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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
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there's a big difference between being unemployed b/c you got laid off due to the economy than to being unemployed b/c you're lazy and choose not to work and abuse the system...
Regardless, they collect, don't they?
So is it OK because it is the economy? I mean I still pay out of my paycheck.
let me further explain- if one is unemployed but is actively seeking employment--fine!
but if one is unemployed and is not seeking employment b/c one is lazy--this person is a drain on society and our economy and we should not have to pay for this person to abuse the system we all pay into.
So let's forget the unactive umemployed person here for a minute.
Let's say that a hard working Republican lost his job and collect unemployment.
Is the unemployment "fund" based out of everyone contributing to this fund? The government collecting from everyone to pay those people. Isn't the concept more Democrat vs Republican?
help me understand where republicans on unemployment has anything to do with Obama or McCain's plans? 
Nothing! I was reacting to the cartoon and wanted to point out that Republicans DO benefit now to systems in place that are more Democrat in concept.
That's it! It was just food for thoughts.
Not saying who was better than the other. I will not change anyone's opinion nore will I even attempt it.
yes but no one accused Democrats of being the only one's using social programs. Democrats push harder for them - more funding, more programs, etc. whereas the Republican approach/suggestion is to train these people or give them incentives so that they can get off Gov't programs and make their own money.
But in reality a lot of Republicans cannot afford being off those programs.
If everything was off the Govenment hands, things would not be affordable for many people. A lot of "republicans" cannot afford private schools. They depend on taxes to support public schools. KWIM?
so now you're bringing up public schools? I'm sorry, but I don't see where you're going with this.
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
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That was my very basic question about unemployment.
It is taking away from everyone paycheck. Hard earned money.
But, you have to have worked and contributed in order to be able to collect unemployment. You DON'T have to contribute a thing to collect from socialist programs. I think using unemployment as an example is like comparing apples and oranges.
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
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So let's forget the unactive umemployed person here for a minute.
Let's say that a hard working Republican lost his job and collect unemployment.
Is the unemployment "fund" based out of everyone contributing to this fund? The government collecting from everyone to pay those people. Isn't the concept more Democrat vs Republican?
the cartoon is poking fun at obama's economic plan. his "spread the wealth" policy.
this is my rambling train of thought of explaing it (these are my words..)"oh you've made enough money-- money you worked hard for-- let's take more of your hard earned paycheck away by increasing taxes and give it to others who didn't earn it. you've made enough--sorry you can't save for your family and live the life you are earning your paycheck to live--others need your money--above and beyond what you're already being taxed--here have some more taxes taken out of your paycheck"
That was my very basic question about unemployment.
It is taking away from everyone paycheck. Hard earned money.
I never really thought of it as anything more than any other insurance policy though .
I don't think anyone is saying that all government programs designated to help people are "bad" or "democratic" vs "republican". I think the point is that you can't help the world if you can barely help yourself.
I would love to save the world. I mean that 100% sincerely...I do. The problem is that these programs need to be reformed BEFORE the government takes everyone's money and puts it in to it. I have had conversations w/ people about my stance on this election and why. People seem to understand and then ask me "well, what about everyone else?". Well, I would love to help everyone else too, but my first thought has to be me and my family. I can't hand out life preservers if I am drowning. It's hard to think about someone I don't know when I see my own family suffering/struggling. I think that's the basic point that many people ar trying to make here. When I am in a good position I do donate to those in need, as does everyone around me. No one I know of right now can afford to do it on a continuous basis, especially in this economy. That's the thing that stinks, regardless of who wins, because of this bail out, everyone will be sure to see higher taxes. It's really bad timing.
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
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Giving short term money to someone who has earned money for themselves and has put into the pot is different than giving long term money to those who won't go out and earn it themselves.
thank you!
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
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Giving short term money to someone who has earned money for themselves and has put into the pot is different than giving long term money to those who won't go out and earn it themselves.
exactly. what is so hard to understand here 
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
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But in reality a lot of Republicans cannot afford being off those programs.
