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Re: Georgia and Missouri Anti-abortion Laws
Posted by Sash
Not directed at this post, but I am curious why people are saying the poor does not have easy access to education and abortions?
I can only speak for NYC but I know they do teach sex education at school and hand out condoms. Also people do have access to clinics to get an abortion, it isn't hard to get an abortion. I guess if you can't afford the couple hundreds of dollars that would be an issue. But I don't think that is as common as it is being referred to on this thread.
Are we talking about in south/mid west states where they are more quiet about sex education?
Yes, access for poorer typically rural women in states that put unnecessary restrictions on abortion clinics is much more limited.
For example, if you live in Lubbock, Texas - your closest abortion provider is 262.4 miles away Abortion Providers in TX . There is a 24 hour waiting period after your initial consultation, though that can get waived if you live more than 100 miles away from the clinic. At the initial consult, they have to show you the sonogram and give you paperwork about all your alternative options. In Texas, insurance cannot cover abortion - it costs between $300-$1500 depending on where you go and what kind of abortion you get - medical vs. surgical.
So in addition to the cost of the abortion, you have time off from work that is necessary to go to the clinic (assuming you can take the time off without losing your job) and possible child care costs if you have other kids. This makes abortion very cost prohibitive for poorer women.
Other states are similar. If you live in South Dakota - there are currently only 2 abortion providers in the whole state. I know they are under constant threat to be closed due the restrictions placed on them by the state.
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Re: Georgia and Missouri Anti-abortion Laws
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Here are my two cents. I personally don’t think I could ever have an abortion. Fortunately, I never faced a situation where I needed to make the choice.
We have been finding more details of my family tree. I did find out I had a great great Aunt in Italy who died at 16 because her Mom gave her an abortion. If laws restrict this, more people will die.
I do not think the government should fund Planned Parenthood. My tax dollars should have nothing to do with it. We have health insurance and Doctors. If someone makes that choice for themselves, they should be fiscally responsible for it. This is their decision. Their choice that is between their doctor, family, and their own conscience.
I do feel though that with birth control and morning after pills though- people should be more responsible.
But again, it is not my choice so why should I have a say.
Health insurance does not cover abortions. If there is no funding or places like Planned Parenthood then you have a higher increase in unwanted children entering the foster system because it wouldn't be affordable for ladies to get help or contraceptives.
Not directed at this post, but I am curious why people are saying the poor does not have easy access to education and abortions?
I can only speak for NYC but I know they do teach sex education at school and hand out condoms. Also people do have access to clinics to get an abortion, it isn't hard to get an abortion. I guess if you can't afford the couple hundreds of dollars that would be an issue. But I don't think that is as common as it is being referred to on this thread.
Are we talking about in south/mid west states where they are more quiet about sex education?
Actually, some private insurance DOES cover abortions. Google it. I actually searched it under my plan and my insurance covers it. Obviously, co insurance has to be paid but it falls as a acceptable procedure that is covered under insurance.
I think people need to be more responsible. Schools need to teach sex ed and explain all the forms of birth control available from condoms to morning after pill.
We are spoiled in NY as we have access to these clinics all over. I see them in Farmingdale, Smithtown, all over the city, etc.
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Re: Georgia and Missouri Anti-abortion Laws
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Actually, some private insurance DOES cover abortions. Google it. I actually searched it under my plan and my insurance covers it. Obviously, co insurance has to be paid but it falls as a acceptable procedure that is covered under insurance.
I think people need to be more responsible. Schools need to teach sex ed and explain all the forms of birth control available from condoms to morning after pill.
We are spoiled in NY as we have access to these clinics all over. I see them in Farmingdale, Smithtown, all over the city, etc.
Yes, some private insurance does - at least in NYS. My abortion was covered by my insurance - it would have been over $500 without it, but instead I paid the $25 co-pay. However, as I mentioned on the prior post, Texas has actually passed a law that insurance can't cover abortions, unless you take out extra coverage, so this does vary state to state.
