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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Food For Thought (Election Related) Fixed
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Explain what Ayers 'radical' position on Education is.
William Charles "Bill" Ayers (born 1944) is an American Distinguished Professor in the College of Education at the University of Illinois at Chicago. He is most well known for his violent radical activism in the 1960s and 1970s and his current work in school reform and educational curriculum and instruction. In 1969 he co-founded the militant radical left organization Weatherman active during the 1960s and 1970s and was one of its top leaders.
one article from USA today
That is not his education research.
would you want someone who set off bombs on American soil as your teacher?
"Later in 1969, Ayers participated in planting a bomb at a statue dedicated to police casualties in the 1886 Haymarket Riot.[7] The blast broke almost 100 windows and blew pieces of the statue onto the nearby Kennedy Expressway.[8] (The statue was rebuilt and unveiled on May 4, 1970, and blown up again by other Weathermen on October 6, 1970.[9][8] Built yet again, the city posted a 24-hour police guard to prevent another blast.[8]) Ayers participated in the Days of Rage riot in Chicago in October 1969, and in December was at the "War Council" meeting in Flint, Michigan."
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Re: Food For Thought (Election Related) Fixed
You iknow, most of the candidates have something shadowy or unsavory in their past.
Palin's pastor says anyone who criticizes the President will burn in hell.
McCain has the Keating Five in his background (sounds like he wasn't part of it, just exercised bad judgement but still).
And he accepted the endorsement of Hagee, a lovely religious figure who describes the Catholics church as a great *****, and a false cult system. Despite calls to reject this endorsement, he took his sweet time turning it down. He actually said he was proud of the endorsement, knowing what this minister said about Catholics.
Actually, I'm not aware of any religious issues concerning Biden, though there may be some.
As for Ayres, there has never been any reliable evidence showing that he took Obama under his wing.
Too many right wing conspiracy theories floating around. I think you forgot the "Pssst, he's really a Muslim and will allow terrorists to overrun the country" theory.
Actually, too many consipracy theories right and left floating around. All of this is taking the focus off the issues, and the sorry state of our nation after eight years of Bush.
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DandN
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Re: Food For Thought (Election Related) Fixed
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by DandN
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by DandN
Explain what Ayers 'radical' position on Education is.
William Charles "Bill" Ayers (born 1944) is an American Distinguished Professor in the College of Education at the University of Illinois at Chicago. He is most well known for his violent radical activism in the 1960s and 1970s and his current work in school reform and educational curriculum and instruction. In 1969 he co-founded the militant radical left organization Weatherman active during the 1960s and 1970s and was one of its top leaders.
one article from USA today
That is not his education research.
would you want someone who set off bombs on American soil as your teacher?
"Later in 1969, Ayers participated in planting a bomb at a statue dedicated to police casualties in the 1886 Haymarket Riot.[7] The blast broke almost 100 windows and blew pieces of the statue onto the nearby Kennedy Expressway.[8] (The statue was rebuilt and unveiled on May 4, 1970, and blown up again by other Weathermen on October 6, 1970.[9][8] Built yet again, the city posted a 24-hour police guard to prevent another blast.[8]) Ayers participated in the Days of Rage riot in Chicago in October 1969, and in December was at the "War Council" meeting in Flint, Michigan."
I doubt I would - but my point is that his work as an education specialist is apart from his work as a 60s radical. We can deplore what he did and also acknowledge that some of the work he has done, specifically on education in poverty stricken areas is valuable.
But I also believe that many people dont know any of his education work and dismiss his research based on his radicalism from 40 years ago.
He has been employed by Un. of Illinois. Should no one attend that school because he is an employee?
Again - I'm horrified by what he did 40 years ago - but I'm also saying that some of the work he has done for getting funds for schools in low income areas in Chicago has been good for the people who live there.
. . . and he's not a part of the Obama campaign. He's not an advisor. They are not colleagues.
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tommy2
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Re: Food For Thought (Election Related) Fixed
. . . and he was not quoted on 9/11/01 - I'm NOT an Ayers apologist or supporter - but the info is wrong.
The Then..... was put there in haste. I had to leave the house and the bang head icon wasn't working.
You may not be an Ayer apologist or supporter, but you have no problem defending a P.O.S. who should be dead or behind bars for treason. A person who was recently photographed stepping on the American Flag to promote his book.
where do i sign my kids up for his class
And if he wasn't quoted on September 11, 2001 the pls tell me when? or are u denying this guy said that at all?
I heard Timothy McVeigh taught algebra in Oklahoma City
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Re: Food For Thought (Election Related) Fixed
Posted by Cpt2007
It should be noted that The National Review (TNR) is a right-leaning publication. Rarely is there ever a pro-left article in this publication.
yeah because the left is in a big hurry to put this article out.
By Stanley Kurtz
The problem of Barack Obama’s relationship with Bill Ayers will not go away. Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn were terrorists for the notorious Weather Underground during the turbulent 1960s, turning fugitive when a bomb — designed to kill army officers in New Jersey — accidentally exploded in a New York townhouse. Prior to that, Ayers and his cohorts succeeded in bombing the Pentagon. Ayers and Dohrn remain unrepentant for their terrorist past. Ayers was pictured in a 2001 article for Chicago magazine, stomping on an American flag, and told the New York Times just before 9/11 that the notion of the United States as a just and fair and decent place “makes me want to puke.” Although Obama actually launched his political career at an event at Ayers’s and Dohrn’s home, Obama has dismissed Ayers as just “a guy who lives in my neighborhood,” and “not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.” For his part, Ayers refuses to discuss his relationship with Obama.
