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jessnbrian
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
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Code of ethics (I won't say the district):
"14.The teacher endeavors to maintain good mental and physical health and to maintain a wholesome attitude toward the pupil; the school board provides a healthful teaching environment."
That right there, as far as they were informed, provides the district with the legal authority to ensure that the teacher is complying with state laws.
I'm curious, are you suggesting that teachers should NOT be held to the same standard that most other fields are held to? Do you not think that teachers should be drug-free?
If that is the case can an obese teacher or a teacher who smokes cigarettes be faulted? 
Does it say what the consequence is?
It does not say consequences, but no where was I talking about consequences. I do think that teachers that smoke SHOULD be faulted. I'm sorry, but I don't want my child to be in a classroom that reeks of cigarette smoke where they could be exposed to third hand smoke, or think that smoking is OK because the teacher they look up to smokes. And MOST teachers are well aware that this is a no-no. As for obesity, yes, I think that a teacher who is morbidly obese is presenting a poor example for children, but if you are standing all day teaching, chances are, you aren't morbidly obese.
I agree with you about teachers needing to provide a clean environment and the importance of teachers setting a good example. (You would be surprised at the size of some teachers I have had, so I guess standing all day didn't help.)
I know you were not talking about consequences so that is why I am asking. I was wondering what can happen to a teacher in this district, if in the eyes of whoever is in charge, they do not comply with this code of ethics? A warning, suspension , firing? Depends on the offense?
I actually did not read down enough (and as much as I'm loving this debate, I don't have time here at work)... but I would imagine it would follow the verbal warning, written warning, suspension, etc ... Depending on the offense. And I would imagine, there would be a difference if it was heroin found versus pot.
Also, I'd like to add that the contract does not explicitly say that a teacher cannot be intoxicated during school hours, however if a teacher was found to be DRUNK during the school day and in the classroom, you can bet your bottom dollar that there would be consequences.
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
Posted by Jonsgirl04
In my district any employee, teacher, secretary or custodian can be asked to submit a drug test if their is suspicion.. Also if found to be on drugs or be an alcoholic, you do not get fired, if you say u have a problem they require you to get help and if they do still can keep their job.
Thank you!
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Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
The news reports only suggest that a teacher may be a heroin addict.
This thread should be deleted because:
1. Assumptions make an a ess ess out of UME
2. Just because it's a faculty bathroom doesn't mean a faculty member used it.
3. Anyone with access to the building could have used it (Administration, Faculty, Staff, Parents, Visitors, Independent contractors, the water delivery guy... you get the point)
But who is automatically targeted? teachers.
I hope it was the guy who fixes the coffee maker.
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Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
it's fox news they will attack any public worker. They hate any form of socialism which in theory public education is socialist.
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
Posted by LIRascal
The news reports only suggest that a teacher may be a heroin addict.
This thread should be deleted because:
1. Assumptions make an a ess ess out of UME
2. Just because it's a faculty bathroom doesn't mean a faculty member used it.
3. Anyone with access to the building could have used it (Administration, Faculty, Staff, Parents, Visitors, Independent contractors, the water delivery guy... you get the point)
But who is automatically targeted? teachers.
I hope it was the guy who fixes the coffee maker.
Me too. If it was a middle school or high school the net could be cast more widely- it was not unusual for students to use the faculty bathroom in my old school- the door stuck and very few people could be bothered to pull it closed tightly.
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jessnbrian
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
Posted by MrsProfessor
Posted by LIRascal
The news reports only suggest that a teacher may be a heroin addict.
This thread should be deleted because:
1. Assumptions make an a ess ess out of UME
2. Just because it's a faculty bathroom doesn't mean a faculty member used it.
3. Anyone with access to the building could have used it (Administration, Faculty, Staff, Parents, Visitors, Independent contractors, the water delivery guy... you get the point)
But who is automatically targeted? teachers.
I hope it was the guy who fixes the coffee maker.