However, if you're poor and have Medicaid, then it is not covered and you will have to pay out of pocket.
People being more responsible is a nice idea, and I'm all for promoting that in general, but it's just not realistic and won't prevent all pregnancies. Yes, education and access to birth control reduce unwanted pregnancies. Many of the pro-lifers like to restrict these too - limit education to abstinence only and limit access to birth control. And even with education and available birth control, birth control fail and there is human error and sometimes just human stupidity.
By the way, the government doesn't "fund" planned parenthood. The government money that goes to planned parenthood is payment through medicaid, because planned parenthood frequently provides women's healthcare to under-served communities, who wouldn't have access to this kind of healthcare otherwise. Many private doctor's don't accept medicaid, so planned parenthood can be their only option to get birth control, well-checks, breast exams, etc. So when people say that the government funds planned parenthood, that just means that planned parenthood accepts the government provided healthcare and gets reimbursed for the services they provide to poor people who qualify. Cutting funding would mean that the government is deciding that the poor people who use medicaid shouldn't be allowed to go to planned parenthood for preventive medicine anymore, which could leave those people with very limited options to get these services.
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Re: Georgia and Missouri Anti-abortion Laws
Kentucky, which has also signed a heartbeat bill, has one abortion clinic in the state. Here is video of what it takes to just enter the clinic Video
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Re: Georgia and Missouri Anti-abortion Laws
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Posted by Sash
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Here are my two cents. I personally don’t think I could ever have an abortion. Fortunately, I never faced a situation where I needed to make the choice.
We have been finding more details of my family tree. I did find out I had a great great Aunt in Italy who died at 16 because her Mom gave her an abortion. If laws restrict this, more people will die.
I do not think the government should fund Planned Parenthood. My tax dollars should have nothing to do with it. We have health insurance and Doctors. If someone makes that choice for themselves, they should be fiscally responsible for it. This is their decision. Their choice that is between their doctor, family, and their own conscience.
I do feel though that with birth control and morning after pills though- people should be more responsible.
But again, it is not my choice so why should I have a say.
Health insurance does not cover abortions. If there is no funding or places like Planned Parenthood then you have a higher increase in unwanted children entering the foster system because it wouldn't be affordable for ladies to get help or contraceptives.
Not directed at this post, but I am curious why people are saying the poor does not have easy access to education and abortions?
I can only speak for NYC but I know they do teach sex education at school and hand out condoms. Also people do have access to clinics to get an abortion, it isn't hard to get an abortion. I guess if you can't afford the couple hundreds of dollars that would be an issue. But I don't think that is as common as it is being referred to on this thread.
Are we talking about in south/mid west states where they are more quiet about sex education?
Actually, some private insurance DOES cover abortions. Google it. I actually searched it under my plan and my insurance covers it. Obviously, co insurance has to be paid but it falls as a acceptable procedure that is covered under insurance.
I think people need to be more responsible. Schools need to teach sex ed and explain all the forms of birth control available from condoms to morning after pill.
We are spoiled in NY as we have access to these clinics all over. I see them in Farmingdale, Smithtown, all over the city, etc.
Do you really think that a woman in a dire situation has private health insurance???
Or is she just supposed to pick herself up by the bootstraps and make it work? If you have ever gone through hard times, maybe you would understand that government funding is needed for welfare, etc.
If you don’t believe in it for yourself, then fine. But don’t impose your beliefs onto others. There are women who get PG after rape, contraception fails, they don’t have enough money, the father leaves, something is wrong with the baby, etc. They have rights, too.
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Re: Georgia and Missouri Anti-abortion Laws
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Kentucky, which has also signed a heartbeat bill, has one abortion clinic in the state. Here is video of what it takes to just enter the clinic Video
This is reprehensible. These insufferable assholes need to stop with their disgusting bs.
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Re: Georgia and Missouri Anti-abortion Laws
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Posted by MrsMick
Posted by Sash
Posted by MrsMick
Here are my two cents. I personally don’t think I could ever have an abortion. Fortunately, I never faced a situation where I needed to make the choice.
