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Re: Food For Thought (Election Related) Fixed
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I also wanted to add that I don't care that Obama is white or black. I researched the points that tommy2 made based on the idea that a PERSON would be our president.
you ASKED me directly what I thought about white, david duke, black and farrakhan....so I answered.
I don't think it's a secret that racism exists in this world and in this country.
I don't think "affirmative action" applies with a position like the presidency. Obama's way to the inugrual ball will not be paved with rose petals.
IF any of the allegation are true, they would be seized on and used against him. but they must be TRUE and provable for anyone to do that.
their lack of ability in this area only furthers my belief that these loose ties and made up kissing sessions are just what they appear to be.
Wow you definately should write a book Ophilea. You definatley have a eloquent style of writing. Compliment by the way
I just want to add that i have a ton of pride for my country. As i know most of you do too. And the people that Obama has associated with tell me a lot about him. You can say what you want, but theirs no denying that Rev. Wright is a Radical Racist person. Nor can you deny that William Ayers regardless of when he bombed the U.S. was still a friend of Obama's. And Tony Rezko did make financial contributions to Obama's campaign. He can denounce these folks all he wants, but it still reflects on his character imo.
On a final note i dont want to come across as racist. but in hindsight i can see how a post like this can be misconstrued as one. the truth is i help out more people of all races in one week, then most people do the entire year. As harsh as i can seem on some of my posts, in reality im a softee most of the time. I post these questions because i do think people should consider all of these things before making up their mind on whom to vote for. This is a big decision and should be looked upon as such, even if that means having to ask those "sensitive" questions
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Re: Food For Thought (Election Related) Fixed
How is Obama racist against himself. Or maybe im missing what you are saying?
He is half white and was raised by his white mother and white grandparents.
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Re: Food For Thought (Election Related) Fixed
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How is Obama racist against himself. Or maybe im missing what you are saying?
He is half white and was raised by his white mother and white grandparents.
i have no problem with Obama's backround. I really hope you can believe that My problem stems from whom he has associated himself with.
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Re: Food For Thought (Election Related) Fixed
Posted by tommy2
Wow you definately should write a book Ophilea. You definatley have a eloquent style of writing. Compliment by the way
thanks...(beside the typos hahaha) sadly if I sat down to write a book I'd have NOTHING to say  
Posted by tommy2
I just want to add that i have a ton of pride for my country. As i know most of you do too And the people that Obama has associated with tell me a lot about him. You can say what you want, but theirs no denying that Rev. Wright is a Radical Racist person. Nor can you deny that William Ayers regardless of when he bombed the U.S. was still a friend of Obama's. And Tony Rezko did make financial contributions to Obama's campaign. He can denounce these folks all he wants, but it still reflects on his character imo.
On a final note i dont want to come across as racist. but in hindsight i can see how a post like this can be misconstrued as one. the truth is i help out more people of all races in one week, then most people do the entire year. As harsh as i can seem on some of my posts, in reality im a softee most of the time. I post these questions because i do think people should consider all of these things before making up their mind on whom to vote for. This is a big decision and should be looked upon as such, even if that means having to ask those "sensitive" questions
I understand the point you were trying to make. I just think that these "relationships" have to be analyzed and taken into context.
do you think the Pope is bad b/c some of his priests were pedaphiles? truth be told we don't always know the people sleeping in our own BEDS, let alone giving a (small I might add) campaign contribution.
just b/c a person resonates with YOU doesn't mean YOU share THEIR views (in the case of Ayers and Obama) and these other connections are just too flimsy for me to be honest.
in politics is almost impossible to know everything about everyone you rub elbows with. I am sure McCain has similar shady aquaintances (or his FIL does)
Obama by all accounts appears to be good and genuine. I don't think he is a criminal...don't think he'd rob the treasury or defraud us in any way. I also don't think he holds true and dear the extremist beliefs of his church (I am a pro choice, pro gay marriage Catholic)
no pun intended, but not everything is black or white.
