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Ophelia
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Re: Do you think people with contagious diseases should be locked up if they refuse to take precautions to avoid infecting others?
Posted by MsMBV
I have a stupid question, and I am sorry if it was in the story & I missed it, but HOW on earth did they know he was contagious & lock him up to begin with?
he said he contracted the disease in Russia (where he was living) and moved back here.
he came for better medical care, so he probably announced it when he arrived.
I am just wondering what he did on the plane????
my grandfather contracted TB. he had to have a large part of his right lung removed.
my mother test positive for TB all the time, b/c you can be a "carrier" without having the disease.
it is a killer.
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| Posted 4/3/07 2:37 PM |
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SweetTooth
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Re: Do you think people with contagious diseases should be locked up if they refuse to take precautions to avoid infecting others?
I don't think he should be locked up in prison, no. But he should be in quaranitine, why can't he be in a hospital?
Do they think if he was in a hosipital he would try to escape and infect others? There should be more to the story.
He was an idiot for not wearing a mask, but did he do it intentonally? I think that should be the main question. If he did it so he would knowingly infect others then, yes, he should be in jail. But if he did it because he is a moron then he should be recieving his treatment in a hospital.
As a side note, I didn't even know there was such a resistant form of TB. Scary. Antibiotic resistance is a very frightening thing.
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| Posted 4/3/07 2:38 PM |
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MsMBV
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Re: Do you think people with contagious diseases should be locked up if they refuse to take precautions to avoid infecting others?
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by MsMBV
I have a stupid question, and I am sorry if it was in the story & I missed it, but HOW on earth did they know he was contagious & lock him up to begin with?
he said he contracted the disease in Russia (where he was living) and moved back here.
he came for better medical care, so he probably announced it when he arrived.
I am just wondering what he did on the plane????
my grandfather contracted TB. he had to have a large part of his right lung removed.
my mother test positive for TB all the time, b/c you can be a "carrier" without having the disease.
it is a killer.
Yeah I read that he came here from Russia with the TB. Sorry but I think that is awful.. I have to quarantine my perfectly healthy dog for 6 months if I want to move to England but a known sufferer from TB can hop on a plane without wearing a mask & no one knows it....
I do believe that although precautions have to be taken they are lacking in the execution....
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Ophelia
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Re: Do you think people with contagious diseases should be locked up if they refuse to take precautions to avoid infecting others?
Posted by SweetTooth
I don't think he should be locked up in prison, no. But he should be in quaranitine, why can't he be in a hospital?
Do they think if he was in a hosipital he would try to escape and infect others? There should be more to the story.
He was an idiot for not wearing a mask, but did he do it intentonally? I think that should be the main question. If he did it so he would knowingly infect others then, yes, he should be in jail. But if he did it because he is a moron then he should be recieving his treatment in a hospital.
As a side note, I didn't even know there was such a resistant form of TB. Scary. Antibiotic resistance is a very frightening thing.
no, intention should have NOTHING to do with it.
if only b/c it won't make a lick of difference whether he "intended" to or not when other people start to die.
he was told what to do. I can't imagine that the doc was nonchalant about wearing the mask.
he "didn't feel like it" oh well.
and what JACK OFF is told, you have a crazy strain of TB. and doesn't look it up to see what TB is all about (IF he didn't know)
I'm sorry. but no.
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SweetTooth
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Re: Do you think people with contagious diseases should be locked up if they refuse to take precautions to avoid infecting others?
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by SweetTooth
I don't think he should be locked up in prison, no. But he should be in quaranitine, why can't he be in a hospital?
Do they think if he was in a hosipital he would try to escape and infect others? There should be more to the story.
He was an idiot for not wearing a mask, but did he do it intentonally? I think that should be the main question. If he did it so he would knowingly infect others then, yes, he should be in jail. But if he did it because he is a moron then he should be recieving his treatment in a hospital.
As a side note, I didn't even know there was such a resistant form of TB. Scary. Antibiotic resistance is a very frightening thing.
no, intention should have NOTHING to do with it.
if only b/c it won't make a lick of difference whether he "intended" to or not when other people start to die.
he was told what to do. I can't imagine that the doc was nonchalant about wearing the mask.
he "didn't feel like it" oh well.
and what JACK OFF is told, you have a crazy strain of TB. and doesn't look it up to see what TB is all about (IF he didn't know)
I'm sorry. but no.
Agree, but what Dr. would let someone with such a terrible strain of disease that is highly contagious and not curable back out on the streets, mask or no mask?
Shouldn't someone with such a horrendous disease be under constant medical attention? The article made it sound like he was going to die soon because there was no treatment.
Not that I am saying the guy is not a moron and shouldn't be out in public, but why was he out in public when authorites knew what kind of disease he had?
If he was in the hospital he would be under containment, in a room by himself, and anyone going into the room would have to wear protective gear... I didn't think of this before but I don't think the doctors acted responsibly either.
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| Posted 4/3/07 2:59 PM |
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MsMBV
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Re: Do you think people with contagious diseases should be locked up if they refuse to take precautions to avoid infecting others?
Posted by SweetTooth
Agree, but what Dr. would let someone with such a terrible strain of disease that is highly contagious and not curable back out on the streets, mask or no mask?
Shouldn't someone with such a horrendous disease be under constant medical attention? The article made it sound like he was going to die soon because there was no treatment.
Why was he allowed out of the country. Sorry but they could have "tagged" his passport.
This is why I think this is incredibly unfair. He is the one who has the disease, yes, and he is the one who acted irresponsibly, but who is really liable here......
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Hi-Fi55
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Re: Do you think people with contagious diseases should be locked up if they refuse to take precautions to avoid infecting others?