Me too. If it was a middle school or high school the net could be cast more widely- it was not unusual for students to use the faculty bathroom in my old school- the door stuck and very few people could be bothered to pull it closed tightly.
Absolutely... I know it's different now, but when I was in elementary school, I really don't think it would have been difficult for someone to have just walked in through a side entrance door from off the street and used the bathroom.
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
Posted by LIRascal
The news reports only suggest that a teacher may be a heroin addict.
This thread should be deleted because:
1. Assumptions make an a ess ess out of UME
2. Just because it's a faculty bathroom doesn't mean a faculty member used it.
3. Anyone with access to the building could have used it (Administration, Faculty, Staff, Parents, Visitors, Independent contractors, the water delivery guy... you get the point)
But who is automatically targeted? teachers.
I hope it was the guy who fixes the coffee maker.
If I worked at a place and this situation arrived, I would be the first one in line to take a drug test to prove I am clean. I haven't attacked teachers with this thread, I just don't understand why they are being told to not take a drug test. You only look guilty if you don't take it.
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jessnbrian
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by LIRascal
The news reports only suggest that a teacher may be a heroin addict.
This thread should be deleted because:
1. Assumptions make an a ess ess out of UME
2. Just because it's a faculty bathroom doesn't mean a faculty member used it.
3. Anyone with access to the building could have used it (Administration, Faculty, Staff, Parents, Visitors, Independent contractors, the water delivery guy... you get the point)
But who is automatically targeted? teachers.
I hope it was the guy who fixes the coffee maker.
If I worked at a place and this situation arrived, I would be the first one in line to take a drug test to prove I am clean. I haven't attacked teachers with this thread, I just don't understand why they are being told to not take a drug test. You only look guilty if you don't take it.
I don't really think anyone here was attacking teachers.
That said, I could understand why the union reps would suggest that they not have the test done, especially, like a pp said, if they are on LEGAL medications for a mental illness or any illness, there is a possibility that those meds could show up and cause issues for the teacher.
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
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If I worked at a place and this situation arrived, I would be the first one in line to take a drug test to prove I am clean. I haven't attacked teachers with this thread, I just don't understand why they are being told to not take a drug test. You only look guilty if you don't take it.
I don't really think anyone here was attacking teachers.
That said, I could understand why the union reps would suggest that they not have the test done, especially, like a pp said, if they are on LEGAL medications for a mental illness or any illness, there is a possibility that those meds could show up and cause issues for the teacher.
To me, it just seems like the union is protecting the guilty instead of the innocent. If someone is on legal medications, I don't see a problem with that. I do have a problem with someone possibly on illegal drugs and educating my child for a good portion of the day.
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
Posted by SlurpeeDad
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Posted by SlurpeeDad
If I worked at a place and this situation arrived, I would be the first one in line to take a drug test to prove I am clean. I haven't attacked teachers with this thread, I just don't understand why they are being told to not take a drug test. You only look guilty if you don't take it.
I don't really think anyone here was attacking teachers.
That said, I could understand why the union reps would suggest that they not have the test done, especially, like a pp said, if they are on LEGAL medications for a mental illness or any illness, there is a possibility that those meds could show up and cause issues for the teacher.
To me, it just seems like the union is protecting the guilty instead of the innocent. If someone is on legal medications, I don't see a problem with that. I do have a problem with someone possibly on illegal drugs and educating my child for a good portion of the day.
If a teacher is bipolar, that is not something they need to disclose, and if they are well medicated and well balanced, then there is no issue... but if it comes out that the teacher is on lithium (which could also be used to treat MANY other conditions) then it could potentially become an issue for that teacher. There is so many people who don't understand mental illness and would be afraid.
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Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
All they would need to do is to target what they are looking for. They can just do a drug test for heroin or cocaine. It does not have to include every single drug out there. But in my opinion it should include all illegal drugs, and if you have a prescription for something then it shouldn't be an issue.