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Re: Food For Thought (Election Related) Fixed
Posted by tommy2
Posted by june262004
How is Obama racist against himself. Or maybe im missing what you are saying?
He is half white and was raised by his white mother and white grandparents.
i have no problem with Obama's backround. I really hope you can believe that My problem stems from whom he has associated himself with.
poor judgement on his part (at the time)
just as mccain's keating five experience
anyone holding that over mccain's head?
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Re: Food For Thought (Election Related) Fixed
again jess, so well stated! thank you for putting into words what i was thinking
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Re: Food For Thought (Election Related) Fixed
I understand the point you were trying to make. I just think that these "relationships" have to be analyzed and taken into context.
do you think the Pope is bad b/c some of his priests were pedaphiles? truth be told we don't always know the people sleeping in our own BEDS, let alone giving a (small I might add) campaign contribution.
just b/c a person resonates with YOU doesn't mean YOU share THEIR views (in the case of Ayers and Obama) and these other connections are just too flimsy for me to be honest.
in politics is almost impossible to know everything about everyone you rub elbows with. I am sure McCain has similar shady aquaintances (or his FIL does)
Obama by all accounts appears to be good and genuine. I don't think he is a criminal...don't think he'd rob the treasury or defraud us in any way. I also don't think he holds true and dear the extremist beliefs of his church (I am a pro choice, pro gay marriage Catholic)
no pun intended, but not everything is black or white.
Of course i don't believe the Pope is a bad person because of some of his priests. But its also a different situiation imo. Obama's relationship with Rev. Wright is more personal that that of the Popes. Obama raised his kids listening to this man speak his hate at the pulpit. If he really disagrees with this man then why would you have your kids listening to it?
It all ties in to his character. His voting record is FAR left, and when you associate with the likes of a William Ayers or Rev. Wright it opens up your eyes a little bit.
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Re: Food For Thought (Election Related) Fixed
Posted by MrsERod
Posted by tommy2
Posted by june262004
How is Obama racist against himself. Or maybe im missing what you are saying?
He is half white and was raised by his white mother and white grandparents.
i have no problem with Obama's backround. I really hope you can believe that My problem stems from whom he has associated himself with.
poor judgement on his part (at the time)
just as mccain's keating five experience
anyone holding that over mccain's head?
Thank you, I've heard nothing about the Keating Five in this election.
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Re: Food For Thought (Election Related) Fixed
Yeah, seriously, how come we don't hear anything about the Keating Five? John McCain was found to have exercised "poor judgement" in the case by the senate ethics committee. McCain and a bunch of other old rich white male senators took bribes (in the form of contributions) to get regulators to back off Charles Keatings' company, leading to the massive savings and loan crisis in the late 80s. It costs the american taxpayers over 100 billion dollars!
Oh, I'm sorry, back to your original question, Tommy. All I have to say is: 
I have no words.
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Re: Food For Thought (Election Related) Fixed
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Re: Food For Thought (Election Related) Fixed
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Can anyone just answer the original question? Do you think things would be different if it was the other way around?
I know this is a serious question on a lot of people's minds.
I won't because the premise is somewhat fictional IMO 
In order for the qestion to be taken seriously, a poster must accept your post as fact.
Ok Fact 1: Obama belonged to a radical church
Fact 2 William Ayers did set off bombs on American soil.
Fact 3 Tony Rezko was a major financial contributor to Obama's campaign.
ok - my response.
Fact 1 - Obama belonged to a church where the pastor gave a few (I dont know the number) of sermons that I and many others, including Obama - found racist and abhorrent. Obama has left the church.
my response - Sarah Palin's church had a 'Jews for Jesus' visitor - DAVID BRICKNER who said that Israel deserved to be war torn because Jews killed Jesus.
Fact 2. William Ayers and his wife set off a bomb when Obama was 8 years old. Ayers went to prison. Ayers is an education expert and did some non profit work for schools in poverty striken neighborhoods - that is where he met Obama - who was working for 3 years with Churches in low income areas in Chicago. He is not a part of his campaign.
my response - Karl Rove, **** Cheney, Scooter Libby among others leaked (through Robert Novak) not only the identity of a CIA operative - Valerie Plame - they also leaked the name of the fictional corporation that was a part of her cover, thereby compromising the safety of many CIA operatives who were using the same cover. This is treason.
