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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
What I do not support is the tearing down of a historical building... or at least that is what I was told was happening to the former space.
I think we should absolutely be saving every piece of history and architecture in our city.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
I don't think they should build a mosque or anything like that. People are going to be very sensitive about something like that and I disagree with them building it there - they should just have a memorial there and don't bring any religion into it at all...
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
Posted by headoverheels
Please correct me if I am wrong, but are people simply protesting the opening of a mosque at the WTC site because of the religion, or is there another reason? As far as I am aware it was Islamic extremists, not "normal" people who practice Islam, who boarded the 4 planes and attacked the WTC and Pentagon and tried to hit the White House.
I apologize if I sound ignorant but I am trying to understand.
I don't think you sound ignorant....i think you sound reasonable!
This country was founded because of a need for religious freedom...but people seem to forget that. I think it's sad that people are protesting the Mosque.
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| Posted 6/7/10 10:59 PM |
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
Posted by Pray4Baby2010
I have to disagree with the ignorance comment- I know for myself, it is a sensitivity thing- I thought about how I would feel if I had lost someone and I had to pass this 13 story mosque when I went down there to pay my respects- and sorry it just didnt sound like the right place for me.
I would also be shocked if I was the only one that felt that way- there was quite a stir about it in the news
You know what I have to agree with you. To me I dont see building the mosque as a big deal. I studied in london and have many arabic friends and two really good best friends who are muslim, so in no way am I being ignorant.
However, this hit home to the entire tri state area and DC, that I cant even relate to what it was like to people who lost loved ones personally. So to me a knee jerk reaction to a mosque doesnt seem like ignorance.
To me ignorace can also be someone not being sensitve to people who lost loved ones and havent fully coped yet. They are too grief stricken to deal.
I read cases of women raped by black or latinos and werent able to fully trust that race afterwards. Does that make them ignorant? Or just traumatized and dramatically stereotyping everyone based on their attacker?
I just think this is can be a sensitivity issue and I can see both sides. But since i was not personally affected where I did not physically lose anyone, I choose to not call anyone ignorant and judge.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
I do not think it should be so close to the WTC site. I understand not all Muslims should be held responsible for it. But the fact is that radical Muslims are the ones that are responsible for killing thousands of lives, destroying new york's skyline forever and throwing this country into an economic downward spiral. How do we know that some of the people visiting this new Mosque are not radical themselves? If one was in place already I would not say it should be torn down. But I think to put one so close to the site is insensitive and is only going to start fights. People going to visit the area are going to pay respect. I could only imagine that walking past a Mosque on the way to the site might stir up many feelings for people and I could definitely see fights breaking out. Which means the city is going to have to keep police in the area. Personally I feel as if the police have much better things to do.
As far as where the cut off should be, I cannot answer that as I do not know the area well enough. I have read that the proposed mosque is 2 blocks away, not 3 blocks as some other posters said. And that many of the victims families find it insensitive because their loved ones remains were scattered for blocks near the WTC. People view the area as a burial ground because for some of these people there was no body recovered. The area is considered sacred to them because their loved ones bodies perished and burned. They do not have a "body" to go to to remember when they feel the need to. To build a Mosque on what relatives view as a burial ground is wrong IMO.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
I am having a hard time understanding why people are protesting it as well. It's two or three blocks from Ground Zero in the old Burlington Coat Factory building. It's been vacant for awhile now and the area could some development. It does not bother me that it happenes to be a mosque. To me, it's the same as if they were building a church or a temple or some other sort of religious institution.
When I heard about the protests the other day on 1010, I wondered where all of their outrage was when there were vendors scattered all over lower Manhattan, well within a two block radius of Ground Zero, selling photos, keychains and other "memorabilia" for profit shortly after 9/11. 
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
Posted by Kierasmom
I do not think it should be so close to the WTC site. I understand not all Muslims should be held responsible for it. But the fact is that radical Muslims are the ones that are responsible for killing thousands of lives, destroying new york's skyline forever and throwing this country into an economic downward spiral. How do we know that some of the people visiting this new Mosque are not radical themselves? If one was in place already I would not say it should be torn down. But I think to put one so close to the site is insensitive and is only going to start fights. People going to visit the area are going to pay respect. I could only imagine that walking past a Mosque on the way to the site might stir up many feelings for people and I could definitely see fights breaking out. Which means the city is going to have to keep police in the area. Personally I feel as if the police have much better things to do.
As far as where the cut off should be, I cannot answer that as I do not know the area well enough. I have read that the proposed mosque is 2 blocks away, not 3 blocks as some other posters said. And that many of the victims families find it insensitive because their loved ones remains were scattered for blocks near the WTC. People view the area as a burial ground because for some of these people there was no body recovered. The area is considered sacred to them because their loved ones bodies perished and burned. They do not have a "body" to go to to remember when they feel the need to. To build a Mosque on what relatives view as a burial ground is wrong IMO.
ITA - Well written.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
Posted by Kierasmom
But the fact is that radical Muslims are the ones that are responsible for killing thousands of lives, destroying new york's skyline forever and throwing this country into an economic downward spiral.
