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LIRascal
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Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
Posted by jessnbrian
If you are a public school NYS teacher, read through either your employee handbook or contract THOROUGHLY. Most of my friends are teachers, and maybe it's just their districts in nassau and suffolk, as public school teachers (it's likely different for private schools) they are subject to drug tests if it is deemed necessary... In fact, they had to have drug clearance to even get hired. So does my mom, she works in a village court as a court clerk, so did my brother as a sanitation worker (he's now a teacher).
I teach in Nassau public school and this is NOT in my contract (I just looked again). And I have NEVER heard of a teacher getting a random drug test in Long Island or NYC. Heck - we don't even need to go through yearly physicals like I do when I teach EI or SEIT.
ETS: I think it is ridiculous that we don't get drug tested.
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ElizaRags35
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
Posted by klingklang77
This needs a warning attached to it. My browser has now visited a fox news site, *blech*.
ETA: Glad I saw this post before clicking on the link.
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jessnbrian
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
Posted by Jacksmommy
Posted by jessnbrian
If you are a public school NYS teacher, read through either your employee handbook or contract THOROUGHLY. Most of my friends are teachers, and maybe it's just their districts in nassau and suffolk, as public school teachers (it's likely different for private schools) they are subject to drug tests if it is deemed necessary... In fact, they had to have drug clearance to even get hired. So does my mom, she works in a village court as a court clerk, so did my brother as a sanitation worker (he's now a teacher).
I teach in Nassau public school and this is NOT in my contract (I just looked again). And I have NEVER heard of a teacher getting a random drug test in Long Island or NYC. Heck - we don't even need to go through yearly physicals like I do when I teach EI or SEIT.
Guess it depends on the district - every district creates their own contract. I know for a fact that my friends and brother are aware that they are subject to them IF the district decided (not that they ever have)..... which is EXACTLY what I said in the post you quoted.
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jessnbrian
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
Too late for me! Too funny!
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Jacksmommy
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
Posted by jessnbrian
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Posted by jessnbrian
If you are a public school NYS teacher, read through either your employee handbook or contract THOROUGHLY. Most of my friends are teachers, and maybe it's just their districts in nassau and suffolk, as public school teachers (it's likely different for private schools) they are subject to drug tests if it is deemed necessary... In fact, they had to have drug clearance to even get hired. So does my mom, she works in a village court as a court clerk, so did my brother as a sanitation worker (he's now a teacher).
I teach in Nassau public school and this is NOT in my contract (I just looked again). And I have NEVER heard of a teacher getting a random drug test in Long Island or NYC. Heck - we don't even need to go through yearly physicals like I do when I teach EI or SEIT.
Guess it depends on the district - every district creates their own contract. I know for a fact that my friends and brother are aware that they are subject to them IF the district decided (not that they ever have)..... which is EXACTLY what I said in the post you quoted.
I'm just curious - and since all districts contracts are online, I would like to research where it says this. Could you give me a name of a district that you state has this clause in it?
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jessnbrian
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
Posted by LIRascal
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I completely agree....
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LIRascal
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Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
My best educated guess as to why their reps advised them not to submit to drug tests is because they don't want to set a precedent and because ALL kinds of drugs will turn up, not just illicit drugs.
Where do we draw the line? weed? Prozac? Xanax? Prilosec? Prevacid? Sleeping pills? All of these would show up.
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LIRascal
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
Posted by Jacksmommy
I'm just curious - and since all districts contracts are online, I would like to research where it says this. Could you give me a name of a district that you state has this clause in it?
None of the districts I've worked in or currently work in have this in their contract.
Maybe DOE
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Jacksmommy
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
Posted by LIRascal
My best educated guess as to why their reps advised them not to submit to drug tests is because they don't want to set a precedent and because ALL kinds of drugs will turn up, not just illicit drugs.
Where do we draw the line? weed? Prozac? Xanax? Prilosec? Prevacid? Sleeping pills? All of these would show up.
But as a teacher - if it is legal and you are under a doctor's care with a prescription (and I say that loosely because of the problem we have with prescription drugs in our country), unless you have something to hide, it should be ok to take this. My father had to go for random drug tests and one drug he took (prescription) came up and he always had a dr's note that he was under a doctors care for it.