Fact 3 - Rezko is a major contributor to Obama's campaign.
my response - G.Gordon Libby is a major contributor to McCain's campaign.
Final question - Do I think this would be more of an issue if he were not of mixed race - yes, I do.
my response - Do I think Sarah Palin would have been chosen if she were not a woman? Not a chance.
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ok - my response.
Fact 1 - Obama belonged to a church where the pastor gave a few (I dont know the number) of sermons that I and many others, including Obama - found racist and abhorrent. Obama has left the church.
my response - Sarah Palin's church had a 'Jews for Jesus' visitor who said that Israel deserved to be war torn because Jews killed Jesus.
where did you hear that? (about Palin's church)
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Re: Food For Thought (Election Related) Fixed
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ok - my response.
Fact 1 - Obama belonged to a church where the pastor gave a few (I dont know the number) of sermons that I and many others, including Obama - found racist and abhorrent. Obama has left the church.
my response - Sarah Palin's church had a 'Jews for Jesus' visitor who said that Israel deserved to be war torn because Jews killed Jesus.
where did you hear that? (about Palin's church)
CNN Information Room - The speaker was David Brickner. I should add that there is footage (according to websites ) showing her seated in the church when this idiot was speaking. . . .
I have heard his speech - scary stuff.
(edited because I wanted to double check his name)
edited again because the McCain camp confirmed that Palin was in attendance during the speech (found the McCain confirmation on MSNBC)
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Re: Food For Thought (Election Related) Fixed
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ok - my response.
Fact 1 - Obama belonged to a church where the pastor gave a few (I dont know the number) of sermons that I and many others, including Obama - found racist and abhorrent. Obama has left the church.
my response - Sarah Palin's church had a 'Jews for Jesus' visitor who said that Israel deserved to be war torn because Jews killed Jesus.
where did you hear that? (about Palin's church)
CNN Information Room - The speaker was David Brickner. I should add that there is footage showing her seated in the church when this idiot was speaking.
pretty sick, but he was a visitor right? I personally think it's worse when the Revered who baptized your children preaches hate, racism and says GOD dam* American
I wonder if Obama would have left that church if he wasn’t forced to
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Re: Food For Thought (Election Related) Fixed
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ok - my response.
Fact 1 - Obama belonged to a church where the pastor gave a few (I dont know the number) of sermons that I and many others, including Obama - found racist and abhorrent. Obama has left the church.
my response - Sarah Palin's church had a 'Jews for Jesus' visitor who said that Israel deserved to be war torn because Jews killed Jesus.
where did you hear that? (about Palin's church)
CNN Information Room - The speaker was David Brickner. I should add that there is footage showing her seated in the church when this idiot was speaking.
pretty sick, but he was a visitor right? I personally think it's worse when the Revered who baptized your children preaches hate, racism and says GOD dam* American
I wonder if Obama would have left that church if he wasn’t forced to
Yes - he was a visitor. . . which makes me so angry because they knew what kind of speaker this guy was.
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Re: Food For Thought (Election Related) Fixed
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ok - my response.
Fact 1 - Obama belonged to a church where the pastor gave a few (I dont know the number) of sermons that I and many others, including Obama - found racist and abhorrent. Obama has left the church.
my response - Sarah Palin's church had a 'Jews for Jesus' visitor who said that Israel deserved to be war torn because Jews killed Jesus.
where did you hear that? (about Palin's church)
CNN Information Room - The speaker was David Brickner. I should add that there is footage showing her seated in the church when this idiot was speaking.
pretty sick, but he was a visitor right? I personally think it's worse when the Revered who baptized your children preaches hate, racism and says GOD dam* American
I wonder if Obama would have left that church if he wasn’t forced to
Yes - he was a visitor. . . which makes me so angry because they knew what kind of speaker this guy was.
yes - good point. I do not identify with evangelicals
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Re: Food For Thought (Election Related) Fixed
All I want to know is how Tommy got on the email list for Karl Rove's talking points!