If everything was off the Govenment hands, things would not be affordable for many people. A lot of "republicans" cannot afford private schools. They depend on taxes to support public schools. KWIM?
you're missing the point of what i have been trying to explain.
the cartoon is not saying it wants to get rid of programs that help ALL AMERICANS--it is poking fun of "spread the wealth." it is satirizing that we shouldnt lose more of our hard earned paychecks to increased taxes to help those who choose not to help themselves.
Forget the cartoon! This thread is a spinoff to the cartoon that got me thinking.
So my question is: what is the cuttoff % of taxes that you think would be OK to take off paychecks to be considered Republican and not Democrat
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
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That was my very basic question about unemployment.
It is taking away from everyone paycheck. Hard earned money.
But, you have to have worked and contributed in order to be able to collect unemployment. You DON'T have to contribute a thing to collect from socialist programs. I think using unemployment as an example is like comparing apples and oranges.
What person in what campaign has said that lazy people would be getting any money or be rewarded for it?
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
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So my question is: what is the cuttoff % of taxes that you think would be OK to take off paychecks to be considered Republican and not Democrat
my personal opinion, the tax structure as it set up now is fair - IMO.
the rich already DO pay much higher taxes. DH and I are no where NEAR being rich, but we're in a higher bracket than a lot of others.
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
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Giving short term money to someone who has earned money for themselves and has put into the pot is different than giving long term money to those who won't go out and earn it themselves.
exactly. what is so hard to understand here
I think you guys are COMPLETELY missing the point I was making!!!!
Taking money away from my paycheck for ANYONE unemployed IS spreading the wealth ALREADY.
Taking money away from my paycheck to pay for public schools IS spreading the wealth ALREADY.
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
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But in reality a lot of Republicans cannot afford being off those programs.
If everything was off the Govenment hands, things would not be affordable for many people. A lot of "republicans" cannot afford private schools. They depend on taxes to support public schools. KWIM?
you're missing the point of what i have been trying to explain.
the cartoon is not saying it wants to get rid of programs that help ALL AMERICANS--it is poking fun of "spread the wealth." it is satirizing that we shouldnt lose more of our hard earned paychecks to increased taxes to help those who choose not to help themselves.
Forget the cartoon! This thread is a spinoff to the cartoon that got me thinking.
So my question is: what is the cuttoff % of taxes that you think would be OK to take off paychecks to be considered Republican and not Democrat
republicans want smaller gov't- and don't want to raise taxes--as mccain has promised.
i would like less taxes to be taken out of my paycheck, but i don't know if that can happen.
i cannot answer your question exactly as you asked it b/c there isnt an answer--percentages of taxes are not partisan.
big govt and high taxes is a democratic idea
small govt and lower taxes is a republican idea
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
here's a joke that pretty much sums up how taxes work...
Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. 'Since you are all such good customers, he said, 'I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20. Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.
The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free.
But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?'
They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.
And so:
The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings) .
The seventh now paid $5 instead of $7 (28%savings) .
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
Each of the six was better off than before And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.
'I only got a dollar out of the $20', declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,' but he got $10!'
'Yeah, that's right', exclaimed the fifth man. 'I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!'
'That's true!!' shouted the seventh man. 'Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!'
'Wait a minute,' yelled the first four men in unison. 'We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!'
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!
And that, boys and girls , journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.
David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics, University of Georgia
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
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But in reality a lot of Republicans cannot afford being off those programs.
If everything was off the Govenment hands, things would not be affordable for many people. A lot of "republicans" cannot afford private schools. They depend on taxes to support public schools. KWIM?
you're missing the point of what i have been trying to explain.
the cartoon is not saying it wants to get rid of programs that help ALL AMERICANS--it is poking fun of "spread the wealth." it is satirizing that we shouldnt lose more of our hard earned paychecks to increased taxes to help those who choose not to help themselves.
Forget the cartoon! This thread is a spinoff to the cartoon that got me thinking.
So my question is: what is the cuttoff % of taxes that you think would be OK to take off paychecks to be considered Republican and not Democrat
republicans want smaller gov't- and don't want to raise taxes--as mccain has promised.
i would like less taxes to be taken out of my paycheck, but i don't know if that can happen.
i cannot answer your question exactly as you asked it b/c there isnt an answer--percentages of taxes are not partisan.
big govt and high taxes is a democratic idea
small govt and lower taxes is a republican idea
I'm all for small government. I would rather them not be in my business.