I'm just curious about your remarks regarding the economy. I'm not an economist by any stretch - but wasn't aware of a US economic crisis that was caused by 9/11. Obviously it affected NYers (unemployment was up, companies & people leaving NY, etc).
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| Posted 6/8/10 6:36 AM |
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
I thought the religion of the US was capitalism 
If they have the money - they can build it.
but in all seriousness, there are 1.5 BILLION Muslims in the world. Let's say there are 100,000 in al qaeda (this might be extremely inflated as the only number I could find was 18000)
that's less than one one-HUNDRETH of one percent.
I don't think that lower Manhattan is going to become another Mecca and if it does - that's a lot more tourism dollars (it always comes back to money)
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| Posted 6/8/10 6:46 AM |
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
Posted by nrthshgrl
Posted by Kierasmom
But the fact is that radical Muslims are the ones that are responsible for killing thousands of lives, destroying new york's skyline forever and throwing this country into an economic downward spiral.
I'm just curious about your remarks regarding the economy. I'm not an economist by any stretch - but wasn't aware of a US economic crisis that was caused by 9/11. Obviously it affected NYers (unemployment was up, companies & people leaving NY, etc).
I feel that since 9/11 this country went into an economic downward spiral. 9/11 triggered a lot of the economic problems we are having today. When NYC gets affected it affects many parts of this country. And although it definitely hit New York the most, it is my belief that this started a domino effect for the rest of the country.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
Posted by OStewarts
When I heard about the protests the other day on 1010, I wondered where all of their outrage was when there were vendors scattered all over lower Manhattan, well within a two block radius of Ground Zero, selling photos, keychains and other "memorabilia" for profit shortly after 9/11.
THANK YOU!!!!
I truly find THIS more offensive than anything else. It has become such a tourist trap 99% of the year
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
I am someone who is always very sensitive to any percieved racisim or intolerance. I do not find comedy related to race or religion the least bit funny, for example. I just do not like anything like that.
With THAT said, I can see people who oppose the Mosque's pov.
It is all about perception. *I* understand that it was extremists who attacked us. *I* know and work with lovely Muslim people. *I* do not lump all Muslim people into Alqueda.
That said, some people honestly BELIEVE that those who bombed us will be praying in this Mosque.
The media, in part, is to blame for this. MANY media oulets feed into the fear and ignorance that creates this blanket view of Muslim's.
From THAT perspective I CAN see why people would be opposed to a Mosque being built there.
They honestly BELIEVE and were lead to believe by the media, news etc. that the majority of Muslim people are out to get us.
This is just my POV on the subject.
I do not personally oppose the building of this Mosque, but I also do not think people who DO oopose it are coming from a place of bigotry but rather fear and anger.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
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Posted by Kierasmom
But the fact is that radical Muslims are the ones that are responsible for killing thousands of lives, destroying new york's skyline forever and throwing this country into an economic downward spiral.
I'm just curious about your remarks regarding the economy. I'm not an economist by any stretch - but wasn't aware of a US economic crisis that was caused by 9/11. Obviously it affected NYers (unemployment was up, companies & people leaving NY, etc).
Wars cost Billions.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
Posted by DiamondGirl
I do not personally oppose the building of this Mosque, but I also do not think people who DO oopose it are coming from a place of bigotry but rather fear and anger.
The thing is, though, fear and anger is what breeds bigotry and intolerance, and allowing people to stop the building or opening of a mosque is not going to make the fear or anger go away, but it surely WILL allow that bigotry and ignorance to succeed and grow stronger.
My opinion is that this anger and fear is completely misdirected, why "punish" the Muslims who want to worship in that area because of what a few extremists did?
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Posted by OStewarts
When I heard about the protests the other day on 1010, I wondered where all of their outrage was when there were vendors scattered all over lower Manhattan, well within a two block radius of Ground Zero, selling photos, keychains and other "memorabilia" for profit shortly after 9/11.
Now THIS, to me, is offensive. And how anyone can buy a keychain commemorating 9/11 is beyond me.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
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Posted by DiamondGirl
I do not personally oppose the building of this Mosque, but I also do not think people who DO oopose it are coming from a place of bigotry but rather fear and anger.
The thing is, though, fear and anger is what breeds bigotry and intolerance, and allowing people to stop the building or opening of a mosque is not going to make the fear or anger go away, but it surely WILL allow that bigotry and ignorance to succeed and grow stronger.
My opinion is that this anger and fear is completely misdirected, why "punish" the Muslims who want to worship in that area because of what a few extremists did?
I DO NOT THINK they should ban the Mosque bc I agree with what you said.
But I can see WHY people oppose it.
I can see the place it comes from.
I have friends, otherwise openminded, tolerant people who oppose the mosque.
They lost loved ones on 9/11 they want to blame someone--that someone is Muslims--although it should just be extremists--it extends to Muslims.
Why? anger makes people irrational, makes people generalize.
Why? perhaps bc they do not have Muslim friends so there is no face to their anger or blame.
I am just saying I recognize why and where people who oppose it are coming from.