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Re: Food For Thought (Election Related) Fixed
hello everyone sorry i had a wedding to attend last night. I just wanted to add this little sound byte.
How to speak to a Nobama cultist How to speak to a Nobama cultist part 2
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Re: Food For Thought (Election Related) Fixed
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Posted by tommy2
Can anyone just answer the original question? Do you think things would be different if it was the other way around?
I know this is a serious question on a lot of people's minds.
I won't because the premise is somewhat fictional IMO
In order for the qestion to be taken seriously, a poster must accept your post as fact.
Ok Fact 1: Obama belonged to a radical church
Fact 2 William Ayers did set off bombs on American soil.
Fact 3 Tony Rezko was a major financial contributor to Obama's campaign.
ok - my response.
Fact 1 - Obama belonged to a church where the pastor gave a few (I dont know the number) of sermons that I and many others, including Obama - found racist and abhorrent. Obama has left the church.
my response - Sarah Palin's church had a 'Jews for Jesus' visitor - DAVID BRICKNER who said that Israel deserved to be war torn because Jews killed Jesus.
Fact 2. William Ayers and his wife set off a bomb when Obama was 8 years old. Ayers went to prison. Ayers is an education expert and did some non profit work for schools in poverty striken neighborhoods - that is where he met Obama - who was working for 3 years with Churches in low income areas in Chicago. He is not a part of his campaign.
my response - Karl Rove, **** Cheney, Scooter Libby among others leaked (through Robert Novak) not only the identity of a CIA operative - Valerie Plame - they also leaked the name of the fictional corporation that was a part of her cover, thereby compromising the safety of many CIA operatives who were using the same cover. This is treason.
Fact 3 - Rezko is a major contributor to Obama's campaign.
my response - G.Gordon Libby is a major contributor to McCain's campaign.
Final question - Do I think this would be more of an issue if he were not of mixed race - yes, I do.
my response - Do I think Sarah Palin would have been chosen if she were not a woman? Not a chance.
About the Ayers thing. If you dont find it disgusting that this guy is teaching our youth when he was quoted saying on September 11, 2001 that he didn't do enough. Then..............
Like i mentioned before in a previous post, its not like i think the worlds gonna end if Obama becomes President. Its more along the lines of show me your friends, and i'll tell you who you are.
But thx for being honest and actually responding to the question. I respect that.
By Stanley Kurtz
The problem of Barack Obama’s relationship with Bill Ayers will not go away. Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn were terrorists for the notorious Weather Underground during the turbulent 1960s, turning fugitive when a bomb — designed to kill army officers in New Jersey — accidentally exploded in a New York townhouse. Prior to that, Ayers and his cohorts succeeded in bombing the Pentagon. Ayers and Dohrn remain unrepentant for their terrorist past. Ayers was pictured in a 2001 article for Chicago magazine, stomping on an American flag, and told the New York Times just before 9/11 that the notion of the United States as a just and fair and decent place “makes me want to puke.” Although Obama actually launched his political career at an event at Ayers’s and Dohrn’s home, Obama has dismissed Ayers as just “a guy who lives in my neighborhood,” and “not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.” For his part, Ayers refuses to discuss his relationship with Obama.
Although the press has been notably lax about pursuing the matter, the full story of the Obama-Ayers relationship calls the truth of Obama’s account seriously into question. When Obama made his first run for political office, articles in both the Chicago Defender and the Hyde Park Herald featured among his qualifications his position as chairman of the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a foundation where Ayers was a founder and guiding force. Obama assumed the Annenberg board chairmanship only months before his first run for office, and almost certainly received the job at the behest of Bill Ayers. During Obama’s time as Annenberg board chairman, Ayers’s own education projects received substantial funding. Indeed, during its first year, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge struggled with significant concerns about possible conflicts of interest. With a writ to aid Chicago’s public schools, the Annenberg challenge played a deeply political role in Chicago’s education wars, and as Annenberg board chairman, Obama clearly aligned himself with Ayers’s radical views on education issues. With Obama heading up the board and Ayers heading up the other key operating body of the Annenberg Challenge, the two would necessarily have had a close working relationship for years (therefore “exchanging ideas on a regular basis”). So when Ayers and Dorhn hosted that kickoff for the first Obama campaign, it was not a random happenstance, but merely further evidence of a close and ongoing political partnership. Of course, all of this clearly contradicts Obama’s dismissal of the significance of his relationship with Ayers.