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
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Posted by babymakes3
Giving short term money to someone who has earned money for themselves and has put into the pot is different than giving long term money to those who won't go out and earn it themselves.
exactly. what is so hard to understand here
I think you guys are COMPLETELY missing the point I was making!!!!
Taking money away from my paycheck for ANYONE unemployment IS spreading the wealth ALREADY.
Taking money away from my paycheck to pay for public schools IS spreading the wealth ALREADY.
the democrats want to spread the wealth on a larger scale- they will decide that you have made enough money and will not let you earn and keep what you have to give it to others who have not earned it-- YOUR MONEY!
our money will not be our own- it will be the govenment's who will give it to everyone else but you who earned it!!
look at what congress is trying to do to our pensions and 401ks- they want to nationalize our pensions! our retirement savings!
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
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big govt and high taxes is a democratic idea
small govt and lower taxes is a republican idea
I mean... I am not that idiotic! I DO get the concept.
But how would we pay for school for our kids if it was not paid through taxes?
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
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Posted by babymakes3
Giving short term money to someone who has earned money for themselves and has put into the pot is different than giving long term money to those who won't go out and earn it themselves.
exactly. what is so hard to understand here
I think you guys are COMPLETELY missing the point I was making!!!!
Taking money away from my paycheck for ANYONE unemployed IS spreading the wealth ALREADY.
Taking money away from my paycheck to pay for public schools IS spreading the wealth ALREADY.
yes it is, that's why their called "social programs"
what Obama wants to do is take even MORE money from those who worked their azzes off and use it to give other people a tax break.
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
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That was my very basic question about unemployment.
It is taking away from everyone paycheck. Hard earned money.
But, you have to have worked and contributed in order to be able to collect unemployment. You DON'T have to contribute a thing to collect from socialist programs. I think using unemployment as an example is like comparing apples and oranges.
What person in what campaign has said that lazy people would be getting any money or be rewarded for it?
Read the last question on page 5. Barack's own page It says in black and white that he will be taking from those that make money to pay for those that don't. Note- there's no specification of having to prove WHY you dont have income... so those that don't work "just because" will still be covered- That's where it says that people will be rewarded.
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
So NOBODY agrees that the system we have NOW has a Democratic aspect to it ALREADY.
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
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That was my very basic question about unemployment.
It is taking away from everyone paycheck. Hard earned money.
But, you have to have worked and contributed in order to be able to collect unemployment. You DON'T have to contribute a thing to collect from socialist programs. I think using unemployment as an example is like comparing apples and oranges.
What person in what campaign has said that lazy people would be getting any money or be rewarded for it?
Read the last question on page 5. Barack's own page It says in black and white that he will be taking from those that make money to pay for those that don't. Note- there's no specification of having to prove WHY you dont have income... so those that don't work "just because" will still be covered- That's where it says that people will be rewarded.
Honestly, this is a bit simplistic to say that. More of a scare tactic!
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
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big govt and high taxes is a democratic idea
small govt and lower taxes is a republican idea
I mean... I am not that idiotic! I DO get the concept.
But how would we pay for school for our kids if it was not paid through taxes?
i think i was misunderstood.
taxes will still be taken out of our paychecks to pay for things like schools and other social programs no matter who is president, and i am not disputing that fact.
but if you read my previous posts about exactly what "spread the wealth" means, you'll see the difference between paying our taxes and being taxed to death!
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
here's a joke that pretty much sums up how taxes work...
Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. 'Since you are all such good customers, he said, 'I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20. Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.
The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free.
But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?'
They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.
And so:
The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings) .
The seventh now paid $5 instead of $7 (28%savings) .
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
Each of the six was better off than before And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.
'I only got a dollar out of the $20', declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,' but he got $10!'
'Yeah, that's right', exclaimed the fifth man. 'I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!'
'That's true!!' shouted the seventh man. 'Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!'
'Wait a minute,' yelled the first four men in unison. 'We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!'
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!
And that, boys and girls , journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.
David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics, University of Georgia
Love it.