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jessnbrian
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Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
Code of ethics (I won't say the district):
"14.The teacher endeavors to maintain good mental and physical health and to maintain a wholesome attitude toward the pupil; the school board provides a healthful teaching environment."
That right there, as far as they were informed, provides the district with the legal authority to ensure that the teacher is complying with state laws.
I'm curious, are you suggesting that teachers should NOT be held to the same standard that most other fields are held to? Do you not think that teachers should be drug-free?
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
Maybe it's not in the contract to submit to drug testing, but maybe it something that should be. The world we live in is crazy. Suppose you had some jerky teacher who got into it with another teacher and planted the stuff in their classroom or something's drug testing would be the only way to prove it. Not all teachers are wonderful people although you'd like to think so. Before this gets misconstrued that is not a teacher bash just pointing out everyone's human and has flaws and I think this would protect innocent people 
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jessnbrian
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Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
I'll also add, that just because it doesn't specifically state "The district reserves the right to randomly administer drug test." does not mean that some other clause (however vague and veiled) doesn't provide legal recourse for the district to do so.
That said, I understand why the union would say "hey, no you can't select just these 8 employees." I would imagine that the point is you can't just single out these 8 teachers, you'd have to administer it to everyone. There is no reason why a teacher should not be able to pass a drug test. And lets not forget, we're not talking about pot here, we're talking about HEROIN.
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LIRascal
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
Posted by Jacksmommy
Posted by LIRascal
My best educated guess as to why their reps advised them not to submit to drug tests is because they don't want to set a precedent and because ALL kinds of drugs will turn up, not just illicit drugs.
Where do we draw the line? weed? Prozac? Xanax? Prilosec? Prevacid? Sleeping pills? All of these would show up.
But as a teacher - if it is legal and you are under a doctor's care with a prescription (and I say that loosely because of the problem we have with prescription drugs in our country), unless you have something to hide, it should be ok to take this. My father had to go for random drug tests and one drug he took (prescription) came up and he always had a dr's note that he was under a doctors care for it.
I agree with you 100% Not for a second would I ever argue with that.
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We all know that the legal prescriptions would be called into question, just like every time a teacher farts, breathes, or even appears on a tv show. We're vilified with every move. While most of the teachers I know are on one of the aforementioned legally prescribed meds (minus the weed of course) or OTC meds, if there were random drug tests done, they could say "see? that's why her regents exam scores were .07% lower this year!"
Not happening, sorry. Of course random drug testing would be used for illicit illegal drugs, but they'd find a way to target those on legally prescribed medications.
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
Posted by jessnbrian
Code of ethics (I won't say the district):
"14.The teacher endeavors to maintain good mental and physical health and to maintain a wholesome attitude toward the pupil; the school board provides a healthful teaching environment."
That right there, as far as they were informed, provides the district with the legal authority to ensure that the teacher is complying with state laws.
I'm curious, are you suggesting that teachers should NOT be held to the same standard that most other fields are held to? Do you not think that teachers should be drug-free?
If that is the case can an obese teacher or a teacher who smokes cigarettes be faulted? 
Does it say what the consequence is?
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jessnbrian
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
Posted by Sweetlax22
Posted by jessnbrian
Code of ethics (I won't say the district):
"14.The teacher endeavors to maintain good mental and physical health and to maintain a wholesome attitude toward the pupil; the school board provides a healthful teaching environment."
That right there, as far as they were informed, provides the district with the legal authority to ensure that the teacher is complying with state laws.
I'm curious, are you suggesting that teachers should NOT be held to the same standard that most other fields are held to? Do you not think that teachers should be drug-free?
If that is the case can an obese teacher or a teacher who smokes cigarettes be faulted?
Does it say what the consequence is?
It does not say consequences, but no where was I talking about consequences. I do think that teachers that smoke SHOULD be faulted. I'm sorry, but I don't want my child to be in a classroom that reeks of cigarette smoke where they could be exposed to third hand smoke, or think that smoking is OK because the teacher they look up to smokes. And MOST teachers are well aware that this is a no-no. As for obesity, yes, I think that a teacher who is morbidly obese is presenting a poor example for children, but if you are standing all day teaching, chances are, you aren't morbidly obese.