Although the press has been notably lax about pursuing the matter, the full story of the Obama-Ayers relationship calls the truth of Obama’s account seriously into question. When Obama made his first run for political office, articles in both the Chicago Defender and the Hyde Park Herald featured among his qualifications his position as chairman of the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a foundation where Ayers was a founder and guiding force. Obama assumed the Annenberg board chairmanship only months before his first run for office, and almost certainly received the job at the behest of Bill Ayers. During Obama’s time as Annenberg board chairman, Ayers’s own education projects received substantial funding. Indeed, during its first year, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge struggled with significant concerns about possible conflicts of interest. With a writ to aid Chicago’s public schools, the Annenberg challenge played a deeply political role in Chicago’s education wars, and as Annenberg board chairman, Obama clearly aligned himself with Ayers’s radical views on education issues. With Obama heading up the board and Ayers heading up the other key operating body of the Annenberg Challenge, the two would necessarily have had a close working relationship for years (therefore “exchanging ideas on a regular basis”). So when Ayers and Dorhn hosted that kickoff for the first Obama campaign, it was not a random happenstance, but merely further evidence of a close and ongoing political partnership. Of course, all of this clearly contradicts Obama’s dismissal of the significance of his relationship with Ayers.
This much we know from the public record, but a large cache of documents housed in the Richard J. Daley Library at the University of Illinois at Chicago (UIC), is likely to flesh out the story. That document cache contains the internal files of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. The records in question are extensive, consisting of 132 boxes, containing 947 file folders, a total of about 70 linear feet of material. Not only would these files illuminate the working relationship between Obama and Bill Ayers, they would also provide significant insight into a web of ties linking Obama to various radical organizations, including Obama-approved foundation gifts to political allies. Obama’s leadership style and abilities are also sure to be illuminated by the documents in question.
Cover-Up?
Unfortunately, I don’t yet have access to the documents. The Special Collections section of the Richard J. Daley Library agreed to let me read them, but just before I boarded my flight to Chicago, the top library officials mysteriously intervened to bar access. Circumstances strongly suggest the likelihood that Bill Ayers himself may have played a pivotal role in this denial. Ayers has long taught at UIC, where the Chicago Annenberg Challenge offices were housed, rent-free. Ayers likely arranged for the files of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge to be housed in the UIC library, and may well have been consulted during my unsuccessful struggle to gain access to the documents. Let me, then, explain in greater detail what the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC) records are, and how I have been blocked from seeing them.
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Re: Food For Thought (Election Related) Fixed
Posted by tommy2
I heard Timothy McVeigh is teaching algebra in Oklahoma City
Oooohhhh is this on the ghost tour
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DandN
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Re: Food For Thought (Election Related) Fixed
Posted by tommy2
. . . and he was not quoted on 9/11/01 - I'm NOT an Ayers apologist or supporter - but the info is wrong.
The Then..... was put there in haste. I had to leave the house and the bang head icon wasn't working.
You may not be an Ayer apologist or supporter, but you have no problem defending a P.O.S. who should be dead or behind bars for treason. A person who was recently photographed stepping on the American Flag to promote his book.
where do i sign my kids up for his class
And if he wasn't quoted on September 11, 2001 the pls tell me when? or are u denying this guy said that at all?
I heard Timothy McVeigh taught algebra in Oklahoma City
I'm not denying he said anything -I just said he didnt say it on 9/11/01. It might not be a large point for you to argue - but I wanted to point it out because it's inaccurate.
Tommy, I have tried to debate points with you as I think debate is healthy - but you're resorting to name calling, so I'll stop responding to your posts after this - which I wish I didnt have to do because I like healthy productive debate - but this isn't.
So finally - I'm NOT defending his radicalism. I have repeatedly called it vile and horrific. In my original post I responded to your Ayers info only to show that his relationship to Obama is tangential at best and only related to his work in education. I have posted that SOME of his education work (from the 1980s specifically) is interesting and has benefitted some people in Chicago, specifically with regards to funding. You dont have to agree - you can choose to view him specifically for his violent radicalism. But I'm looking at something else he has done - something that not many people are all that familiar with unless they have researched theories of alternative education in urban areas - which I have. That is all I was talking about.
Are the college and graduate students who take his class in league with his views? Are they also traitors? Do they hate America as well? Should the University of Illinois be shut down because they employ him?
. . . And he was behind bars.
I am able to say that I find his actions egregious - and I'm also able to say that some of his post 1960s pedagogy ideas are interesting and have proven useful - that is not defending him. Defending him would be my trying to argue that his violent radicalism was somehow justified - which I dont believe.
You didn't seem to agree that all the people involved in the Valerie Plame affair should rot in jail as well (which they're not) - as they are also guilty of treason and I didnt engage in any cartoonish icons or insults.
And that is it for me and your posts.
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