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
Posted by KarenK122
All they would need to do is to target what they are looking for. They can just do a drug test for heroin or cocaine. It does not have to include every single drug out there. But in my opinion it should include all illegal drugs, and if you have a prescription for something then it shouldn't be an issue.
I was wondering if there was a single test for heroin. Not sure why they would need to test for anything else. Just heroin.
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
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Posted by SlurpeeDad
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If I worked at a place and this situation arrived, I would be the first one in line to take a drug test to prove I am clean. I haven't attacked teachers with this thread, I just don't understand why they are being told to not take a drug test. You only look guilty if you don't take it.
I don't really think anyone here was attacking teachers.
That said, I could understand why the union reps would suggest that they not have the test done, especially, like a pp said, if they are on LEGAL medications for a mental illness or any illness, there is a possibility that those meds could show up and cause issues for the teacher.
To me, it just seems like the union is protecting the guilty instead of the innocent. If someone is on legal medications, I don't see a problem with that. I do have a problem with someone possibly on illegal drugs and educating my child for a good portion of the day.
If a teacher is bipolar, that is not something they need to disclose, and if they are well medicated and well balanced, then there is no issue... but if it comes out that the teacher is on lithium (which could also be used to treat MANY other conditions) then it could potentially become an issue for that teacher. There is so many people who don't understand mental illness and would be afraid.
The thing is that if they are on the health insurance provided by the school district, and go to mental health providers, and receive medications using the health care benefits then someone somewhere outside of the doctor and the patient knows that X person is prescribed Y medication.
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jessnbrian
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
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Posted by SlurpeeDad
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Posted by SlurpeeDad
If I worked at a place and this situation arrived, I would be the first one in line to take a drug test to prove I am clean. I haven't attacked teachers with this thread, I just don't understand why they are being told to not take a drug test. You only look guilty if you don't take it.
I don't really think anyone here was attacking teachers.
That said, I could understand why the union reps would suggest that they not have the test done, especially, like a pp said, if they are on LEGAL medications for a mental illness or any illness, there is a possibility that those meds could show up and cause issues for the teacher.
To me, it just seems like the union is protecting the guilty instead of the innocent. If someone is on legal medications, I don't see a problem with that. I do have a problem with someone possibly on illegal drugs and educating my child for a good portion of the day.
If a teacher is bipolar, that is not something they need to disclose, and if they are well medicated and well balanced, then there is no issue... but if it comes out that the teacher is on lithium (which could also be used to treat MANY other conditions) then it could potentially become an issue for that teacher. There is so many people who don't understand mental illness and would be afraid.
The thing is that if they are on the health insurance provided by the school district, and go to mental health providers, and receive medications using the health care benefits then someone somewhere outside of the doctor and the patient knows that X person is prescribed Y medication.
No!!! HIPAA laws make it very clear that the insurance provider (say united healthcare) cannot tell the employer any of the information unless directly consented to by the patient. So, while the insurance knows, the employer does not.
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
I was just trying to read articles and find out more about the case, one thing I came across in comments on another article is that heroin only lasts in your urine for a couple of days . (Looked on other sites to try to verify and they seem to say the same thing, you know, since everything on the internet is true). The police officer is specifically quoted as saying he wants a urine test. Unless a person has used the drug since the 11th ( when the needles were found) it would not show up in the urine. If a person is an addict they have used since the 11th but still, a urine test as this point technically does not tell about the 11th.
Not saying I agree with this, I am just trying to figure out the UNion's point of view and reasoning for advising the teachers not to take the test. I would be mad if I were made to feel bad about taking the test myself if I were in that situation.
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
Posted by klingklang77
This needs a warning attached to it. My browser has now visited a fox news site, *blech*.
This is now my favorite post of the year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
That Fox News article is so misleading and something I've noticed many times with them when there is a situation involving unions. Other news sources reported that the Union told the teachers to get their own attorneys and the attorneys advised the teachers not to take the drug tests.