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Jacksmommy
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
Posted by jessnbrian
Code of ethics (I won't say the district):
"14.The teacher endeavors to maintain good mental and physical health and to maintain a wholesome attitude toward the pupil; the school board provides a healthful teaching environment."
That right there, as far as they were informed, provides the district with the legal authority to ensure that the teacher is complying with state laws.
I'm curious, are you suggesting that teachers should NOT be held to the same standard that most other fields are held to? Do you not think that teachers should be drug-free?
If you read my posts I state it is ridiculous that teachers are not given drug tests and I do feel that we should be drug free. BUT still don't see that stating this they can mandate an employee to take a drug test. This is a very broad statement. In my husbands contract it is stated word for word. In fact, by the broadest meaning of this statement couldn't someone be fired for having cancer? Being overweight? Where is the line drawn?
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jessnbrian
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
Posted by Jacksmommy
Posted by jessnbrian
Code of ethics (I won't say the district):
"14.The teacher endeavors to maintain good mental and physical health and to maintain a wholesome attitude toward the pupil; the school board provides a healthful teaching environment."
That right there, as far as they were informed, provides the district with the legal authority to ensure that the teacher is complying with state laws.
I'm curious, are you suggesting that teachers should NOT be held to the same standard that most other fields are held to? Do you not think that teachers should be drug-free?
If you read my posts I state it is ridiculous that teachers are not given drug tests and I do feel that we should be drug free. BUT still don't see that stating this they can mandate an employee to take a drug test. This is a very broad statement. In my husbands contract it is stated word for word. In fact, by the broadest meaning of this statement couldn't someone be fired for having cancer? Being overweight? Where is the line drawn?
I don't disagree. I'm just saying what they were told. They were also told to ensure that their FB accounts were deactivated and all pictures and posts removed.
From an HR perspective, it doesn't need to be explicitly stated, however, if it is not, then the employee has the right to deny submission to the test - like in this case. Which for me, puts even more suspicion on the teachers.
Honestly, I'm horrified that ANYONE (student, teacher, lunch lady, etc) would have used heroin in any school, let alone an elementary school. And to leave the needle in the bathroom, where any student could possibly walk in and grab it, is appalling.
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
Posted by jessnbrian
It does not say consequences, but no where was I talking about consequences. I do think that teachers that smoke SHOULD be faulted. I'm sorry, but I don't want my child to be in a classroom that reeks of cigarette smoke where they could be exposed to third hand smoke, or think that smoking is OK because the teacher they look up to smokes. And MOST teachers are well aware that this is a no-no. As for obesity, yes, I think that a teacher who is morbidly obese is presenting a poor example for children, but if you are standing all day teaching, chances are, you aren't morbidly obese.
I would beg to differ on the morbid obesity issue- as a kid I had a few seriously obese teachers and as a teacher I had colleagues who fit the category.
When I worked for the DOE we were not allowed to smoke on school property and no one did. The smokers I worked with would run down the block for 5 minutes at lunch once during the day.
I am pretty anti smoking and would prefer my kid have a non-smoking teacher but I don't see how she would be exposed to third hand smoke or a classroom reeking of smoke. I know for a fact that her teacher barely has time to use the bathroom.
Anyway, as others have mentioned the union may have been concerned that teachers who were on legit meds could have that disclosed. If a teacher's on an antidepressant and doing his/her job effectively it's no one else's business.
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Sweetlax22
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
Posted by jessnbrian
Posted by Sweetlax22
Posted by jessnbrian
Code of ethics (I won't say the district):
"14.The teacher endeavors to maintain good mental and physical health and to maintain a wholesome attitude toward the pupil; the school board provides a healthful teaching environment."
That right there, as far as they were informed, provides the district with the legal authority to ensure that the teacher is complying with state laws.
I'm curious, are you suggesting that teachers should NOT be held to the same standard that most other fields are held to? Do you not think that teachers should be drug-free?
If that is the case can an obese teacher or a teacher who smokes cigarettes be faulted?
Does it say what the consequence is?