It does not make them bad people.
The media created this hate.
You can say "well they should know that the media does this or they should learn and educate themselves and not believe what they hear"
but IMO when it hits so close to home our rational mind does not work properly.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
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Posted by DiamondGirl
I do not personally oppose the building of this Mosque, but I also do not think people who DO oopose it are coming from a place of bigotry but rather fear and anger.
The thing is, though, fear and anger is what breeds bigotry and intolerance, and allowing people to stop the building or opening of a mosque is not going to make the fear or anger go away, but it surely WILL allow that bigotry and ignorance to succeed and grow stronger.
My opinion is that this anger and fear is completely misdirected, why "punish" the Muslims who want to worship in that area because of what a few extremists did?
I completely agree with you. It also really bothers me that people who live thousands of miles away feel like they have a say in what gets built in my city. The community board, meaning the reps for people who live and work in the financial district, approved the building. If the people who live and work there are OK with it why should someone in Ohio care?
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
Posted by DiamondGirl
I do not personally oppose the building of this Mosque, but I also do not think people who DO oopose it are coming from a place of bigotry but rather fear and anger.
I agree. And I'm not speaking for all people who are opposed to it, but for those who lost loved ones on that day I wouldn't necessarily refer to them as 'ignorant' for feeling that way. They, like everyone else, are entitled to their opinion.
Also, just an fyi - there are other mosques in the area (I think something was mentioned about this).
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| Posted 6/8/10 9:47 AM |
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
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Posted by Pray4Baby2010
I have to disagree with the ignorance comment- I know for myself, it is a sensitivity thing- I thought about how I would feel if I had lost someone and I had to pass this 13 story mosque when I went down there to pay my respects- and sorry it just didnt sound like the right place for me.
I would also be shocked if I was the only one that felt that way- there was quite a stir about it in the news
You know what I have to agree with you. To me I dont see building the mosque as a big deal. I studied in london and have many arabic friends and two really good best friends who are muslim, so in no way am I being ignorant.
However, this hit home to the entire tri state area and DC, that I cant even relate to what it was like to people who lost loved ones personally. So to me a knee jerk reaction to a mosque doesnt seem like ignorance.
To me ignorace can also be someone not being sensitve to people who lost loved ones and havent fully coped yet. They are too grief stricken to deal.
I read cases of women raped by black or latinos and werent able to fully trust that race afterwards. Does that make them ignorant? Or just traumatized and dramatically stereotyping everyone based on their attacker?
I just think this is can be a sensitivity issue and I can see both sides. But since i was not personally affected where I did not physically lose anyone, I choose to not call anyone ignorant and judge.
I again feel the need to point out that I said the ORGANIZER and HER BLOG was ignorant. NOT people who personally are hurting. it's completely different.
this woman has a clear agenda. and I find it disturbing.
I lost friends in the attacks. I know two little boys who lost their mother, who was one of the most beautiful women inside and out that I'd ever have the privilege to know. My friend lost her fiance...a great guy who loved children and was a true hero (fdny).
I've seen first hand the pain this has caused. my views on this have nothing to do with being detached or unaffected. dust from the buildings was on MY kitchen table. my office was destroyed. I could continue, but this is not the point.
I did not lose my husband, father, mother, child. the pain for those people is something that will endure forever and I feel complete sympathy for them.
but the FACT remains that this building is NOT on the footprint. I do not believe (but I will verify during lunch b/c I work 3 blocks away) that it would even be visible or necessary for anyone visiting the site to walk past it.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
im retracting my statement.  since its not on the grounds, then i can understand why people don't object. the news media are making it seem like its ON ground zero. that i would have a problem with. all the headlines are reading, Mosque Built On Ground Zero. little confusing Fox!
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
Posted by LeShellem
I'm with you. It seems because the terrorist were Muslim then having a Mosque is some horrible thing. I don't get it. Are people naive enough to believe that all Muslims are terrorist. From what I have read, they actually want to make it a mulit cultural center with a mosque that would be open to everyone regardless of religion.
YEs, a multi cultural center, people don't even read that far into it...and to be honest, yes I do think people are THAT NAIVE!
One person I "was" friends with on Facebook actually wrote " why don't we blow it up on THEM".
 
I mean can anyone really really be that naive? The answer is yes...
It's fear , I get that , but cmon...
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
IT WILL NOT BE ON THE WORLD TRADE CENTER CITE. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MEMORIAL. AT ALL. IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.
just b/c there seems to be confusion on this issue.
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
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IT WILL NOT BE ON THE WORLD TRADE CENTER CITE. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MEMORIAL. AT ALL. IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.
just b/c there seems to be confusion on this issue.
AND the terrorists were of an EXTREMIST sect
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im retracting my statement. since its not on the grounds, then i can understand why people don't object. the news media are making it seem like its ON ground zero. that i would have a problem with. all the headlines are reading, Mosque Built On Ground Zero. little confusing Fox!
Fox News? Being confusing? 
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Re: Having trouble understanding this - Mosque at WTC site
Bahhh foxnews is bs
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