We have been finding more details of my family tree. I did find out I had a great great Aunt in Italy who died at 16 because her Mom gave her an abortion. If laws restrict this, more people will die.
I do not think the government should fund Planned Parenthood. My tax dollars should have nothing to do with it. We have health insurance and Doctors. If someone makes that choice for themselves, they should be fiscally responsible for it. This is their decision. Their choice that is between their doctor, family, and their own conscience.
I do feel though that with birth control and morning after pills though- people should be more responsible.
But again, it is not my choice so why should I have a say.
Health insurance does not cover abortions. If there is no funding or places like Planned Parenthood then you have a higher increase in unwanted children entering the foster system because it wouldn't be affordable for ladies to get help or contraceptives.
Not directed at this post, but I am curious why people are saying the poor does not have easy access to education and abortions?
I can only speak for NYC but I know they do teach sex education at school and hand out condoms. Also people do have access to clinics to get an abortion, it isn't hard to get an abortion. I guess if you can't afford the couple hundreds of dollars that would be an issue. But I don't think that is as common as it is being referred to on this thread.
Are we talking about in south/mid west states where they are more quiet about sex education?
Actually, some private insurance DOES cover abortions. Google it. I actually searched it under my plan and my insurance covers it. Obviously, co insurance has to be paid but it falls as a acceptable procedure that is covered under insurance.
I think people need to be more responsible. Schools need to teach sex ed and explain all the forms of birth control available from condoms to morning after pill.
We are spoiled in NY as we have access to these clinics all over. I see them in Farmingdale, Smithtown, all over the city, etc.
Do you really think that a woman in a dire situation has private health insurance???
Or is she just supposed to pick herself up by the bootstraps and make it work? If you have ever gone through hard times, maybe you would understand that government funding is needed for welfare, etc.
If you don’t believe in it for yourself, then fine. But don’t impose your beliefs onto others. There are women who get PG after rape, contraception fails, they don’t have enough money, the father leaves, something is wrong with the baby, etc. They have rights, too.
Bootstrapping. What a way of life 
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Re: Georgia and Missouri Anti-abortion Laws
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Posted by Sash
Posted by MrsMick
Here are my two cents. I personally don’t think I could ever have an abortion. Fortunately, I never faced a situation where I needed to make the choice.
We have been finding more details of my family tree. I did find out I had a great great Aunt in Italy who died at 16 because her Mom gave her an abortion. If laws restrict this, more people will die.
I do not think the government should fund Planned Parenthood. My tax dollars should have nothing to do with it. We have health insurance and Doctors. If someone makes that choice for themselves, they should be fiscally responsible for it. This is their decision. Their choice that is between their doctor, family, and their own conscience.
I do feel though that with birth control and morning after pills though- people should be more responsible.
But again, it is not my choice so why should I have a say.
Health insurance does not cover abortions. If there is no funding or places like Planned Parenthood then you have a higher increase in unwanted children entering the foster system because it wouldn't be affordable for ladies to get help or contraceptives.
Not directed at this post, but I am curious why people are saying the poor does not have easy access to education and abortions?
I can only speak for NYC but I know they do teach sex education at school and hand out condoms. Also people do have access to clinics to get an abortion, it isn't hard to get an abortion. I guess if you can't afford the couple hundreds of dollars that would be an issue. But I don't think that is as common as it is being referred to on this thread.
Are we talking about in south/mid west states where they are more quiet about sex education?
Actually, some private insurance DOES cover abortions. Google it. I actually searched it under my plan and my insurance covers it. Obviously, co insurance has to be paid but it falls as a acceptable procedure that is covered under insurance.
I think people need to be more responsible. Schools need to teach sex ed and explain all the forms of birth control available from condoms to morning after pill.
We are spoiled in NY as we have access to these clinics all over. I see them in Farmingdale, Smithtown, all over the city, etc.