It does not say consequences, but no where was I talking about consequences. I do think that teachers that smoke SHOULD be faulted. I'm sorry, but I don't want my child to be in a classroom that reeks of cigarette smoke where they could be exposed to third hand smoke, or think that smoking is OK because the teacher they look up to smokes. And MOST teachers are well aware that this is a no-no. As for obesity, yes, I think that a teacher who is morbidly obese is presenting a poor example for children, but if you are standing all day teaching, chances are, you aren't morbidly obese.
I agree with you about teachers needing to provide a clean environment and the importance of teachers setting a good example. (You would be surprised at the size of some teachers I have had, so I guess standing all day didn't help.)
I know you were not talking about consequences so that is why I am asking. I was wondering what can happen to a teacher in this district, if in the eyes of whoever is in charge, they do not comply with this code of ethics? A warning, suspension , firing? Depends on the offense?
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Jonsgirl04
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
In my district any employee, teacher, secretary or custodian can be asked to submit a drug test if their is suspicion.. Also if found to be on drugs or be an alcoholic, you do not get fired, if you say u have a problem they require you to get help and if they do still can keep their job.
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
fox news is too dirty for me to even read but we had this discussion before. I am a true advocate for drug testing for people who take care of and teach children. If a truck drive has to draw blood or urinate in a cup so does someone taking care of our kids.
The sad thing there is no testing for prescription pills and I know more people addicted to that and work then someone smoking crack or doing heroin.
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
Posted by Mrs213
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I don't think this is a drama topic at all - take it being a "teacher" out of the equation... would you want your doctor caring for your while potentially high on heroin, or your child's day care provider, or your lawyer, or your bus driver? It doesn't have anything to do with them being a teacher per se, but rather about a person with a certain responsibility doing his/her job while on heroin.
Ita I think teachers should be held to a high standard, heroin in the bathroom is unacceptable and I'm not sure how there is even a debate here...
Absolutely! I'm a teacher and I find this deplorable. Teaching is a professional job and I am disgusted that drugs were found in a school. I don't care what people do on their own time but I DO care what they do during work hours. No different if it was found in a doctor's office or hospital. There is no place for it and I truly believe A LOT of professions should have drug testing. Doctors, Truck drivers, bus drivers, etc.
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kedra5
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
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Any job that deals with the public should be given random drug testing. Police officers, firefighters, teachers, etc. should not be under the influence of illegal drugs at any time. My job at an investment bank gave random drug testing. It was part of our morality clause.
I completely agree with this. Its a safety issue and also illegal!
DH is FDNY and is subject to random drug tests. They just show up at the firehouse and are required to take the test.
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jessnbrian
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
Posted by MrsProfessor
Posted by jessnbrian
It does not say consequences, but no where was I talking about consequences. I do think that teachers that smoke SHOULD be faulted. I'm sorry, but I don't want my child to be in a classroom that reeks of cigarette smoke where they could be exposed to third hand smoke, or think that smoking is OK because the teacher they look up to smokes. And MOST teachers are well aware that this is a no-no. As for obesity, yes, I think that a teacher who is morbidly obese is presenting a poor example for children, but if you are standing all day teaching, chances are, you aren't morbidly obese.
I would beg to differ on the morbid obesity issue- as a kid I had a few seriously obese teachers and as a teacher I had colleagues who fit the category.
When I worked for the DOE we were not allowed to smoke on school property and no one did. The smokers I worked with would run down the block for 5 minutes at lunch once during the day.
I am pretty anti smoking and would prefer my kid have a non-smoking teacher but I don't see how she would be exposed to third hand smoke or a classroom reeking of smoke. I know for a fact that her teacher barely has time to use the bathroom.
Anyway, as others have mentioned the union may have been concerned that teachers who were on legit meds could have that disclosed. If a teacher's on an antidepressant and doing his/her job effectively it's no one else's business.
I am not saying the union was wrong to stop the teachers from being singled out or tested. In fact, I did say that I understood why the union told them not to.
RE : third hand smoke, that is the smell that is left on clothes. I can tell you right now, that if my aunt was a teacher, her classroom would absolutely smell of cigarettes from her jacket alone. A smart smoking teacher would use one jacket for school hours and another after when they smoke. And you are absolutely right, I don't know a single teacher that has time to eat lunch, let alone run out for a cig break.
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