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
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Posted by smdl
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Posted by babymakes3
Giving short term money to someone who has earned money for themselves and has put into the pot is different than giving long term money to those who won't go out and earn it themselves.
exactly. what is so hard to understand here
I think you guys are COMPLETELY missing the point I was making!!!!
Taking money away from my paycheck for ANYONE unemployed IS spreading the wealth ALREADY.
Taking money away from my paycheck to pay for public schools IS spreading the wealth ALREADY.
yes it is, that's why their called "social programs"
what Obama wants to do is take even MORE money from those who worked their azzes off and use it to give other people a tax break.
AGAIN my point was NOT about Obama and his program but about our current system. That we DO have social programs indeed like you just said. And that those in concept are MORE Democratic in nature.
ETA.... but no Republicans will admit to that.
And for the records I have been both a Republican supporter and a Democrat supporter depending on candidates.
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Honestly, this is a bit simplistic to say that. More of a scare tactic!
Im completely confused now.
I took the information directly from OBAMA'S page. It says it, clearly, right there on his page. i really don't understand where the simplicity or scare tactic is here? You asked for an example of how people who contribute nothing would benefit from these programs (as opposed to the unemployment example where you have to contribute in order to benefit from it), so i gave you a specific example directly from the candidate's page. If that doesn't suffice, then i really don't know what you're looking for here.
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
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That was my very basic question about unemployment.
It is taking away from everyone paycheck. Hard earned money.
But, you have to have worked and contributed in order to be able to collect unemployment. You DON'T have to contribute a thing to collect from socialist programs. I think using unemployment as an example is like comparing apples and oranges.
What person in what campaign has said that lazy people would be getting any money or be rewarded for it?
Read the last question on page 5. Barack's own page It says in black and white that he will be taking from those that make money to pay for those that don't. Note- there's no specification of having to prove WHY you dont have income... so those that don't work "just because" will still be covered- That's where it says that people will be rewarded.
Honestly, this is a bit simplistic to say that. More of a scare tactic!
Not really because this already happens. When you collect money from the government there is really very little that you do to prove that you are sitting around all day collecting money vs actively seeking work. All you have to do really is either show a return or call in an automated system and say that you are "willing and able" to work. The government isn't going to interview people extensively before they give out money. They will probably just base need by income as it has done.
ETA: I do not not look at unemployment insurance as 'spreading the wealth", if that's what you are asking. You pay into an insurance program in the even that you need it so the person paying in can potentially benefit from it. Someone just taking money from one person to give it to another, when the first person will not see it or benefit from it is quite different. I think you are kind of stretching the concept. Yes, we have government programs in our society that were established by both republicans and democrats (saying that one party does not give a hoot what happens to people and the other does is ridiculous). However there is a large difference here and you are comparing apples and oranges. Sweetest is right. There is a difference between paying taxes and being taxed to death and redistributing wealth.
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
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Posted by babymakes3
Giving short term money to someone who has earned money for themselves and has put into the pot is different than giving long term money to those who won't go out and earn it themselves.
exactly. what is so hard to understand here
I think you guys are COMPLETELY missing the point I was making!!!!
Taking money away from my paycheck for ANYONE unemployed IS spreading the wealth ALREADY.
Taking money away from my paycheck to pay for public schools IS spreading the wealth ALREADY.
yes it is, that's why their called "social programs"
what Obama wants to do is take even MORE money from those who worked their azzes off and use it to give other people a tax break.
AGAIN my point was NOT about Obama and his program but about our current system. That we DO have social programs indeed like you just said. And that those in concept are MORE Democratic in nature.
this thread didn't have to be 2 pages if you just made that statement.
of COURSE we have social programs already that cost billions of $'s. no one is disputing that we are not a perfect Democracy, no country is. but we're not a Socialist society either, for now anyway!
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evnme
My little lamb
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Re: Food for thoughts - For Republicans (but Democrats welcome!)
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
of COURSE we have social programs already that cost billions of $'s. no one is disputing that we are not a perfect Democracy, no country is. but we're not a Socialist society either, for now anyway!
yes- FDR put many of these social programs into play and they still help all americans across all party lines and our taxes help fund them.
i will restate what i said before: there is a difference between paying our taxes and being taxed to death!
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| Posted 10/26/08 12:29 AM |
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