As a matter of course, I think most attorneys would initially advise their clients not to willingly submit to the test without a warrant. I am not sure that the fact that they used a somewhat public restroom (earlier that day?) would suffice as probable cause to issue a warrants for all of them but it's been many years since I studied constitutional law.
Having said that, the drug abuse epidemic in this country horrifies me. To think that a small child could have stumbled upon these things while at school is terrible!
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
Posted by OStewarts
That Fox News article is so misleading and something I've noticed many times with them when there is a situation involving unions. Other news sources reported that the Union told the teachers to get their own attorneys and the attorneys advised the teachers not to take the drug tests.
As a matter of course, I think most attorneys would initially advise their clients not to willingly submit to the test without a warrant. I am not sure that the fact that they used a somewhat public restroom (earlier that day?) would suffice as probable cause to issue a warrants for all of them but it's been many years since I studied constitutional law.
Having said that, the drug abuse epidemic in this country horrifies me. To think that a small child could have stumbled upon these things while at school is terrible!
Thanks for pointing this out, it makes so much more sense.
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
Posted by Sweetlax22
Posted by OStewarts
That Fox News article is so misleading and something I've noticed many times with them when there is a situation involving unions. Other news sources reported that the Union told the teachers to get their own attorneys and the attorneys advised the teachers not to take the drug tests.
As a matter of course, I think most attorneys would initially advise their clients not to willingly submit to the test without a warrant. I am not sure that the fact that they used a somewhat public restroom (earlier that day?) would suffice as probable cause to issue a warrants for all of them but it's been many years since I studied constitutional law.
Having said that, the drug abuse epidemic in this country horrifies me. To think that a small child could have stumbled upon these things while at school is terrible!
Thanks for pointing this out, it makes so much more sense.
Yes. Thank You.
That's the 1st I heard about getting their own lawyers. And I saw this on a few news outlets. I don't watch FOX.
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
Posted by OStewarts
That Fox News article is so misleading and something I've noticed many times with them when there is a situation involving unions. Other news sources reported that the Union told the teachers to get their own attorneys and the attorneys advised the teachers not to take the drug tests.
As a matter of course, I think most attorneys would initially advise their clients not to willingly submit to the test without a warrant. I am not sure that the fact that they used a somewhat public restroom (earlier that day?) would suffice as probable cause to issue a warrants for all of them but it's been many years since I studied constitutional law.
Having said that, the drug abuse epidemic in this country horrifies me. To think that a small child could have stumbled upon these things while at school is terrible!
I didn't know that I am supposed to take liberal biased news sources as fact and dismiss conservative news sources. You people teach me so much.
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jessnbrian
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by OStewarts
That Fox News article is so misleading and something I've noticed many times with them when there is a situation involving unions. Other news sources reported that the Union told the teachers to get their own attorneys and the attorneys advised the teachers not to take the drug tests.
As a matter of course, I think most attorneys would initially advise their clients not to willingly submit to the test without a warrant. I am not sure that the fact that they used a somewhat public restroom (earlier that day?) would suffice as probable cause to issue a warrants for all of them but it's been many years since I studied constitutional law.
Having said that, the drug abuse epidemic in this country horrifies me. To think that a small child could have stumbled upon these things while at school is terrible!
I didn't know that I am supposed to take liberal biased news sources as fact and dismiss conservative news sources. You people teach me so much.
There was no mention of liberal versus conservative, it was a very specific news outlet that was mentioned as being skewed.
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
Can't single out fox here, many major news reports were misleading.
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
Posted by klingklang77
This needs a warning attached to it. My browser has now visited a fox news site, *blech*.
It's real though--it's all over the local news in Westchester, even though this took place in Sullivan County.
Message edited 2/21/2014 2:16:10 PM.
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
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Posted by klingklang77
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!
EDITED! LOL, sorry! 
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Re: Elementary School Teachers - Heroin
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Posted by klingklang77
I don't understand why it is a debate either. does anyone think teachers should be allowed to do drugs at school?
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!
I actually edited that because I realized that much of the debate was actually about how the union was handling it.
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