I know because a Google search is golden and that’s where all facts should be derived from. In any event that’s interesting, all my private insurance plans I had covered through work did not cover abortion. I really didn’t know there were some insurances that covered abortion.
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Re: Georgia and Missouri Anti-abortion Laws
Posted by starbrightgirl8
Posted by Sash
Not directed at this post, but I am curious why people are saying the poor does not have easy access to education and abortions?
I can only speak for NYC but I know they do teach sex education at school and hand out condoms. Also people do have access to clinics to get an abortion, it isn't hard to get an abortion. I guess if you can't afford the couple hundreds of dollars that would be an issue. But I don't think that is as common as it is being referred to on this thread.
Are we talking about in south/mid west states where they are more quiet about sex education?
Yes, access for poorer typically rural women in states that put unnecessary restrictions on abortion clinics is much more limited.
For example, if you live in Lubbock, Texas - your closest abortion provider is 262.4 miles away Abortion Providers in TX . There is a 24 hour waiting period after your initial consultation, though that can get waived if you live more than 100 miles away from the clinic. At the initial consult, they have to show you the sonogram and give you paperwork about all your alternative options. In Texas, insurance cannot cover abortion - it costs between $300-$1500 depending on where you go and what kind of abortion you get - medical vs. surgical.
So in addition to the cost of the abortion, you have time off from work that is necessary to go to the clinic (assuming you can take the time off without losing your job) and possible child care costs if you have other kids. This makes abortion very cost prohibitive for poorer women.
Other states are similar. If you live in South Dakota - there are currently only 2 abortion providers in the whole state. I know they are under constant threat to be closed due the restrictions placed on them by the state.
Thanks for clarifying...
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Re: Georgia and Missouri Anti-abortion Laws
Posted by Sash
Posted by MrsMick
Posted by Sash
Posted by MrsMick
Here are my two cents. I personally don’t think I could ever have an abortion. Fortunately, I never faced a situation where I needed to make the choice.
We have been finding more details of my family tree. I did find out I had a great great Aunt in Italy who died at 16 because her Mom gave her an abortion. If laws restrict this, more people will die.
I do not think the government should fund Planned Parenthood. My tax dollars should have nothing to do with it. We have health insurance and Doctors. If someone makes that choice for themselves, they should be fiscally responsible for it. This is their decision. Their choice that is between their doctor, family, and their own conscience.
I do feel though that with birth control and morning after pills though- people should be more responsible.
But again, it is not my choice so why should I have a say.
Health insurance does not cover abortions. If there is no funding or places like Planned Parenthood then you have a higher increase in unwanted children entering the foster system because it wouldn't be affordable for ladies to get help or contraceptives.
Not directed at this post, but I am curious why people are saying the poor does not have easy access to education and abortions?
I can only speak for NYC but I know they do teach sex education at school and hand out condoms. Also people do have access to clinics to get an abortion, it isn't hard to get an abortion. I guess if you can't afford the couple hundreds of dollars that would be an issue. But I don't think that is as common as it is being referred to on this thread.
Are we talking about in south/mid west states where they are more quiet about sex education?
Actually, some private insurance DOES cover abortions. Google it. I actually searched it under my plan and my insurance covers it. Obviously, co insurance has to be paid but it falls as a acceptable procedure that is covered under insurance.
I think people need to be more responsible. Schools need to teach sex ed and explain all the forms of birth control available from condoms to morning after pill.
We are spoiled in NY as we have access to these clinics all over. I see them in Farmingdale, Smithtown, all over the city, etc.
I know because a Google search is golden and that’s where all facts should be derived from. In any event that’s interesting, all my private insurance plans I had covered through work did not cover abortion. I really didn’t know there were some insurances that covered abortion.
My insurance covers 1 abortion per calendar year. We purchase through the exchange.
Actually just got my new book yesterday. I love how its on the same page they tell you they won’t cover much in the way of fertility treatment. (I know. 2 totally diff things but still gut wrenching to so many)
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