I think he should be locked up. An airborne disease that can't be cured? All he needs to do is jump on a plain to Russia and it could become worldwide.
I'm guessing the reason he is in jail and not a hospital is expense. It probably costs a lot less for him to sit in jail then have him quarantined in a hospital with round the clock security. But who knows.
And I'm sure there is more to this story. Let's face it, most of it is coming from his perspective.
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Ophelia
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Re: Do you think people with contagious diseases should be locked up if they refuse to take precautions to avoid infecting others?
Posted by MsMBV
Posted by SweetTooth
Agree, but what Dr. would let someone with such a terrible strain of disease that is highly contagious and not curable back out on the streets, mask or no mask?
Shouldn't someone with such a horrendous disease be under constant medical attention? The article made it sound like he was going to die soon because there was no treatment.
Why was he allowed out of the country. Sorry but they could have "tagged" his passport.
This is why I think this is incredibly unfair. He is the one who has the disease, yes, and he is the one who acted irresponsibly, but who is really liable here......
looking at who is liable means nothing in the end, at least when it comes to the spread of the disease.
It's worse than bad luck to have contracted the disease, yes, but hemming and hawing about fault will do NOTHING when it comes down to how the disease can be spread.
we have to take that out of the equation. we can't think of his "rights". you have to think of the impact and the greater good.
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| Posted 4/3/07 3:19 PM |
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Re: Do you think people with contagious diseases should be locked up if they refuse to take precautions to avoid infecting others?
I don't think you can compare Russian hospitals, doctors, and procedures to ours. They are generally far behind our technology and sterilization procedures.
I'm basing this on a personal friendship I had with a Russian doctor who came to the US and my husband's family/friends who are originally from Russia.
It doesn't surprise me (or my husband, and my inlaws) that this guy wasn't quarantined there, or that his doc may not have worn a mask.
TB was on of my biggest fears when I worked in EMS & a hospital. It is one of the easiest diseases to contract without knowing or doing something wrong (unlike an accidental needle stick). I've treated patients with TB, HIV, etc and they were usually very accomodating.
That said, this guy's situation definitely s*cks but what can you do? As long as he is contagious, with no cure in sight, the best thing is containment for everyone else in the world.
Could you imagine how different the world would be if we had had this chance with AIDS?
He should be made as comfortable as possible while being able to maintain a quarantined environment. If it's a strictly airborne disease, I don't know why he can't shower. His very basic needs should be taken care of at the very least. Beyond that, it all goes back to safety. Perhaps the hosptial's costs are playing a role here too... It doesn't say who's paying the bills for this.
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Re: Do you think people with contagious diseases should be locked up if they refuse to take precautions to avoid infecting others?
Posted by Hi-Fi55
I'm guessing the reason he is in jail and not a hospital is expense. It probably costs a lot less for him to sit in jail then have him quarantined in a hospital with round the clock security. But who knows.
He is in a hospital. The article confirms that. But he's in the county hospital, in an area that is used for sick criminals.
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| Posted 4/3/07 3:24 PM |
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SweetTooth
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Re: Do you think people with contagious diseases should be locked up if they refuse to take precautions to avoid infecting others?
Posted by greenfreak
Posted by Hi-Fi55
I'm guessing the reason he is in jail and not a hospital is expense. It probably costs a lot less for him to sit in jail then have him quarantined in a hospital with round the clock security. But who knows.
He is in a hospital. The article confirms that. But he's in the county hospital, in an area that is used for sick criminals.
Ah, you are correct. Good for you for actually reading.
Daniels has been living alone in a four-bed cell in Ward 41, a section of the hospital reserved for sick criminals.
Is he a criminal though? I think thats probably the main question.
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| Posted 4/3/07 3:26 PM |
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Do you think people with contagious diseases should be locked up if they refuse to take precautions to avoid infecting others?
Posted by greenfreak
Could you imagine how different the world would be if we had had this chance with AIDS?
that is a very profound statement!
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| Posted 4/3/07 3:27 PM |
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Do you think people with contagious diseases should be locked up if they refuse to take precautions to avoid infecting others?
Posted by SweetTooth
Is he a criminal though? I think thats probably the main question.
IMO, yes. he refused to take precautions and could have spread a deadly disease.
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Re: Do you think people with contagious diseases should be locked up if they refuse to take precautions to avoid infecting others?
Posted by Ophelia
looking at who is liable means nothing in the end, at least when it comes to the spread of the disease.
It's worse than bad luck to have contracted the disease, yes, but hemming and hawing about fault will do NOTHING when it comes down to how the disease can be spread.
we have to take that out of the equation. we can't think of his "rights". you have to think of the impact and the greater good.
I totally understand what you are saying, and I agree, but if the intent is to not only contain his potential for contaminating others and also to set a precedent for future cases (which is always a consideration in a sentencing), then wouldn't it be prudent to hold everyone involved accountable?
I agree that he needs to be quarantined, but the manner in which they are doing it is inhumane, even though he might be a jerk for endangering people criminals who murder intentionally and are convicted are not treated this poorly...
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| Posted 4/3/07 3:28 PM |
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Re: Do you think people with contagious diseases should be locked up if they refuse to take precautions to avoid infecting others?
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Posted by SweetTooth
Is he a criminal though? I think thats probably the main question.
IMO, yes. he refused to take precautions and could have spread a deadly disease.
he technically did not break the law, and there is no due process of law here as far as I can see (lawyers come in....)
He did hire an attorney, and can be sued for neglect if someone comes forward as someone who contracted the TB from him, but this seems like a pre-emptive measure to me even though he is already ill & aware of it.
What was the case not too long ago about the man who knowingly had unprotected sex with someone even though he had AIDS?
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