This much we know from the public record, but a large cache of documents housed in the Richard J. Daley Library at the University of Illinois at Chicago (UIC), is likely to flesh out the story. That document cache contains the internal files of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. The records in question are extensive, consisting of 132 boxes, containing 947 file folders, a total of about 70 linear feet of material. Not only would these files illuminate the working relationship between Obama and Bill Ayers, they would also provide significant insight into a web of ties linking Obama to various radical organizations, including Obama-approved foundation gifts to political allies. Obama’s leadership style and abilities are also sure to be illuminated by the documents in question.
Cover-Up?
Unfortunately, I don’t yet have access to the documents. The Special Collections section of the Richard J. Daley Library agreed to let me read them, but just before I boarded my flight to Chicago, the top library officials mysteriously intervened to bar access. Circumstances strongly suggest the likelihood that Bill Ayers himself may have played a pivotal role in this denial. Ayers has long taught at UIC, where the Chicago Annenberg Challenge offices were housed, rent-free. Ayers likely arranged for the files of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge to be housed in the UIC library, and may well have been consulted during my unsuccessful struggle to gain access to the documents. Let me, then, explain in greater detail what the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC) records are, and how I have been blocked from seeing them.
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If the food for thought is popcorn, I'd say we are about to get our fill....
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Explain what Ayers 'radical' position on Education is.
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Explain what Ayers 'radical' position on Education is.
William Charles "Bill" Ayers (born 1944) is an American Distinguished Professor in the College of Education at the University of Illinois at Chicago. He is most well known for his violent radical activism in the 1960s and 1970s and his current work in school reform and educational curriculum and instruction. In 1969 he co-founded the militant radical left organization Weatherman active during the 1960s and 1970s and was one of its top leaders.
one article from USA today
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About the Ayers thing. If you dont find it disgusting that this guy is teaching our youth when he was quoted saying on September 11, 2001 that he didn't do enough. Then..............
But thx for being honest and actually responding to the question. I respect that.
Look - I'm happy to engage in debates - but let's be very clear -
You make a VERY offensive assumption of me in your first line.
"Then. . . . " Then what? I'm as bad as Ayers? I share his views? What?
Dont assume anything about me.
I'm happy to discuss some of Ayers education positions - particularly how he incorporates the writings of Paulo Freire - south american education theorist.- whose book Pedagogy of the Oppressed - offers new alternatives away from what he calls the banking concept of education. The alternatives he employs are - more discussion, less lecture/more student engagement, more work in communities, more student empowerment through creative projects.
The author you cite admits to not having read the work he's talking about.
Ayers did a vile, heinous act 40 years ago. Obama did not 'launch' his career at his house. That sounds like a coming out party.
But again - if you want to discuss pedagogical theory - fine - but lay off first lines like the one you wrote .
. . . and he was not quoted on 9/11/01 - I'm NOT an Ayers apologist or supporter - but the info is wrong.
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Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by DandN
Explain what Ayers 'radical' position on Education is.
William Charles "Bill" Ayers (born 1944) is an American Distinguished Professor in the College of Education at the University of Illinois at Chicago. He is most well known for his violent radical activism in the 1960s and 1970s and his current work in school reform and educational curriculum and instruction. In 1969 he co-founded the militant radical left organization Weatherman active during the 1960s and 1970s and was one of its top leaders.
one article from USA today
That is not his education research.
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It should be noted that The National Review (TNR) is a right-leaning publication. Rarely is there ever a pro-left article in this publication.
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